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    Haye v Valuev

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    Cee_MoNeY
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    Posted: Nov. 7, 2009 - 4:46 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by TennisCapper:



    Coin toss scenario means 50/50 or

    Haye -105
    Valuev -105

    If it was really 50/50 to your eyes how come you didn't pound Valuev at +180?


    but if its fifty fifty your still getting +180.....close to 2 to1 on the dollar????

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by TennisCapper:



    Coin toss scenario means 50/50 or

    Haye -105
    Valuev -105

    If it was really 50/50 to your eyes how come you didn't pound Valuev at +180?


    but if its fifty fifty your still getting +180.....close to 2 to1 on the dollar????

     

     
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    Posted: Nov. 7, 2009 - 4:49 PM ET #27

    Why is it that every time someone asks you a question you just flip out and start offending people? This is why you are a clown to my eyes.

    All I said was that if you are the covers machine you must be good in creating odds, and if you create one side at -105 and that same side you can buy it at +180 it should deserve a bet.
    What is so bad about this statement that makes me pathetic?

    +180 means 35% chances
    -105 means 50% chances

    therefore

    not betting the +180 means that you are renouncing at 15 net wins over a 100 matches scenario. Silly if you ask me.

    You can't say this fight is a fight to not get involved with, then you say it is a coin toss but you don't bet the side that is offered at 35% chances


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    Why is it that every time someone asks you a question you just flip out and start offending people? This is why you are a clown to my eyes.

    All I said was that if you are the covers machine you must be good in creating odds, and if you create one side at -105 and that same side you can buy it at +180 it should deserve a bet.
    What is so bad about this statement that makes me pathetic?

    +180 means 35% chances
    -105 means 50% chances

    therefore

    not betting the +180 means that you are renouncing at 15 net wins over a 100 matches scenario. Silly if you ask me.

    You can't say this fight is a fight to not get involved with, then you say it is a coin toss but you don't bet the side that is offered at 35% chances


     
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    Posted: Nov. 7, 2009 - 4:53 PM ET #28

    would i like to have gotten the 180! course I would. To be honest I havent invested much in this. When I see line moves like this I like to get involved with the gamble. I didnt take the 180 because I aint convinced and still not. Cappers I seriously respect are on Valuev. Combined with the insane gamble I took +110. My writeup still stands and I still think this is a mess
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    would i like to have gotten the 180! course I would. To be honest I havent invested much in this. When I see line moves like this I like to get involved with the gamble. I didnt take the 180 because I aint convinced and still not. Cappers I seriously respect are on Valuev. Combined with the insane gamble I took +110. My writeup still stands and I still think this is a mess
     
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    Posted: Nov. 7, 2009 - 4:53 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by TennisCapper:

    Why is it that every time someone asks you a question you just flip out and start offending people? This is why you are a clown to my eyes.

    All I said was that if you are the covers machine you must be good in creating odds, and if you create one side at -105 and that same side you can buy it at +180 it should deserve a bet.
    What is so bad about this statement that makes me pathetic?

    +180 means 35% chances
    -105 means 50% chances

    therefore

    not betting the +180 means that you are renouncing at 15 net wins over a 100 matches scenario. Silly if you ask me.

    You can't say this fight is a fight to not get involved with, then you say it is a coin toss but you don't bet the side that is offered at 35% chances


    serious question....how did u get 35% i got 44%....i know i did something wrong though

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    Quote Originally Posted by TennisCapper:

    Why is it that every time someone asks you a question you just flip out and start offending people? This is why you are a clown to my eyes.

    All I said was that if you are the covers machine you must be good in creating odds, and if you create one side at -105 and that same side you can buy it at +180 it should deserve a bet.
    What is so bad about this statement that makes me pathetic?

    +180 means 35% chances
    -105 means 50% chances

    therefore

    not betting the +180 means that you are renouncing at 15 net wins over a 100 matches scenario. Silly if you ask me.

    You can't say this fight is a fight to not get involved with, then you say it is a coin toss but you don't bet the side that is offered at 35% chances


    serious question....how did u get 35% i got 44%....i know i did something wrong though

     
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    Posted: Nov. 7, 2009 - 4:56 PM ET #30

    Cee_Money

    44% is actually +125




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    Cee_Money

    44% is actually +125




     
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    Posted: Nov. 7, 2009 - 4:59 PM ET #31

    it really isnt a mess....honestly that line was way to fucking high...it opened at -300 haye.....but this fight is almost like ruiz and jones.....if ruiz could hit jones he could have a chance and if valuev can land more then just one punch combos game over but do u really think he is gonna be able to....i dont........

    champs deserved a little more credit...he is fighting at home where he already has robbed once before...and haye's chin is suspect and he is fighting a guy that weighs 100 lbs over him......however beside a decent sneaky jab valeuv would get murdered by any klitzcho....

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    it really isnt a mess....honestly that line was way to fucking high...it opened at -300 haye.....but this fight is almost like ruiz and jones.....if ruiz could hit jones he could have a chance and if valuev can land more then just one punch combos game over but do u really think he is gonna be able to....i dont........

    champs deserved a little more credit...he is fighting at home where he already has robbed once before...and haye's chin is suspect and he is fighting a guy that weighs 100 lbs over him......however beside a decent sneaky jab valeuv would get murdered by any klitzcho....

     
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    Posted: Nov. 7, 2009 - 4:59 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by TennisCapper:

    Cee_Money

    44% is actually +125




    thats what i thought

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    Quote Originally Posted by TennisCapper:

    Cee_Money

    44% is actually +125




    thats what i thought

     
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    Posted: Nov. 7, 2009 - 5:00 PM ET #33

    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    would i like to have gotten the 180! course I would. To be honest I havent invested much in this. When I see line moves like this I like to get involved with the gamble. I didnt take the 180 because I aint convinced and still not. Cappers I seriously respect are on Valuev. Combined with the insane gamble I took +110. My writeup still stands and I still think this is a mess


    That is related to what I said.
    All I said is that of you cap a fight at a coin toss and you consider yourself good in creating odds and one side is offered at +180 you should be all over that price regardless of how messy a fight can be. I consider myself very good at creating odds for Tennis matches and if I cap a match at 50/50 I will be either side that is offered at +125 or more, let alone +180. I'd be all over that one.

    Anyway, don't flip out if someone asks you a question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:

    would i like to have gotten the 180! course I would. To be honest I havent invested much in this. When I see line moves like this I like to get involved with the gamble. I didnt take the 180 because I aint convinced and still not. Cappers I seriously respect are on Valuev. Combined with the insane gamble I took +110. My writeup still stands and I still think this is a mess


    That is related to what I said.
    All I said is that of you cap a fight at a coin toss and you consider yourself good in creating odds and one side is offered at +180 you should be all over that price regardless of how messy a fight can be. I consider myself very good at creating odds for Tennis matches and if I cap a match at 50/50 I will be either side that is offered at +125 or more, let alone +180. I'd be all over that one.

    Anyway, don't flip out if someone asks you a question.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 7, 2009 - 5:08 PM ET #34

    sorry I thought you were having ANOTHER go at me
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    sorry I thought you were having ANOTHER go at me
     
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    Posted: Nov. 7, 2009 - 5:19 PM ET #35

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    Posted: Nov. 7, 2009 - 11:56 PM ET #36

    Fucked the parley on the big galoot, I still think he won though. Surprised to see a score like that in Germany. King is such a non factor these days.

    Made it up on Fedor for 2 and another 2 on Dawson.
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    Fucked the parley on the big galoot, I still think he won though. Surprised to see a score like that in Germany. King is such a non factor these days.

    Made it up on Fedor for 2 and another 2 on Dawson.
     
     
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    Posted: Nov. 8, 2009 - 11:51 PM ET #37

    This fight was very, very fishy. Haye seemed to know that he was winning without getting much done at all.
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    This fight was very, very fishy. Haye seemed to know that he was winning without getting much done at all.
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