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    May 6 Mariners vs Rangers

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    '08 Season Record      11-10-2
    Units                          +2.21
    Average Pric e             +114
    Monday                       no play
     
    ponson vs batista today.  don't let the aruban's era fool you, he allowed 4 unearned runs in his first start of the season.  batista bounced back nicely in his last start after leaving his previous start early after facing just 10 batters.  batista went 7 solid ininngs, allowing just 4 hits and a run last week in cleveland.
     
    looking at batista last season
    after may 17:  26 games, 13-8 rec, 16-10 team rec, 3.62 era, .263 opp avg
    before may 17:  7 starts,  3-3 rec, 4-3 team rec, 6.98 era, .323 opp avg
     
    batista's last gs and his performance in 07 after the first month give me pause in jumping on the rangers at +140 today.  however, while the final score indicates the mariners bats woke up yesterday, a closer look reveals they scored 7 runs on 9 hits in the first 3 innings, then could only manage a single hit in 5 innings vs the texas bullpen.  4 of the runs came on hr's by sexson and balentien.  i think yesterday's game falls intto the category of "every team wins 54, and every team loses 54" and not the "other 54 category".   incidently, jarrod washburn almost always wins that type of game, it's the other 54 that he usually comes up just short in.
     
    m's face another righty today, and i'm not ready to pronounce the offense cured just yet.  thus, i will not be considering the mariners ML or RL at all.  the rangers pen has now put together 5 straight solid games.  that may help motivate me to back the dog, not sure yet.  the problem i'm having is . . . .can you back ponson off two starts against a professional pitcher on the road at +140.  are you getting decent value there ?  i'm leaning towards taking a wait and see approach with ponson.
     
    rangers get hamilton back in the lineup tonight, while the mariners will likely keep the starting nine the same.
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    '08 Season Record      11-10-2
    Units                          +2.21
    Average Pric e             +114
    Monday                       no play
     
    ponson vs batista today.  don't let the aruban's era fool you, he allowed 4 unearned runs in his first start of the season.  batista bounced back nicely in his last start after leaving his previous start early after facing just 10 batters.  batista went 7 solid ininngs, allowing just 4 hits and a run last week in cleveland.
     
    looking at batista last season
    after may 17:  26 games, 13-8 rec, 16-10 team rec, 3.62 era, .263 opp avg
    before may 17:  7 starts,  3-3 rec, 4-3 team rec, 6.98 era, .323 opp avg
     
    batista's last gs and his performance in 07 after the first month give me pause in jumping on the rangers at +140 today.  however, while the final score indicates the mariners bats woke up yesterday, a closer look reveals they scored 7 runs on 9 hits in the first 3 innings, then could only manage a single hit in 5 innings vs the texas bullpen.  4 of the runs came on hr's by sexson and balentien.  i think yesterday's game falls intto the category of "every team wins 54, and every team loses 54" and not the "other 54 category".   incidently, jarrod washburn almost always wins that type of game, it's the other 54 that he usually comes up just short in.
     
    m's face another righty today, and i'm not ready to pronounce the offense cured just yet.  thus, i will not be considering the mariners ML or RL at all.  the rangers pen has now put together 5 straight solid games.  that may help motivate me to back the dog, not sure yet.  the problem i'm having is . . . .can you back ponson off two starts against a professional pitcher on the road at +140.  are you getting decent value there ?  i'm leaning towards taking a wait and see approach with ponson.
     
    rangers get hamilton back in the lineup tonight, while the mariners will likely keep the starting nine the same.
     
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    some extra reasons to think the m's offensemight slump a bit longer
    last night:  rangers bullpen pitchers needed only 50 pitches to get through 5.0 innings, in addition, over those 5 innings, rangers pitchers only threw 13 balls.  keep in mind, this is the texas bullpen that's throwing up koufax like numbers.
     
    and to further indight the rangers offense, washburn was easily on track to get through 7 or more ip on less than 100 pitches, until he was sidelined by a minor calf injury.  sean green needed just 19 pitches to retire 6 batters, and half of those guys struck out.  JJ putz was successful in the 9th, but not sharp.
     
    so we have two weaker hitting teams (lately) along with one bullpen who over achieving and another that's underachieving. the total feels like a complete tossup, while the game also seems pretty close to a toss up, albeit an edge to mariners.  the texas ML price keeps getting better,  anything at +150 or better demands a play in my opinion.  kind of like the mariners-indians series last week.  two evenly matched teams, yet one rewards you with an nice price.
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    some extra reasons to think the m's offensemight slump a bit longer
    last night:  rangers bullpen pitchers needed only 50 pitches to get through 5.0 innings, in addition, over those 5 innings, rangers pitchers only threw 13 balls.  keep in mind, this is the texas bullpen that's throwing up koufax like numbers.
     
    and to further indight the rangers offense, washburn was easily on track to get through 7 or more ip on less than 100 pitches, until he was sidelined by a minor calf injury.  sean green needed just 19 pitches to retire 6 batters, and half of those guys struck out.  JJ putz was successful in the 9th, but not sharp.
     
    so we have two weaker hitting teams (lately) along with one bullpen who over achieving and another that's underachieving. the total feels like a complete tossup, while the game also seems pretty close to a toss up, albeit an edge to mariners.  the texas ML price keeps getting better,  anything at +150 or better demands a play in my opinion.  kind of like the mariners-indians series last week.  two evenly matched teams, yet one rewards you with an nice price.
     
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    Everything else equal -  Ms luv to hit vs Ponson (.346) while the Rangers have more trouble w/Bautista (.225 ---- no homers).
     
    M's RL would  be my wager but since I almost never bet them...it's prob a no play game.
     
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    Everything else equal -  Ms luv to hit vs Ponson (.346) while the Rangers have more trouble w/Bautista (.225 ---- no homers).
     
    M's RL would  be my wager but since I almost never bet them...it's prob a no play game.
     
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2008 - 6:44 PM ET #4

    i like texas here.
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    Posted: May. 6, 2008 - 6:54 PM ET #5

    i keep coming back to two similar teams . . . .
     
    offense comparison, edge to the rangers
             avg     record     runs      ob%     slug %     ops
    tex    .264     13-20    146       .335      .419        .754
    sea   .252      14-19   140       .311      .383         .694
     
    this becomes even more pronounced when looking at vs RHP only
            avg vs rhp        ob% vs rhp      slug% vs rhp    ops vs rhp
    tex     .269                      .336             .435               .771
    sea    .236                      .296             .358               .654
     
    mariners do maintain an edge in pitching
    most should rate batista higher than ponson
     
            pen era   pen opp avg
    tex       6.01         .271
    sea      4.76         .255
     
    seems to me the rangers have all the value here.
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    i keep coming back to two similar teams . . . .
     
    offense comparison, edge to the rangers
             avg     record     runs      ob%     slug %     ops
    tex    .264     13-20    146       .335      .419        .754
    sea   .252      14-19   140       .311      .383         .694
     
    this becomes even more pronounced when looking at vs RHP only
            avg vs rhp        ob% vs rhp      slug% vs rhp    ops vs rhp
    tex     .269                      .336             .435               .771
    sea    .236                      .296             .358               .654
     
    mariners do maintain an edge in pitching
    most should rate batista higher than ponson
     
            pen era   pen opp avg
    tex       6.01         .271
    sea      4.76         .255
     
    seems to me the rangers have all the value here.
     
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    i'm in search of +150, if i get, consider the trigger pulled
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    rangers lineups
    2b  kinsler
    ss  young
    cf  hamilton
    dh  bradley
    rf  murphy
    lf  boggs
    1b  catalanotto
    c    saltalamacchia
    3b  vasquez
     
    ponson
     
    Mariners Lineups
    cf  ichiro
    2b  lopez
    lf  ibanez
    3b  beltre
    1b  sexson
    dh  clement
    ss  betancourt
    c   johjima
    rf   balentien
     
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    2b  kinsler
    ss  young
    cf  hamilton
    dh  bradley
    rf  murphy
    lf  boggs
    1b  catalanotto
    c    saltalamacchia
    3b  vasquez
     
    ponson
     
    Mariners Lineups
    cf  ichiro
    2b  lopez
    lf  ibanez
    3b  beltre
    1b  sexson
    dh  clement
    ss  betancourt
    c   johjima
    rf   balentien
     
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    i'm in search of +150, if i get, consider the trigger pulled
     
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    it crept up to +147 earlier before i completed my research,  i've been consistently on the wrong side of the moves all season until the past few days.  so i figured the price would move in my favor.  not today.
     
    looks like i'm out of luck on +150,   i would settle for high 140's, but it appears i won't get that either.
     
    oh well, i stuck my guns on the price last night, and watch the game go off the board with making an investment, and quickly saw how wrong i was as the mariners torched millwood early.
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    it crept up to +147 earlier before i completed my research,  i've been consistently on the wrong side of the moves all season until the past few days.  so i figured the price would move in my favor.  not today.
     
    looks like i'm out of luck on +150,   i would settle for high 140's, but it appears i won't get that either.
     
    oh well, i stuck my guns on the price last night, and watch the game go off the board with making an investment, and quickly saw how wrong i was as the mariners torched millwood early.
     
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    odd umpire rotation tonight
     
    jeff kellogg is the home plate ump
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    anyone see what MB closed at ?
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    im on the under but not lookin so good
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    guess i was too picky on the texas ML price.
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