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    gambleholic63
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    Posted: Sep. 3, 2020 - 2:25 PM ET #601

    You guys are delusional. Only the stupidest of the stupid would compare two economies with one of the economies in the middle of a world-wide pandemic. My guess is that today isn't hurting you guys as much as the rest of us.....an_wink.

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    You guys are delusional. Only the stupidest of the stupid would compare two economies with one of the economies in the middle of a world-wide pandemic. My guess is that today isn't hurting you guys as much as the rest of us.....an_wink.

     
    KellyM_1964
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    Posted: Sep. 3, 2020 - 2:34 PM ET #602

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

      It is not Trump's fault when it drops a ton.

    It is only his stock market on the good days.

    I think it's quite comical how the Trump slurpers think

    he is solely responsible for success of stock market. Shows how little they truly know about trading, and that they are NOT invested in the market at all.

    thumbs_up   an_cheers  an_roll_laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

      It is not Trump's fault when it drops a ton.

    It is only his stock market on the good days.

    I think it's quite comical how the Trump slurpers think

    he is solely responsible for success of stock market. Shows how little they truly know about trading, and that they are NOT invested in the market at all.

    thumbs_up   an_cheers  an_roll_laugh

     
    fubah2
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    Posted: Sep. 3, 2020 - 2:54 PM ET #603

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by kagakuotoko: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Stock market at all time highs. It's amazing that Trump could do this while the dems are trying to destroy the country. Do what? I'm going to go ahead and answer for him. Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: The stock market thinks Joe Biden is going to win CNN Business It turns out a basket of stocks that could fare well in a Biden presidency have been outperforming the overall market. According to data from Strategas that was shared with CNN Business, a group of infrastructure, renewable energy, pro-globalization, health care and cannabis stocks are up more than 10% since early June. Meanwhile, a group of oil and fossil fuel producers, big defense contractors and bank stocks tracked by Strategas that might do better under a second Trump term is down 9% in the past three months. This is no guarantee of a Biden win. The stock market notoriously underestimated and misjudged Trump's chances against Hillary Clinton in 2016. Other experts also think Wall Street is signaling that it expects Biden to win, and that this could be a good thing for the continued economic recovery.https://tinyurl.com/y5a247h3 stock market is a fickle mistress for either side its dropping today by a lot It is not Trump's fault when it drops a ton. It is only his stock market on the good days. I think it's quite comical how the Trump slurpers think he is solely responsible for success of stock market. Shows how little they truly know about trading, and that they are NOT invested in the market at all.

     

    That seems to be the case, yep!!

     

    And Deezy....guess who  just posted to this thread after stating for the record:

     

              Joined: Jan, 2012
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              Posted: Jul. 18, 2020 - 12:25 AM ET #428

                  "OK Guys. This   will be  my  final post    in this thread. "

    I guess we now know what that person's word is supposedly worth...

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by kagakuotoko: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Stock market at all time highs. It's amazing that Trump could do this while the dems are trying to destroy the country. Do what? I'm going to go ahead and answer for him. Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: The stock market thinks Joe Biden is going to win CNN Business It turns out a basket of stocks that could fare well in a Biden presidency have been outperforming the overall market. According to data from Strategas that was shared with CNN Business, a group of infrastructure, renewable energy, pro-globalization, health care and cannabis stocks are up more than 10% since early June. Meanwhile, a group of oil and fossil fuel producers, big defense contractors and bank stocks tracked by Strategas that might do better under a second Trump term is down 9% in the past three months. This is no guarantee of a Biden win. The stock market notoriously underestimated and misjudged Trump's chances against Hillary Clinton in 2016. Other experts also think Wall Street is signaling that it expects Biden to win, and that this could be a good thing for the continued economic recovery.https://tinyurl.com/y5a247h3 stock market is a fickle mistress for either side its dropping today by a lot It is not Trump's fault when it drops a ton. It is only his stock market on the good days. I think it's quite comical how the Trump slurpers think he is solely responsible for success of stock market. Shows how little they truly know about trading, and that they are NOT invested in the market at all.

     

    That seems to be the case, yep!!

     

    And Deezy....guess who  just posted to this thread after stating for the record:

     

              Joined: Jan, 2012
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              Posted: Jul. 18, 2020 - 12:25 AM ET #428

                  "OK Guys. This   will be  my  final post    in this thread. "

    I guess we now know what that person's word is supposedly worth...

     
    KellyM_1964
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    Posted: Sep. 3, 2020 - 2:58 PM ET #604

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    And Deezy....guess who  just posted to this thread after stating for the record:             Joined: Jan, 2012          Posts:  3462          Posted: Jul. 18, 2020 - 12:25 AM ET #428              

    "OK Guys. This   will be  my  final post    in this thread. "

    I guess we now know what that person's word is supposedly worth...

     

    i can feel some lame spin coming right around the corner .   observe    an_roll_laugh

     

     

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    And Deezy....guess who  just posted to this thread after stating for the record:             Joined: Jan, 2012          Posts:  3462          Posted: Jul. 18, 2020 - 12:25 AM ET #428              

    "OK Guys. This   will be  my  final post    in this thread. "

    I guess we now know what that person's word is supposedly worth...

     

    i can feel some lame spin coming right around the corner .   observe    an_roll_laugh

     

     

     
    gambleholic63
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    Posted: Sep. 3, 2020 - 3:05 PM ET #605

    You guys got me big time!

    Nice job!

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    You guys got me big time!

    Nice job!

     
    DeezyAZ81
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    Posted: Sep. 3, 2020 - 3:11 PM ET #606

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by kagakuotoko: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Stock market at all time highs. It's amazing that Trump could do this while the dems are trying to destroy the country. Do what? I'm going to go ahead and answer for him. Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: The stock market thinks Joe Biden is going to win CNN Business It turns out a basket of stocks that could fare well in a Biden presidency have been outperforming the overall market. According to data from Strategas that was shared with CNN Business, a group of infrastructure, renewable energy, pro-globalization, health care and cannabis stocks are up more than 10% since early June. Meanwhile, a group of oil and fossil fuel producers, big defense contractors and bank stocks tracked by Strategas that might do better under a second Trump term is down 9% in the past three months. This is no guarantee of a Biden win. The stock market notoriously underestimated and misjudged Trump's chances against Hillary Clinton in 2016. Other experts also think Wall Street is signaling that it expects Biden to win, and that this could be a good thing for the continued economic recovery.https://tinyurl.com/y5a247h3 stock market is a fickle mistress for either side its dropping today by a lot It is not Trump's fault when it drops a ton. It is only his stock market on the good days. I think it's quite comical how the Trump slurpers think he is solely responsible for success of stock market. Shows how little they truly know about trading, and that they are NOT invested in the market at all.   That seems to be the case, yep!!   And Deezy....guess who  just posted to this thread after stating for the record:             Joined: Jan, 2012          Posts:  3462          Posted: Jul. 18, 2020 - 12:25 AM ET #428               "OK Guys. This   will be  my  final post    in this thread. " I guess we now know what that person's word is supposedly worth...

    Not surprising. He loves the banter, even though he acts like he hates it. an_cheers

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964: Quote Originally Posted by kagakuotoko: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG: Stock market at all time highs. It's amazing that Trump could do this while the dems are trying to destroy the country. Do what? I'm going to go ahead and answer for him. Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: The stock market thinks Joe Biden is going to win CNN Business It turns out a basket of stocks that could fare well in a Biden presidency have been outperforming the overall market. According to data from Strategas that was shared with CNN Business, a group of infrastructure, renewable energy, pro-globalization, health care and cannabis stocks are up more than 10% since early June. Meanwhile, a group of oil and fossil fuel producers, big defense contractors and bank stocks tracked by Strategas that might do better under a second Trump term is down 9% in the past three months. This is no guarantee of a Biden win. The stock market notoriously underestimated and misjudged Trump's chances against Hillary Clinton in 2016. Other experts also think Wall Street is signaling that it expects Biden to win, and that this could be a good thing for the continued economic recovery.https://tinyurl.com/y5a247h3 stock market is a fickle mistress for either side its dropping today by a lot It is not Trump's fault when it drops a ton. It is only his stock market on the good days. I think it's quite comical how the Trump slurpers think he is solely responsible for success of stock market. Shows how little they truly know about trading, and that they are NOT invested in the market at all.   That seems to be the case, yep!!   And Deezy....guess who  just posted to this thread after stating for the record:             Joined: Jan, 2012          Posts:  3462          Posted: Jul. 18, 2020 - 12:25 AM ET #428               "OK Guys. This   will be  my  final post    in this thread. " I guess we now know what that person's word is supposedly worth...

    Not surprising. He loves the banter, even though he acts like he hates it. an_cheers

     
    fubah2
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    Posted: Sep. 3, 2020 - 3:15 PM ET #607

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

      And Deezy....guess who  just posted to this thread after stating for the record:             Joined: Jan, 2012          Posts:  3462          Posted: Jul. 18, 2020 - 12:25 AM ET #428               "OK Guys. This   will be  my  final post    in this thread. " I guess we now know what that person's word is supposedly worth...

    Not surprising. He loves the banter, even though he acts like he hates it.

    And his word is evidently worth ....................... nothing.  an_roll_laugh

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

      And Deezy....guess who  just posted to this thread after stating for the record:             Joined: Jan, 2012          Posts:  3462          Posted: Jul. 18, 2020 - 12:25 AM ET #428               "OK Guys. This   will be  my  final post    in this thread. " I guess we now know what that person's word is supposedly worth...

    Not surprising. He loves the banter, even though he acts like he hates it.

    And his word is evidently worth ....................... nothing.  an_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Sep. 3, 2020 - 3:52 PM ET #608

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

    And his word is evidently worth....... nothing.

     

    From the 129 countries with at least 4 million population, USA is ranked 9th WORST !
    22 Euro countries are doing much better and only 5 *Euro countries are doing worse,
    - although the trump-regime will soon surpass Sweden in deaths per million pop.

    885  Peru
    853  Belgium

    * huge gap *

    625  Spain
    611  UK
    597  Chile
    587  Italy
    582  Brazil
    577  Sweden
    574  trump's-denialist regime; 9th WORST <--- an_light

    Stat source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

    And his word is evidently worth....... nothing.

     

    From the 129 countries with at least 4 million population, USA is ranked 9th WORST !
    22 Euro countries are doing much better and only 5 *Euro countries are doing worse,
    - although the trump-regime will soon surpass Sweden in deaths per million pop.

    885  Peru
    853  Belgium

    * huge gap *

    625  Spain
    611  UK
    597  Chile
    587  Italy
    582  Brazil
    577  Sweden
    574  trump's-denialist regime; 9th WORST <--- an_light

    Stat source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

     
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    Posted: Sep. 4, 2020 - 3:46 AM ET #609

    No, we will not have a proven effective vaccine
    for the contagion trump allowed to spread proliferously
    before election day

    Trump has consistently pressed agencies to speed up their timeline for developing
    a vaccine so he can have a vaccine victory parade by Election Day.

    But is it really possible?
    No.

    The doctors running clinical trials would know best ... and they don't think so.
    "Do the simple math," said Dr. Larry Corey of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer
    Research Center in Seattle, who is leading the team coordinating clinical trials
    for federally backed coronavirus vaccines in the US.
    "We designed the trial to get to 130, 140 endpoints seven months from
    starting the trial," Corey told CNN. "The first one started in mid-July."

    If you add seven months to mid-July, you get mid-February.

    "If you had a highly effective vaccine, maybe you'd find that five months
    from designing the trial," Corey said.

    But if you add five months to mid-July, you get mid-December.
    Source: https://tinyurl.com/y4cyqz8b

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    No, we will not have a proven effective vaccine
    for the contagion trump allowed to spread proliferously
    before election day

    Trump has consistently pressed agencies to speed up their timeline for developing
    a vaccine so he can have a vaccine victory parade by Election Day.

    But is it really possible?
    No.

    The doctors running clinical trials would know best ... and they don't think so.
    "Do the simple math," said Dr. Larry Corey of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer
    Research Center in Seattle, who is leading the team coordinating clinical trials
    for federally backed coronavirus vaccines in the US.
    "We designed the trial to get to 130, 140 endpoints seven months from
    starting the trial," Corey told CNN. "The first one started in mid-July."

    If you add seven months to mid-July, you get mid-February.

    "If you had a highly effective vaccine, maybe you'd find that five months
    from designing the trial," Corey said.

    But if you add five months to mid-July, you get mid-December.
    Source: https://tinyurl.com/y4cyqz8b

     
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    Posted: Sep. 5, 2020 - 12:20 AM ET #610

    Trump's job losses
    are the worst of any
    American president on record


    CNN Business, Fri September 4, 2020

    Trump is heading into the general election with the worst jobs numbers
    of any president, based on records that go back to World War II.
    That's not going to change in the two months between now and Election Day,
    no matter how the economy does.
    The US economy is down 4.7 million NET jobs since January 2017
    when Trump took office, according to the Labor Department.

    There are many who question whether the Trump administration's handling
    of the pandemic is responsible for deeper economic damage than
    would have taken place had the White House taken a more active role
    in fighting coronavirus.

    And even with millions being called back to work in recent months,
    there were more than 13.6 million people looking for work and
    unable to find one in the most recent reading.

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    Trump's job losses
    are the worst of any
    American president on record


    CNN Business, Fri September 4, 2020

    Trump is heading into the general election with the worst jobs numbers
    of any president, based on records that go back to World War II.
    That's not going to change in the two months between now and Election Day,
    no matter how the economy does.
    The US economy is down 4.7 million NET jobs since January 2017
    when Trump took office, according to the Labor Department.

    There are many who question whether the Trump administration's handling
    of the pandemic is responsible for deeper economic damage than
    would have taken place had the White House taken a more active role
    in fighting coronavirus.

    And even with millions being called back to work in recent months,
    there were more than 13.6 million people looking for work and
    unable to find one in the most recent reading.

     
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    1.4 million jobs this month, now under 9%..... obviously some fake news reporting...   and thats still with several democratic run states with the knee on the neck to its constitutes. 

    Reply

    1.4 million jobs this month, now under 9%..... obviously some fake news reporting...   and thats still with several democratic run states with the knee on the neck to its constitutes. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    1.4 million jobs this month, now under 9%..... obviously some fake news reporting...   and thats still with several democratic run states with the knee on the neck to its constitutes.

    All factual...

    Trump is heading into the general election with the worst jobs numbers
    of any president, based on records that go back to World War II.
    That's not going to change in the two months between now and Election Day,
    no matter how the economy does.
    The US economy is down 4.7 million NET jobs since January 2017
    when Trump took office, according to the Labor Department.

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by scooby-doos:

    1.4 million jobs this month, now under 9%..... obviously some fake news reporting...   and thats still with several democratic run states with the knee on the neck to its constitutes.

    All factual...

    Trump is heading into the general election with the worst jobs numbers
    of any president, based on records that go back to World War II.
    That's not going to change in the two months between now and Election Day,
    no matter how the economy does.
    The US economy is down 4.7 million NET jobs since January 2017
    when Trump took office, according to the Labor Department.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2020 - 2:18 PM ET #613

    Ex- GOP Sen. and Defense Secretary Hagel:
    Trump reportedly calling troops 'losers'
    is 'despicable,'    fits pattern


    USA TODAY, Sept 7

    Hagel said that while the report was based on anonymous sources, the remarks fit
    with a pattern of previous statements and actions. He cited Trump's past comments
    about the late Sen. John McCain as well as three former military general who served
    in his own Cabinet: former Secretary of Defense James Mattis, former national
    security adviser William McMaster and former White House Chief of Staff John Kelly.
    He also accused the president of using veteran and active-duty troops as political "props."

    "Let's go back and look at Mr. Trump's words himself coming out of his own mouth
    starting in 2016 with what he said about John McCain and what he continued to say
    about McCain," Hagel said. "How he degraded the service of Gen. Mattis and
    Gen. McMaster, and just recently Gen. Kelly.
    The history of this president over the last three and four years is pretty clear."

    Reply

    Ex- GOP Sen. and Defense Secretary Hagel:
    Trump reportedly calling troops 'losers'
    is 'despicable,'    fits pattern


    USA TODAY, Sept 7

    Hagel said that while the report was based on anonymous sources, the remarks fit
    with a pattern of previous statements and actions. He cited Trump's past comments
    about the late Sen. John McCain as well as three former military general who served
    in his own Cabinet: former Secretary of Defense James Mattis, former national
    security adviser William McMaster and former White House Chief of Staff John Kelly.
    He also accused the president of using veteran and active-duty troops as political "props."

    "Let's go back and look at Mr. Trump's words himself coming out of his own mouth
    starting in 2016 with what he said about John McCain and what he continued to say
    about McCain," Hagel said. "How he degraded the service of Gen. Mattis and
    Gen. McMaster, and just recently Gen. Kelly.
    The history of this president over the last three and four years is pretty clear."

     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2020 - 9:18 PM ET #614

    Military Times poll:
    Trump trails Biden by nearly 6 pts
    among ACTIVE-DUTY troops

     

    The poll, conducted earlier in August before either political party held
    its convention, appears to contradict the president's frequent boasts
    that members of the military favor him.

    The results also found that 43.1% of troops surveyed said they would
    vote for Biden if the election were held today, as opposed to 37.4%
    who said that they would vote to re-elect Trump.

    ONLY 38% of respondents say they hold a favorable view of Trump. an_light

    Trump's latest poor favorability rating further extends a trend across
    his term: In a Military Times poll from late 2019, Trump's "favorable"
    rating was about 42%. That was down from the start of his term,
    when the president rated 46% favorable and 37% unfavorable.

    Source: https://tinyurl.com/yy9v2lfy

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    Military Times poll:
    Trump trails Biden by nearly 6 pts
    among ACTIVE-DUTY troops

     

    The poll, conducted earlier in August before either political party held
    its convention, appears to contradict the president's frequent boasts
    that members of the military favor him.

    The results also found that 43.1% of troops surveyed said they would
    vote for Biden if the election were held today, as opposed to 37.4%
    who said that they would vote to re-elect Trump.

    ONLY 38% of respondents say they hold a favorable view of Trump. an_light

    Trump's latest poor favorability rating further extends a trend across
    his term: In a Military Times poll from late 2019, Trump's "favorable"
    rating was about 42%. That was down from the start of his term,
    when the president rated 46% favorable and 37% unfavorable.

    Source: https://tinyurl.com/yy9v2lfy

     
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    Posted: Sep. 7, 2020 - 10:40 PM ET #615

    an_roll_laugh wow

     

    Reply

    an_roll_laugh wow

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by undefined:

    Military Times poll:  ONLY 38% of respondents say they hold a favorable view of Trump. Trump's latest poor favorability rating further extends a trend across his term: In a Military Times poll from late 2019, Trump's "favorable" rating was about 42%. That was down from the start of his term, when the president rated 46% favorable and 37% unfavorable. Source: https://tinyurl.com/yy9v2lfy

     

    38 percent  confused

    thats even lower than the current national average from all the other polls !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by undefined:

    Military Times poll:  ONLY 38% of respondents say they hold a favorable view of Trump. Trump's latest poor favorability rating further extends a trend across his term: In a Military Times poll from late 2019, Trump's "favorable" rating was about 42%. That was down from the start of his term, when the president rated 46% favorable and 37% unfavorable. Source: https://tinyurl.com/yy9v2lfy

     

    38 percent  confused

    thats even lower than the current national average from all the other polls !!!

     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2020 - 7:37 AM ET #617

    More workers hit with pay cuts
    than in last recession, and
    stagnant wages could linger

    USA TODAY
    The layoffs and furloughs of more than 25 million U.S. workers have
    understandably fueled most of the nation’s anguish over the coronavirus
    recession. But that's not the only economic setback for workers:
    Many companies are trimming employees’ hours or wages to reduce costs
    – either instead of, or in addition to, the job cuts.
    For workers, a smaller paycheck may be a welcome alternative to losing a job,
    but economists say it still could hurt consumer spending and the economy,
    and represent an even more enduring legacy of the downturn than the layoffs.

    Reply

    More workers hit with pay cuts
    than in last recession, and
    stagnant wages could linger

    USA TODAY
    The layoffs and furloughs of more than 25 million U.S. workers have
    understandably fueled most of the nation’s anguish over the coronavirus
    recession. But that's not the only economic setback for workers:
    Many companies are trimming employees’ hours or wages to reduce costs
    – either instead of, or in addition to, the job cuts.
    For workers, a smaller paycheck may be a welcome alternative to losing a job,
    but economists say it still could hurt consumer spending and the economy,
    and represent an even more enduring legacy of the downturn than the layoffs.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Nice to see FOX News telling ALL sides of stories!!! Even the Libs can quote FOX for their gain. Great to see there is at least 1news agency out there that reports NEWS, not agenda! Let's see what else FOX reports; For the third weekend in a row a child 10yrs old or younger has been shot and killed in Chicago! Last two weekends of June have seen 111 shot and 24 murdered in the Windy City.  "We're making progress", says Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot. Eight year old boy shot and killed at Alabama Mall. CNN??  no deaths reported MSNBC?? Nope, NADA. Did have; 11,000 new cases, no masks order!!! COVID spikes linked to GOP.

    you do know fox news is registered as a news outlet?  They are registered as an entertainment network.  Thats why assclowns like unemployed failed painter hannity is on tv and all the other casts of idiots who arent journalists on that station.  People watch fox news for their nastiness because deep down thats exactly who they are.  Thats why people like trump, becuase hes a rotten nasty human and people enjoy that type of behavior

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Nice to see FOX News telling ALL sides of stories!!! Even the Libs can quote FOX for their gain. Great to see there is at least 1news agency out there that reports NEWS, not agenda! Let's see what else FOX reports; For the third weekend in a row a child 10yrs old or younger has been shot and killed in Chicago! Last two weekends of June have seen 111 shot and 24 murdered in the Windy City.  "We're making progress", says Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot. Eight year old boy shot and killed at Alabama Mall. CNN??  no deaths reported MSNBC?? Nope, NADA. Did have; 11,000 new cases, no masks order!!! COVID spikes linked to GOP.

    you do know fox news is registered as a news outlet?  They are registered as an entertainment network.  Thats why assclowns like unemployed failed painter hannity is on tv and all the other casts of idiots who arent journalists on that station.  People watch fox news for their nastiness because deep down thats exactly who they are.  Thats why people like trump, becuase hes a rotten nasty human and people enjoy that type of behavior

     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2020 - 9:46 PM ET #619

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    More workers hit with pay cuts than in last recession, and stagnant wages could linger USA TODAYThe layoffs and furloughs of more than 25 million U.S. workers have understandably fueled most of the nation’s anguish over the coronavirus recession. But that's not the only economic setback for workers: Many companies are trimming employees’ hours or wages to reduce costs – either instead of, or in addition to, the job cuts. For workers, a smaller paycheck may be a welcome alternative to losing a job, but economists say it still could hurt consumer spending and the economy, and represent an even more enduring legacy of the downturn than the layoffs.

    thats a problem not seen in employment stats . unemployment is high but even many of the employed have had hrs cut or wages cut or both slashed .  hurts those on the bottom end the most .

    trumps economy

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    More workers hit with pay cuts than in last recession, and stagnant wages could linger USA TODAYThe layoffs and furloughs of more than 25 million U.S. workers have understandably fueled most of the nation’s anguish over the coronavirus recession. But that's not the only economic setback for workers: Many companies are trimming employees’ hours or wages to reduce costs – either instead of, or in addition to, the job cuts. For workers, a smaller paycheck may be a welcome alternative to losing a job, but economists say it still could hurt consumer spending and the economy, and represent an even more enduring legacy of the downturn than the layoffs.

    thats a problem not seen in employment stats . unemployment is high but even many of the employed have had hrs cut or wages cut or both slashed .  hurts those on the bottom end the most .

    trumps economy

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2020 - 1:49 AM ET #620

    More on trump's economy:

     

    Six months of carnage and counting:
    Travel industry struggles to rebound from COVID-19

    Thousands of airline workers to lose jobs because of
    drop in travel caused by coronavirus

    The U.S. economy is projected to lose $155 billion in 2020 –
    or $425 million per day – because foreign visitors are kept
    at home by the pandemic and international travel bans,
    according to the U.S. Travel Association, a trade group.

    Summer – traditionally the most lucrative time of year for hotels –
    was not enough to get many establishments to the break-even point.

    Chip Rogers, president and CEO of the American Hotel & Lodging Association,
    painted a similarly grim picture:
    "The next 6 months are going to be brutal. There's no question about it."

     

    Reply

    More on trump's economy:

     

    Six months of carnage and counting:
    Travel industry struggles to rebound from COVID-19

    Thousands of airline workers to lose jobs because of
    drop in travel caused by coronavirus

    The U.S. economy is projected to lose $155 billion in 2020 –
    or $425 million per day – because foreign visitors are kept
    at home by the pandemic and international travel bans,
    according to the U.S. Travel Association, a trade group.

    Summer – traditionally the most lucrative time of year for hotels –
    was not enough to get many establishments to the break-even point.

    Chip Rogers, president and CEO of the American Hotel & Lodging Association,
    painted a similarly grim picture:
    "The next 6 months are going to be brutal. There's no question about it."

     

     
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    Posted: Sep. 16, 2020 - 8:15 PM ET #621

    Trump's China tariffs
    violated global trade rules,
    WTO says

    CNN
    The World Trade Organization said Tuesday that President Trump's tariffs
    on Chinese goods break international trade rules.

    The WTO sided with a complaint from China over tariffs imposed on about
    $234 billion of goods in 2018. The panel found that the tariffs violated several
    rules, including one that countries apply equal tariff rates to
    all member trading partners.
    The ruling from the WTO will have little practical effect, however --
    because the group's appeals board has too few members to operate
    after trump blocked needed appointments.

    Reply

    Trump's China tariffs
    violated global trade rules,
    WTO says

    CNN
    The World Trade Organization said Tuesday that President Trump's tariffs
    on Chinese goods break international trade rules.

    The WTO sided with a complaint from China over tariffs imposed on about
    $234 billion of goods in 2018. The panel found that the tariffs violated several
    rules, including one that countries apply equal tariff rates to
    all member trading partners.
    The ruling from the WTO will have little practical effect, however --
    because the group's appeals board has too few members to operate
    after trump blocked needed appointments.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2020 - 2:12 AM ET #622

    Trump doesn't get that a hot market
    doesn't mean  a strong economy

    Source: https://tinyurl.com/y2cv5lhg


    America's booming stock market is a "flawed yardstick"
    for measuring Main Street's recovery from the pandemic.

    But that doesn't stop President Trump from repeatedly pointing to the
    rebound on Wall Street as proof that most Americans are doing well again.

    "Stocks are owned by everybody," Trump said during Tuesday's town hall on ABC.
    "Look, we're having a tremendous thing in the stock market, and that's good for
    everybody, but people that aren't rich own stock and they have 401(k)'s."

    In truth, millions of Americans can't feel the stock market boom. an_light

    "The performance of the stock market is so disassociated with
    the economic experience of the vast majority of Americans --
    particularly the middle class. Most Americans don't really have
    much of a stake in the stock market."
                                                           - NYU professor Edward Wolff

    Reply

    Trump doesn't get that a hot market
    doesn't mean  a strong economy

    Source: https://tinyurl.com/y2cv5lhg


    America's booming stock market is a "flawed yardstick"
    for measuring Main Street's recovery from the pandemic.

    But that doesn't stop President Trump from repeatedly pointing to the
    rebound on Wall Street as proof that most Americans are doing well again.

    "Stocks are owned by everybody," Trump said during Tuesday's town hall on ABC.
    "Look, we're having a tremendous thing in the stock market, and that's good for
    everybody, but people that aren't rich own stock and they have 401(k)'s."

    In truth, millions of Americans can't feel the stock market boom. an_light

    "The performance of the stock market is so disassociated with
    the economic experience of the vast majority of Americans --
    particularly the middle class. Most Americans don't really have
    much of a stake in the stock market."
                                                           - NYU professor Edward Wolff

     
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    Posted: Sep. 17, 2020 - 4:59 PM ET #623

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    In truth, millions of Americans can't feel the stock market boom. an_light

    "The performance of the stock market is so disassociated with
    the economic experience of the vast majority of Americans --
    particularly the middle class. Most Americans don't really have
    much of a stake in the stock market."
                                                               - NYU professor Edward Wolff

     

    The rich own 87% of all stocks.

    Just over half (52%) of American families have some level of investment in the
    market, mostly through 401ks and other retirement accounts, according to the
    Pew Research Center.

    Only 14% of households are directly invested in the market.

    Rich Americans have far more skin in the stock market. That means when stocks
    go up (or down), the impact disproportionately goes to the wealthiest families.

    As of the first quarter of 2020, the wealthiest 10% of American households
    owned 87% of all stocks and mutual funds, according to the Federal Reserve.
    That's up from 82% in 2009 when the last bull market began.
    The middle class, defined as households in the 20% to 80% range of wealth,
    owned just 6.6% of stocks outstanding, according to Wolff's research.

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    In truth, millions of Americans can't feel the stock market boom. an_light

    "The performance of the stock market is so disassociated with
    the economic experience of the vast majority of Americans --
    particularly the middle class. Most Americans don't really have
    much of a stake in the stock market."
                                                               - NYU professor Edward Wolff

     

    The rich own 87% of all stocks.

    Just over half (52%) of American families have some level of investment in the
    market, mostly through 401ks and other retirement accounts, according to the
    Pew Research Center.

    Only 14% of households are directly invested in the market.

    Rich Americans have far more skin in the stock market. That means when stocks
    go up (or down), the impact disproportionately goes to the wealthiest families.

    As of the first quarter of 2020, the wealthiest 10% of American households
    owned 87% of all stocks and mutual funds, according to the Federal Reserve.
    That's up from 82% in 2009 when the last bull market began.
    The middle class, defined as households in the 20% to 80% range of wealth,
    owned just 6.6% of stocks outstanding, according to Wolff's research.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2020 - 1:55 AM ET #624

    The S&P 500 is not Main Street

    In any case, the stock market is not -- nor has it ever been -- the economy.
    The S&P 500 is not a proxy for Main Street.
    It represents the fortunes of some of the world's biggest companies,
    the ones with the most resources to get through a crisis.

    And Corporate America can keep earning gobs of money even when small
    restaurants and hardware stores on Main Street go out of business.
    The struggles of smaller companies can boost the market share of Home Depot
    and Olive Garden owner Darden Restaurants, each of which are in the S&P 500.
    At times, the stock market can feel completely disconnected from the
    fundamentals of the real economy. For example, the S&P 500 is sitting near
    record highs today even as unemployment remains elevated in the US
    and bankruptcy filings are piling up.

    Reply

    The S&P 500 is not Main Street

    In any case, the stock market is not -- nor has it ever been -- the economy.
    The S&P 500 is not a proxy for Main Street.
    It represents the fortunes of some of the world's biggest companies,
    the ones with the most resources to get through a crisis.

    And Corporate America can keep earning gobs of money even when small
    restaurants and hardware stores on Main Street go out of business.
    The struggles of smaller companies can boost the market share of Home Depot
    and Olive Garden owner Darden Restaurants, each of which are in the S&P 500.
    At times, the stock market can feel completely disconnected from the
    fundamentals of the real economy. For example, the S&P 500 is sitting near
    record highs today even as unemployment remains elevated in the US
    and bankruptcy filings are piling up.

     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 19, 2020 - 11:39 AM ET #625

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    The S&P 500 is not Main Street

    In any case, the stock market is not -- nor has it ever been -- the economy.

     

    Black households own just 1.6% of stocks

    Yet stocks are a particularly poor gauge of the financial health of average
    Americans, especially racial minorities.
    Black households own just 1.6% of stocks and mutual funds, according
    to the Fed. Hispanic families owned the same amount. By comparison,
    White households control a staggering 92% of stocks and mutual funds.

    There is also a deep divide across the education spectrum.
    Americans with no college education own just 5.4% of stocks and mutual
    funds, according to the Fed. That's down from nearly 17% in 1989.

    All of this means that the boom in the stock market is amplifying
    the inequality divide that has helped fuel unrest in the US in recent months.

    "It widens the gap between the top groups and those in the middle.
    It exacerbates wealth inequality," Wolff said.

    Reply

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    The S&P 500 is not Main Street

    In any case, the stock market is not -- nor has it ever been -- the economy.

     

    Black households own just 1.6% of stocks

    Yet stocks are a particularly poor gauge of the financial health of average
    Americans, especially racial minorities.
    Black households own just 1.6% of stocks and mutual funds, according
    to the Fed. Hispanic families owned the same amount. By comparison,
    White households control a staggering 92% of stocks and mutual funds.

    There is also a deep divide across the education spectrum.
    Americans with no college education own just 5.4% of stocks and mutual
    funds, according to the Fed. That's down from nearly 17% in 1989.

    All of this means that the boom in the stock market is amplifying
    the inequality divide that has helped fuel unrest in the US in recent months.

    "It widens the gap between the top groups and those in the middle.
    It exacerbates wealth inequality," Wolff said.

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