i dunno why but i seem to stay civil in this boxing forum...i get too bent out of shape in the other ones...i need always win and bigeii to follow me around to the other threads
anyway back to this fight...i saw the odds today and it was -130 for vernon... didnt see a round prop but wasnt really looking so maybe i missed it
i just cant get past the idea that i think baldomir is just a crap fighter that got lucky he fought a guy that took a night off and a guy that you cant miss with punches and he got 2 big wins
vernon isnt the vernon of old but i still think he is better than baldomir
i dunno why but i seem to stay civil in this boxing forum...i get too bent out of shape in the other ones...i need always win and bigeii to follow me around to the other threads
anyway back to this fight...i saw the odds today and it was -130 for vernon... didnt see a round prop but wasnt really looking so maybe i missed it
i just cant get past the idea that i think baldomir is just a crap fighter that got lucky he fought a guy that took a night off and a guy that you cant miss with punches and he got 2 big wins
vernon isnt the vernon of old but i still think he is better than baldomir
Forrest Quartey was very close and could have gone a different way. I had Forrest, Boxeo had Quartey and Boxeo thought it was a robbery. It was close, but...
This is a completely different matchup. There was a time Quartey was considered one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world (see 2/98 Ring magazine, in which I was published). Baldomir never even came close to that type of credibility.
Oh... please don’t bring back those painful memories of the Forrest/Quartey fight!
Quote Originally Posted by alwayswin:
Forrest Quartey was very close and could have gone a different way. I had Forrest, Boxeo had Quartey and Boxeo thought it was a robbery. It was close, but...
This is a completely different matchup. There was a time Quartey was considered one of the best pound for pound fighters in the world (see 2/98 Ring magazine, in which I was published). Baldomir never even came close to that type of credibility.
Oh... please don’t bring back those painful memories of the Forrest/Quartey fight!
Maybe some of you think im a novice or something, but im not, i ve made so much money analyzing bymyself, i made $$$ with Paul Williams,made $$$ betting Cotto OVER 9.5 rounds,and won with Hopkins good money too.I have the tickets in case of proof if you want.
The value is with Baldomir here.Vernon Forest can win some rounds in the beginning of the fight, but i really think he cant box for 12 full rounds, and i see Baldomir very motivated in this fight. Anyway ill post some of my winnings, to prove im for real
Straight Wager
07/21/07 22:17 ET
500.00/232.56 (paid 732.56)
Result: Wager Won
Featherweight Fight - Las Vegas NV
Jorge Linares 1 Oscar Larios 0
07/21/07 (22:30 ET) Jorge Linares -215
i liked linares here
Future Wager
07/20/07 23:49 ET
200.00/280.00 (paid 480.00)
Result: Wager Won
Hopkins vs Wright - Final Result
Hopkins by Decision Win
07/21/07 (23:15 ET) 7-5
Future Wager
07/13/07 14:48 ET
200.00/600.00 (paid 800.00)
Result: Wager Won
Margarito vs Williams - Final Result
Williams by Decision Win
07/14/07 (22:00 ET) 3-1
i knew the Williams- Margarito fight was over easily
Straight Wager
06/27/07 07:33 ET
377.75/290.58 (paid 668.33)
Result: Wager Won
Margarito vs Williams - Welterweight Fight - Round Prop
Round Prop 12 Round Prop 0
07/14/07 (22:45 ET) Over 10.5 (-130
So , you can see im not a novice.I analyze every fight.
Maybe some of you think im a novice or something, but im not, i ve made so much money analyzing bymyself, i made $$$ with Paul Williams,made $$$ betting Cotto OVER 9.5 rounds,and won with Hopkins good money too.I have the tickets in case of proof if you want.
The value is with Baldomir here.Vernon Forest can win some rounds in the beginning of the fight, but i really think he cant box for 12 full rounds, and i see Baldomir very motivated in this fight. Anyway ill post some of my winnings, to prove im for real
Straight Wager
07/21/07 22:17 ET
500.00/232.56 (paid 732.56)
Result: Wager Won
Featherweight Fight - Las Vegas NV
Jorge Linares 1 Oscar Larios 0
07/21/07 (22:30 ET) Jorge Linares -215
i liked linares here
Future Wager
07/20/07 23:49 ET
200.00/280.00 (paid 480.00)
Result: Wager Won
Hopkins vs Wright - Final Result
Hopkins by Decision Win
07/21/07 (23:15 ET) 7-5
Future Wager
07/13/07 14:48 ET
200.00/600.00 (paid 800.00)
Result: Wager Won
Margarito vs Williams - Final Result
Williams by Decision Win
07/14/07 (22:00 ET) 3-1
i knew the Williams- Margarito fight was over easily
Straight Wager
06/27/07 07:33 ET
377.75/290.58 (paid 668.33)
Result: Wager Won
Margarito vs Williams - Welterweight Fight - Round Prop
Round Prop 12 Round Prop 0
07/14/07 (22:45 ET) Over 10.5 (-130
So , you can see im not a novice.I analyze every fight.
If you've got game, you've come to the right place. Covers.com Boxing fourm is the best there is in all of Covers. Which is indeed saying something. Give it time, if game you have, cred will come your way. Welcome aboard.
As for your take..........to me VF can only win by boxing 12 rounds. But can his Shoulder/Elbow stand up to that, vs. Baldy's available, but rather hard head? & as I posted above, Baldy might just take a swipe at that Shoulder b4 this nite ends. I'm not sure on a winner, leaning more & more towards a Total, or possibly both Decision Props parlayed correctly.
GLA! bigeiii
albo:
If you've got game, you've come to the right place. Covers.com Boxing fourm is the best there is in all of Covers. Which is indeed saying something. Give it time, if game you have, cred will come your way. Welcome aboard.
As for your take..........to me VF can only win by boxing 12 rounds. But can his Shoulder/Elbow stand up to that, vs. Baldy's available, but rather hard head? & as I posted above, Baldy might just take a swipe at that Shoulder b4 this nite ends. I'm not sure on a winner, leaning more & more towards a Total, or possibly both Decision Props parlayed correctly.
Still waiting for odds here. Might have to use my local.
Albo - you get respect here by good analysis and winning, not by calling people idiots and saying people here know nothing about boxing. I think there are several people here who could report for Ring or KO if they chose that route. Stick around and you'll figure out who they are.
Still waiting for odds here. Might have to use my local.
Albo - you get respect here by good analysis and winning, not by calling people idiots and saying people here know nothing about boxing. I think there are several people here who could report for Ring or KO if they chose that route. Stick around and you'll figure out who they are.
Wow, I couldn't believe it when I pulled up this thread and saw so many responses. A lot of covers love for two over the hill guys. I played Forrest on the one of the early numbers put out at 5dimes and I get the feeling that he wins a 116-112ish decision.
I know that some you are over at Matchbook now, but 5dimes is the place to be for early odds on fights. Yes they have a low maximums for you high rollers (Alwayswin), but you can't beat some of the numbers that they hang before anyone else. I thought I was dreaming when I saw Forrest at +250 and was smiling from ear to ear when I got +220.
As long as Forrest's shoulder holds up I think he should be able to control the distance against Baldomir with his jab and outclass him over the distance. Definitely won't be an early night here. Both guys are a weight class above their optimal weight and Baldo's head is like an anvil.
One thing is for sure; this is not the type of fight that should be featured on Boxing After Dark; a series that is trying to get back to it's roots of putting on exciting fights with younger fighters. My favorite web writer Steve Kim actually wrote a good piece on this earlier in the week and made a list of fights he would like to see featured on BAD in the future. Good read if your interested. https://www.maxboxing.com/KIM/KIM072307.asp
Wow, I couldn't believe it when I pulled up this thread and saw so many responses. A lot of covers love for two over the hill guys. I played Forrest on the one of the early numbers put out at 5dimes and I get the feeling that he wins a 116-112ish decision.
I know that some you are over at Matchbook now, but 5dimes is the place to be for early odds on fights. Yes they have a low maximums for you high rollers (Alwayswin), but you can't beat some of the numbers that they hang before anyone else. I thought I was dreaming when I saw Forrest at +250 and was smiling from ear to ear when I got +220.
As long as Forrest's shoulder holds up I think he should be able to control the distance against Baldomir with his jab and outclass him over the distance. Definitely won't be an early night here. Both guys are a weight class above their optimal weight and Baldo's head is like an anvil.
One thing is for sure; this is not the type of fight that should be featured on Boxing After Dark; a series that is trying to get back to it's roots of putting on exciting fights with younger fighters. My favorite web writer Steve Kim actually wrote a good piece on this earlier in the week and made a list of fights he would like to see featured on BAD in the future. Good read if your interested. https://www.maxboxing.com/KIM/KIM072307.asp
I got the same feeling about the fight FB, I just think that Baldy got a little too much love for beating Gatti, and I think that Forrest will be able to control the fight and dictate whatever pace he sees fit.
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I got the same feeling about the fight FB, I just think that Baldy got a little too much love for beating Gatti, and I think that Forrest will be able to control the fight and dictate whatever pace he sees fit.
I got the same feeling about the fight FB, I just think that Baldy got a little too much love for beating Gatti, and I think that Forrest will be able to control the fight and dictate whatever pace he sees fit.
Like your image, it's hillarious. I take it you are a Clemson fan like myself.
Quote Originally Posted by G8RB8:
I got the same feeling about the fight FB, I just think that Baldy got a little too much love for beating Gatti, and I think that Forrest will be able to control the fight and dictate whatever pace he sees fit.
Like your image, it's hillarious. I take it you are a Clemson fan like myself.
Like your image, it's hillarious. I take it you are a Clemson fan like myself.
No, Gator fan, but you and I are on the same page. They think they own us since they beat us once over the last 64 years and have Spurrier. Nothing better than poking fun at them, and today I was in that mood.
I'll be attending the Clemson/BC and Clemson/FSU game this year, and we party at the Esso since we know the owner. . . If you're going to be attending as well, look me up
Bagel Sandwiches Suck
Quote Originally Posted by Fullbrights:
Like your image, it's hillarious. I take it you are a Clemson fan like myself.
No, Gator fan, but you and I are on the same page. They think they own us since they beat us once over the last 64 years and have Spurrier. Nothing better than poking fun at them, and today I was in that mood.
I'll be attending the Clemson/BC and Clemson/FSU game this year, and we party at the Esso since we know the owner. . . If you're going to be attending as well, look me up
No, Gator fan, but you and I are on the same page. They think they own us since they beat us once over the last 64 years and have Spurrier. Nothing better than poking fun at them, and today I was in that mood.
I'll be attending the Clemson/BC and Clemson/FSU game this year, and we party at the Esso since we know the owner. . . If you're going to be attending as well, look me up
As a Gator fan you are on top of the world. You have experienced a run of championships that is once in a lifetime.
Yeah, I will definitely be at the FSU game, don't know about BC though. I am also headed to the VT game and the wife and I will probably head over to Atlanta for the GT game, that is the one road game that I never miss. Great stadium to watch a game in, especially at night.
Should be interesting to see how the QB situation plays out over the first couple of weeks.
Quote Originally Posted by G8RB8:
No, Gator fan, but you and I are on the same page. They think they own us since they beat us once over the last 64 years and have Spurrier. Nothing better than poking fun at them, and today I was in that mood.
I'll be attending the Clemson/BC and Clemson/FSU game this year, and we party at the Esso since we know the owner. . . If you're going to be attending as well, look me up
As a Gator fan you are on top of the world. You have experienced a run of championships that is once in a lifetime.
Yeah, I will definitely be at the FSU game, don't know about BC though. I am also headed to the VT game and the wife and I will probably head over to Atlanta for the GT game, that is the one road game that I never miss. Great stadium to watch a game in, especially at night.
Should be interesting to see how the QB situation plays out over the first couple of weeks.
Gator and Fullbrights, what have you seen on the over, and are you playing it? This seems like a great fight to wheel for my shitty small limit book (Forrest, Forrest by decision, over).
Gator and Fullbrights, what have you seen on the over, and are you playing it? This seems like a great fight to wheel for my shitty small limit book (Forrest, Forrest by decision, over).
I agree the fight will go over, the smart thing we can do is place a 100 bet on forrest by dec and baldy by decision, and thats it . Forrest is -170 now at 5dimes. Sorry to be so rude Alwayswin, you were right.
I agree the fight will go over, the smart thing we can do is place a 100 bet on forrest by dec and baldy by decision, and thats it . Forrest is -170 now at 5dimes. Sorry to be so rude Alwayswin, you were right.
Gator and Fullbrights, what have you seen on the over, and are you playing it? This seems like a great fight to wheel for my shitty small limit book (Forrest, Forrest by decision, over).
I haven't seen an under/over line posted anywhere yet.
Quote Originally Posted by alwayswin:
Gator and Fullbrights, what have you seen on the over, and are you playing it? This seems like a great fight to wheel for my shitty small limit book (Forrest, Forrest by decision, over).
I haven't seen an under/over line posted anywhere yet.
Do you think that they will have method of finish props for this fight [ie. Forrest by decision] or do you think it is too obscure of an event?
I do not live in Vegas, but my experience has been with these types of fights you are lucky if you get a total let alone outcome props, in Reno or Vegas.
Do you think that they will have method of finish props for this fight [ie. Forrest by decision] or do you think it is too obscure of an event?
I do not live in Vegas, but my experience has been with these types of fights you are lucky if you get a total let alone outcome props, in Reno or Vegas.
Personally I think Forrest is done..I felt that he lost to Quartey but was awarded the decision. Baldomir was never a world class fighter but he was always tough. I'm probably going to stay away from this fight but knowing me I might just throw in a Baldomir by decision and see how it goes. He is tough and durable and if hes able to pressure FOrrest like the way mayorga pressured him. He can easily win a decision. Forrest hasnt been the same since his 1st lost to mayorga. His 2nd fight vs mayorga he fought scared. so maybe Baldy can get into his head although he does not have the power that mayorga has.
Baldy by decision for fun
Personally I think Forrest is done..I felt that he lost to Quartey but was awarded the decision. Baldomir was never a world class fighter but he was always tough. I'm probably going to stay away from this fight but knowing me I might just throw in a Baldomir by decision and see how it goes. He is tough and durable and if hes able to pressure FOrrest like the way mayorga pressured him. He can easily win a decision. Forrest hasnt been the same since his 1st lost to mayorga. His 2nd fight vs mayorga he fought scared. so maybe Baldy can get into his head although he does not have the power that mayorga has.
Thanks for the all the up-to-date information gentlemen. I usually stay away from the city [strip], but will do some rounds perhaps tomorrow to see what some books are offering. One would probably have to parlay the winner and over/under to create one's own prop [ex. Forrest to win -135 + OVER -175].
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Thanks for the all the up-to-date information gentlemen. I usually stay away from the city [strip], but will do some rounds perhaps tomorrow to see what some books are offering. One would probably have to parlay the winner and over/under to create one's own prop [ex. Forrest to win -135 + OVER -175].
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