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    HOW TO FIND VALUE in BASKETKBALL & FOOTBALL

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    professorkopak
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2008 - 3:54 PM ET #26

      The card looks good for football this week. I hope somebody out there figured out Houston was a play last night with the yardage method I gave out. They were 4  points better than Jacksonville on a neutral field. Add home field advantage and they were 7 points better. Also Jacksonville has been very bad against the spread. It was a good play. There are more games like that this week in the pros. However do not go against the Jets if you doing this method even so it will come up as a play.

                      Here are my college plays tonight

       Best  Minn , B C, St Louis, Utah St    very good play Marq     good plays Memp, S Car.

            NBA     Utah 12 PORT 10 N J 8 DAL 6 LAKERS 6

                                   college football

               I will give you 4 games , 3 now and 1 later

    Louisville, Ariz St and Troy .These are all very nice plays for me.

         I got all my plays in at Matchbook and my average odds are +105 1/2. Igot +115 odds on one game. If I hit half my games I will make almost 3 %. I am waiting on one more football game and when I get a responder to my wager I will give that one out.  I have a very strong basketball game in college tonight but I can not give it out because of my agreement with a service I am dealing with in college basketball.. I should have another good week. Enjoy the picks.

     

                                             

     

     

     

     

                                                                   

     

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      The card looks good for football this week. I hope somebody out there figured out Houston was a play last night with the yardage method I gave out. They were 4  points better than Jacksonville on a neutral field. Add home field advantage and they were 7 points better. Also Jacksonville has been very bad against the spread. It was a good play. There are more games like that this week in the pros. However do not go against the Jets if you doing this method even so it will come up as a play.

                      Here are my college plays tonight

       Best  Minn , B C, St Louis, Utah St    very good play Marq     good plays Memp, S Car.

            NBA     Utah 12 PORT 10 N J 8 DAL 6 LAKERS 6

                                   college football

               I will give you 4 games , 3 now and 1 later

    Louisville, Ariz St and Troy .These are all very nice plays for me.

         I got all my plays in at Matchbook and my average odds are +105 1/2. Igot +115 odds on one game. If I hit half my games I will make almost 3 %. I am waiting on one more football game and when I get a responder to my wager I will give that one out.  I have a very strong basketball game in college tonight but I can not give it out because of my agreement with a service I am dealing with in college basketball.. I should have another good week. Enjoy the picks.

     

                                             

     

     

     

     

                                                                   

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2008 - 4:00 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by bennyha:

    yo professor i would be very interested in that class were you to teach it. where are you located?

     

     

    People will believe anything

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    Quote Originally Posted by bennyha:

    yo professor i would be very interested in that class were you to teach it. where are you located?

     

     

    People will believe anything

     
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    Posted: Dec. 2, 2008 - 11:52 PM ET #28

    rock and roll !  1 - 3   for the night.
    sign me up for the class !
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    rock and roll !  1 - 3   for the night.
    sign me up for the class !
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2008 - 3:46 AM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by maniilaq:

    rock and roll !  1 - 3   for the night.
    sign me up for the class !

    The results have not been good enough to advertise a $1000 dollar class. 

    Im more impressed with KindergartenCapper by far. That guy is hitting at a high percentage while taking around 8 games a day. He tripled my bank roll already in college basketball just betting a small percent of my bank roll. Not to mention its FREE and he only cares about making money with his own money
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    Quote Originally Posted by maniilaq:

    rock and roll !  1 - 3   for the night.
    sign me up for the class !

    The results have not been good enough to advertise a $1000 dollar class. 

    Im more impressed with KindergartenCapper by far. That guy is hitting at a high percentage while taking around 8 games a day. He tripled my bank roll already in college basketball just betting a small percent of my bank roll. Not to mention its FREE and he only cares about making money with his own money
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2008 - 4:16 AM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by HeaVin-Cent:


    The results have not been good enough to advertise a $1000 dollar class. 

    Im more impressed with KindergartenCapper by far. That guy is hitting at a high percentage while taking around 8 games a day. He tripled my bank roll already in college basketball just betting a small percent of my bank roll. Not to mention its FREE and he only cares about making money with his own money

     

    very well said

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeaVin-Cent:


    The results have not been good enough to advertise a $1000 dollar class. 

    Im more impressed with KindergartenCapper by far. That guy is hitting at a high percentage while taking around 8 games a day. He tripled my bank roll already in college basketball just betting a small percent of my bank roll. Not to mention its FREE and he only cares about making money with his own money

     

    very well said

     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2008 - 4:18 AM ET #31

    Always amazes me how these guys claim to be such good cappers yet they need our money, its hilarious
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    Always amazes me how these guys claim to be such good cappers yet they need our money, its hilarious
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2008 - 2:57 PM ET #32

      I have several things to talk about before posting my games.
    The first is what i have been preaching for  the last month. Use Matchbook !!!!!!!
      reason#1  I average getting +103 odds per game not the traditional -110. That is a 13% difference!!!!!  Yesterday I got +106 odds to good on average.
     reason#2   The opening line is always available to you. If the line moves the wrong way you can still use the opening line.They create another line(sometimes 2 more)
     reason#3  You can makes your own take. If you are being offered-105 and think you can get-101 you can plug in -101
     reason#4  If you want to kill a play by betting both sides you can do that and you only put in the same amount as your original bet but your balance does not change and you only get charged 2% of your winnings not the bet. If your balance was $100 and you bet the other side your balance would still be $100
    reason#5 You can live bet and only get charged 2% of your winnings not each bet.
    reason# 6 It is easy to get paid
      I have been in contact with a former student and I am glad I did. He stills has his notes from long ago. I do not. One of the things I discussed in a class long ago was something about a baseball play that always made a profit every year .Play against ( good teams in particuliar) who are traveling a long distance and are playing Monday. That angle has worked for years but I forgot about it. My old student became the teacher yesterday. He said the same held true for NBA  basketball except you could extend it to Tuesday. Late last night we backtracked 3 seasons he had in his note book. Sure enough Monday and Tusdays were winning an astounding 15 % less than othr days when playing good teams traveling a distance. We speculate that it is because week end games are usualy bigger games against better teams and that long travel teams have 4 -7 games to play. Good teams play their best in big events. It is an anti-climax event to play a bad team on the 2 most uneventful playing days of the week, Mon and Tues. This year Ilooked at my Monday Tues games and have been disappointed in the results. However by deleting good teams that caled for a play when long travel was involved those figures were ok, not great but ok. Keep in mind some home teams have just gotten back from a long travel schedule. This becomes just 1 more trip for them. I will not be playing many NBA games n Mon, and Tues. The same does not hold true for college because they only play 2 games aweek and they are usually close by.
     
     Yesterday I did not do as well as I usually do. Howevr I saved myself. First of all in the NBA I got Portland at -6 1/2. The game went to -8. Remember Matchbook has both spreads. I lost the Lakers and New Jersey games badly.  This is the Tuesday anti climax game for both. The lakers are traveling for a while and New Jersey just came back from a successful west coast trip. One of Dallas's key players was questionable for yesterday's game so I killed the play.It cost me 4%. The Utah game was agod one and my strongest play.They won by 3 and the opening matchbook line was+2 at +108 odds. I hit the win line at +125 also since the value spread I had was -3 1/2 Utah plus the other good things they showed. The final spread was at -2 and you only got +105 on that spread.
    In colege games I was only 3-4 to the games I gave you. I was 3 points to good when adding the difference in the winning spread margin. My big play I did not give out should not surprise any good handicappers. This play comes up several times a year. Georgia was playing W KY. W KY just beat the # 3 ranked team in the nation and was their biggest game of the year since it was a home state team. I thought Ga at+ 4 1/2 would beat the spread if they were - 4 1/2. I was wrong but still covered by a 1/2 point. This is a good play and you can not go wrong when you see it. Also rmmber before playing a game look at the injury suspension list to see if any key players are questionable. Pass the game or kill the play.
                                Todays Card
                                        football
                    This is the game I had not given out yet.
    It is a strong play for me .Tenn St has been playing 10 points above the spread in their last 3 games . La Lhas been playing -23 points to the spread in the last 3 games. hot vs cold.  Tenn St gotout  a 45-7 lead in their last game and coasted home. La L got blown out in the lst half. One team is very confident and one is striggling. The spreadis a juicy+ 5 1/2. This is a solid play.
                                      Bkball college
    All units are 8 units until further notice as I said last week.Even if I say a play is strong, very good or good I give them an 8 unit value until about mid Dec
     Ark LR, Tol, Rich, Niagra, Ga St, Temple, Mich, Aub, Iowa St ,Nw , Calif( big smart money on them once again)
                                         NBA
    You favorite team people will like this.
          LAL but at -7 /12 ,Port-6, Boston no more than -14, Houston spread is ok, Char -8 1/2. All favorites today. Thats the way they came out. Unit play is 7 on all games except char which is 5. Spreads could be better.
        Got to go. I have a busy schedule . Forgive the writing and spelling.
      
       
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      I have several things to talk about before posting my games.
    The first is what i have been preaching for  the last month. Use Matchbook !!!!!!!
      reason#1  I average getting +103 odds per game not the traditional -110. That is a 13% difference!!!!!  Yesterday I got +106 odds to good on average.
     reason#2   The opening line is always available to you. If the line moves the wrong way you can still use the opening line.They create another line(sometimes 2 more)
     reason#3  You can makes your own take. If you are being offered-105 and think you can get-101 you can plug in -101
     reason#4  If you want to kill a play by betting both sides you can do that and you only put in the same amount as your original bet but your balance does not change and you only get charged 2% of your winnings not the bet. If your balance was $100 and you bet the other side your balance would still be $100
    reason#5 You can live bet and only get charged 2% of your winnings not each bet.
    reason# 6 It is easy to get paid
      I have been in contact with a former student and I am glad I did. He stills has his notes from long ago. I do not. One of the things I discussed in a class long ago was something about a baseball play that always made a profit every year .Play against ( good teams in particuliar) who are traveling a long distance and are playing Monday. That angle has worked for years but I forgot about it. My old student became the teacher yesterday. He said the same held true for NBA  basketball except you could extend it to Tuesday. Late last night we backtracked 3 seasons he had in his note book. Sure enough Monday and Tusdays were winning an astounding 15 % less than othr days when playing good teams traveling a distance. We speculate that it is because week end games are usualy bigger games against better teams and that long travel teams have 4 -7 games to play. Good teams play their best in big events. It is an anti-climax event to play a bad team on the 2 most uneventful playing days of the week, Mon and Tues. This year Ilooked at my Monday Tues games and have been disappointed in the results. However by deleting good teams that caled for a play when long travel was involved those figures were ok, not great but ok. Keep in mind some home teams have just gotten back from a long travel schedule. This becomes just 1 more trip for them. I will not be playing many NBA games n Mon, and Tues. The same does not hold true for college because they only play 2 games aweek and they are usually close by.
     
     Yesterday I did not do as well as I usually do. Howevr I saved myself. First of all in the NBA I got Portland at -6 1/2. The game went to -8. Remember Matchbook has both spreads. I lost the Lakers and New Jersey games badly.  This is the Tuesday anti climax game for both. The lakers are traveling for a while and New Jersey just came back from a successful west coast trip. One of Dallas's key players was questionable for yesterday's game so I killed the play.It cost me 4%. The Utah game was agod one and my strongest play.They won by 3 and the opening matchbook line was+2 at +108 odds. I hit the win line at +125 also since the value spread I had was -3 1/2 Utah plus the other good things they showed. The final spread was at -2 and you only got +105 on that spread.
    In colege games I was only 3-4 to the games I gave you. I was 3 points to good when adding the difference in the winning spread margin. My big play I did not give out should not surprise any good handicappers. This play comes up several times a year. Georgia was playing W KY. W KY just beat the # 3 ranked team in the nation and was their biggest game of the year since it was a home state team. I thought Ga at+ 4 1/2 would beat the spread if they were - 4 1/2. I was wrong but still covered by a 1/2 point. This is a good play and you can not go wrong when you see it. Also rmmber before playing a game look at the injury suspension list to see if any key players are questionable. Pass the game or kill the play.
                                Todays Card
                                        football
                    This is the game I had not given out yet.
    It is a strong play for me .Tenn St has been playing 10 points above the spread in their last 3 games . La Lhas been playing -23 points to the spread in the last 3 games. hot vs cold.  Tenn St gotout  a 45-7 lead in their last game and coasted home. La L got blown out in the lst half. One team is very confident and one is striggling. The spreadis a juicy+ 5 1/2. This is a solid play.
                                      Bkball college
    All units are 8 units until further notice as I said last week.Even if I say a play is strong, very good or good I give them an 8 unit value until about mid Dec
     Ark LR, Tol, Rich, Niagra, Ga St, Temple, Mich, Aub, Iowa St ,Nw , Calif( big smart money on them once again)
                                         NBA
    You favorite team people will like this.
          LAL but at -7 /12 ,Port-6, Boston no more than -14, Houston spread is ok, Char -8 1/2. All favorites today. Thats the way they came out. Unit play is 7 on all games except char which is 5. Spreads could be better.
        Got to go. I have a busy schedule . Forgive the writing and spelling.
      
       
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2008 - 6:31 PM ET #33

           It is 6:30. Thought you like to know.
     There are 3 teams today that are getting hammered by big money   Auburn,Temple and California I do not know why but Auburn I getting hammered from 3 places. It is very unusual to have so much money on 3 different games.
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           It is 6:30. Thought you like to know.
     There are 3 teams today that are getting hammered by big money   Auburn,Temple and California I do not know why but Auburn I getting hammered from 3 places. It is very unusual to have so much money on 3 different games.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 3, 2008 - 6:35 PM ET #34

    great reading after you are able to get use to reading the way you type.  okay just a few questions, why are you selling your picks to a service if you can make money betting your own pick? why are you posting is it a passion or are you trying to get on a small hot streak and then get your followers to pay for your services, where exactly did you teach handicapping at? you talk about your student helping you and he is hitting 70 percent, my question is why arent you hitting 70 percent.  i `cap my own game, read the forum and pick up tidbits, read alot but probally will never post a game because being a degenerate i know people only want winners and they want them all the time.  good luck and hopefully you answer these questions, hope your eye surgery goes good.  last question is do you actually wager on these picks and if you dont mind what exactly is your ytd record. 
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    great reading after you are able to get use to reading the way you type.  okay just a few questions, why are you selling your picks to a service if you can make money betting your own pick? why are you posting is it a passion or are you trying to get on a small hot streak and then get your followers to pay for your services, where exactly did you teach handicapping at? you talk about your student helping you and he is hitting 70 percent, my question is why arent you hitting 70 percent.  i `cap my own game, read the forum and pick up tidbits, read alot but probally will never post a game because being a degenerate i know people only want winners and they want them all the time.  good luck and hopefully you answer these questions, hope your eye surgery goes good.  last question is do you actually wager on these picks and if you dont mind what exactly is your ytd record. 
     
    professorkopak
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    Posted: Dec. 4, 2008 - 5:55 PM ET #35

    I have yet to look at any responses. I will some time early next week
         If you used Matchbook as I do yesterday you would have been 7-3 in college.  Tol, Rich, Mich( push at some places), Aub, Ia St, NW, Calif won  Ark LR , Nia, Temp lost and lost big. GA St -no spread .Losing games by a lot is not uncommon for what I do. I try to measure, in some case, when a team has bottomed out and is going back to form or vice versa. When I am wrong it often is by a lot. If a team performed in reverse of what I calulated they usually continue in that direction in the next game .
            
    NBA was 2-2-1 (Port-6)  At Matchbook. It was 2-3 at some places. I made a little because the weakest play lost, so we were 2 -3 units up
     My football game lost. Games like that hit 70-75% of the time. This was the 25-30%. I was counting my money ahead of time but a funny thing happened on the way to the bank. I thought I was putting some money in  not getting a loan.
      Todays plays
       NFL Oakland+9 1/2 (I got at +10) San Diego has little to play for. Teams like that usually continue to go bad. Perhaps they are the the most disappointing team of all. When is the last time you saw a NFL team that was 4-7 playing a 3-8 team that opened at -10.
     NCAA football- It's a "Need Game" for Louisville  Win or do not  go to a bowl game.         nice spread
     NCAA basketball. Today I start unit strength, though I said I would start later this month
     Conn, Wis GB, SE Miss, 10 units   Den, St Mary, W Mich 5 units
       NBA   Dal 5 units
              Yesterday all 10 of my college games went the wrong way concerning the spread. I am suspicious. There are 3 possibilities down, up ,or the same    Random chance is 1 in 3 to the 10th power that all would go the wrong way on me.. That seems unlikely since many games I had were dogs who showed little to entice money going in their direction. I abandoned my plays I was giving to a sports service. We departed on friendly terms . I was 15-4 with them but I wanted more for my plays then they wanted to give me.
       Here are odds I got on college games +112.+105,+104,+103,,-101,-101 -  football +108 Louisville (at +11), Oakland -103 at  (+10)
     
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    I have yet to look at any responses. I will some time early next week
         If you used Matchbook as I do yesterday you would have been 7-3 in college.  Tol, Rich, Mich( push at some places), Aub, Ia St, NW, Calif won  Ark LR , Nia, Temp lost and lost big. GA St -no spread .Losing games by a lot is not uncommon for what I do. I try to measure, in some case, when a team has bottomed out and is going back to form or vice versa. When I am wrong it often is by a lot. If a team performed in reverse of what I calulated they usually continue in that direction in the next game .
            
    NBA was 2-2-1 (Port-6)  At Matchbook. It was 2-3 at some places. I made a little because the weakest play lost, so we were 2 -3 units up
     My football game lost. Games like that hit 70-75% of the time. This was the 25-30%. I was counting my money ahead of time but a funny thing happened on the way to the bank. I thought I was putting some money in  not getting a loan.
      Todays plays
       NFL Oakland+9 1/2 (I got at +10) San Diego has little to play for. Teams like that usually continue to go bad. Perhaps they are the the most disappointing team of all. When is the last time you saw a NFL team that was 4-7 playing a 3-8 team that opened at -10.
     NCAA football- It's a "Need Game" for Louisville  Win or do not  go to a bowl game.         nice spread
     NCAA basketball. Today I start unit strength, though I said I would start later this month
     Conn, Wis GB, SE Miss, 10 units   Den, St Mary, W Mich 5 units
       NBA   Dal 5 units
              Yesterday all 10 of my college games went the wrong way concerning the spread. I am suspicious. There are 3 possibilities down, up ,or the same    Random chance is 1 in 3 to the 10th power that all would go the wrong way on me.. That seems unlikely since many games I had were dogs who showed little to entice money going in their direction. I abandoned my plays I was giving to a sports service. We departed on friendly terms . I was 15-4 with them but I wanted more for my plays then they wanted to give me.
       Here are odds I got on college games +112.+105,+104,+103,,-101,-101 -  football +108 Louisville (at +11), Oakland -103 at  (+10)
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2008 - 7:50 AM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by ANT_THEROCK:

    great reading after you are able to get use to reading the way you type.  okay just a few questions, why are you selling your picks to a service if you can make money betting your own pick? why are you posting is it a passion or are you trying to get on a small hot streak and then get your followers to pay for your services, where exactly did you teach handicapping at? you talk about your student helping you and he is hitting 70 percent, my question is why arent you hitting 70 percent.  i `cap my own game, read the forum and pick up tidbits, read alot but probally will never post a game because being a degenerate i know people only want winners and they want them all the time.  good luck and hopefully you answer these questions, hope your eye surgery goes good.  last question is do you actually wager on these picks and if you dont mind what exactly is your ytd record. 


    Don't ask this guy questions. He is a joke.

    He gave out a method for yardage in football giving an example that actually worked. However, I tried to handicap NFL with that method a couple of weeks ago and there were many more scenarios in the picture.
    I then came here and asked him to do the number crunching for one game and he never got back to me.
    He doesn't know what he is talking about.

    He posts plays after the games start and counts them as wins!
    Yes, he did that also. What a loser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ANT_THEROCK:

    great reading after you are able to get use to reading the way you type.  okay just a few questions, why are you selling your picks to a service if you can make money betting your own pick? why are you posting is it a passion or are you trying to get on a small hot streak and then get your followers to pay for your services, where exactly did you teach handicapping at? you talk about your student helping you and he is hitting 70 percent, my question is why arent you hitting 70 percent.  i `cap my own game, read the forum and pick up tidbits, read alot but probally will never post a game because being a degenerate i know people only want winners and they want them all the time.  good luck and hopefully you answer these questions, hope your eye surgery goes good.  last question is do you actually wager on these picks and if you dont mind what exactly is your ytd record. 


    Don't ask this guy questions. He is a joke.

    He gave out a method for yardage in football giving an example that actually worked. However, I tried to handicap NFL with that method a couple of weeks ago and there were many more scenarios in the picture.
    I then came here and asked him to do the number crunching for one game and he never got back to me.
    He doesn't know what he is talking about.

    He posts plays after the games start and counts them as wins!
    Yes, he did that also. What a loser.
     
    maniilaq
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2008 - 11:54 AM ET #37

    10 plays = 10 losers. 
    Have you set a date for your class in Las Vegas yet ? I have saved $1000 for the cost of the class and am very interested !
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    10 plays = 10 losers. 
    Have you set a date for your class in Las Vegas yet ? I have saved $1000 for the cost of the class and am very interested !
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2008 - 12:18 PM ET #38

    All BS guys....this guy is the master fluff guy. Talks big then goes AWOL with plenty of Arrogance.   
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    All BS guys....this guy is the master fluff guy. Talks big then goes AWOL with plenty of Arrogance.   
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