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#26
nutty rich doesnt want to lose his covers posting priviledgesFinal take on Froch/Taylor
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#27
ok man if your not willing to stick to your end of the bargin not much I can do. I was willing to leave cause a bets a bet and I wasn't aware we cancelled it?, but there goes. It was your idea not mine mate. Anyway, I thought Froch was better then this BUT you have to give the guy credit going to the States and taking on a marquee name. To me Froch looked very nervous before the fight and you could almost see the confidence drain from him. He gambled BIG tonight taking this fight in the States. Taylor got off to the quick start I Expected but Froch looked outclassed to me and I was very disappointed in him. Then after 6 he seemed to relax a bit and slowly but surely wore Taylor down. If Froch has any sense he avoids Kessler/Pavlik for awhile. Lucian Bute or Inkin are fights he should take and unite some of the belts..The guy has heart and I think he won a lot of fans in the US tonight..
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#34
Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:
I think if you make a bet you should honor it. I was going too. It wasn't even my idea, I just took the challenge.
QUOTE Originally Posted by Mack05:
sorry Danno your right. I guess its me being relieved..But your right, you guys were very unlucky tonight
Froch is the bet of the year. Its clowns like EricLinny who gives bookies their money and then the bookies give it back to me. Froch to win by 3-4 rounds pulling away..he is the the real deal, trust me. I have never in my life seen a more overrated fighter then Taylor. He was badly beaten by Kelly Pavlik who was shown for what he was against B-HOP. Froch hasn't beaten anyone but he will. Only Kessler is better then Froch in this division. Mark my words, Froch wins..
No way this goes Under. This is points all the way baby
I give you no fuckin credit.....Your anyalisis was totally wrong....I just ran home and watched this fight....Taylor gassed and blew it....Froch was getting hit by the harder punches till the last 2 rounds........If you would of told me taylor would beat himself and frochs determination would be the winner then I would tell nutty rich and eric linny to fuck off this shit but in all reality this fight was bullshit and taylor like mr lattimore fucked it themselves.......
By the way i broke close to even this week so it is not even bout that.........Yes I had a $3000 swing because of those two guys and both blowing it in the final round but to call someone out like that and be wrong then showing back trying to give everyone a I told u so and lookin for complements....
Go play in the street
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#35
Quote Originally Posted by Cee_MoNeY:
I give you no fuckin credit.....Your anyalisis was totally wrong....I just ran home and watched this fight....Taylor gassed and blew it....Froch was getting hit by the harder punches till the last 2 rounds........If you would of told me taylor would beat himself and frochs determination would be the winner then I would tell nutty rich and eric linny to fuck off this shit but in all reality this fight was bullshit and taylor like mr lattimore fucked it themselves.......
By the way i broke close to even this week so it is not even bout that.........Yes I had a $3000 swing because of those two guys and both blowing it in the final round but to call someone out like that and be wrong then showing back trying to give everyone a I told u so and lookin for complements....
Go play in the street
ur a idiot
it was obvious froch would get to jermaine in the later rounds and thats how i had it also as i had froch by ko between rounds 10-12 for +1080.Its called the heart of a champion bro!
Posted:
#38
Hang on CEE MOney...After I thought about it here was my last analysis! so screw you. Yes I thought Froch would be better but my below full anaysis is quite good. Jackass..
This one has the potential to sizzle early and it's clear Froch isn't resting on his laurels after winning the belt in sensational fashion against Jean Pascal last December.
'The Cobra' probably could have held out for a far less taxing assignment in his native Nottingham for a first defence but all credit to him for crossing the pond and taking on one Jermain Taylor in America.
Taylor, of course, holds two wins over Bernard Hopkins and while losses to Kelly Pavlik took the shine off the former undisputed middleweight kingpin somewhat he showed in comprehensively outboxing Jeff Lacy last time out that there is some left in the tank.
I admit at his very best Taylor is an athletic, aggressive box-fighter with power in both hands. He is not noted as a puncher but a KO ratio approaching 60 per cent is not to sniffed at, particularly when you consider he has been boxing in world-class company for at least the last five years.
He is a body-beautiful type but unlike someone like Frank Bruno, for instance, his physique doesn't seem to hinder his movement and he has a nice, relaxed, fluid style.
Physically he has all the tools but there have been questions raised about him mentally and there is a school of thought (my opinion too) that suggests his heart is no longer in the game.
While middleweight champion he failed to dazzle against both Kassim Ouma and Cory Spinks and more than one of his former trainers levelled accusations about a lack of desire at this level.
Such accusations cannot be levelled at Froch, one of the most dedicated and driven professionals in the sport right now.
'The Cobra' lives a monastic lifestyle and is just desperate to prove himself as the best of his generation. He was genuinely gutted when domestic rival Joe Calzaghe called time on his career earlier this year but with Calzaghe out the way Froch is now determined to secure his own legacy in the pantheon of British greats.
To do this he needs to beat men such as Taylor and while the layers make him a marginal underdog in Connecticut, I fancy him STRONGLY to do the business.
Froch is a year older than Taylor at 31 but has far fewer miles on the clock and he will be the bigger man on the night (seeing the pair square up at their final press conference made me dubious about Taylor's claim to be 6ft 2in).
Taylor's only had the one fight at super-middle and while he barely put a foot wrong against Lacy one wonders whether he will have the stomach to go in the trenches with Froch.
One only has to view the tape of the Pascal fight again to re-affirm that Froch has the stomach for a war and while I am still not sold on him fighting with his hands low, he has shown a good set of whiskers so far and if he can weather Taylor's inevitable early storm I fancy him to take over this fight from around halfway.
It could be tough to watch at times given his take-two-to-land-one mentality but I fancy backers of the Froch will get their rewards when the dust settles.
Posted:
#39
Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:
ok man if your not willing to stick to your end of the bargin not much I can do. I was willing to leave cause a bets a bet and I wasn't aware we cancelled it?, but there goes. It was your idea not mine mate. Anyway, I thought Froch was better then this BUT you have to give the guy credit going to the States and taking on a marquee name. To me Froch looked very nervous before the fight and you could almost see the confidence drain from him. He gambled BIG tonight taking this fight in the States. Taylor got off to the quick start I Expected but Froch looked outclassed to me and I was very disappointed in him. Then after 6 he seemed to relax a bit and slowly but surely wore Taylor down. If Froch has any sense he avoids Kessler/Pavlik for awhile. Lucian Bute or Inkin are fights he should take and unite some of the belts..The guy has heart and I think he won a lot of fans in the US tonight..
ok man if your not willing to stick to your end of the bargin not much I can do. I was willing to leave cause a bets a bet and I wasn't aware we cancelled it?, but there goes. It was your idea not mine mate. Anyway, I thought Froch was better then this BUT you have to give the guy credit going to the States and taking on a marquee name. To me Froch looked very nervous before the fight and you could almost see the confidence drain from him. He gambled BIG tonight taking this fight in the States. Taylor got off to the quick start I Expected but Froch looked outclassed to me and I was very disappointed in him. Then after 6 he seemed to relax a bit and slowly but surely wore Taylor down. If Froch has any sense he avoids Kessler/Pavlik for awhile. Lucian Bute or Inkin are fights he should take and unite some of the belts..The guy has heart and I think he won a lot of fans in the US tonight..
I assumed when we all agreed this was a boxing forum and not more arguing that all the stupid stuff was behind all of us.
I did a write up and also gave credit to Froch for coming here and taking on a champion when he could of fought a few weaker fighters and then fight Jermaine. I always gave him credit for that.
The fight went exactly as I thought it would, Froch was outclassed because Jermaine is an amazing athlete but Froch got off the canvas (first time he was decked) and when he started listening to his corner.. who gave him AMAZING advice which was "Stop the silly wild punches this guy is making you look silly", after that Froch started to gain poise, and got better.
I believe Froch should take a few more fights before stepping up against the elite, because he needs to work on those flaws.
People must realize, Froch will not get tagged by most other fighters the way he did by Jermaine because MOST don't have Jermaine's talent and speed.
Froch adjusted and started throwing STRAIGHT punches, the same ones that Pavlik did.
Like I said in my write up these two fighters will bring out the BEST in each other.
Jermaine showed Froch blinding speed he's never seen before showed Froch NO man is immune from getting knocked down.
He showed Froch that throwing lunging punches isn't the way to go and once Carl listened to his corner about doing that he did MUCH better.
Froch brought out the best in Jermaine, and Jermaine brought out the best in Froch even if it showed a few flaws, but these flaws CAN be fixed because once he was instructed to not throw the lunging punches he did a lot better.
He started that again in one of the later rounds and his corner said you were winning the whole round then you throw a wild punch and he tags you stop doing that.
All credit to Froch he took a huge gamble and in the end his stock went up here and across the pond.
I hope he fixes those few things Jermaine showed he needed fixed.
Also what's the riff between Froch and Calzaghe? He was calling out Joe.. I hard something about Joe trash talking Froch about his lack of a resume.
Posted:
#40
Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:
Hang on CEE MOney...After I thought about it here was my last analysis! so screw you. Yes I thought Froch would be better but my below full anaysis is quite good. Jackass..
This one has the potential to sizzle early and it's clear Froch isn't resting on his laurels after winning the belt in sensational fashion against Jean Pascal last December.
'The Cobra' probably could have held out for a far less taxing assignment in his native Nottingham for a first defence but all credit to him for crossing the pond and taking on one Jermain Taylor in America.
Taylor, of course, holds two wins over Bernard Hopkins and while losses to Kelly Pavlik took the shine off the former undisputed middleweight kingpin somewhat he showed in comprehensively outboxing Jeff Lacy last time out that there is some left in the tank.
I admit at his very best Taylor is an athletic, aggressive box-fighter with power in both hands. He is not noted as a puncher but a KO ratio approaching 60 per cent is not to sniffed at, particularly when you consider he has been boxing in world-class company for at least the last five years.
He is a body-beautiful type but unlike someone like Frank Bruno, for instance, his physique doesn't seem to hinder his movement and he has a nice, relaxed, fluid style.
Physically he has all the tools but there have been questions raised about him mentally and there is a school of thought (my opinion too) that suggests his heart is no longer in the game.
While middleweight champion he failed to dazzle against both Kassim Ouma and Cory Spinks and more than one of his former trainers levelled accusations about a lack of desire at this level.
Such accusations cannot be levelled at Froch, one of the most dedicated and driven professionals in the sport right now.
'The Cobra' lives a monastic lifestyle and is just desperate to prove himself as the best of his generation. He was genuinely gutted when domestic rival Joe Calzaghe called time on his career earlier this year but with Calzaghe out the way Froch is now determined to secure his own legacy in the pantheon of British greats.
To do this he needs to beat men such as Taylor and while the layers make him a marginal underdog in Connecticut, I fancy him STRONGLY to do the business.
Froch is a year older than Taylor at 31 but has far fewer miles on the clock and he will be the bigger man on the night (seeing the pair square up at their final press conference made me dubious about Taylor's claim to be 6ft 2in).
Taylor's only had the one fight at super-middle and while he barely put a foot wrong against Lacy one wonders whether he will have the stomach to go in the trenches with Froch.
One only has to view the tape of the Pascal fight again to re-affirm that Froch has the stomach for a war and while I am still not sold on him fighting with his hands low, he has shown a good set of whiskers so far and if he can weather Taylor's inevitable early storm I fancy him to take over this fight from around halfway.
It could be tough to watch at times given his take-two-to-land-one mentality but I fancy backers of the Froch will get their rewards when the dust settles.
he won the fight cause taylor gassed himself....not because froch did brutal damage to him...No till the 11th did froch even look remotly more powerful...what fight were you watching
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#41
Quote Originally Posted by Redlad:
Nutty Rich,
Keep posting here. The phoney bet you made was obviously just a joke. You were 14 seconds away from winning your bet (even though a had it even going into the 12th). I look forward to sharing more boxing anaylsis with you in the future.
Well it wasn't a phony bet I got caught up in other people's arguements, then once I realized it was dumb we share opinions here and we all have something to offer.
Mack did a good write up and I told him so and he agreed no more of this going back and forth with others and if he does write ups people will respect him.
I only offered the wager to stop the arguing it was getting out of hand. Not so much with me but between Eric Linny and him, but it wasn't even about boxing anymore it was just insults.
Eric Linny has lots of knowledge and obviously so does Mack but ripping each other apart was silly and I think many others wanted to restore the normalcy we usually have here.
Friday everyone agreed to cool it, I assumed everything was fine and we were going to just post our thoughts.
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#42
The analysis was my pre match analysis Cee Money...
One only has to view the tape of the Pascal fight again to re-affirm that Froch has the stomach for a war and while I am still not sold on him fighting with his hands low, he has shown a good set of whiskers so far and if he can weather Taylor's inevitable early storm I fancy him to take over this fight from around halfway.
It could be tough to watch at times given his take-two-to-land-one mentality but I fancy backers of the Froch will get their rewards when the dust settles.
Taylor was gassed after 8 rounds! His flurry at the end of the 8th was the last thing he did! Yes Taylor backers were VERY unlucky and yes Froch is not as good as I thought he was but I truly believe this fight will take him on a ton. I will say one thing though. I backed JT before Pavlik in there first fight. After that I swore never to back this chump again. He doesn't have heart and no matter how talented a fighter is you money is not in safe hands if he has no heart. Nutty rich you make a good point but I thought Froch showed so much nerves tonight. He just didn't flow and just wasn't listening to his corner. He was exposed but as I said he could be a major player for awhile to come.
He should avoid Pavlik though. Don't think his style works well aginst Kelly..Take Bute or Inkin and then eventually as you said nutty go for another big name..
Posted:
#43
Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:
The analysis was my pre match analysis Cee Money...
One only has to view the tape of the Pascal fight again to re-affirm that Froch has the stomach for a war and while I am still not sold on him fighting with his hands low, he has shown a good set of whiskers so far and if he can weather Taylor's inevitable early storm I fancy him to take over this fight from around halfway.
It could be tough to watch at times given his take-two-to-land-one mentality but I fancy backers of the Froch will get their rewards when the dust settles.
Taylor was gassed after 8 rounds! His flurry at the end of the 8th was the last thing he did! Yes Taylor backers were VERY unlucky and yes Froch is not as good as I thought he was but I truly believe this fight will take him on a ton. I will say one thing though. I backed JT before Pavlik in there first fight. After that I swore never to back this chump again. He doesn't have heart and no matter how talented a fighter is you money is not in safe hands if he has no heart. Nutty rich you make a good point but I thought Froch showed so much nerves tonight. He just didn't flow and just wasn't listening to his corner. He was exposed but as I said he could be a major player for awhile to come.
He should avoid Pavlik though. Don't think his style works well aginst Kelly..Take Bute or Inkin and then eventually as you said nutty go for another big name..
this is what i like to hear....
....I am backing off now.....
Pavlik is overhyped as well....Honestly I think froch could be a step quicker then pavlik if he would calm down his swing....Taylor has always been over hyped.....Froch looked good at his weight...Pavlik moving up...I do not think that would be good for him....There is a reason he is fight Mora....After today honestly who was Pavlik beat????? I would so dump on Aruther Abraham...
Posted:
#46
Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:
The analysis was my pre match analysis Cee Money...
One only has to view the tape of the Pascal fight again to re-affirm that Froch has the stomach for a war and while I am still not sold on him fighting with his hands low, he has shown a good set of whiskers so far and if he can weather Taylor's inevitable early storm I fancy him to take over this fight from around halfway.
It could be tough to watch at times given his take-two-to-land-one mentality but I fancy backers of the Froch will get their rewards when the dust settles.
Taylor was gassed after 8 rounds! His flurry at the end of the 8th was the last thing he did! Yes Taylor backers were VERY unlucky and yes Froch is not as good as I thought he was but I truly believe this fight will take him on a ton. I will say one thing though. I backed JT before Pavlik in there first fight. After that I swore never to back this chump again. He doesn't have heart and no matter how talented a fighter is you money is not in safe hands if he has no heart. Nutty rich you make a good point but I thought Froch showed so much nerves tonight. He just didn't flow and just wasn't listening to his corner. He was exposed but as I said he could be a major player for awhile to come.
He should avoid Pavlik though. Don't think his style works well aginst Kelly..Take Bute or Inkin and then eventually as you said nutty go for another big name..
I don't think Froch was EXPOSED, Pavlik doesn't have the hand speed that Jermaine has, Jermaine if he had "full stamina for 12 rounds " would be unbeatable he is an amazing athlete but when the athlete losses his legs after a while he is no longer amazing.
Froch learned a lot from Jermaine, hold up the damn hands, stop lunging in and swinging wild.
I think Froch still went ahead too fast, now he MUST fight big names, Jermaine no matter what people say is the best pure "Athlete" in the division, just ATHLETE nothing else.
Froch I think didn't throw any body shots maybe 2-3 decents ones, you cannot head hunt.
I think he MUST face Pavlik and I think it will be a good fight as BOTH guys are hittable. Pavlik is NO BOXER like Jeramine.
I'm NOT impressed with Kelly Pavlik as "the best in the division", Froch must fight him as I think it will be a MUCH better and MUCH easier fight for FROCH because his weaknesses won't be exposed by Pavlik like Jermaine did.
Posted:
#48
Quote Originally Posted by Mack05:
ok Rich lets work together in future to bash the books :-)..How about Pacman v Hatton? I don't see how the Pacman can lose this one?
I like Pac-man, I've never been impressed with Hatton, he is too hittable, and MUST be on the inside to do anything.
Pac-man has a nice jab, even has a nice right now, and well we know about the left.
Hatton in my eyes LOST to Collazo, but was given the decision because he had a date setup with Mayweather.
We saw what Floyd did.
I don't like this line though, I would say if they have a PROP "NOT to go the distance" I would take that, not the total rounds but NOT to go the distance.
Hatton cuts very easily has tons of scar tissue, and Pacman cuts too, the mere fact Hatton needs to be on the inside and Pac-man does lunge in a bit, the heads will collide and if there is any book offering "NOT going the distance" is betting than laying.
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