CFBLMONSTER

@RSU Sports

 I will give you some insight here as I bet offshore since it began.  I had one experience where I jolted an account up to about 35 grand and had the book close down on me and got no money.  That was with doing research before and after that I stuck with what I know works.  The only book I use is SBG Global.  I have used them since they started and never had issues.  I also used BETUS at times but I don't like their payouts.  I list some things below on SBG.  In some ways they are better than mobile books.  I will still use them at times if I get deposit bonuses and have recently used them and withdrew with no issues so they are still solid.

- they will give you a deposit match (most books will).  It will have a rollover requirement.  They usually do 5-6 times which means if you put in a grand and get 100% match you will have to wager about 12K in bets before withdraw.  You can decline the bonus but its a nice thing to take.  My strategy for this is to bet it all on 1 game.  This maximizes the winnings and helps with rollover.  On an even money game in that example it would be like getting plus 300 on a straight bet.  You put in 1K and with match and winnings you would have 4K next day.  If you lose you they will always give you a reload bonus and can do it again.  

- Their odds on money line bets will be better than the mobile books.  Obviously a positive.  Live betting odds are worse and capped at 200 max.  Prop bets are max of 100 or 200.  

- Overnight lines are max bet of 250.  I hate this but they won't let you bet above that till the day of.  They usually cap at 1000 max online but you can call and place to get higher bets.  

- You have to pay for withdraws.  This stinks and is why I only put in with a deposit match.  They offer withdraws by check (3K max - costs 100) and you can do direct deposit into checking (2.5K max - 120 fee).  You can do bank wire for more but you pay for it.  This is the biggest negative for me with the online books.  With this I always withdraw once I hit rollover requirement.  I also am careful not to bet too much as I don't want a lot of money in there cause it will take time to get out.  

I am sure there are other books that are fine and possibly better but I don't like risk and I know they are a good book so I only use them.  Direct deposit into your checking for a withdraw will typically take 2-3 days so not bad.  Check is usually within a week.  

The reply by legguy69 is correct.  I recently was capped by BET365 however they aren't the only book that does this as I have been capped by several.  I did like their early payouts on NHL and MLB so my perspective is to take adv of it while you can.  If they do cap you it is frustrating but you will get your money.  It's disgusting that these books do this but it is a crooked industry and I have many stories on this topic that people probably wouldn't believe.  Good luck 

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@smellybunty

 It seems like that so far but I'm not sure that continues.  I think it depends on puck possession and if they get an offensive zone face off.  Right now if they are down 2 goals and get an off zone face off with under 4 left they consider pulling and with 1 goal once under 3 min they consider.  If they don't get that face off they wait a little longer.  With how it's going so far I definitely would not give high odds to get plus 1.5.  I think the -1.5 bets aren't bad in the playoffs in general.  More games end with a team winning by more than a goal than people would think in the playoffs.  I like the double chance with dogs instead of the plus 1.5 unless it has good odds like.  

2023: 3 goal games - goal scored in 9 of 12 games, -3.5 covered 7 times

2024: 3 goal games - goal scored in 6 of 6 games, -3.5 covered 6 times

2025: 3 goal games - goal scored in 2 of 2 games, -3.5 covered 2 times 

In watching these games I don't recall seeing empty nets scored at such a high rate so I pulled some data for the forum.  Below is data from the past 2 playoffs and this year.  I looked at the margin of the game when the goalie was actually pulled.  First table lists games at a 1 goal margin when pulled.  It shows if goal was scored and also if the -1.5 covered.  I only count 1 goalie pull per game.  So if a game is 4-2 and the team losing scores then pulls again and gives up empty I only count that as 1 game but the cover is based on final score.  Will be interesting to see if there is some regression with the 1 goal games as that number is high so far (been at least 2 EN with under 5 sec left).  Keep in mind that the books pull lines once goalie is pulled.  Not suggesting any betting on this (I did post on the 3 goal diff before) just sharing some data.  

 Tables didn't show in original post so below are numbers. 

2023: 1 goal games - goal scored in 11 of 21 games, -1.5 covered 6 times

2024: 1 goal games - goal scored in 18 of 36 games, -1.5 covered 14 times

2025: 1 goal games - goal scored in 9 of 10 games, -1.5 covered 8 times and -2.5 covered 2 times 

2023: 2 goal games - goal scored in 11 of 17 games, -2.5 covered 9 times

2024: 2 goal games - goal scored in 17 of 21 games, -2.5 covered 12 times

2025: 2 goal games - goal scored in 6 of 6 games, -2.5 covered 5 times 

@Base_Knocks

 It was.  That is why I play the first ten min score.  I at least win 200.  The line was -140 before period started.  I want to get something out of the situation and worst scenario is a quick goal like the Blues did.  That game would have gotten under -400 quicker than the Col game since the pre game total was 5.5 under -140.  That factors in so the total probably gets under -400 with 13 min left.  The best scenarios will be in elimination games.  The losing team is less likely to commit a dumb penalty since their season is on the line.  

@Base_Knocks

 Good - I'm glad you won some money.  The -3.5 was what rlovsin17 was bringing up.  This Col game was a good one to do it.  Obviously the odds are way better.  I haven't pulled the data on that so maybe I will.  For sure you would lose more bets but the money might be better since you typically can get near even odds on the bet.  You do get a decent amount of games that end up at a 4 goal or more difference in the playoffs.  I like just needing the goal as I've seen several times the team losing score.  The win % is really high on these bets as I laid out.  If the losing team doesn't commit a penalty then these bets prob win easily 95% of the time.  Every now and then you get a penalty though.  If that happens and the clock gets toward 2 min left when penalty is over the losing team prob won't pull the goalie unless its an elimination game so that is the main risk.  

@Base_Knocks

 no problem.  So this game is a good example why i do this the way i do.  If you wait till odds get to -300 or better there might be a goal before then.  I did not get to a max bet on this game as I only won about 500 as I had to give -400 and lost the first 10 min bet.  Was going to bet a couple thousand in about 30 more seconds.  Sometimes that is frustrating cause a goal is scored quickly.  The way this game was going Col is applying so much pressure there was a good chance a goal was scored before the 8 min mark.  

@Base_Knocks

 The total.  You are going for a goal.  I will lay out how I play this on Colorado.  Right now over 3.5 is -1800 in FD and goal in first 10 min of 3rd is -210.  I will wait and hope for no goal for a couple min then bet for a goal in first 10 min once line gets around -150 (i don't like -210).  I will do 300 to win 200.  If a goal is scored quickly I will wait and hope whoever scores the other team scores the next goal.  Assuming no goal I play the first 10 min score at -150.  If no goal is scored then I monitor the live total and wait till it gets around -400 - should be around the 11 min mark for a total over 3.5.  I will bet 1200 to win 300.  If no goal is scored after 10  min I will then bet to win another 500 no matter the line which should be less than -400.  I will wait another 2 min and if no goal bet I will risk another 3K.  Even if no goal is scored before the 8 min mark you have the fact Dallas will pull the goalie to fall back on and should get at least 5 min of empty net.  Then I hope Dallas doesn't commit any penalties after the 6 min  mark.  That is how I play.  So as long as there isn't a goal immediately in the 3rd I will at least win a couple hundred if 1 goal is scored in the period.  Lets say Dallas scores 5 min in - I win 200 - if Col then scores a few min later its back to 3 goals then if under -400 i bet again on over 5.5.  

@rlovsin17

 Well going back 3 years this way of betting has gone 43-5.  This is getting to the 12 min mark of the 3rd with a 3 goal diff and stopping at under 5:30 left.  All 5 losses lost because of penalties.  That is the risk.  It didn't lose last year and is 4-0 this year.  This doesn't include games that hit the 3 goal mark before the 12 min mark of the 3rd and there are a few games you could do it more than once.  Bottom line, if a game hits the 3 goal difference at any point before the 6 minute mark you are looking at 90% win prob.  Just hope for no penalty as sometimes in these games the losing team commits them and they start fighting and once that happens it can kill it.  That is why i can give -400 - and bet more if I get toward -300.  Not sure what record is in those games if you gave -3.5 - you can look if you want and see.  That most likely has a good record to.  Keep an eye on this Avs game - I'm hoping they are winning by 3 in the 3rd as it should be a good one.  

@Ufo2112

 That was the best one of the playoff - probably won't get better as Tampa scored at almost the perfect time and odds are greatly reduced cause they don't account for the pulled goalie.  If the score was 3-1 the odds would be close to -400 at that same point - pretty amazing diff considering if it was 3-1 florida probaby waits till 3:30 left to pull goalie where in this scenario down 3 you know they will pull goalie as soon as they get possession in Tampa end.  Once tampa iced it I knew they would pull the goalie but by the time you see it the line is pulled cause the books have an instant feed.  That is why I immediately bet it once the line is posted cause they were pulling the goalie quick so not a lot of time so you have to follow the live feed in the book.  That is why in these games if a team is up 2 always follow till the 5 min mark and hope the team winning scores.  

@vaas187

 Once the net is empty they pull the lines.  You have to understand how the lines are done and when teams typically pull the goalie.  If the game is on 3 goals I take it as soon as odds get around -400 (i get something on it then wait another min or so and bet more till 8 min mark).  This will give you at least 11 minutes usually which results in probably 4-5 min before the net is empty.  The line continues to drop till the net is empty but usually you won't get much better than -300 before the 8 min mark.  After 8 min if you wait then you run the risk the goalie is pulled and lines are pulled.  Keep in mind your TV feed is behind so when you actually see the goalie pulled the line has already been pulled.  If it is a 2 goal game and the team leading scores and there is at least 5 min left you will get great odds like today and you can bet the over.  Once the game gets under 3 min if the team winning scores to go up 3 you might not get the goalie pulled again.  The key to the bet is knowing you will get at least 5 min with empty net but when you place with 11 min left you also get the time to that point for a score which has happened several times this playoff.  Sometimes the team trailing by 3 will score so that is why I don't like -3.5 but its not a bad play if odds scare you. There is almost always a goal in these scenarios - nothing is 100% but this is easily in the 90 plus percent range.  If you have a team with some skill that is up 3 is almost certain there will be a goal.  The biggest risk is a dumb penalty buy the team losing - such as a 5 min major.  That will greatly hurt it so that is why nothing 100%.   

I hope someone out there bet this total at 5.5 after Tampa made it 4-1.  There was just under 6 min left and no doubt florida would pull the goalie.  I got -122 on the over after the goal.  Florida pulls goalie with about 5:30 left.  Those odds are unreal.  You can bet this 3 goal diff down to the 4 min mark but remember that they pull the totals once goalie is pulled.  Take adv of the algorithm not correcting for this.  You will never get a better bet than -122 with a goalie pulled with 5:30 left.  

@rlovsin17

 I just like to play the over cause either team can score.  Both late games did it.  I wasn't able to get down to -400 with St. Louis but played a score in first 10 min of 3rd and won.  If you wait too long you risk a score.  In 5 games now with this scenario all 5 games had a score before getting to the goalie being pulled.  That is why I do it as soon as it gets near -400.  Then maybe bet some more if it does get toward -300.  You will get at least 11 minutes and sometimes around 13 minutes which means you get 5-7 min before they will pull the goalie.  Teams down 3 become more aggressive which can lead to a goal before the goalie gets pulled.  

You will be hard pressed to find a playoff game where a team is up 3 with 10 min left where another goal isn't scored.  I don't recommend doing -3.5 because the goal could be scored by the team that pulls the goalie or they might score before they even pull the goalie like Edm did down 5-2 in game one.  So far this has happened 3 times this playoff and all 3 games had goals before the goalie pull.  Check history on this and you will find goals are almost always scored.  Biggest risk is the team getting behind committing a penalty and reducing the time.  

Another approach is if a game gets to the 3rd period with a 3 goal deficit (like LA in game one) you can also take adv. What you can do here is follow the live feed in the book and bet for a goal to be scored in first 10 min.  What I do is wait till odds get to -150 then bet something like 300 to win 200 (this means waiting till about the 18 min mark cause the pre periods odds an be around -200).  That way if a goal is scored before you get to the -400 odds you make something.  You hope to get to the -400 mark or better than I put up around 5K or more (you might even get a couple min window where if a goal is scored you win both).  I will even consider giving -500 depending on the game for a lesser amount.  Might do like 1K to win 200 then wait another minute or so and if no goal bet again at reduced odds.  Then if it gets to around -350 or better then bet a larger amount.  Scatter the bets.  

 Hope this is helpful. In certain games I will unload, such as matchups like Edm-LA.  Knowing the Oilers will pull the goalie with at least 5 min left and possibly 6 or 7 min left I take that all day long at -340.  One other point, when betting if you like a team -1.5 goals consider betting the final score to be 5-1 or 6-2.  You will get anywhere from plus 3500 to plus 6000.  Notice that in the playoffs you will get those scores a handful of times.  Since you get the goalie pulled in a 3 goal game more games land on a 4 goal deficit than you would think in the playoffs.  In 16 games there has already been 3 games land on 6-2 and one on 5-1.  Worth a 10 dollar bet to net 400 or so.  

First time posting on the NHL forum as I have only posted in college football in the past.  I want to share a betting tip for the playoffs that is very good that majority of people probably are not aware of.  Long post here but it's needed to explain and I recommend you read as this is an excellent betting tip you probably won't find elsewhere.  I hate the books so I like giving info to help bettors.  

It's in live betting only.  During the playoffs, when a game gets to a 3 goal deficit that is when it takes place and you must get to the third period for this.  The key is that in the playoffs teams will always pull the goalie down 3 goals where in the reg season they usually don't.  The live betting algorithms don't account for this so you get a decent line considering the situation.  Teams will usually pull the goalie with at least 5 min left and maybe up to around 7 min left when down 3.  This gives you a lot of time with the empty net.  Now lets look at how to implement.

The key is to look at the alt lines and wait till the total gets to around -400 or better.  Normally I am against giving large odds but this situation is too good to ignore.  When a team is up 3 you will get these odds with about 11 min left give or take a little.  To compare, look at live totals when a team is up 2 - they account for the team pulling the goalie so you won't even get under -300 till under 4 min left.  They don't adjust much for when a team is up 3.  Now, you can't wait till the goalie is pulled as all books pull the totals when this is done and their feed is instant and your live tv feed is behind.  That is why the key is to bet it when the odds get around -400 or better.  You also will get extra time so might get a goal without the goalie pull.  Last night I got -340 on LA-Edm over 7.5 with over 10 min left.  Kings scored before Edm could even pull the goalie that is why you place when you get the odds.  You won't get odds better than -300 most likely.  You could wait till about the 8 min mark and place but you risk a goal being scored while waiting and the odds won't get much better.  Continued on next post 

Week 9 Recap:  Went 5-5 and minus 3.3 stars.  In a little of a mid-season rut.  I felt A&M should have covered and have no issue with that pick.  Looking at Purdue & Mich St – those should have been games to lay off even though I felt they would cover – especially Purdue as they are turning out to be far worse than I thought even in the horrible Big Ten West. 

Total now is 41-26 and plus 31.9 stars. 

On to this week – I have felt better with totals and have more this week.  

5* Okl – Okl St Over 61

4* VT – Lou Over 47.5

4* Kansas St – Tex Under 49.5  

3* Maryland +8.5

3* Texas A&M – Miss Under 54.5

2* Okl St +6

2* Minn FH -0.5

2* NW +5.5

Not sure I will have time this week for detailed write ups.  Oklahoma game should have good pace to it and Okl St has been the top off in big 12 play with a below avg def.  Okl def has shown some cracks and might be without their def leader this week.  Louisville & VT are both balanced – both coming off dominant def performances but I think both offenses are playing well and should have some success.  Reason for Minn in FH is Newton is out for targeting – he is one of the top rated def lineman in PFF and is a future first rounder.  Illinois off a bye could work one of two ways – could be sluggish or have a great gameplan.  I like how Minn is playing and they got their def leader back last week.  Really like MD this week as I don’t think Penn St is that great on off and they haven’t been impressive in any conf game but Iowa – MD will pressure them and they have the better QB

Final Card

4* Texas A&M -15  

3.5* UCF FH -3.5

3* Lou – 5.5

3* Purdue +2.5

2.5* WV-UCF FH Over 30.5

1.5* Kansas +10, 1* Kansas FH +6,  0.5*FH ML +210

2* Wisconsin +14.5

1.5* SC – Texas A&M Under 53.5

1.5* Mich St +7

1* Purdue – Neb Under 39.5

Good luck everyone.  I might add 1 more tomorrow night

Adding 3.5* Central  Florida FH -3.5

Last week UCF had several players sick and Plumlee was receiving IV up till the game.  If you wonder why he didn’t run that is why – plus maybe still careful with the knee.  He says his knee feels fine.  Surprising they were able to stay with Okl with the virus hitting the team.  I think they will run all over WV in this one – WV giving up 5.3 ypc in conf games.  UCF has a lot of speed and is explosive in the run game going against a def that is struggling.  UCF is a much better home team and I expect them to jump on WV in this one. 

Prediction:  UCF by 14

Adding 2.5* WV – UCF FH Over 30.5

WV should be able to score some as well in this one as UCF has struggled against the run. 

Prediction: 42 pts

* Michigan St +7.5

Was on the fence for this one as I was concerned with the mindset of Mich St.  Barrow entering the portal this week had me off them but now he withdrew his name has me back on them.  A team captain leaving would have made it tough to take them as you worry about mindset.  Him coming back I think will provide some energy and that was something mentioned when reading about him talking to his teammates.  I think Mich St is a team that is better off being on the road with all the distractions.  They should have beat Rutgers and Iowa – outplayed both of them.  They have played excellent defenses so far in conference – Iowa, Mich, Rutgers, and MD.  Still their run def is only allowing 3.36 ypc and 108 ypg in conf.  They are -53 ypg and Minn is -72 ypg diff in conference.  Both blasted by Mich – toss that game.  Minn won in Iowa and Mich St outplayed Iowa as well but lost.  Turnovers have killed Mich St as they are last in the big ten at -8 and have 14 in last 4 games.  This triggered the switch to Houser but not much improvement in this area as he as 2 picks and team has 5 turnovers in his starts.  One start was at Rutgers in the rain and the other against a tremendous Mich team.  Minn is plus 5 in conf games and this is the biggest risk of the bet as Minn has been better in this area.

I think these two teams are pretty evenly matched.  Weather will be cold but looks like it should be clear.  State has held each of their last 3 opponents to 120 yds or less and under 3.6 ypc.  Even as bad as last week was Mich only ran for 120 yds and 3.53 ypc – it at least shows they won’t be run over which is what Minn likes to do. 

Prediction: Minn by 3

3* Louisville -5.5

Louisville off a bye and they have been much better at home this year.  I don’t see Leonard being healthy if he plays.  If he  is out it would make the bet even better.  Louisville has balance and they have defended the run well this year (121 ypg and 3.64 ypc allowed in conf plus held ND to 44 yds rushing).  I think Louisville controls this game and gets a nice win. 

Prediction: Louisville by 14

Adding 

3* Louisville -5.5

1.5* Mich St +7