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    Beware Of Bodog

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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2010 - 10:01 PM ET #1

    I have been a loyal member of Bodog for 4+ years now.  I have come across the anti Bodog posts on here, and for the most part stuck up on their behalf.  I understood the angst against them.  The late posting of lines, the circled lines, the adjusted lines against the favorites, and some of the other random problems against Bodog.  However, I liked the software and set up of the site, the quick return of payouts, and I guess it was just what I was used to.  I would of continued using Bodog, UNTIL........

    It started in December.  I went to log into my account, only to realize it had been disabled.  Disabled due to a charge back on a credit card deposit.  Dumbfounded I called to confirm.  I immediately called my bank to investigate if any purchases had been stopped or cancelled, and they were just as dumbfounded as me.  I in no way cancelled or put a stop to a deposit.  So I went along with it and settled the debt with Western Union.  Then comes January.  Two more of these circumstances, each individually.  All handled the same way.  Called the bank who had no clue, and then settled the debt by Western Union.  Well after this being the 3rd or 4th instance of an accused charge back, they finally took away my ability to use credit cards to deposit.  (On a side note here, just to prove how messed up Bodog is....when I called the 2nd time to agree to pay the debt per Western Union, it became a struggle with the customer service rep.  They were trying to force me to use some 3rd party site and to transfer my funds.  Something that would cost me a fee and take an extended amount of time to get approved.  Oh, and on that 3rd party site I would USE MY CREDIT CARD LOL.  So after 10 minutes of arguing I finally got them to agree to let me use Western Union).

    So here it is, early January and my credit card deposit option is gone.  I continued to fund my account with Western Union.  Here comes the best part.  On the morning of the 22nd, a few weeks after using any type of credit card, I logged into my bank account to see 6 transactions by Bodog processors.  6!  5 of them by a processor called USE THIS WALLET, in which my last deposit handled by them in the last month (cant review my account statement on bodog any further) was for 50 and 65.  50 and 65 just happened to be the same amount of some of my accused charge backs!  How convenient!  I confronted them about this and they disabled my account.  So here I am double charged and locked out of my account again.

    To try to wrap this up, they basically admitted that most of these charges were initially deposited from November to the beginning of January.  I provided them a bank statement to show them the charges.  They admit that their was an error in how long it took them to process, but will show me no facts or evidence that the accused charge backs that are for the same amounts have nothing to do with these new/old transactions that mysteriously popped up.  I had to hound customer service by email and phone calls just to get some generic response almost a week later stating that I was not over charged.  No evidence, or facts, or statement.  Just a generic email.

    They disgust me.  I have no choice but to take my business elsewhere.  I reported them to SBR, and will continue to post this message all over message boards.  Their day will come.
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    I have been a loyal member of Bodog for 4+ years now.  I have come across the anti Bodog posts on here, and for the most part stuck up on their behalf.  I understood the angst against them.  The late posting of lines, the circled lines, the adjusted lines against the favorites, and some of the other random problems against Bodog.  However, I liked the software and set up of the site, the quick return of payouts, and I guess it was just what I was used to.  I would of continued using Bodog, UNTIL........

    It started in December.  I went to log into my account, only to realize it had been disabled.  Disabled due to a charge back on a credit card deposit.  Dumbfounded I called to confirm.  I immediately called my bank to investigate if any purchases had been stopped or cancelled, and they were just as dumbfounded as me.  I in no way cancelled or put a stop to a deposit.  So I went along with it and settled the debt with Western Union.  Then comes January.  Two more of these circumstances, each individually.  All handled the same way.  Called the bank who had no clue, and then settled the debt by Western Union.  Well after this being the 3rd or 4th instance of an accused charge back, they finally took away my ability to use credit cards to deposit.  (On a side note here, just to prove how messed up Bodog is....when I called the 2nd time to agree to pay the debt per Western Union, it became a struggle with the customer service rep.  They were trying to force me to use some 3rd party site and to transfer my funds.  Something that would cost me a fee and take an extended amount of time to get approved.  Oh, and on that 3rd party site I would USE MY CREDIT CARD LOL.  So after 10 minutes of arguing I finally got them to agree to let me use Western Union).

    So here it is, early January and my credit card deposit option is gone.  I continued to fund my account with Western Union.  Here comes the best part.  On the morning of the 22nd, a few weeks after using any type of credit card, I logged into my bank account to see 6 transactions by Bodog processors.  6!  5 of them by a processor called USE THIS WALLET, in which my last deposit handled by them in the last month (cant review my account statement on bodog any further) was for 50 and 65.  50 and 65 just happened to be the same amount of some of my accused charge backs!  How convenient!  I confronted them about this and they disabled my account.  So here I am double charged and locked out of my account again.

    To try to wrap this up, they basically admitted that most of these charges were initially deposited from November to the beginning of January.  I provided them a bank statement to show them the charges.  They admit that their was an error in how long it took them to process, but will show me no facts or evidence that the accused charge backs that are for the same amounts have nothing to do with these new/old transactions that mysteriously popped up.  I had to hound customer service by email and phone calls just to get some generic response almost a week later stating that I was not over charged.  No evidence, or facts, or statement.  Just a generic email.

    They disgust me.  I have no choice but to take my business elsewhere.  I reported them to SBR, and will continue to post this message all over message boards.  Their day will come.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2010 - 10:05 PM ET #2

    thanks for the info. I was just looking for a new sportsbook too. That info is very insightful toward my search.
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    thanks for the info. I was just looking for a new sportsbook too. That info is very insightful toward my search.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2010 - 10:06 PM ET #3

    I am leaning Bet Jamaica myself.  I've heard good things about them.  Good luck and post back if you find something good.
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    I am leaning Bet Jamaica myself.  I've heard good things about them.  Good luck and post back if you find something good.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2010 - 10:10 PM ET #4

    I have a feeling that this may be a bigger industry problem, at least those based in CR.........I HATE bodog, haven't used them since I wised up....but I do use vip.com and nine.com accounts from time to time.............I got an email, ALSO on the 22nd..........saying that I owed for a few transactions, starting on November 27th.........I too backed up the fact that I was indeed charged already for these transactions (with records much as yourself).....as of now I also am in a continuing debate over who is right........but as of now have also been double charged

    all of these books are Costa Rica based........appears to be a processor problem out of this country
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    I have a feeling that this may be a bigger industry problem, at least those based in CR.........I HATE bodog, haven't used them since I wised up....but I do use vip.com and nine.com accounts from time to time.............I got an email, ALSO on the 22nd..........saying that I owed for a few transactions, starting on November 27th.........I too backed up the fact that I was indeed charged already for these transactions (with records much as yourself).....as of now I also am in a continuing debate over who is right........but as of now have also been double charged

    all of these books are Costa Rica based........appears to be a processor problem out of this country
     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2010 - 10:15 PM ET #5

    Wow man, that is really interesting.  I just can't believe they don't see this in front of them.  Either they are too ignorant to figure this out, or too greedy to give back what is rightfully ours.  Amazing.
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    Wow man, that is really interesting.  I just can't believe they don't see this in front of them.  Either they are too ignorant to figure this out, or too greedy to give back what is rightfully ours.  Amazing.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2010 - 1:00 AM ET #6

    Wow man, that blows.

    I switched to Matchbook earlier this month after being a long time Bodog user. Much happier now.
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    Wow man, that blows.

    I switched to Matchbook earlier this month after being a long time Bodog user. Much happier now.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2010 - 1:16 AM ET #7

    never had any type of transaction with them, but the bodog becky thread pretty much told me all I needed to know. and now your extensive writeup (nobody would make this kind of stuff up). thanks for taking the time to share and warn other fellow players
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    never had any type of transaction with them, but the bodog becky thread pretty much told me all I needed to know. and now your extensive writeup (nobody would make this kind of stuff up). thanks for taking the time to share and warn other fellow players
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2010 - 1:20 AM ET #8

    What's SBR?
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    What's SBR?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2010 - 1:21 AM ET #9

    right now i'm still using Bodog but i'm planning to switch to another but i don't know which one is good...Didn't they make you do this credit card verification...? I have a bad feeling about it because they basically got your picture/credit card number and everything.
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    right now i'm still using Bodog but i'm planning to switch to another but i don't know which one is good...Didn't they make you do this credit card verification...? I have a bad feeling about it because they basically got your picture/credit card number and everything.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockonova:

    never had any type of transaction with them, but the bodog becky thread pretty much told me all I needed to know. and now your extensive writeup (nobody would make this kind of stuff up). thanks for taking the time to share and warn other fellow players

    I spent a week in the Box over that thread. I quit bodog years ago. There were all kinds of thing that I found VERY odd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockonova:

    never had any type of transaction with them, but the bodog becky thread pretty much told me all I needed to know. and now your extensive writeup (nobody would make this kind of stuff up). thanks for taking the time to share and warn other fellow players

    I spent a week in the Box over that thread. I quit bodog years ago. There were all kinds of thing that I found VERY odd.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2010 - 1:24 AM ET #11

    I recently switched from bodog to betpheonix. Betpheonix lines are great and they offer same day money gram payouts however the website ip address was down for like 4 days.
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    I recently switched from bodog to betpheonix. Betpheonix lines are great and they offer same day money gram payouts however the website ip address was down for like 4 days.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2010 - 7:29 AM ET #12

    I use Bodog and the best way I have figured out to deposit money is by using a bank card.  It is basically a prepaid Visa.

    I go to the local convenience store and load up whatever amount I am depositing.  They charge $4 or so to load money, and and a $1 transaction fee.  So basically I have to spend $55 to get $50 in my account.

    The good thing about it is I know they can't charge my card for dumb stuff, cause the money isn't there- I only load on the card what I am going to deposit when I get home 10 minutes later.
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    I use Bodog and the best way I have figured out to deposit money is by using a bank card.  It is basically a prepaid Visa.

    I go to the local convenience store and load up whatever amount I am depositing.  They charge $4 or so to load money, and and a $1 transaction fee.  So basically I have to spend $55 to get $50 in my account.

    The good thing about it is I know they can't charge my card for dumb stuff, cause the money isn't there- I only load on the card what I am going to deposit when I get home 10 minutes later.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2010 - 8:53 AM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by aggroking:

    What's SBR?

    Sports Book Review.  Lists complaints about each book and also has their review.  Never know if you can trust web sites reviews though.  They can be easily swayed. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by aggroking:

    What's SBR?

    Sports Book Review.  Lists complaints about each book and also has their review.  Never know if you can trust web sites reviews though.  They can be easily swayed. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2010 - 8:55 AM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by aggroking:

    right now i'm still using Bodog but i'm planning to switch to another but i don't know which one is good...Didn't they make you do this credit card verification...? I have a bad feeling about it because they basically got your picture/credit card number and everything.

    I think they all make you do a credit card verification.  They claim it's about your safety, but it's only when the money is coming back to you not leaving you.  So basically if a thief takes your card and loses, you're hosed.  But if somehow he wins then these books have your back, well errrr, they don't want you to get your winnings.  It's all a joke.  I'm not using a credit card ever again on any of these sites.  I wouldn't trust it with a bookie, and these people are no different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aggroking:

    right now i'm still using Bodog but i'm planning to switch to another but i don't know which one is good...Didn't they make you do this credit card verification...? I have a bad feeling about it because they basically got your picture/credit card number and everything.

    I think they all make you do a credit card verification.  They claim it's about your safety, but it's only when the money is coming back to you not leaving you.  So basically if a thief takes your card and loses, you're hosed.  But if somehow he wins then these books have your back, well errrr, they don't want you to get your winnings.  It's all a joke.  I'm not using a credit card ever again on any of these sites.  I wouldn't trust it with a bookie, and these people are no different.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2010 - 1:34 PM ET #15

    Ah Ok..Western Union is like paypal?
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    Ah Ok..Western Union is like paypal?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2010 - 7:06 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by aggroking:

    Ah Ok..Western Union is like paypal?

    Western Union is a money transfer service.  You call them, get the persons info that you are sending to.  You go to the store, fill out the papework, pay, get your transfer number.  Call back to the sportsbook and give them the transfer number and voila.  Money into your account.  I like it for many different reasons.  It keeps me from making instant splurges after losses with my credit card when my mind isn't right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aggroking:

    Ah Ok..Western Union is like paypal?

    Western Union is a money transfer service.  You call them, get the persons info that you are sending to.  You go to the store, fill out the papework, pay, get your transfer number.  Call back to the sportsbook and give them the transfer number and voila.  Money into your account.  I like it for many different reasons.  It keeps me from making instant splurges after losses with my credit card when my mind isn't right.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanTos8715:

    I have been a loyal member of Bodog for 4+ years now.  I have come across the anti Bodog posts on here, and for the most part stuck up on their behalf.  I understood the angst against them.  The late posting of lines, the circled lines, the adjusted lines against the favorites, and some of the other random problems against Bodog.  However, I liked the software and set up of the site, the quick return of payouts, and I guess it was just what I was used to.  I would of continued using Bodog, UNTIL........

    It started in December.  I went to log into my account, only to realize it had been disabled.  Disabled due to a charge back on a credit card deposit.  Dumbfounded I called to confirm.  I immediately called my bank to investigate if any purchases had been stopped or cancelled, and they were just as dumbfounded as me.  I in no way cancelled or put a stop to a deposit.  So I went along with it and settled the debt with Western Union.  Then comes January.  Two more of these circumstances, each individually.  All handled the same way.  Called the bank who had no clue, and then settled the debt by Western Union.  Well after this being the 3rd or 4th instance of an accused charge back, they finally took away my ability to use credit cards to deposit.  (On a side note here, just to prove how messed up Bodog is....when I called the 2nd time to agree to pay the debt per Western Union, it became a struggle with the customer service rep.  They were trying to force me to use some 3rd party site and to transfer my funds.  Something that would cost me a fee and take an extended amount of time to get approved.  Oh, and on that 3rd party site I would USE MY CREDIT CARD LOL.  So after 10 minutes of arguing I finally got them to agree to let me use Western Union).

    So here it is, early January and my credit card deposit option is gone.  I continued to fund my account with Western Union.  Here comes the best part.  On the morning of the 22nd, a few weeks after using any type of credit card, I logged into my bank account to see 6 transactions by Bodog processors.  6!  5 of them by a processor called USE THIS WALLET, in which my last deposit handled by them in the last month (cant review my account statement on bodog any further) was for 50 and 65.  50 and 65 just happened to be the same amount of some of my accused charge backs!  How convenient!  I confronted them about this and they disabled my account.  So here I am double charged and locked out of my account again.

    To try to wrap this up, they basically admitted that most of these charges were initially deposited from November to the beginning of January.  I provided them a bank statement to show them the charges.  They admit that their was an error in how long it took them to process, but will show me no facts or evidence that the accused charge backs that are for the same amounts have nothing to do with these new/old transactions that mysteriously popped up.  I had to hound customer service by email and phone calls just to get some generic response almost a week later stating that I was not over charged.  No evidence, or facts, or statement.  Just a generic email.

    They disgust me.  I have no choice but to take my business elsewhere.  I reported them to SBR, and will continue to post this message all over message boards.  Their day will come.


    I am really sorry to hear that you have gone through so much trouble, but I sincerely believe this will be easy to sort out once I put you in direct touch with a senior CS manager at Bodog.com.  Can you PM me your account information or have one of the Covers guys send it to me if you're more comfortable that way? I will get to the bottom of this for you.

    Apologies in advance if my replies are delayed- I'm in London right now attending a series of igaming conferences and events.  I will do my best to respond as quickly as possible.

    Becky
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanTos8715:

    I have been a loyal member of Bodog for 4+ years now.  I have come across the anti Bodog posts on here, and for the most part stuck up on their behalf.  I understood the angst against them.  The late posting of lines, the circled lines, the adjusted lines against the favorites, and some of the other random problems against Bodog.  However, I liked the software and set up of the site, the quick return of payouts, and I guess it was just what I was used to.  I would of continued using Bodog, UNTIL........

    It started in December.  I went to log into my account, only to realize it had been disabled.  Disabled due to a charge back on a credit card deposit.  Dumbfounded I called to confirm.  I immediately called my bank to investigate if any purchases had been stopped or cancelled, and they were just as dumbfounded as me.  I in no way cancelled or put a stop to a deposit.  So I went along with it and settled the debt with Western Union.  Then comes January.  Two more of these circumstances, each individually.  All handled the same way.  Called the bank who had no clue, and then settled the debt by Western Union.  Well after this being the 3rd or 4th instance of an accused charge back, they finally took away my ability to use credit cards to deposit.  (On a side note here, just to prove how messed up Bodog is....when I called the 2nd time to agree to pay the debt per Western Union, it became a struggle with the customer service rep.  They were trying to force me to use some 3rd party site and to transfer my funds.  Something that would cost me a fee and take an extended amount of time to get approved.  Oh, and on that 3rd party site I would USE MY CREDIT CARD LOL.  So after 10 minutes of arguing I finally got them to agree to let me use Western Union).

    So here it is, early January and my credit card deposit option is gone.  I continued to fund my account with Western Union.  Here comes the best part.  On the morning of the 22nd, a few weeks after using any type of credit card, I logged into my bank account to see 6 transactions by Bodog processors.  6!  5 of them by a processor called USE THIS WALLET, in which my last deposit handled by them in the last month (cant review my account statement on bodog any further) was for 50 and 65.  50 and 65 just happened to be the same amount of some of my accused charge backs!  How convenient!  I confronted them about this and they disabled my account.  So here I am double charged and locked out of my account again.

    To try to wrap this up, they basically admitted that most of these charges were initially deposited from November to the beginning of January.  I provided them a bank statement to show them the charges.  They admit that their was an error in how long it took them to process, but will show me no facts or evidence that the accused charge backs that are for the same amounts have nothing to do with these new/old transactions that mysteriously popped up.  I had to hound customer service by email and phone calls just to get some generic response almost a week later stating that I was not over charged.  No evidence, or facts, or statement.  Just a generic email.

    They disgust me.  I have no choice but to take my business elsewhere.  I reported them to SBR, and will continue to post this message all over message boards.  Their day will come.


    I am really sorry to hear that you have gone through so much trouble, but I sincerely believe this will be easy to sort out once I put you in direct touch with a senior CS manager at Bodog.com.  Can you PM me your account information or have one of the Covers guys send it to me if you're more comfortable that way? I will get to the bottom of this for you.

    Apologies in advance if my replies are delayed- I'm in London right now attending a series of igaming conferences and events.  I will do my best to respond as quickly as possible.

    Becky
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2010 - 1:22 PM ET #18

    Also, just to be sure everyone understands, Bodog.com is out of Kahnawake and Bodog.ca and Bodog.co.uk is out of Antigua, but that said payouts are company specific not country.  The country where an operation is based is not relevant as eCom usually takes place in the same general places for everyone in all the countries.

    There is no way anyone would lose money on someone else stealing their card and using it as once this is verified, all the transactions can easily be reversed.  ID verification is done on payout as if there is a payout you cannot reverse it, so the book needs to make sure the person using the card is the real person.   Identify verification is done on payout for convenience of the player, its so you don't have to do it when you are in a hurry to get a play in.  The entire industry works this way.

    Becky


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    Also, just to be sure everyone understands, Bodog.com is out of Kahnawake and Bodog.ca and Bodog.co.uk is out of Antigua, but that said payouts are company specific not country.  The country where an operation is based is not relevant as eCom usually takes place in the same general places for everyone in all the countries.

    There is no way anyone would lose money on someone else stealing their card and using it as once this is verified, all the transactions can easily be reversed.  ID verification is done on payout as if there is a payout you cannot reverse it, so the book needs to make sure the person using the card is the real person.   Identify verification is done on payout for convenience of the player, its so you don't have to do it when you are in a hurry to get a play in.  The entire industry works this way.

    Becky


     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2010 - 1:26 PM ET #19

    Totally shady. Gotta stick with the trustworthy books -- 5Dimes, MB (although I hear things are getting tougher there), and BetJam.


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    Totally shady. Gotta stick with the trustworthy books -- 5Dimes, MB (although I hear things are getting tougher there), and BetJam.


     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2010 - 1:34 PM ET #20

    Blow Dog is basically a poker site that does sports on the side.

    Bookmaker is a real sports site.



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    Blow Dog is basically a poker site that does sports on the side.

    Bookmaker is a real sports site.



     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2010 - 1:43 PM ET #21

    I like to get my bets in early (before work) so I don't have to run "helter skelter" as Johnny Most would say, after work.

    If I remember correctly, Bo Dog didn't have a lot (if any) games on the board early.

     

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    I like to get my bets in early (before work) so I don't have to run "helter skelter" as Johnny Most would say, after work.

    If I remember correctly, Bo Dog didn't have a lot (if any) games on the board early.

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2010 - 1:45 PM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Totally shady. Gotta stick with the trustworthy books -- 5Dimes, MB (although I hear things are getting tougher there), and BetJam.




    ever had any withdrawal issues with 5dimes??

    Anyone??
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    Quote Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

    Totally shady. Gotta stick with the trustworthy books -- 5Dimes, MB (although I hear things are getting tougher there), and BetJam.




    ever had any withdrawal issues with 5dimes??

    Anyone??
     
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    SBG GLOBAL is the best and has been for me 9 years and no issues. I wager on all sports and misc....www.sbgglobal.com
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    SBG GLOBAL is the best and has been for me 9 years and no issues. I wager on all sports and misc....www.sbgglobal.com
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by glenndef62:

    I like to get my bets in early (before work) so I don't have to run "helter skelter" as Johnny Most would say, after work.

    If I remember correctly, Bo Dog didn't have a lot (if any) games on the board early.

     


    Very true, they didn't post lines til 5:00 sometimes.  Just a gross site.  Don't offer true money lines either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glenndef62:

    I like to get my bets in early (before work) so I don't have to run "helter skelter" as Johnny Most would say, after work.

    If I remember correctly, Bo Dog didn't have a lot (if any) games on the board early.

     


    Very true, they didn't post lines til 5:00 sometimes.  Just a gross site.  Don't offer true money lines either.
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