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    calinreddog
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2009 - 5:06 PM ET #26

    Results for hockey and soccer:
    Hockey

    Togliatti  60.7% - Novosibirsk 39.3% 3-2

    Cherepovec  56.1% - Torpedo NN 43.9% 3-4

    Lokomotiv Yaroslavl  58.3% - Atlant Mytishi 41.7% 5-1

    Vaasan Sport 62.7% - Hokki Kajaani 37.3% 3-2

    Jukurit Mikkeli 60.7% - KooKoo Kouvoula 39.3% 3-4

    TuTo Turku  67.3% - D-Team Jyvaskyla 32.7% 7-3

    Bjorkloven  68.2% - Boras 31.8% 4-1

     Soccer

    Manchester City 80.2% - Newcastle 19.8% 2-1

    Atalanta Bergamo 78.1% - Bologna 21.9% 0-1

    Cagliari 85.4% - Siena 14.6% 1-0

    AC Torino 78.1% - Reggina 21.9% 0-0

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    Results for hockey and soccer:
    Hockey

    Togliatti  60.7% - Novosibirsk 39.3% 3-2

    Cherepovec  56.1% - Torpedo NN 43.9% 3-4

    Lokomotiv Yaroslavl  58.3% - Atlant Mytishi 41.7% 5-1

    Vaasan Sport 62.7% - Hokki Kajaani 37.3% 3-2

    Jukurit Mikkeli 60.7% - KooKoo Kouvoula 39.3% 3-4

    TuTo Turku  67.3% - D-Team Jyvaskyla 32.7% 7-3

    Bjorkloven  68.2% - Boras 31.8% 4-1

     Soccer

    Manchester City 80.2% - Newcastle 19.8% 2-1

    Atalanta Bergamo 78.1% - Bologna 21.9% 0-1

    Cagliari 85.4% - Siena 14.6% 1-0

    AC Torino 78.1% - Reggina 21.9% 0-0

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2009 - 5:17 PM ET #27

    After the percentages I computed above, the plays for tonight would be:
    NHL
    van moneyline
    NBA
    mil +6.5
    sac +17
    was +8.5
    nj +2
    mem +7
    hou -5
    dal -6.5
    cha +11.5
     
     
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    After the percentages I computed above, the plays for tonight would be:
    NHL
    van moneyline
    NBA
    mil +6.5
    sac +17
    was +8.5
    nj +2
    mem +7
    hou -5
    dal -6.5
    cha +11.5
     
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2009 - 6:01 PM ET #28

    how do you incorporate the spread into your system?
     
    looks like your system is just used for ML's
     
     
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    how do you incorporate the spread into your system?
     
    looks like your system is just used for ML's
     
     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2009 - 6:59 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by Bengalfan9:

    how do you incorporate the spread into your system?
     
    looks like your system is just used for ML's
     
     

    I found some data digged out by a guy named Jay Edgar who studied the NBA games ATS results for manny years and found some relation between the winning percentage of a team against the spread. He called these results "true moneyline".

    Accordingly to his studies, for example, favourites of -3.5 won 61.4% of the games during the seasons he studied. So if my percentage computed for a team is 61.4% I assume that team will cover -3.5 and I'll take it as a good play if the spread set by the bookie is not bigger tha -3.5.

    That's how I figured out the spreads for each percentage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bengalfan9:

    how do you incorporate the spread into your system?
     
    looks like your system is just used for ML's
     
     

    I found some data digged out by a guy named Jay Edgar who studied the NBA games ATS results for manny years and found some relation between the winning percentage of a team against the spread. He called these results "true moneyline".

    Accordingly to his studies, for example, favourites of -3.5 won 61.4% of the games during the seasons he studied. So if my percentage computed for a team is 61.4% I assume that team will cover -3.5 and I'll take it as a good play if the spread set by the bookie is not bigger tha -3.5.

    That's how I figured out the spreads for each percentage.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2009 - 7:05 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by Bengalfan9:

    how do you incorporate the spread into your system?
     
    looks like your system is just used for ML's
     
     

    Take for example Boston: I computed a winning percentage of 87.9% for the straight win. In the data I have (from that Jay Edgar guy) a team with a winning chance of 87.9% should win by a difference of 12 points. But the line for Boston is -17.0, too big and I prefer to bet on Sacramento +17.0 because they have better chances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bengalfan9:

    how do you incorporate the spread into your system?
     
    looks like your system is just used for ML's
     
     

    Take for example Boston: I computed a winning percentage of 87.9% for the straight win. In the data I have (from that Jay Edgar guy) a team with a winning chance of 87.9% should win by a difference of 12 points. But the line for Boston is -17.0, too big and I prefer to bet on Sacramento +17.0 because they have better chances.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2009 - 7:50 PM ET #31

    Keep going with this one dog, I like it.........  is there anyway you could post next to the picks the Jay Edgar lines next to the books lines, so we could compare them and see which games hold a large variance?
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    Keep going with this one dog, I like it.........  is there anyway you could post next to the picks the Jay Edgar lines next to the books lines, so we could compare them and see which games hold a large variance?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2009 - 8:00 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by jerm73:

    Keep going with this one dog, I like it.........  is there anyway you could post next to the picks the Jay Edgar lines next to the books lines, so we could compare them and see which games hold a large variance?

    The spreadline posted next to the favourite in ( ) is the "true line" and the lines made by the books you find them at your bookie or look at those from the covers NBA scoreboard, doesn't matter. Anyway, books lines change. When I computed those percentages, bos were -16 favs now thy're -17 but no doing so good... So the "true line" (after Jay Edgar) is the one in the brackets and it shows what spread should have that favourite in order to be a good bet at his percentage of winning I computed. But that percentage is the projected percentage based on the points for and points against and it only tries to convert into percentages the differences between teams points scored and points allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jerm73:

    Keep going with this one dog, I like it.........  is there anyway you could post next to the picks the Jay Edgar lines next to the books lines, so we could compare them and see which games hold a large variance?

    The spreadline posted next to the favourite in ( ) is the "true line" and the lines made by the books you find them at your bookie or look at those from the covers NBA scoreboard, doesn't matter. Anyway, books lines change. When I computed those percentages, bos were -16 favs now thy're -17 but no doing so good... So the "true line" (after Jay Edgar) is the one in the brackets and it shows what spread should have that favourite in order to be a good bet at his percentage of winning I computed. But that percentage is the projected percentage based on the points for and points against and it only tries to convert into percentages the differences between teams points scored and points allowed.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2009 - 8:42 PM ET #33

    Cleveland with only a 56% chance to win at home against sacramento??? Is that 56% to cover? I hope, cuz if ur numbers have the Cavs beating the Kings at home only 56% of the time I fear for your bankroll
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    Cleveland with only a 56% chance to win at home against sacramento??? Is that 56% to cover? I hope, cuz if ur numbers have the Cavs beating the Kings at home only 56% of the time I fear for your bankroll
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2009 - 3:16 AM ET #34

    Who is this Jay Edgar? I tried google searching him and all i got was someone from another forum. We talking about the same guy?
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    Who is this Jay Edgar? I tried google searching him and all i got was someone from another forum. We talking about the same guy?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2009 - 4:17 AM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by jhudd70:

    Who is this Jay Edgar? I tried google searching him and all i got was someone from another forum. We talking about the same guy?

    Follow the link, that's what I got:

    https://forum.sbrforum.com/nba-basketball-handicapping/18920-jay-edgar-true-money-lines-based-last-9-years-nba-play.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhudd70:

    Who is this Jay Edgar? I tried google searching him and all i got was someone from another forum. We talking about the same guy?

    Follow the link, that's what I got:

    https://forum.sbrforum.com/nba-basketball-handicapping/18920-jay-edgar-true-money-lines-based-last-9-years-nba-play.html

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2009 - 4:21 AM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by ChanceP:

    Cleveland with only a 56% chance to win at home against sacramento??? Is that 56% to cover? I hope, cuz if ur numbers have the Cavs beating the Kings at home only 56% of the time I fear for your bankroll

    That was a mistake:

    I used for that the Pythagorean formula with exponent 2 wich is apropriate to baseball and hockey, but for basketball the exponent recommended is 14 or 16.5. Using the 16.5 exponent would meant Cleveland over 80% chances to win at home vs. Sacramento (that's straight win, moneyline).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChanceP:

    Cleveland with only a 56% chance to win at home against sacramento??? Is that 56% to cover? I hope, cuz if ur numbers have the Cavs beating the Kings at home only 56% of the time I fear for your bankroll

    That was a mistake:

    I used for that the Pythagorean formula with exponent 2 wich is apropriate to baseball and hockey, but for basketball the exponent recommended is 14 or 16.5. Using the 16.5 exponent would meant Cleveland over 80% chances to win at home vs. Sacramento (that's straight win, moneyline).

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2009 - 4:32 AM ET #37

    Analysis for NBA games:
     
    If I look at the ATS picks it's a disaster. So I won't try anymore to use the "true money line" from that Jay Edgar guy.
    Mikkii10, take care!
    But let's ran the analysis from the moneyline point of view. Teams highlighted in red are more than 60% favourites on the moneyline so focus on them:
     

    Milwaukee 35.8% @ Indiana 64.2%

    Sacramento 12.1% @ Boston 87.9%

    Washington 26% @ Miami 74% 

    Toronto 49% @ New Jersey 51%

    Atlanta 44.8% @ New York 55.2%

    Chicago 52.6%  @ LA Clippers 47.4%

    Detroit 55.2%  @ Minnesota 44.8%

    Denver 39.5% @ New Orleans 60.5%

    Memphis 40% @ Oklahoma City 60%

    Philadelphia 21.5% @ Houston 71.5%

    Golden State 27% @ Dallas 73%

    Charlotte 25.2% @ Portland 74.8%

     

    So, on the moneyline, the only disappointment would be Houston.

     

    And the NHL moneyline analysis:

     

    NYR 48.1% @ PIT 51.9% 2-6
    BUF 45.8% @ CAL 54.2% 2-5
    CHI 50.7% @ ANA 49.3% 2-3
    NAS 38.9% @ VAN 61.1% 3-5.
     
    The Canucks really don't want to win a game yet.
     
     

     

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    Analysis for NBA games:
     
    If I look at the ATS picks it's a disaster. So I won't try anymore to use the "true money line" from that Jay Edgar guy.
    Mikkii10, take care!
    But let's ran the analysis from the moneyline point of view. Teams highlighted in red are more than 60% favourites on the moneyline so focus on them:
     

    Milwaukee 35.8% @ Indiana 64.2%

    Sacramento 12.1% @ Boston 87.9%

    Washington 26% @ Miami 74% 

    Toronto 49% @ New Jersey 51%

    Atlanta 44.8% @ New York 55.2%

    Chicago 52.6%  @ LA Clippers 47.4%

    Detroit 55.2%  @ Minnesota 44.8%

    Denver 39.5% @ New Orleans 60.5%

    Memphis 40% @ Oklahoma City 60%

    Philadelphia 21.5% @ Houston 71.5%

    Golden State 27% @ Dallas 73%

    Charlotte 25.2% @ Portland 74.8%

     

    So, on the moneyline, the only disappointment would be Houston.

     

    And the NHL moneyline analysis:

     

    NYR 48.1% @ PIT 51.9% 2-6
    BUF 45.8% @ CAL 54.2% 2-5
    CHI 50.7% @ ANA 49.3% 2-3
    NAS 38.9% @ VAN 61.1% 3-5.
     
    The Canucks really don't want to win a game yet.
     
     

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 29, 2009 - 11:34 AM ET #39

    The projected winning percentages for tonight are:
     
    NHL
     

    New Jersey 40.2% @ Boston 59.8%

    Tampa Bay 47% @ Carolina 53%

    NY Islanders 45.6% @ Atlanta 54.4%

    Montreal 47.3% @ Florida 52.7%

    Dallas 30.9% @ Detroit 69.1%

    Ottawa 37.7% @ St. Louis 62.3%

    Toronto 40.6% @ Colorado 59.4%

    Chicago 54.6% @ Los Angeles 45.4%

    Phoenix 26.9% @ San Jose 73.1%

     

    NBA

     

    Cleveland 40.4% @ Orlando 59.6%

    San Antonio 45.8% @ Phoenix 54.2%

     

    Teams highlighted in red are supposed to win and it looks like it's going to be the night of the home favourites, since the only road favourite seems to be Chicago Blackhawks.

    We'll see tomorrow!

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    The projected winning percentages for tonight are:
     
    NHL
     

    New Jersey 40.2% @ Boston 59.8%

    Tampa Bay 47% @ Carolina 53%

    NY Islanders 45.6% @ Atlanta 54.4%

    Montreal 47.3% @ Florida 52.7%

    Dallas 30.9% @ Detroit 69.1%

    Ottawa 37.7% @ St. Louis 62.3%

    Toronto 40.6% @ Colorado 59.4%

    Chicago 54.6% @ Los Angeles 45.4%

    Phoenix 26.9% @ San Jose 73.1%

     

    NBA

     

    Cleveland 40.4% @ Orlando 59.6%

    San Antonio 45.8% @ Phoenix 54.2%

     

    Teams highlighted in red are supposed to win and it looks like it's going to be the night of the home favourites, since the only road favourite seems to be Chicago Blackhawks.

    We'll see tomorrow!

     
     
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    hey calinreddog you take care and  i watch your picks your doing great.And when i get some time i will try that spread sheet .I work alot so when i get some time off i will check it out.
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    hey calinreddog you take care and  i watch your picks your doing great.And when i get some time i will try that spread sheet .I work alot so when i get some time off i will check it out.
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