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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2014 - 12:46 AM ET #276

    Lambo, analyzing these wc matches from a strategic, matchups standpoint will not get you far. You need a more holistic approach.
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    Lambo, analyzing these wc matches from a strategic, matchups standpoint will not get you far. You need a more holistic approach.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2014 - 1:08 AM ET #277

    thanks for advice, only a recent sports bettor so will heed your advice.
     
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    thanks for advice, only a recent sports bettor so will heed your advice.
     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2014 - 3:20 AM ET #278

    Anyone know why FIFA doesn't have the sudden death extra time rule anymore?
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    Anyone know why FIFA doesn't have the sudden death extra time rule anymore?
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2014 - 10:48 AM ET #279

    Quote Originally Posted by vegasrebel417:

    Anyone know why FIFA doesn't have the sudden death extra time rule anymore?

    Seems like sudden death would be a good way to go.

    And maybe do like Hockey and take a player off from each side!

    Open things up a bit!

    Keep taking a player off every 15 minutes until a goal is scored!

    I'm sure the traditionalists will love that suggestion. But hey, it's a lot more traditional than deciding a match by PKs!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vegasrebel417:

    Anyone know why FIFA doesn't have the sudden death extra time rule anymore?

    Seems like sudden death would be a good way to go.

    And maybe do like Hockey and take a player off from each side!

    Open things up a bit!

    Keep taking a player off every 15 minutes until a goal is scored!

    I'm sure the traditionalists will love that suggestion. But hey, it's a lot more traditional than deciding a match by PKs!
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2014 - 11:49 AM ET #280

    Why fix it?? I freaking love shootout
    The best thing to watch after a long exhausting game

    Love it
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    Why fix it?? I freaking love shootout
    The best thing to watch after a long exhausting game

    Love it
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2014 - 12:31 PM ET #281

    I gotta believe that 80-90% of players hate the PKs as a way to decide whether they advance or not.

    Unless they realize that they can't just keep playing on and on.

    That's why they might like the idea of going with fewer players and opening up the field to make a goal more likely.
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    I gotta believe that 80-90% of players hate the PKs as a way to decide whether they advance or not.

    Unless they realize that they can't just keep playing on and on.

    That's why they might like the idea of going with fewer players and opening up the field to make a goal more likely.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2014 - 5:03 PM ET #282

    Hey Van. I did a Cup bracket from start of tournament with your picks. Tina wins it all I win the pool. Thanks.
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    Hey Van. I did a Cup bracket from start of tournament with your picks. Tina wins it all I win the pool. Thanks.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2014 - 9:07 PM ET #283

    Sorry to say Barn , I disagree , its not hockey . In soccer and especially this round of 30 min extra time , a weaker Team can go all out hoping to not run out of gas before time is finally out . Can't take that part of a Teams fight of battle out of the war . Let them go all out , Shoot Out is when they are done . Why have guys with rubber legs from the Boston Marathon trying to play , can't walk even lol !! And for my comparison to hockey , its bad enough what they've done to the NHL !! Tradition is where its at , the game was created in its natural form for a reason ! Both sports in my opinion . No disrespect just comments , I like your Treads , interesting chases ! I have yet to try the chase strategy .
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    Sorry to say Barn , I disagree , its not hockey . In soccer and especially this round of 30 min extra time , a weaker Team can go all out hoping to not run out of gas before time is finally out . Can't take that part of a Teams fight of battle out of the war . Let them go all out , Shoot Out is when they are done . Why have guys with rubber legs from the Boston Marathon trying to play , can't walk even lol !! And for my comparison to hockey , its bad enough what they've done to the NHL !! Tradition is where its at , the game was created in its natural form for a reason ! Both sports in my opinion . No disrespect just comments , I like your Treads , interesting chases ! I have yet to try the chase strategy .
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2014 - 9:20 PM ET #284

    Bigginerboy , I'm on Germany . That's it , most sees Brazil as a little weak to begin with as do I . Not a dominating powerhouse for sure . Now injuries . I feel the same about Argentina , 1-0 seems to be their game plan . I feel they could be holding something back still . But I think the Neds are too ! That conservative game vs Costa Rica almost backfired , but it again looks to be the strategy of that game ! Again it looks like they are holding back too . This Teams wants to be be able to turn it on or off at their choice . Not always possible , and not for them either , they're not that good same as Brazil or any of them . I think all Teams can be beat , but I'm on Germany , my choice to start the Tourney , I cheer for Neds always , Argentina is the biggest wild card for me because I don't think they've been pushed to be even trailing in any game ? They will play a draw all the way until the final minutes ! That it's , my thoughts .
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    Bigginerboy , I'm on Germany . That's it , most sees Brazil as a little weak to begin with as do I . Not a dominating powerhouse for sure . Now injuries . I feel the same about Argentina , 1-0 seems to be their game plan . I feel they could be holding something back still . But I think the Neds are too ! That conservative game vs Costa Rica almost backfired , but it again looks to be the strategy of that game ! Again it looks like they are holding back too . This Teams wants to be be able to turn it on or off at their choice . Not always possible , and not for them either , they're not that good same as Brazil or any of them . I think all Teams can be beat , but I'm on Germany , my choice to start the Tourney , I cheer for Neds always , Argentina is the biggest wild card for me because I don't think they've been pushed to be even trailing in any game ? They will play a draw all the way until the final minutes ! That it's , my thoughts .
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2014 - 9:35 PM ET #285

    A Final Comment . Yes I do think Argentina and Brazil impressed me as they picked up the pace and their game , got a lead and still played good to finish . Complete Victories that were worthy and deserving , but not a complete confident dominance . Colombia had a hard time overcoming the HOME FIELD EDGE ....... Maybe why the injury ???? Can't say though , Refs I thought watched out for the Home Side a bit throughout that game perhaps . Still a close game . Cheering NEDS , scared of what the Tinas might have to show vs an attacking Team . But what is the Orange Coaches Game Plan ???  Enjoy Everyone !!
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    A Final Comment . Yes I do think Argentina and Brazil impressed me as they picked up the pace and their game , got a lead and still played good to finish . Complete Victories that were worthy and deserving , but not a complete confident dominance . Colombia had a hard time overcoming the HOME FIELD EDGE ....... Maybe why the injury ???? Can't say though , Refs I thought watched out for the Home Side a bit throughout that game perhaps . Still a close game . Cheering NEDS , scared of what the Tinas might have to show vs an attacking Team . But what is the Orange Coaches Game Plan ???  Enjoy Everyone !!
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2014 - 10:01 PM ET #286

    Messi is amazing. I'll take the best player in the world with everything on the line. 1 goal is all it takes in these knockout stages it seems. Every time he gets the ball it's a scoring opportunity.
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    Messi is amazing. I'll take the best player in the world with everything on the line. 1 goal is all it takes in these knockout stages it seems. Every time he gets the ball it's a scoring opportunity.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 6, 2014 - 10:42 PM ET #287

    congratulations to the winner of the 2014 FIFA World Cup!

    Germany

     

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    congratulations to the winner of the 2014 FIFA World Cup!

    Germany

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2014 - 6:50 PM ET #288


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    Sure hope the Dutch come to play!! 4 years is a long time for redemption!!

    They have this !!

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    Sure hope the Dutch come to play!! 4 years is a long time for redemption!!

    They have this !!

     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2014 - 7:30 PM ET #289

    Argentina & Germany very interesting
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2014 - 7:40 PM ET #290

    Yes, Mac, for me its those two or nothing. But I'm anxious to hear Vans take.
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    Yes, Mac, for me its those two or nothing. But I'm anxious to hear Vans take.
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2014 - 9:42 PM ET #291

    I also want to hear vans writeup before I make my play. Master van, we are waiting patiently. ;)
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    I also want to hear vans writeup before I make my play. Master van, we are waiting patiently. ;)
     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2014 - 10:08 PM ET #292

    Quote Originally Posted by vegasrebel417:

    Anyone know why FIFA doesn't have the sudden death extra time rule anymore?

    Actually - they got rid of the golden goal - because they found that nobody would go for the golden goal.

    When there was sudden death - there was a such a risk to go forward that teams would just defend and pass it around in the defense.  They wanted to discourage that - so they made it a full 30 minutes which encourages riskier play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vegasrebel417:

    Anyone know why FIFA doesn't have the sudden death extra time rule anymore?

    Actually - they got rid of the golden goal - because they found that nobody would go for the golden goal.

    When there was sudden death - there was a such a risk to go forward that teams would just defend and pass it around in the defense.  They wanted to discourage that - so they made it a full 30 minutes which encourages riskier play.

     
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    Thanks everyone for the comments - been travelling for the last couple of days and just getting back to the thread...

    Working on write-ups now.

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    Thanks everyone for the comments - been travelling for the last couple of days and just getting back to the thread...

    Working on write-ups now.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 7, 2014 - 10:13 PM ET #294

    Updated Record after the Quarterfinals....

     

    Game Bets:

    22.5 - 27.5

    -8.84 units

     

    Futures:

    -6.5 units

     

     

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    Updated Record after the Quarterfinals....

     

    Game Bets:

    22.5 - 27.5

    -8.84 units

     

    Futures:

    -6.5 units

     

     

     
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    The WC has not been very good to me.  Thanks for those that have commented that my analysis has helped in some way - but losing money intelligently isn't as good as winning money like a moron.  That being said - sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.  This WC is clearly going to be a loser for me.  But its only 2 more years until the Euros....

    Germany / Brazil - Germany to advance -110 (3 units) - Germany came out and surprised me against France.  When I saw their line up an hour before kick off - I was nervous.  They benched Mertesacker and moved Lahm back to defense from midfield where he had been playing - and started Klose - who in the end had little impact but drew away defenders from the real problem which is the rotating German midfield.  And pretty much - that is where Germany beat France - although I have to say after watching the game 3 full times I am confused and disappointed with the French effort - and most of all - the inability to come up with a plan B.  I feel ripped off - like I didn't get my money's worth from a team that I really thought could pull it off apparently more than they did.

    So by now - these lines and these games become more and more predictable.  Kind of like the NFL playoffs - by the Championship games and SB - you kind of know what you are going to get and what the line should be - so its tough to get real value in the line - I look more for tactical edges.  And for all of the known over-publicized over-hyped reasons - I like Germany - and acknowledge that it is not very insightful to say that Neymar and Thiago Silva being out is a huge deal, and that Brazil has looked lost, and Germany pretty much the opposite.  But that is the truth, and I just don't see how overanalyzing this game does any good.

    Brazil still has been tough to break down - but the chances have been there - and against Colombia I saw panic in the last 20 minutes.  A brazil collapse with a 2 goal lead would be unheard of - but they almost pulled it off - not because of talent or anything else physical - but they was an instant panic and the smell of death after the 70th minute.  I am convinced that if the game were 10 minutes longer - we would have seen a Colombia goal.  And Brazil have not played well with the lead all tournament - they never have looked comfortable.  This for me is the exact opposite in Germany - who against the US and against France just never broke form - yes they had issues with Ghana but I look at these two teams and there is no question who I would rather have with a lead.

    Dante will come in for Thiago - which in all honesty is not a big dropoff - the guy starts for Bayern and would probably start on the other 31 teams in the WC.  But the Neymar thing is a big deal.  We have seen over an over WC sides that lack a creative midfield presence - like a basketball team without a point guard who can dribble and dish - who just pass around the perimeter until the shot clock winds down and launch a shot.  France against Germany, Belgium against Argentina - just to name a few recent examples.  Who takes over this role for Brazil?  Neymar led the WC is setting up quality chances for teammates - and he himself had 18 shots on goal and 4 goals.  Does Oscar suddenly become this guy?  I don't know.  But I do see this as a major tactical issue - Brazil is not a long ball type of team - and I just see the Germans playing with the same defense they played against France and clogging the middle and daring Brazil to beat them wide and with dribbling.

    On the other hand Germany have plenty of playmakers - and most surprisingly for me - has been the importance of their fullbacks in the offense.  Hummels has been really solid - and Lahm gets up and makes a difference in the offense.  But Germany just aren't going to change much - because they think (and rightfully so) that they can beat just about anyone playing with seemingly everyone at the same position in the same mold - it really looks like there are 8 midfielders out there at any given time with an open pass or two men making a defender have to make a decision on which to cover.  It just happens over and over with this team.

    You can argue home field - or ref bias (which is ironic that the ref allowing the game to get totally out of control is the reason Neymar is out) - but when you review the 5 games each of these teams have played so far - I find it very hard to make a case for Brazil.  Predicted final score Germany 2 Brazil 0.

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    The WC has not been very good to me.  Thanks for those that have commented that my analysis has helped in some way - but losing money intelligently isn't as good as winning money like a moron.  That being said - sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.  This WC is clearly going to be a loser for me.  But its only 2 more years until the Euros....

    Germany / Brazil - Germany to advance -110 (3 units) - Germany came out and surprised me against France.  When I saw their line up an hour before kick off - I was nervous.  They benched Mertesacker and moved Lahm back to defense from midfield where he had been playing - and started Klose - who in the end had little impact but drew away defenders from the real problem which is the rotating German midfield.  And pretty much - that is where Germany beat France - although I have to say after watching the game 3 full times I am confused and disappointed with the French effort - and most of all - the inability to come up with a plan B.  I feel ripped off - like I didn't get my money's worth from a team that I really thought could pull it off apparently more than they did.

    So by now - these lines and these games become more and more predictable.  Kind of like the NFL playoffs - by the Championship games and SB - you kind of know what you are going to get and what the line should be - so its tough to get real value in the line - I look more for tactical edges.  And for all of the known over-publicized over-hyped reasons - I like Germany - and acknowledge that it is not very insightful to say that Neymar and Thiago Silva being out is a huge deal, and that Brazil has looked lost, and Germany pretty much the opposite.  But that is the truth, and I just don't see how overanalyzing this game does any good.

    Brazil still has been tough to break down - but the chances have been there - and against Colombia I saw panic in the last 20 minutes.  A brazil collapse with a 2 goal lead would be unheard of - but they almost pulled it off - not because of talent or anything else physical - but they was an instant panic and the smell of death after the 70th minute.  I am convinced that if the game were 10 minutes longer - we would have seen a Colombia goal.  And Brazil have not played well with the lead all tournament - they never have looked comfortable.  This for me is the exact opposite in Germany - who against the US and against France just never broke form - yes they had issues with Ghana but I look at these two teams and there is no question who I would rather have with a lead.

    Dante will come in for Thiago - which in all honesty is not a big dropoff - the guy starts for Bayern and would probably start on the other 31 teams in the WC.  But the Neymar thing is a big deal.  We have seen over an over WC sides that lack a creative midfield presence - like a basketball team without a point guard who can dribble and dish - who just pass around the perimeter until the shot clock winds down and launch a shot.  France against Germany, Belgium against Argentina - just to name a few recent examples.  Who takes over this role for Brazil?  Neymar led the WC is setting up quality chances for teammates - and he himself had 18 shots on goal and 4 goals.  Does Oscar suddenly become this guy?  I don't know.  But I do see this as a major tactical issue - Brazil is not a long ball type of team - and I just see the Germans playing with the same defense they played against France and clogging the middle and daring Brazil to beat them wide and with dribbling.

    On the other hand Germany have plenty of playmakers - and most surprisingly for me - has been the importance of their fullbacks in the offense.  Hummels has been really solid - and Lahm gets up and makes a difference in the offense.  But Germany just aren't going to change much - because they think (and rightfully so) that they can beat just about anyone playing with seemingly everyone at the same position in the same mold - it really looks like there are 8 midfielders out there at any given time with an open pass or two men making a defender have to make a decision on which to cover.  It just happens over and over with this team.

    You can argue home field - or ref bias (which is ironic that the ref allowing the game to get totally out of control is the reason Neymar is out) - but when you review the 5 games each of these teams have played so far - I find it very hard to make a case for Brazil.  Predicted final score Germany 2 Brazil 0.

     
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    Sure hope the Dutch come to play!! 4 years is a long time for redemption!!

    They have this !!


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    TNT
    FIFA WORLD CUP 2014 - ODDS TO WIN
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    TNT
    FIFA WORLD CUP 2014 - ODDS TO WIN
    [47049] NETHERLANDS +2000

    75 / 1500

     

    Sure hope the Dutch come to play!! 4 years is a long time for redemption!!

    They have this !!


    You got this before the start of the WC?

    Only +380 now.

    I like your chances!

    GL!
     
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    Great write-up and analysis as usual, Van... I'm with you on Germany.     I liked the earlier move to put Klose as the striker in the French game,  and hope Loew puts the pressure on again..

    Let's end this WC on a positive note.. We have four more games to get some cash. 

     

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    Great write-up and analysis as usual, Van... I'm with you on Germany.     I liked the earlier move to put Klose as the striker in the French game,  and hope Loew puts the pressure on again..

    Let's end this WC on a positive note.. We have four more games to get some cash. 

     

     
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    Germany it is..
    Thanks van....I can speak for all of us, enough
    Though this world cup has been bad for u, I truly believe your writeups helps us a lot.
    I hope all your bettings from now with worldcup and everything else gets better.

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    Germany it is..
    Thanks van....I can speak for all of us, enough
    Though this world cup has been bad for u, I truly believe your writeups helps us a lot.
    I hope all your bettings from now with worldcup and everything else gets better.

    Bol brother.
     
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    sweet pakalolo ...

    everyone seems on Germany ...


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