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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2012 - 1:41 AM ET #1

    Especially when we now have evidence that Richardson knew Albetar well enough to go to dinner with him and give him his BCS title game jersey for display?

    This story is only deepening, and the silence from both Alabama and Albetar speaks volumes.

    What's more if you think this site has been covering this story aggressively, wait until the national media feeding frenzy commences.

    In case you're just checking in, here is the Suitgate story -- as broken by OKTC -- in chronological order:

    Our initial report on the player jerseys in the window at T-Town Menswear.

    Troubling connections between the store owner and Alabama program grow as Alabama announces it sent a cease and desist letter.

    Trent Richardson signing jerseys inside the store.

    Owner of T-Town Menswear had sideline passes for Bama games, may be a booster.

    Alabama acknowledges that current player autographs were being sold by T-Town Menswear owner.

    Julio Jones: Man of Many Suits

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    Especially when we now have evidence that Richardson knew Albetar well enough to go to dinner with him and give him his BCS title game jersey for display?

    This story is only deepening, and the silence from both Alabama and Albetar speaks volumes.

    What's more if you think this site has been covering this story aggressively, wait until the national media feeding frenzy commences.

    In case you're just checking in, here is the Suitgate story -- as broken by OKTC -- in chronological order:

    Our initial report on the player jerseys in the window at T-Town Menswear.

    Troubling connections between the store owner and Alabama program grow as Alabama announces it sent a cease and desist letter.

    Trent Richardson signing jerseys inside the store.

    Owner of T-Town Menswear had sideline passes for Bama games, may be a booster.

    Alabama acknowledges that current player autographs were being sold by T-Town Menswear owner.

    Julio Jones: Man of Many Suits

     
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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2012 - 1:43 AM ET #2

    There's nothing wrong with these men selling their autographs then. But is there something wrong with any college kid appearing in a television commercial with someone named Louie Linguini? I think so. Although, let's be fair, this Terrence Cody block sequence is Academy Award winning. Perhaps the greatest single athlete acting performance since Cody's own shirtless forty yard dash. You must watch this video here.

    But given the current environment where schools like Ohio State can lose their coach because of tattoo hook-ups, should a Tuscaloosa establishment really be advertising its store with autographed jerseys of Julio Jones, Mark Ingram, and Trent Richardson during the 2010 season? (The date stamp on the T-Town Menswear Facebook album, which you can view for the moment right here -- before it is inevitably pulled early this morning -- is November 1,2010 but the date on the camera is October 19, 2010). Julio Jones and Mark Ingram have since gone pro, although they weren't pros at the time that their autographed helmets and jerseys were inside the store windows. But two of the jerseys in the window Nico Johnson, a rising junior, and Trent Richardson, one of the top Heisman candidates in the country, are back for 2011.

    And no matter what Trent Richardson surely shouldn't be posing for photos as he signs helmets in the store.

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    There's nothing wrong with these men selling their autographs then. But is there something wrong with any college kid appearing in a television commercial with someone named Louie Linguini? I think so. Although, let's be fair, this Terrence Cody block sequence is Academy Award winning. Perhaps the greatest single athlete acting performance since Cody's own shirtless forty yard dash. You must watch this video here.

    But given the current environment where schools like Ohio State can lose their coach because of tattoo hook-ups, should a Tuscaloosa establishment really be advertising its store with autographed jerseys of Julio Jones, Mark Ingram, and Trent Richardson during the 2010 season? (The date stamp on the T-Town Menswear Facebook album, which you can view for the moment right here -- before it is inevitably pulled early this morning -- is November 1,2010 but the date on the camera is October 19, 2010). Julio Jones and Mark Ingram have since gone pro, although they weren't pros at the time that their autographed helmets and jerseys were inside the store windows. But two of the jerseys in the window Nico Johnson, a rising junior, and Trent Richardson, one of the top Heisman candidates in the country, are back for 2011.

    And no matter what Trent Richardson surely shouldn't be posing for photos as he signs helmets in the store.

     
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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2012 - 1:44 AM ET #3

    The relevant NCAA bylaw that governs this situation is found here:

    "12.5.2.1 Advertisements and Promotions After Becoming a Student-Athlete. After becoming a student-athlete, an individual shall not be eligible for participation in intercollegiate athletics if the individual: (a) Accepts any remuneration for or permits the use of his or her name or picture to advertise, recommend or promote directly the sale or use of a commercial product or service of any kind."

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    The relevant NCAA bylaw that governs this situation is found here:

    "12.5.2.1 Advertisements and Promotions After Becoming a Student-Athlete. After becoming a student-athlete, an individual shall not be eligible for participation in intercollegiate athletics if the individual: (a) Accepts any remuneration for or permits the use of his or her name or picture to advertise, recommend or promote directly the sale or use of a commercial product or service of any kind."

     
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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2012 - 1:54 AM ET #4

     Why is Trent Richardson out for a hibachi dinner with Tom Albetar, the man Alabama has confirmed has been selling autographed Alabama gear featuring Richardson? What's more, who do you think picked up the check the store owner or the student-athlete?

    Does Alabama know about this photo? Can they prove that Richardson paid for his part of the meal? And if Richardson did pay for this meal in January of 2010, isn't it just as damning? Since it would mean by the time he showed up in Albetar's store to sign autographs in September of 2010, he knew Albetar well enough to know that the jerseys were being sold.

    Basically, if you're willing to hang out in his shop on many, many days, sign many autographs while being photographed doing so, and go out to dinner with the owner either at his expense or yours, how can Alabama reasonably claim that Richardson didn't know his jerseys and other apparel were being sold? Put simply, Alabama can't.

    Furthermore, in light of Kevin Scarbinsky's report do we really believe that Richardson gave up his BCS title game jersey to a stranger and allowed him to hang it on the wall while receiving absolutely nothing in return?

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     Why is Trent Richardson out for a hibachi dinner with Tom Albetar, the man Alabama has confirmed has been selling autographed Alabama gear featuring Richardson? What's more, who do you think picked up the check the store owner or the student-athlete?

    Does Alabama know about this photo? Can they prove that Richardson paid for his part of the meal? And if Richardson did pay for this meal in January of 2010, isn't it just as damning? Since it would mean by the time he showed up in Albetar's store to sign autographs in September of 2010, he knew Albetar well enough to know that the jerseys were being sold.

    Basically, if you're willing to hang out in his shop on many, many days, sign many autographs while being photographed doing so, and go out to dinner with the owner either at his expense or yours, how can Alabama reasonably claim that Richardson didn't know his jerseys and other apparel were being sold? Put simply, Alabama can't.

    Furthermore, in light of Kevin Scarbinsky's report do we really believe that Richardson gave up his BCS title game jersey to a stranger and allowed him to hang it on the wall while receiving absolutely nothing in return?

     
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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2012 - 9:02 AM ET #5

    Why Emmert Wont touch Alabama or Saban!

    The man who steps into one of the most powerful roles in collegiate sports just happens to be an old friend of Crimson Tide football coach Nick Saban.

    Emmert formerly served as chancellor at LSU and was the responsible for hiring Saban as the Tigers' football coach in 2000. This 2004 story from the Seattle Post-Intelligencer goes into more detail of the relationship between the two men.

    Though their paths diverged in the latter half of the past decade, they remained "friends," according to Saban's description in Oct. 2008. Saban said Emmert called him in 2007 when he was deciding whether to keep Ty Willingham on as head coach.

    "I talk to him on occasion as a friend," Saban said!

     

    Must be nice to have friends who have ABSOLUTE POWER in high places!!

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    Why Emmert Wont touch Alabama or Saban!

    The man who steps into one of the most powerful roles in collegiate sports just happens to be an old friend of Crimson Tide football coach Nick Saban.

    Emmert formerly served as chancellor at LSU and was the responsible for hiring Saban as the Tigers' football coach in 2000. This 2004 story from the Seattle Post-Intelligencer goes into more detail of the relationship between the two men.

    Though their paths diverged in the latter half of the past decade, they remained "friends," according to Saban's description in Oct. 2008. Saban said Emmert called him in 2007 when he was deciding whether to keep Ty Willingham on as head coach.

    "I talk to him on occasion as a friend," Saban said!

     

    Must be nice to have friends who have ABSOLUTE POWER in high places!!

     
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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2012 - 10:00 AM ET #6

    Nobody is going to pay more for players than ALABAMA, in a conferecene where the players expect to het paid: ALABAMA IS the #1 suitor!!

    I have reliable information that

    TRENT RICHARDSON- WAS PAID $600,000

    MARK INGRAM- PAID $400,000

    JULIO JONES - PAID $500,000

    Always kept in CASH!! They bought CARS (TRENT BOUGHT 2) CLOTHES AND KEPT THE  $$$ IN A SAFE AT THE SUIT SHOP!

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    Nobody is going to pay more for players than ALABAMA, in a conferecene where the players expect to het paid: ALABAMA IS the #1 suitor!!

    I have reliable information that

    TRENT RICHARDSON- WAS PAID $600,000

    MARK INGRAM- PAID $400,000

    JULIO JONES - PAID $500,000

    Always kept in CASH!! They bought CARS (TRENT BOUGHT 2) CLOTHES AND KEPT THE  $$$ IN A SAFE AT THE SUIT SHOP!

     
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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2012 - 10:12 AM ET #7

    come on dude why do you care all college athletes get paid, if you were an athlete and someone offered you that money you would take it to... this is a betting forum take this some place else
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    come on dude why do you care all college athletes get paid, if you were an athlete and someone offered you that money you would take it to... this is a betting forum take this some place else
     
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    Why do i care that SEC players get paid?? Becasee Alabama won 2 of the last 3 championships and Nick saban and Mark Emmert are butt buddies! It is a betting forum, but discussions related to the players and programs are 50% of the threads!! 95% of my posts and threads are BETTING RELATED!!
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    Why do i care that SEC players get paid?? Becasee Alabama won 2 of the last 3 championships and Nick saban and Mark Emmert are butt buddies! It is a betting forum, but discussions related to the players and programs are 50% of the threads!! 95% of my posts and threads are BETTING RELATED!!
     
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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2012 - 11:41 AM ET #9

    I know and I respect you... But all sec players are getting paid if you think otherwise you are blins
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    I know and I respect you... But all sec players are getting paid if you think otherwise you are blins
     
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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2012 - 11:51 AM ET #10

    Give it a rest bro. Lines are out. Make some bets in 2012. Hell, bet on Michigan! Stop living in the past. You are getting way too involved in something that simply doesnt matter and you have no control of (and also that nobody here really cares because none of us are surprised).

    Not trying to be a dick, just saying....


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    Give it a rest bro. Lines are out. Make some bets in 2012. Hell, bet on Michigan! Stop living in the past. You are getting way too involved in something that simply doesnt matter and you have no control of (and also that nobody here really cares because none of us are surprised).

    Not trying to be a dick, just saying....


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    ROLL DAMN TIDE

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    ROLL DAMN TIDE

     
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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2012 - 12:25 PM ET #12

    Capper- 

    What is your source of this information? All big schools have this problem. Some get caught and some don't.
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    What is your source of this information? All big schools have this problem. Some get caught and some don't.
     
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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2012 - 12:30 PM ET #13

    These guys on here are saying they arent interested so im just going to stop talking about it!!
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    These guys on here are saying they arent interested so im just going to stop talking about it!!
     
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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2012 - 1:08 PM ET #14

    Al Betar's "BAGMAN" told me about it; he used to work at T-TOWNs menswear!

     

    https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/2011/ttown-menswear/

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    Al Betar's "BAGMAN" told me about it; he used to work at T-TOWNs menswear!

     

    https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/2011/ttown-menswear/

     
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    i'm interested in it.....just to see how schools continue to do this....there doesn't seem to be much difference from how it operates....it's either agents and their runners, boosters and their businesses....if we want to call it corruption we can but it's really not the kids/players faults.....

    it's the higher ups and outsiders pulling all the strings....college football and basketball has always been dirty......

    like the media portraying john wooden as a great coach and teacher of life lessons....yea while booster sam gilbert bought him a loaded roster of high school all americans each season....if he stayed at indiana state he would have been a nobody...instead he's a nice story cause he won with paid players at a more popular school and coached there for over 25 years....

    amazing how some people are perceived as dirty and others aren't....in the end perception is the only thing that separates barry switzer from say lloyd carr
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    i'm interested in it.....just to see how schools continue to do this....there doesn't seem to be much difference from how it operates....it's either agents and their runners, boosters and their businesses....if we want to call it corruption we can but it's really not the kids/players faults.....

    it's the higher ups and outsiders pulling all the strings....college football and basketball has always been dirty......

    like the media portraying john wooden as a great coach and teacher of life lessons....yea while booster sam gilbert bought him a loaded roster of high school all americans each season....if he stayed at indiana state he would have been a nobody...instead he's a nice story cause he won with paid players at a more popular school and coached there for over 25 years....

    amazing how some people are perceived as dirty and others aren't....in the end perception is the only thing that separates barry switzer from say lloyd carr
     
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    Something dirty goes on at every big school. The end
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    Something dirty goes on at every big school. The end
     
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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2012 - 4:43 PM ET #17

    Put yourself in these young mens shoes.You are in college broke as hell and people are often more money than you have ever scene in your life. Who wouldn't take the money? This goes on everywhere my friend.

     

    Have a good season.

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    Put yourself in these young mens shoes.You are in college broke as hell and people are often more money than you have ever scene in your life. Who wouldn't take the money? This goes on everywhere my friend.

     

    Have a good season.

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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2012 - 4:44 PM ET #18

    Im not worried about it!! Money Under the table never hurt anybody!!!!
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    Im not worried about it!! Money Under the table never hurt anybody!!!!
     
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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2012 - 4:51 PM ET #19

    When the kids hear about the $$$ at a program it becomes more of an incentive for them to go there!! The kids know where they can get paid!! They arent stupid!! And Alabama football Alumnis motto is

    WDE= WE DENY EVERYTHING!

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    When the kids hear about the $$$ at a program it becomes more of an incentive for them to go there!! The kids know where they can get paid!! They arent stupid!! And Alabama football Alumnis motto is

    WDE= WE DENY EVERYTHING!

     
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    Posted: Aug. 25, 2012 - 9:12 PM ET #20

    Dcumented proof of Questionable actions?? But why would Emmert or Alabama check up on it; they dont want to damage their cash cow!!

    https://www.sportsbybrooks.com/richardson-mom-rental-cars-2010-alabama-pad-29852

    Too long and detailed for me to post!

    https://www.sportsbybrooks.com/richardson-mom-rental-cars-2010-alabama-pad-29852

    Good Luck to Everyone Gambling this year!! I hope we dont get HOSED by online sites this year!!! Iknow most of us have had our fair share with sportssbook and poker site issues!!

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    Dcumented proof of Questionable actions?? But why would Emmert or Alabama check up on it; they dont want to damage their cash cow!!

    https://www.sportsbybrooks.com/richardson-mom-rental-cars-2010-alabama-pad-29852

    Too long and detailed for me to post!

    https://www.sportsbybrooks.com/richardson-mom-rental-cars-2010-alabama-pad-29852

    Good Luck to Everyone Gambling this year!! I hope we dont get HOSED by online sites this year!!! Iknow most of us have had our fair share with sportssbook and poker site issues!!

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2012 - 10:01 AM ET #21

    ELZ24 SAYS:

    But all sec players are getting paid if you think otherwise you are blind

    Im not blind Mark Emmert has selective sight, he wont investigate his friend Nick Saban!! Anybody else (miss st.) is ripe for the pickings!

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    ELZ24 SAYS:

    But all sec players are getting paid if you think otherwise you are blind

    Im not blind Mark Emmert has selective sight, he wont investigate his friend Nick Saban!! Anybody else (miss st.) is ripe for the pickings!

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2012 - 10:17 AM ET #22

    Espn guy posted:

    ESPN. You skip over the story of the pro sports agent who accused Saban of paying players and giving them benifits, while running with any and all other stories of toehr programs who were accused of (and not even proven that they did it) cheating in any way. You skip over any stories of injuries to any Bama player, while running wild on every other program who has any sort of injury. BUT, Bama gets a 4* recruit and you plaster it everywhere!

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    Espn guy posted:

    ESPN. You skip over the story of the pro sports agent who accused Saban of paying players and giving them benifits, while running with any and all other stories of toehr programs who were accused of (and not even proven that they did it) cheating in any way. You skip over any stories of injuries to any Bama player, while running wild on every other program who has any sort of injury. BUT, Bama gets a 4* recruit and you plaster it everywhere!

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2012 - 10:24 AM ET #23

    I posted a link to this site on ESPN, Because i was told to take this somewhere else, they banned me for 24 hours for undisclosed reasons, with that being my only post!!! a link to this site!! is posting links not allowed on ESPN site??

    heres one response i got!

    Listen, you're barking up the wrong tree little guy. This story is and has been over for months now. When are you going to learn? Those fools have nothing on the mighty Tide, no evidence, nothing. Anyway, don't you know we're far too powerful for this to affect us? Well, have fun wasting your time on future stories with no truth to them, no truth at all!

     

    I think i do Know your too powerful for this to affect you, because Mark Emmert (Makes 1million plus a year) was put on the map by Nick saban through LSU, and owes his income to the man, there isnt a NCAA committee its run by one man!!!

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    I posted a link to this site on ESPN, Because i was told to take this somewhere else, they banned me for 24 hours for undisclosed reasons, with that being my only post!!! a link to this site!! is posting links not allowed on ESPN site??

    heres one response i got!

    Listen, you're barking up the wrong tree little guy. This story is and has been over for months now. When are you going to learn? Those fools have nothing on the mighty Tide, no evidence, nothing. Anyway, don't you know we're far too powerful for this to affect us? Well, have fun wasting your time on future stories with no truth to them, no truth at all!

     

    I think i do Know your too powerful for this to affect you, because Mark Emmert (Makes 1million plus a year) was put on the map by Nick saban through LSU, and owes his income to the man, there isnt a NCAA committee its run by one man!!!

     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2012 - 4:22 PM ET #24

    Now why would so many players sign autographs for a random suit shop? How does Tom Albetar become such a popular guy amongst football players.

    Why not go to another store and sign autographs? I’m sure there is plenty of Alabama fans in Tuscaloosa that own stores that would love to have free autographs in their store? This is if there were actually free…

    Last month, Nick Saban was also accused of cheating by Pittsburgh sports agent Ralph Cindrich.

    My biggest problem with all this is why the NCAA has not started an investigation. If they are innocent why not do a search and then come out publicly and announce it.

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    Now why would so many players sign autographs for a random suit shop? How does Tom Albetar become such a popular guy amongst football players.

    Why not go to another store and sign autographs? I’m sure there is plenty of Alabama fans in Tuscaloosa that own stores that would love to have free autographs in their store? This is if there were actually free…

    Last month, Nick Saban was also accused of cheating by Pittsburgh sports agent Ralph Cindrich.

    My biggest problem with all this is why the NCAA has not started an investigation. If they are innocent why not do a search and then come out publicly and announce it.

     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 26, 2012 - 4:28 PM ET #25

    NCAAs Governing Body works Like North Koreas, not Democratic!! Dont talk about it, you cant leave, and the president has total CONTROL! And the Soldiers Alabama and Nick Saban get the Military rations, while everyone else is a PEASNANT!!! IM GLAD IM A SOLDIER!!!
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    NCAAs Governing Body works Like North Koreas, not Democratic!! Dont talk about it, you cant leave, and the president has total CONTROL! And the Soldiers Alabama and Nick Saban get the Military rations, while everyone else is a PEASNANT!!! IM GLAD IM A SOLDIER!!!
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