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    KellyM_1964
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    Posted: Sep. 18, 2020 - 11:32 PM ET #351

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: Quote Originally Posted by gambleholic63: I think all Americans should take notice of how the Democrats have remained silent on the recent peace deal in the Middle East. Well not all have remained silent. Nancy Pelosi called the peace deal a distraction yesterday and attempted to turn this amazing deal and Trump accomplishment into a joke. The first peace deal in over a quarter of a century and a NPP nomination and the Dems just turn a blind eye to it while we can all go to youtube and watch NP tear up Trump's speech as speaker of the house.  Americans with more than 2 brain cells are taking notice. Democrats turn a blind eye and eagerly wait for Biden to say something without a tele-prompter.  What a joke the Democratic party has become. It's pathetic. Please don't spread the bullshit that relations will be stabilized in the region. As soon as the signing was completed, Israeli jets bombed Gaza in response to earlier attacks. This agreement isn't even a week old & you want to make it sound like the Potsdam Agreement. How about we wait awhile before reaping praise on those involved. Ditto.

     

    Let's wait awhile before judging this as a success. These countries in the Middle East and Northern Africa carry a long history of violating peace treaties and agreements.

    exactly     success is measured by actual peace ,not just signing a paper an declaring a political victory

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: Quote Originally Posted by gambleholic63: I think all Americans should take notice of how the Democrats have remained silent on the recent peace deal in the Middle East. Well not all have remained silent. Nancy Pelosi called the peace deal a distraction yesterday and attempted to turn this amazing deal and Trump accomplishment into a joke. The first peace deal in over a quarter of a century and a NPP nomination and the Dems just turn a blind eye to it while we can all go to youtube and watch NP tear up Trump's speech as speaker of the house.  Americans with more than 2 brain cells are taking notice. Democrats turn a blind eye and eagerly wait for Biden to say something without a tele-prompter.  What a joke the Democratic party has become. It's pathetic. Please don't spread the bullshit that relations will be stabilized in the region. As soon as the signing was completed, Israeli jets bombed Gaza in response to earlier attacks. This agreement isn't even a week old & you want to make it sound like the Potsdam Agreement. How about we wait awhile before reaping praise on those involved. Ditto.

     

    Let's wait awhile before judging this as a success. These countries in the Middle East and Northern Africa carry a long history of violating peace treaties and agreements.

    exactly     success is measured by actual peace ,not just signing a paper an declaring a political victory

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2020 - 1:13 AM ET #352

    Quote Originally Posted by Snorkel:

    It's absolutely astounding how you haters cannot acknowledge one single thing Trump does that benefits everyone on the planet. If the man cured cancer you would find some excuse how it's a bad thing. You can turn a major intervention with Israel into a "let's wait and see" answer. Geezus dudes, your absolute resistance for the greater good is absolute ignorance to the nth degree.  The disdain for trump brings out your self-ignorance. Tell me I'm wrong?

    Snorkel. 

    This is what you get from the Democrats on this site. Instead of applauding the deal with hope, you get pessimism. Nancy Pelosi sets the tone by dissing the peace deal as a distraction, thus making this sort of pessimistic behavior somehow acceptable. She may be 70 something years old, but she acts like a child. Her day is coming. Both Republicans and Democrats are tiring of her childish tantrums. She may just get replaced as speaker of the house. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorkel:

    It's absolutely astounding how you haters cannot acknowledge one single thing Trump does that benefits everyone on the planet. If the man cured cancer you would find some excuse how it's a bad thing. You can turn a major intervention with Israel into a "let's wait and see" answer. Geezus dudes, your absolute resistance for the greater good is absolute ignorance to the nth degree.  The disdain for trump brings out your self-ignorance. Tell me I'm wrong?

    Snorkel. 

    This is what you get from the Democrats on this site. Instead of applauding the deal with hope, you get pessimism. Nancy Pelosi sets the tone by dissing the peace deal as a distraction, thus making this sort of pessimistic behavior somehow acceptable. She may be 70 something years old, but she acts like a child. Her day is coming. Both Republicans and Democrats are tiring of her childish tantrums. She may just get replaced as speaker of the house. 

     
    KellyM_1964
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2020 - 1:39 AM ET #353

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    ...they were shooting rockets at each other right after the signing. 

    If peace results, Trump will get the credit due.

    Those signatures need to age a little bit before peace can be declared.

     

    this should be obvious to everyone . signing a paper means nothing unless peace actually happens

    should anyone get credit for a peace deal if open warfare breaks out ?

    no.

    obviously

    someone has to b really stupid to think otherwise .  really stupid

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    ...they were shooting rockets at each other right after the signing. 

    If peace results, Trump will get the credit due.

    Those signatures need to age a little bit before peace can be declared.

     

    this should be obvious to everyone . signing a paper means nothing unless peace actually happens

    should anyone get credit for a peace deal if open warfare breaks out ?

    no.

    obviously

    someone has to b really stupid to think otherwise .  really stupid

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2020 - 1:44 AM ET #354

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: Quote Originally Posted by gambleholic63: I think all Americans should take notice of how the Democrats have remained silent on the recent peace deal in the Middle East. Well not all have remained silent. Nancy Pelosi called the peace deal a distraction yesterday and attempted to turn this amazing deal and Trump accomplishment into a joke. The first peace deal in over a quarter of a century and a NPP nomination and the Dems just turn a blind eye to it while we can all go to youtube and watch NP tear up Trump's speech as speaker of the house.  Americans with more than 2 brain cells are taking notice. Democrats turn a blind eye and eagerly wait for Biden to say something without a tele-prompter.  What a joke the Democratic party has become. It's pathetic. Please don't spread the bullshit that relations will be stabilized in the region. As soon as the signing was completed, Israeli jets bombed Gaza in response to earlier attacks. This agreement isn't even a week old & you want to make it sound like the Potsdam Agreement. How about we wait awhile before reaping praise on those involved. Ditto. Let's wait awhile before judging this as a success. These countries in the Middle East and Northern Africa carry a long history of violating peace treaties and agreements.

     

    What peace?   They were already attacking each other before the damn ink was dry!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: Quote Originally Posted by gambleholic63: I think all Americans should take notice of how the Democrats have remained silent on the recent peace deal in the Middle East. Well not all have remained silent. Nancy Pelosi called the peace deal a distraction yesterday and attempted to turn this amazing deal and Trump accomplishment into a joke. The first peace deal in over a quarter of a century and a NPP nomination and the Dems just turn a blind eye to it while we can all go to youtube and watch NP tear up Trump's speech as speaker of the house.  Americans with more than 2 brain cells are taking notice. Democrats turn a blind eye and eagerly wait for Biden to say something without a tele-prompter.  What a joke the Democratic party has become. It's pathetic. Please don't spread the bullshit that relations will be stabilized in the region. As soon as the signing was completed, Israeli jets bombed Gaza in response to earlier attacks. This agreement isn't even a week old & you want to make it sound like the Potsdam Agreement. How about we wait awhile before reaping praise on those involved. Ditto. Let's wait awhile before judging this as a success. These countries in the Middle East and Northern Africa carry a long history of violating peace treaties and agreements.

     

    What peace?   They were already attacking each other before the damn ink was dry!

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2020 - 11:40 AM ET #355

    Anything resembling a possible positive gets dismissed 

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    Anything resembling a possible positive gets dismissed 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2020 - 11:52 AM ET #356

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: ...they were shooting rockets at each other right after the signing.  If peace results, Trump will get the credit due. Those signatures need to age a little bit before peace can be declared.   this should be obvious to everyone . signing a paper means nothing unless peace actually happens should anyone get credit for a peace deal if open warfare breaks out ? no. obviously someone has to b really stupid to think otherwise .  really stupid

    Agreed.   peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: ...they were shooting rockets at each other right after the signing.  If peace results, Trump will get the credit due. Those signatures need to age a little bit before peace can be declared.   this should be obvious to everyone . signing a paper means nothing unless peace actually happens should anyone get credit for a peace deal if open warfare breaks out ? no. obviously someone has to b really stupid to think otherwise .  really stupid

    Agreed.   peace_5

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2020 - 12:19 PM ET #357

    Quote Originally Posted by gambleholic63:

    Quote Originally Posted by Snorkel: It's absolutely astounding how you haters cannot acknowledge one single thing Trump does that benefits everyone on the planet. If the man cured cancer you would find some excuse how it's a bad thing. You can turn a major intervention with Israel into a "let's wait and see" answer. Geezus dudes, your absolute resistance for the greater good is absolute ignorance to the nth degree.  The disdain for trump brings out your self-ignorance. Tell me I'm wrong? Snorkel.  This is what you get from the Democrats on this site. Instead of applauding the deal with hope, you get pessimism. Nancy Pelosi sets the tone by dissing the peace deal as a distraction, thus making this sort of pessimistic behavior somehow acceptable. She may be 70 something years old, but she acts like a child. Her day is coming. Both Republicans and Democrats are tiring of her childish tantrums. She may just get replaced as speaker of the house.
    Exactly. peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by gambleholic63:

    Quote Originally Posted by Snorkel: It's absolutely astounding how you haters cannot acknowledge one single thing Trump does that benefits everyone on the planet. If the man cured cancer you would find some excuse how it's a bad thing. You can turn a major intervention with Israel into a "let's wait and see" answer. Geezus dudes, your absolute resistance for the greater good is absolute ignorance to the nth degree.  The disdain for trump brings out your self-ignorance. Tell me I'm wrong? Snorkel.  This is what you get from the Democrats on this site. Instead of applauding the deal with hope, you get pessimism. Nancy Pelosi sets the tone by dissing the peace deal as a distraction, thus making this sort of pessimistic behavior somehow acceptable. She may be 70 something years old, but she acts like a child. Her day is coming. Both Republicans and Democrats are tiring of her childish tantrums. She may just get replaced as speaker of the house.
    Exactly. peace_5

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2020 - 1:06 PM ET #358

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: Quote Originally Posted by gambleholic63: I think all Americans should take notice of how the Democrats have remained silent on the recent peace deal in the Middle East. Well not all have remained silent. Nancy Pelosi called the peace deal a distraction yesterday and attempted to turn this amazing deal and Trump accomplishment into a joke. The first peace deal in over a quarter of a century and a NPP nomination and the Dems just turn a blind eye to it while we can all go to youtube and watch NP tear up Trump's speech as speaker of the house.  Americans with more than 2 brain cells are taking notice. Democrats turn a blind eye and eagerly wait for Biden to say something without a tele-prompter.  What a joke the Democratic party has become. It's pathetic. Please don't spread the bullshit that relations will be stabilized in the region. As soon as the signing was completed, Israeli jets bombed Gaza in response to earlier attacks. This agreement isn't even a week old & you want to make it sound like the Potsdam Agreement. How about we wait awhile before reaping praise on those involved. Ditto. Let's wait awhile before judging this as a success. These countries in the Middle East and Northern Africa carry a long history of violating peace treaties and agreements.  

     

    What peace?   They were already attacking each other before the damn ink was dry!

     

    exactly  peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: Quote Originally Posted by gambleholic63: I think all Americans should take notice of how the Democrats have remained silent on the recent peace deal in the Middle East. Well not all have remained silent. Nancy Pelosi called the peace deal a distraction yesterday and attempted to turn this amazing deal and Trump accomplishment into a joke. The first peace deal in over a quarter of a century and a NPP nomination and the Dems just turn a blind eye to it while we can all go to youtube and watch NP tear up Trump's speech as speaker of the house.  Americans with more than 2 brain cells are taking notice. Democrats turn a blind eye and eagerly wait for Biden to say something without a tele-prompter.  What a joke the Democratic party has become. It's pathetic. Please don't spread the bullshit that relations will be stabilized in the region. As soon as the signing was completed, Israeli jets bombed Gaza in response to earlier attacks. This agreement isn't even a week old & you want to make it sound like the Potsdam Agreement. How about we wait awhile before reaping praise on those involved. Ditto. Let's wait awhile before judging this as a success. These countries in the Middle East and Northern Africa carry a long history of violating peace treaties and agreements.  

     

    What peace?   They were already attacking each other before the damn ink was dry!

     

    exactly  peace_5

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2020 - 9:58 PM ET #359

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    Anything resembling a possible positive gets dismissed

    Plus the fact that they act like they are in the 5th grade. It's fairly pathetic. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    Anything resembling a possible positive gets dismissed

    Plus the fact that they act like they are in the 5th grade. It's fairly pathetic. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2020 - 10:05 PM ET #360

    gamble. ..  you give them too much credit

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    gamble. ..  you give them too much credit

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2020 - 10:11 PM ET #361

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: ...they were shooting rockets at each other right after the signing.  If peace results, Trump will get the credit due. Those signatures need to age a little bit before peace can be declared.   this should be obvious to everyone . signing a paper means nothing unless peace actually happens should anyone get credit for a peace deal if open warfare breaks out ? no. obviously someone has to b really stupid to think otherwise .  really stupid Agreed.

    exactly     thumbs_up

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1: ...they were shooting rockets at each other right after the signing.  If peace results, Trump will get the credit due. Those signatures need to age a little bit before peace can be declared.   this should be obvious to everyone . signing a paper means nothing unless peace actually happens should anyone get credit for a peace deal if open warfare breaks out ? no. obviously someone has to b really stupid to think otherwise .  really stupid Agreed.

    exactly     thumbs_up

     
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    Biden is the man who led America out of the financial mess the republicans left us with after the aig collapse 

    When Americans were left broke homeless and the government retirement policies were in Jeopardy in 2008. 

    It took 8 years of steady growth and 4 years of Republican control to bankrupt this nation. Shocker old Donnie has bankrupted so many business this seems like what he was suppose to do ruin our. Care free way of life.

    Can you honestly say your better off than you were 4 years ago that he made our country great again??? Let's put a man in charge who has experience straightening out the crap republicans do when they are in charge.

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    Biden is the man who led America out of the financial mess the republicans left us with after the aig collapse 

    When Americans were left broke homeless and the government retirement policies were in Jeopardy in 2008. 

    It took 8 years of steady growth and 4 years of Republican control to bankrupt this nation. Shocker old Donnie has bankrupted so many business this seems like what he was suppose to do ruin our. Care free way of life.

    Can you honestly say your better off than you were 4 years ago that he made our country great again??? Let's put a man in charge who has experience straightening out the crap republicans do when they are in charge.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Biden is the man who led America out of the financial mess the republicans left us with after the aig collapse  When Americans were left broke homeless and the government retirement policies were in Jeopardy in 2008.  It took 8 years of steady growth and 4 years of Republican control to bankrupt this nation. Shocker old Donnie has bankrupted so many business this seems like what he was suppose to do ruin our. Care free way of life. Can you honestly say your better off than you were 4 years ago that he made our country great again??? Let's put a man in charge who has experience straightening out the crap republicans do when they are in charge.
    Yes, I can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Biden is the man who led America out of the financial mess the republicans left us with after the aig collapse  When Americans were left broke homeless and the government retirement policies were in Jeopardy in 2008.  It took 8 years of steady growth and 4 years of Republican control to bankrupt this nation. Shocker old Donnie has bankrupted so many business this seems like what he was suppose to do ruin our. Care free way of life. Can you honestly say your better off than you were 4 years ago that he made our country great again??? Let's put a man in charge who has experience straightening out the crap republicans do when they are in charge.
    Yes, I can.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Biden is the man who led America out of the financial mess the republicans left us with after the aig collapse  When Americans were left broke homeless and the government retirement policies were in Jeopardy in 2008.  It took 8 years of steady growth and 4 years of Republican control to bankrupt this nation. Shocker old Donnie has bankrupted so many business this seems like what he was suppose to do ruin our. Care free way of life. Can you honestly say your better off than you were 4 years ago that he made our country great again??? Let's put a man in charge who has experience straightening out the crap republicans do when they are in charge.
    How do you come up with biden doing anything? what businesses did

    Trump bankrupt? You just keep rambling. This country will go in the crapper if joe is elected,PERIOD. Well you say, he'll surround himself with great

    people???????? Who is that going to be? AOC, Bernie,Pelosi, God help us all. And I bet my ass YOU are doing better than you were 4 years ago but

    there is no way you'll admit it. Let me ask you this - how many small business owners are going to vote for your idiot?????????? Let me help you.

    ZERO - Any small business owner that says different is a LIAR!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Biden is the man who led America out of the financial mess the republicans left us with after the aig collapse  When Americans were left broke homeless and the government retirement policies were in Jeopardy in 2008.  It took 8 years of steady growth and 4 years of Republican control to bankrupt this nation. Shocker old Donnie has bankrupted so many business this seems like what he was suppose to do ruin our. Care free way of life. Can you honestly say your better off than you were 4 years ago that he made our country great again??? Let's put a man in charge who has experience straightening out the crap republicans do when they are in charge.
    How do you come up with biden doing anything? what businesses did

    Trump bankrupt? You just keep rambling. This country will go in the crapper if joe is elected,PERIOD. Well you say, he'll surround himself with great

    people???????? Who is that going to be? AOC, Bernie,Pelosi, God help us all. And I bet my ass YOU are doing better than you were 4 years ago but

    there is no way you'll admit it. Let me ask you this - how many small business owners are going to vote for your idiot?????????? Let me help you.

    ZERO - Any small business owner that says different is a LIAR!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorkel:

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: Biden is the man who led America out of the financial mess the republicans left us with after the aig collapse  When Americans were left broke homeless and the government retirement policies were in Jeopardy in 2008.  It took 8 years of steady growth and 4 years of Republican control to bankrupt this nation. Shocker old Donnie has bankrupted so many business this seems like what he was suppose to do ruin our. Care free way of life. Can you honestly say your better off than you were 4 years ago that he made our country great again??? Let's put a man in charge who has experience straightening out the crap republicans do when they are in charge.How do you come up with biden doing anything? what businesses did Trump bankrupt? You just keep rambling. This country will go in the crapper if joe is elected,PERIOD. Well you say, he'll surround himself with great people???????? Who is that going to be? AOC, Bernie,Pelosi, God help us all. And I bet my ass YOU are doing better than you were 4 years ago but there is no way you'll admit it. Let me ask you this - how many small business owners are going to vote for your idiot?????????? Let me help you. ZERO - Any small business owner that says different is a LIAR!

     

    fingershake

    Here's one. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorkel:

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: Biden is the man who led America out of the financial mess the republicans left us with after the aig collapse  When Americans were left broke homeless and the government retirement policies were in Jeopardy in 2008.  It took 8 years of steady growth and 4 years of Republican control to bankrupt this nation. Shocker old Donnie has bankrupted so many business this seems like what he was suppose to do ruin our. Care free way of life. Can you honestly say your better off than you were 4 years ago that he made our country great again??? Let's put a man in charge who has experience straightening out the crap republicans do when they are in charge.How do you come up with biden doing anything? what businesses did Trump bankrupt? You just keep rambling. This country will go in the crapper if joe is elected,PERIOD. Well you say, he'll surround himself with great people???????? Who is that going to be? AOC, Bernie,Pelosi, God help us all. And I bet my ass YOU are doing better than you were 4 years ago but there is no way you'll admit it. Let me ask you this - how many small business owners are going to vote for your idiot?????????? Let me help you. ZERO - Any small business owner that says different is a LIAR!

     

    fingershake

    Here's one. 

     
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    djbrow - I ain't buying it. You want to pay at least 32% (Word is it could go to 38%) on your profits versus the 21% it is now???????

                 Again, not buyin.

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    djbrow - I ain't buying it. You want to pay at least 32% (Word is it could go to 38%) on your profits versus the 21% it is now???????

                 Again, not buyin.

     
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    Obviously you don't own a small business. If you did, you would understand that corporate tax rates never apply. Small businesses (dependent upon 'C' or 'S' corps but most are 'S' corp "pass-throughs") are taxed measured as gross receipts minus expenses, with salary inclusive as expenses. Thus, the effective tax rates are measured against the overall profits. They would never be close to 32% or 38%. 

    Now, if you want to talk about how Democrats hurt such businesses by the minimum wage, paid leave, overtime, increase in unemployment benefits, or Republicans whose tax breaks for the larger corporations hurt small businesses who generally have higher cost of goods and cannot compete with such an advantage, I'm game. 

    Otherwise, go back to your partisan ramblings. 

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    Obviously you don't own a small business. If you did, you would understand that corporate tax rates never apply. Small businesses (dependent upon 'C' or 'S' corps but most are 'S' corp "pass-throughs") are taxed measured as gross receipts minus expenses, with salary inclusive as expenses. Thus, the effective tax rates are measured against the overall profits. They would never be close to 32% or 38%. 

    Now, if you want to talk about how Democrats hurt such businesses by the minimum wage, paid leave, overtime, increase in unemployment benefits, or Republicans whose tax breaks for the larger corporations hurt small businesses who generally have higher cost of goods and cannot compete with such an advantage, I'm game. 

    Otherwise, go back to your partisan ramblings. 

     
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    djbrow - I have owned a small business for 30 years - I am a "C" corporation. The effective tax rate on your overall profits is currently

                 at 21%. In the Obama era it was 32%. And yes I know all you stated. Not getting the "partisan rambling" comment. Strictly a

                 business comment. Here's my position politically- Joe's gonna raise our taxes - personal and business wise- right? So there you

                 have it - I've never debated with you before so I won't disrespect you or any opinion you have I don't agree with. Stay respectful

                 and we can have a mutual banter. 

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    djbrow - I have owned a small business for 30 years - I am a "C" corporation. The effective tax rate on your overall profits is currently

                 at 21%. In the Obama era it was 32%. And yes I know all you stated. Not getting the "partisan rambling" comment. Strictly a

                 business comment. Here's my position politically- Joe's gonna raise our taxes - personal and business wise- right? So there you

                 have it - I've never debated with you before so I won't disrespect you or any opinion you have I don't agree with. Stay respectful

                 and we can have a mutual banter. 

     
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    Fair enough. I forgive you for calling me a liar. an_cheers

    Only 6% of small businesses are 'C' corps so you hardly speak for small businesses. Your advantages are in payroll and deductions that were actually increased under Obama. The cap of 21% is applicable to you but you lost several of your deductions. 

    I am not excited for a 'D' controlled government but then again, an 'R' controlled government didn't seem to make much a difference from 2016-2018. 

     

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    Fair enough. I forgive you for calling me a liar. an_cheers

    Only 6% of small businesses are 'C' corps so you hardly speak for small businesses. Your advantages are in payroll and deductions that were actually increased under Obama. The cap of 21% is applicable to you but you lost several of your deductions. 

    I am not excited for a 'D' controlled government but then again, an 'R' controlled government didn't seem to make much a difference from 2016-2018. 

     

     
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    djbrow - what % did you pay on your profit last year? The main thing that keeps the % down are obviously major expenses (In my

                 case vehicles). This will however come back and bite me in the ass because I usually write the entire vehicle off that year versus

                 a depreciation schedule. However, my average over last ten years is between 18-24%. I have a very innovative accountant. I do

                 stand corrected on the "corporate" tax statement. But still I feel the corporate tax rate should remain at 21% do to the fact that

                 companies are reinvesting because the simply can at that rate.

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    djbrow - what % did you pay on your profit last year? The main thing that keeps the % down are obviously major expenses (In my

                 case vehicles). This will however come back and bite me in the ass because I usually write the entire vehicle off that year versus

                 a depreciation schedule. However, my average over last ten years is between 18-24%. I have a very innovative accountant. I do

                 stand corrected on the "corporate" tax statement. But still I feel the corporate tax rate should remain at 21% do to the fact that

                 companies are reinvesting because the simply can at that rate.

     
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    dj - I didn't know the 6% figure. That boggles my mind. My accountant told me "C" is a better fit for my business. What is the major

          difference between C and S. Is there a major difference? I am curious. My accountant surely explained it to me but that was decades ago

          and i can barely remember my name these days. HAHA

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    dj - I didn't know the 6% figure. That boggles my mind. My accountant told me "C" is a better fit for my business. What is the major

          difference between C and S. Is there a major difference? I am curious. My accountant surely explained it to me but that was decades ago

          and i can barely remember my name these days. HAHA

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Obviously you don't own a small business. If you did, you would understand that corporate tax rates never apply. Small businesses (dependent upon 'C' or 'S' corps but most are 'S' corp "pass-throughs") are taxed measured as gross receipts minus expenses, with salary inclusive as expenses. Thus, the effective tax rates are measured against the overall profits. They would never be close to 32% or 38%.  Now, if you want to talk about how Democrats hurt such businesses by the minimum wage, paid leave, overtime, increase in unemployment benefits, or Republicans whose tax breaks for the larger corporations hurt small businesses who generally have higher cost of goods and cannot compete with such an advantage, I'm game.  Otherwise, go back to your partisan ramblings.
    We can debate on minimum wage 1st (I don't know where you stand) My opinion is that the minimum

    wage is a necessity for small business especially and larger businesses when applicable. Example: Mcd's should not have to pay 15.00 per hour for several

    reasons- Jobs are usually for kids getting a start (Even tho the elderly are involved also) As for small business, payroll is probably the number one expense

    that has to be maintained at an appropriate level. $15.00 an hour would close alot of small business. You know when some politician says 15.oo minimum

    that it cost our business a helluva lot more than just that 15 (the 7.5% ss and med - unemployment on wages- ira distribution if you have one). that doesn't get calculated when government is screamin for 15 an hour. What say you/

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Obviously you don't own a small business. If you did, you would understand that corporate tax rates never apply. Small businesses (dependent upon 'C' or 'S' corps but most are 'S' corp "pass-throughs") are taxed measured as gross receipts minus expenses, with salary inclusive as expenses. Thus, the effective tax rates are measured against the overall profits. They would never be close to 32% or 38%.  Now, if you want to talk about how Democrats hurt such businesses by the minimum wage, paid leave, overtime, increase in unemployment benefits, or Republicans whose tax breaks for the larger corporations hurt small businesses who generally have higher cost of goods and cannot compete with such an advantage, I'm game.  Otherwise, go back to your partisan ramblings.
    We can debate on minimum wage 1st (I don't know where you stand) My opinion is that the minimum

    wage is a necessity for small business especially and larger businesses when applicable. Example: Mcd's should not have to pay 15.00 per hour for several

    reasons- Jobs are usually for kids getting a start (Even tho the elderly are involved also) As for small business, payroll is probably the number one expense

    that has to be maintained at an appropriate level. $15.00 an hour would close alot of small business. You know when some politician says 15.oo minimum

    that it cost our business a helluva lot more than just that 15 (the 7.5% ss and med - unemployment on wages- ira distribution if you have one). that doesn't get calculated when government is screamin for 15 an hour. What say you/

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Obviously you don't own a small business. If you did, you would understand that corporate tax rates never apply. Small businesses (dependent upon 'C' or 'S' corps but most are 'S' corp "pass-throughs") are taxed measured as gross receipts minus expenses, with salary inclusive as expenses. Thus, the effective tax rates are measured against the overall profits. They would never be close to 32% or 38%.  Now, if you want to talk about how Democrats hurt such businesses by the minimum wage, paid leave, overtime, increase in unemployment benefits, or Republicans whose tax breaks for the larger corporations hurt small businesses who generally have higher cost of goods and cannot compete with such an advantage, I'm game.  Otherwise, go back to your partisan ramblings.
    Secondly, the tax breaks for larger corps? I assume your business has something to do with resale?I say that do to the "cost of goods" comment. My business does not involve purchasing goods, so I really cannot say one way or the other but am interested in your situation. I assume your saying corporate can afford to buy in larger amounts so obviously discounts would apply, hence offering product at a cheaper rate. i know that I really love being my own boss. i try to treat my employees as well as possible. I keep a sharp eye on payroll because once you give the raise you can't take it back. I have an IRA set up for all, however, i can not afford insurance which i hate. My turnover rate is the lowest in the Atlantic region so i must be doing something right. What say you on this topic? 

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Obviously you don't own a small business. If you did, you would understand that corporate tax rates never apply. Small businesses (dependent upon 'C' or 'S' corps but most are 'S' corp "pass-throughs") are taxed measured as gross receipts minus expenses, with salary inclusive as expenses. Thus, the effective tax rates are measured against the overall profits. They would never be close to 32% or 38%.  Now, if you want to talk about how Democrats hurt such businesses by the minimum wage, paid leave, overtime, increase in unemployment benefits, or Republicans whose tax breaks for the larger corporations hurt small businesses who generally have higher cost of goods and cannot compete with such an advantage, I'm game.  Otherwise, go back to your partisan ramblings.
    Secondly, the tax breaks for larger corps? I assume your business has something to do with resale?I say that do to the "cost of goods" comment. My business does not involve purchasing goods, so I really cannot say one way or the other but am interested in your situation. I assume your saying corporate can afford to buy in larger amounts so obviously discounts would apply, hence offering product at a cheaper rate. i know that I really love being my own boss. i try to treat my employees as well as possible. I keep a sharp eye on payroll because once you give the raise you can't take it back. I have an IRA set up for all, however, i can not afford insurance which i hate. My turnover rate is the lowest in the Atlantic region so i must be doing something right. What say you on this topic? 

     
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    Wow, a lot there. I'm sure your accountant knows what he/she is doing in your situation so I leave that to them. The main differences between C and S deal with deductions. Cs are effectively double taxed but that matters less if salary payouts are a smaller percentage of expenses. This conceptually makes sense. For example, if a C holder wants to keep their salary at a minimum and rely on profits only, they would be assisted by the tax cap. 

    You are newer here but I have never been for an increase in minimum wage outside of cost of living as determined by GDP. The problem is that neither party seems to care that Walmarts have such an unfair advantage over small businesses. Have you ever seen a Walmart close?

    With COVID, small businesses that sell goods and restaurants, bars, etc. (not my kind of business) are faring worse than ever. They will need some innovative assistance and it would be better to pay attention to this issue rather than perpetual increases in unemployment. 

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    Wow, a lot there. I'm sure your accountant knows what he/she is doing in your situation so I leave that to them. The main differences between C and S deal with deductions. Cs are effectively double taxed but that matters less if salary payouts are a smaller percentage of expenses. This conceptually makes sense. For example, if a C holder wants to keep their salary at a minimum and rely on profits only, they would be assisted by the tax cap. 

    You are newer here but I have never been for an increase in minimum wage outside of cost of living as determined by GDP. The problem is that neither party seems to care that Walmarts have such an unfair advantage over small businesses. Have you ever seen a Walmart close?

    With COVID, small businesses that sell goods and restaurants, bars, etc. (not my kind of business) are faring worse than ever. They will need some innovative assistance and it would be better to pay attention to this issue rather than perpetual increases in unemployment. 

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Wow, a lot there. I'm sure your accountant knows what he/she is doing in your situation so I leave that to them. The main differences between C and S deal with deductions. Cs are effectively double taxed but that matters less if salary payouts are a smaller percentage of expenses. This conceptually makes sense. For example, if a C holder wants to keep their salary at a minimum and rely on profits only, they would be assisted by the tax cap.  You are newer here but I have never been for an increase in minimum wage outside of cost of living as determined by GDP. The problem is that neither party seems to care that Walmarts have such an unfair advantage over small businesses. Have you ever seen a Walmart close? With COVID, small businesses that sell goods and restaurants, bars, etc. (not my kind of business) are faring worse than ever. They will need some innovative assistance and it would be better to pay attention to this issue rather than perpetual increases in unemployment.
    I concur. Yea i did get a ramblin there. Sorry. It will

    be interesting to see if the replenishment of unemployment is going to fall on the employer (It has to doesn't it). I was lucky, my business took off due

    to Covid. no layoffs. Okay man, later, headed to the rack. Have a good night. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Wow, a lot there. I'm sure your accountant knows what he/she is doing in your situation so I leave that to them. The main differences between C and S deal with deductions. Cs are effectively double taxed but that matters less if salary payouts are a smaller percentage of expenses. This conceptually makes sense. For example, if a C holder wants to keep their salary at a minimum and rely on profits only, they would be assisted by the tax cap.  You are newer here but I have never been for an increase in minimum wage outside of cost of living as determined by GDP. The problem is that neither party seems to care that Walmarts have such an unfair advantage over small businesses. Have you ever seen a Walmart close? With COVID, small businesses that sell goods and restaurants, bars, etc. (not my kind of business) are faring worse than ever. They will need some innovative assistance and it would be better to pay attention to this issue rather than perpetual increases in unemployment.
    I concur. Yea i did get a ramblin there. Sorry. It will

    be interesting to see if the replenishment of unemployment is going to fall on the employer (It has to doesn't it). I was lucky, my business took off due

    to Covid. no layoffs. Okay man, later, headed to the rack. Have a good night. 

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