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    Posted: Jan. 22, 2025 - 5:53 PM ET #26

    #12 End the Russia /Ukraine War.."Before I even arrive in the Oval Office, shortly after I enter the presidency I will have the horrible war between Russia/Ukraine settled." Detroit 8/26/24  BROKEN PROMISE

    The POS didn’t end the war in Ukraine in 24 hours like he promised but he did ban rainbow flags in government buildings because you know he does have his priorities.

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    #12 End the Russia /Ukraine War.."Before I even arrive in the Oval Office, shortly after I enter the presidency I will have the horrible war between Russia/Ukraine settled." Detroit 8/26/24  BROKEN PROMISE

    The POS didn’t end the war in Ukraine in 24 hours like he promised but he did ban rainbow flags in government buildings because you know he does have his priorities.

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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2025 - 4:01 PM ET #27

    The POS finally revealed his secret plan to end the war in Ukraine and it is the same as his answer to everything - tariffs. The problem with that is the the Biden Admin has already maxed out every conceivable economic sanction against Russia. So we aren’t buying anything from them. Which means that Putin has to be laughing at Trump’s moronic post. The POS: “I’m not looking to hurt Russia. I love the Russian people, and always had a very good relationship with President Putin. All of that being said, I’m going to do Russia, whose Economy is failing, and President Putin, a very big FAVOR.”

    "Settle now, and STOP this ridiculous War! IT’S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. If we don’t make a ‘deal,’ and soon, I have no other choice but to put high levels of Taxes, Tariffs, and Sanctions on anything being sold by Russia to the US. We can do it the easy way, or the hard way  and the easy way is always better. It’s time to “MAKE A DEAL.” NO MORE LIVES SHOULD BE LOST!!!” Fake tough alpha male wannabe.

    OK so now that Putin laughed hysterically and wiped his ass with this stupid post that makes us look like clowns to the entire word. Is there a Plan B or at least a concept of a plan somewhere? This is the worst strategery since Bush Lite!

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    The POS finally revealed his secret plan to end the war in Ukraine and it is the same as his answer to everything - tariffs. The problem with that is the the Biden Admin has already maxed out every conceivable economic sanction against Russia. So we aren’t buying anything from them. Which means that Putin has to be laughing at Trump’s moronic post. The POS: “I’m not looking to hurt Russia. I love the Russian people, and always had a very good relationship with President Putin. All of that being said, I’m going to do Russia, whose Economy is failing, and President Putin, a very big FAVOR.”

    "Settle now, and STOP this ridiculous War! IT’S ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE. If we don’t make a ‘deal,’ and soon, I have no other choice but to put high levels of Taxes, Tariffs, and Sanctions on anything being sold by Russia to the US. We can do it the easy way, or the hard way  and the easy way is always better. It’s time to “MAKE A DEAL.” NO MORE LIVES SHOULD BE LOST!!!” Fake tough alpha male wannabe.

    OK so now that Putin laughed hysterically and wiped his ass with this stupid post that makes us look like clowns to the entire word. Is there a Plan B or at least a concept of a plan somewhere? This is the worst strategery since Bush Lite!

     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2025 - 8:12 PM ET #28

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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2025 - 8:44 PM ET #29

    Yeah, you better hang your hat now on that 24hr statement cause you know he will get it done.

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    Yeah, you better hang your hat now on that 24hr statement cause you know he will get it done.

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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2025 - 8:52 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by unplucked_gem:

    #5 Release all documents & redacted files from JFK's assassination. "I'm going to do it immediately, almost immediately upon entering office." Joe Rogan interview 10/25/24.

    Yup, he did. I'm not sure of it's importance & why it's being done. I realize the Warren Report had its critics but most of them are dead now & so are any witnesses. Critics have claimed the commission did a shitty job.

    Per the Miami Herald, by far our best newspaper in Florida, there are millions of documents created by the FBI, CIA & other agencies. By documents, I'm assuming they mean pages. Much of the report has been released but evidently not all of it. I don't know what people think we're going to learn... like there's a "smoking gun" or something else. Conspiracy theorists will see it as manna from heaven.

    Anyone want to explain to me why it's being done & what we may learn?

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    Quote Originally Posted by unplucked_gem:

    #5 Release all documents & redacted files from JFK's assassination. "I'm going to do it immediately, almost immediately upon entering office." Joe Rogan interview 10/25/24.

    Yup, he did. I'm not sure of it's importance & why it's being done. I realize the Warren Report had its critics but most of them are dead now & so are any witnesses. Critics have claimed the commission did a shitty job.

    Per the Miami Herald, by far our best newspaper in Florida, there are millions of documents created by the FBI, CIA & other agencies. By documents, I'm assuming they mean pages. Much of the report has been released but evidently not all of it. I don't know what people think we're going to learn... like there's a "smoking gun" or something else. Conspiracy theorists will see it as manna from heaven.

    Anyone want to explain to me why it's being done & what we may learn?

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2025 - 9:05 PM ET #31

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    Posted: Jan. 23, 2025 - 9:25 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by unplucked_gem:

    @Midnight1  "Anyone want to explain to me why it's being done & what we may learn". I dont really belive you're looking for answers here rather things to argue about or belittle minutes lingual semantics.  However: Why - 1) There were 2 attempts on his life. 2) America has amassed a classification problem and those documents are the people's.  So a tertiary reason is to fire another shot over the bow of the institutions. 3) He has previously advised in first term some of the implicated were still alive (no idea if this has changed and is a really reason or not) What we will learn - Who knows but it'll be more than what we know now 60 years later. So there you have it, two sound reasonable answers void of conspiracy theory and with few expectations.

    I've said it before. I'm not looking to argue. So you are way off base on that comment. BTW...I'm one of the few on the left that will engage with the right in here. So please don't poke the bear. 

    I think it would be absolutely shocking if we learned we killed one of our presidents. There's always been talk about the CIA & a group of Cubans being involved. And what if we find out Russia was involved. How the hell do we react to something like that?

    I'm of the frame of mind that what we don't know won't hurt us.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by unplucked_gem:

    @Midnight1  "Anyone want to explain to me why it's being done & what we may learn". I dont really belive you're looking for answers here rather things to argue about or belittle minutes lingual semantics.  However: Why - 1) There were 2 attempts on his life. 2) America has amassed a classification problem and those documents are the people's.  So a tertiary reason is to fire another shot over the bow of the institutions. 3) He has previously advised in first term some of the implicated were still alive (no idea if this has changed and is a really reason or not) What we will learn - Who knows but it'll be more than what we know now 60 years later. So there you have it, two sound reasonable answers void of conspiracy theory and with few expectations.

    I've said it before. I'm not looking to argue. So you are way off base on that comment. BTW...I'm one of the few on the left that will engage with the right in here. So please don't poke the bear. 

    I think it would be absolutely shocking if we learned we killed one of our presidents. There's always been talk about the CIA & a group of Cubans being involved. And what if we find out Russia was involved. How the hell do we react to something like that?

    I'm of the frame of mind that what we don't know won't hurt us.

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 24, 2025 - 12:33 PM ET #33

    @Midnight1

     And what if we find out Russia was involved. How the hell do we react to something like that?

     

    Do you one better, what if it is Israel that was involved ??  

    Time is a flat circle....
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    @Midnight1

     And what if we find out Russia was involved. How the hell do we react to something like that?

     

    Do you one better, what if it is Israel that was involved ??  

     
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    Posted: Jan. 24, 2025 - 1:05 PM ET #34

    @unplucked_gem

     Also releasing the files on Bobby Kennedy and MLK an_light

    Time is a flat circle....
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     Also releasing the files on Bobby Kennedy and MLK an_light

     
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    Posted: Jan. 24, 2025 - 2:21 PM ET #35

    "Breaking news".  Trump administration rolls back Biden admin. ban on menthol cigarettes.  

    Not sure if this was a pre-election promise or not, but....smoke em if you got em.  

    Time is a flat circle....
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    "Breaking news".  Trump administration rolls back Biden admin. ban on menthol cigarettes.  

    Not sure if this was a pre-election promise or not, but....smoke em if you got em.  

     
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    Posted: Jan. 24, 2025 - 8:57 PM ET #36

    kc..gotta tell this one..

    In the last race at Gulfstream today the exacta 9-10 won. #9 was KC Chief & #10 was Stroke of Midnight.

    The exacta paid $180.80 for a $2 exacta box. 

    I wasn't playing the ponies today & never saw the play. I was capping tomorrow's racing card.

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    kc..gotta tell this one..

    In the last race at Gulfstream today the exacta 9-10 won. #9 was KC Chief & #10 was Stroke of Midnight.

    The exacta paid $180.80 for a $2 exacta box. 

    I wasn't playing the ponies today & never saw the play. I was capping tomorrow's racing card.

    an_getaway an_getawayan_getaway

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2025 - 10:50 AM ET #37

    @Midnight1

     Ha nice one!  Too bad you didn't get down on that play peace_5 

    Go Chiefs!!  

    Time is a flat circle....
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    @Midnight1

     Ha nice one!  Too bad you didn't get down on that play peace_5 

    Go Chiefs!!  

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2025 - 11:15 PM ET #38

    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    4. TRUMP: “As soon as I lift my hand from the Bible as your 47th president, I will seal the border, shut down the invasion of millions and millions of people coming in, and I will instruct the heads of ICE to begin the largest deportation program in American history”

    Has anyone noticed raids in the Russian community in Brighton Beach or the Irish community in Boston or any other known European community?

    Me either!

    Speaking with Fox News’ Sean Hannity, the POS, once again, railed against “open borders with people pouring in” before insisting that he can tell some of them are “trouble” just by their “look,” which most would consider racial profiling. “Some of whom, I won’t get into it, but you can look at them and you can say, ‘Could be trouble, could be trouble."

    How about when he called them "animals who are not human?" Or maybe when he suggested the "genes" of Black and Latino migrants predisposed them to commit violent crimes. Surely all of the times the POS has lied about migrants causing a surge in violent crime in America, which is not remotely supported by violent crime data from any reputable database, and his lies about them bringing “tremendous infectious diseases" to the U.S., “poisoning the blood" of the country qualify him as a racist propagandist.

    Not enough yet?

    How about the time he explicitly said out loud that he wished the US received more white immigrants from “nice” European countries ““like Denmark, Switzerland” or “Norway?”

    Racism isn’t just an unfortunate and unintended result of mass deportation, it’s the inspiration behind it.

    I'm going to bed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    4. TRUMP: “As soon as I lift my hand from the Bible as your 47th president, I will seal the border, shut down the invasion of millions and millions of people coming in, and I will instruct the heads of ICE to begin the largest deportation program in American history”

    Has anyone noticed raids in the Russian community in Brighton Beach or the Irish community in Boston or any other known European community?

    Me either!

    Speaking with Fox News’ Sean Hannity, the POS, once again, railed against “open borders with people pouring in” before insisting that he can tell some of them are “trouble” just by their “look,” which most would consider racial profiling. “Some of whom, I won’t get into it, but you can look at them and you can say, ‘Could be trouble, could be trouble."

    How about when he called them "animals who are not human?" Or maybe when he suggested the "genes" of Black and Latino migrants predisposed them to commit violent crimes. Surely all of the times the POS has lied about migrants causing a surge in violent crime in America, which is not remotely supported by violent crime data from any reputable database, and his lies about them bringing “tremendous infectious diseases" to the U.S., “poisoning the blood" of the country qualify him as a racist propagandist.

    Not enough yet?

    How about the time he explicitly said out loud that he wished the US received more white immigrants from “nice” European countries ““like Denmark, Switzerland” or “Norway?”

    Racism isn’t just an unfortunate and unintended result of mass deportation, it’s the inspiration behind it.

    I'm going to bed.

    sleep2

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2025 - 11:46 AM ET #39

    @Midnight1

     Has anyone noticed raids in the Russian community in Brighton Beach or the Irish community in Boston or any other known European community?

     

    Honest question, but are these communities part of the illegal alien criminals currently being targeted by ICE ??  

    I mean, the Irish community in Boston has been established for over 150 years....

     

    I did see in the Biden Administrations 4 years that 1.5 million illegals were deported.  That number is consistent with the first Trump administration but I would assume this time around that number will be much higher.... 

    A quick googL search gave me the following articles:

     https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-boston-arrests-honduran-illegal-alien-charged-sex-crimes-assault-and-battery

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd6434dq7p1o

    https://cbs12.com/news/local/ice-raids-sweep-south-florida-martin-county-targeted-in-nationwide-crackdown

    Time is a flat circle....
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    @Midnight1

     Has anyone noticed raids in the Russian community in Brighton Beach or the Irish community in Boston or any other known European community?

     

    Honest question, but are these communities part of the illegal alien criminals currently being targeted by ICE ??  

    I mean, the Irish community in Boston has been established for over 150 years....

     

    I did see in the Biden Administrations 4 years that 1.5 million illegals were deported.  That number is consistent with the first Trump administration but I would assume this time around that number will be much higher.... 

    A quick googL search gave me the following articles:

     https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-boston-arrests-honduran-illegal-alien-charged-sex-crimes-assault-and-battery

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/are-cities-ice-raids-are-taking-place-rcna189390

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd6434dq7p1o

    https://cbs12.com/news/local/ice-raids-sweep-south-florida-martin-county-targeted-in-nationwide-crackdown

     
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    Over the past month we have seen an increase in Chinese migrants attempting to enter the country down here. Today 29 were captured (17 women, 9 men) in Coral Gables. Others were caught 10 days ago.

    HSI (Homeland Security Investigations) found 4 this Sunday including 3 men & 1 woman. One was already in Broward County Jail pending charges of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, unlawful carrying of a concealed weapon, discharging a firearm in public & driving with a suspended license. I don't know why but the suspended license charge made me laugh. 

    One from Jamaica was arrested on possession of oxy, display of a firearm during a felony offense & operating a motor vehicle without a license. 

    Another in Stuart, FL  was detained facing traffic related charges & had been convicted of DUI offenses.

    In South Florida ICE arrests have increased from just under 4,500 in 2021 to over 10,000 in 2024.

    ICE reported that nationwide on Sunday 956 arrests were made & 544 were detained. With 11 million more to go, I won't see the completion of this process in my lifetime.

     

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    Over the past month we have seen an increase in Chinese migrants attempting to enter the country down here. Today 29 were captured (17 women, 9 men) in Coral Gables. Others were caught 10 days ago.

    HSI (Homeland Security Investigations) found 4 this Sunday including 3 men & 1 woman. One was already in Broward County Jail pending charges of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, unlawful carrying of a concealed weapon, discharging a firearm in public & driving with a suspended license. I don't know why but the suspended license charge made me laugh. 

    One from Jamaica was arrested on possession of oxy, display of a firearm during a felony offense & operating a motor vehicle without a license. 

    Another in Stuart, FL  was detained facing traffic related charges & had been convicted of DUI offenses.

    In South Florida ICE arrests have increased from just under 4,500 in 2021 to over 10,000 in 2024.

    ICE reported that nationwide on Sunday 956 arrests were made & 544 were detained. With 11 million more to go, I won't see the completion of this process in my lifetime.

     

     
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    So much TDS going on in these here parts, and in the news media too.  Why is it ok to spew hate from one side as long as it's the same side as the judge and jury?

    I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the 'moderator' when I lay my vengeance upon thee. 

    Such a great line by Jules...aka Samuel Jackson

    There are still posters sent to the box for saying negative stuff about Biden and his administrations decisions, but the inmates are allowed to run the asylum on anything and everything Trump.  This wanted liberal utopia just keeps fading away further and further with all of this crazy hatred

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    So much TDS going on in these here parts, and in the news media too.  Why is it ok to spew hate from one side as long as it's the same side as the judge and jury?

    I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the 'moderator' when I lay my vengeance upon thee. 

    Such a great line by Jules...aka Samuel Jackson

    There are still posters sent to the box for saying negative stuff about Biden and his administrations decisions, but the inmates are allowed to run the asylum on anything and everything Trump.  This wanted liberal utopia just keeps fading away further and further with all of this crazy hatred

     
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    Panama refused to cooperate with China after Trump's threats

    Panamanian President Jose Raul Mulino, after talks with US Secretary of State Marco Rubio, said that the country's government would not extend the memorandum of understanding with China on the "One Belt— One Road" initiative.

    According to Mulino, Rubio "did not express a real threat to return the (Panama) Canal or use force." However, he said that US President Donald Trump had decided that China's presence in the canal area violated the treaty that led to the transfer of this waterway to Panama in 1999. The agreement calls for ensuring the permanent neutrality of the channel.

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    Panama refused to cooperate with China after Trump's threats

    Panamanian President Jose Raul Mulino, after talks with US Secretary of State Marco Rubio, said that the country's government would not extend the memorandum of understanding with China on the "One Belt— One Road" initiative.

    According to Mulino, Rubio "did not express a real threat to return the (Panama) Canal or use force." However, he said that US President Donald Trump had decided that China's presence in the canal area violated the treaty that led to the transfer of this waterway to Panama in 1999. The agreement calls for ensuring the permanent neutrality of the channel.

     
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     my understanding is, Trump is just trying to leverage the US navy ships to go thru free of charge.  Is this true?  who knows but it fits his logic because the US has the majority of travel thru the canal aka our % is the most cargo

    He is such a big talker, and the world stops to think when he says Boo.  It's a really big 'F around and find out' to anyone who wants to bump heads

    After these first two weeks it seems that the losing side this time around is reverting back to all they know.  Have you seen this also where you are from?

    We should be able to talk freely about these topics as this is in a friendly thread, right?  at least that was what was stated in other threads, aka don't photo bomb peace_5

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     my understanding is, Trump is just trying to leverage the US navy ships to go thru free of charge.  Is this true?  who knows but it fits his logic because the US has the majority of travel thru the canal aka our % is the most cargo

    He is such a big talker, and the world stops to think when he says Boo.  It's a really big 'F around and find out' to anyone who wants to bump heads

    After these first two weeks it seems that the losing side this time around is reverting back to all they know.  Have you seen this also where you are from?

    We should be able to talk freely about these topics as this is in a friendly thread, right?  at least that was what was stated in other threads, aka don't photo bomb peace_5

     
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    @soup-can

     my understanding is, Trump is just trying to leverage the US navy ships to go thru free of charge.  Is this true?  who knows but it fits his logic because the US has the majority of travel thru the canal aka our % is the most cargo

    I am not sure how much detail you are looking for with these questions.  But this is part of some of the things I wrote on this elsewhere:

     

    The overwhelmingly large issue is he wants Panama to not allow China to have as much ‘control’ over the canal.

    The Canal is effectively bookended by the largest ports on both ends that are owned by a Hong Kong-based company.

    The issue is that now Hong Kong is not the autonomous state that it was before.

    So, the ‘concern’ is that China—now controlling Hong Kong—could decide to disrupt traffic at any time for any reason.  The extreme case would be converting one, or both, ports into a military-style port(s).

     

    So, if there were an issue there that would slow traffic for the USA, it could be a major problem.  Nearly 50% of USA container traffic uses the Canal.  It would also hinder USA Navy movement.  This sort of concern goes back to the very beginning of the Canal.  So, now with the ‘largest’ geopolitical enemy of the USA in ‘control,’ that worry has increased.

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     my understanding is, Trump is just trying to leverage the US navy ships to go thru free of charge.  Is this true?  who knows but it fits his logic because the US has the majority of travel thru the canal aka our % is the most cargo

    I am not sure how much detail you are looking for with these questions.  But this is part of some of the things I wrote on this elsewhere:

     

    The overwhelmingly large issue is he wants Panama to not allow China to have as much ‘control’ over the canal.

    The Canal is effectively bookended by the largest ports on both ends that are owned by a Hong Kong-based company.

    The issue is that now Hong Kong is not the autonomous state that it was before.

    So, the ‘concern’ is that China—now controlling Hong Kong—could decide to disrupt traffic at any time for any reason.  The extreme case would be converting one, or both, ports into a military-style port(s).

     

    So, if there were an issue there that would slow traffic for the USA, it could be a major problem.  Nearly 50% of USA container traffic uses the Canal.  It would also hinder USA Navy movement.  This sort of concern goes back to the very beginning of the Canal.  So, now with the ‘largest’ geopolitical enemy of the USA in ‘control,’ that worry has increased.

     
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    @soup-can

     After these first two weeks it seems that the losing side this time around is reverting back to all they know.  Have you seen this also where you are from?

     

    Not as much in my location as of yet.  But all of Latin America, but especially South America, has had a huge increase in dealing with China in the last couple of decades.

    Because of the unique trade situations and potential resources for growth and development, this is not in itself a bad thing.  But when you consider the political situation, it has other concerns that may trump the trade and development of resource development.

     

    Another issue that Trump is claiming to be concerned about is the same as with Mexico—the illegals issue.  The Darien Gap is a very dangerous area to get through—not just because of the terrain, but also because of the threat of gangs, etc.  But the path for folks from South America leads through the Gap.  But if this travel is not controlled, or even ‘tacitly’ assisted, then the path for illegals is much easier.

     

    The issue is that for a while now, Venezuelans have had to ‘abandon’ their disaster of a country, along with the normal illegals from SA.

    But no other country wants these illegals in their country.  So, it is in their best interest to allow them to move on up north.

    For example, there are a lot of illegals in the countries surrounding Venezuela.  It is a huge issue in Ecuador, Colombia, Peru, etc.

    The Panamanian President actually ran on controlling the Gap.

     

    So, when they make their way to Panama, they have been waved right on through.

    Then every other country, up to Mexico, does the same.

    Trump sees this as another way to slow the illegals down.  This was a HUGE part of what he ran on.

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     After these first two weeks it seems that the losing side this time around is reverting back to all they know.  Have you seen this also where you are from?

     

    Not as much in my location as of yet.  But all of Latin America, but especially South America, has had a huge increase in dealing with China in the last couple of decades.

    Because of the unique trade situations and potential resources for growth and development, this is not in itself a bad thing.  But when you consider the political situation, it has other concerns that may trump the trade and development of resource development.

     

    Another issue that Trump is claiming to be concerned about is the same as with Mexico—the illegals issue.  The Darien Gap is a very dangerous area to get through—not just because of the terrain, but also because of the threat of gangs, etc.  But the path for folks from South America leads through the Gap.  But if this travel is not controlled, or even ‘tacitly’ assisted, then the path for illegals is much easier.

     

    The issue is that for a while now, Venezuelans have had to ‘abandon’ their disaster of a country, along with the normal illegals from SA.

    But no other country wants these illegals in their country.  So, it is in their best interest to allow them to move on up north.

    For example, there are a lot of illegals in the countries surrounding Venezuela.  It is a huge issue in Ecuador, Colombia, Peru, etc.

    The Panamanian President actually ran on controlling the Gap.

     

    So, when they make their way to Panama, they have been waved right on through.

    Then every other country, up to Mexico, does the same.

    Trump sees this as another way to slow the illegals down.  This was a HUGE part of what he ran on.

     
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    The last, and actually the least important issue, is the costs of the transit fees.  It was known when Panama took over control of the Canal they would have to make money on it.  The fees were accepted.

    But a new issue showed up in all of the Amazon basin countries this year—a drought not seen in 70 years.  This drought also affected several Central American countries.  Many countries were doing rolling power outages for several hours a day because they are run on hydroelectric dams.

    But the drought drastically slowed down the traffic through the Canal.  The treaty that is in place disallows Panama from showing any country special privileges on fees.

    But, yes, part of what Trump would like is for free use by the Navy.

    There is also some speculation that Trump would see simply obtaining control of the Canal as ‘righting’ a bad deal by Carter.

     

    But, for now, the main issue is the Chinese influence in the area, with a secondary concern of slowing down illegal immigration.

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    The last, and actually the least important issue, is the costs of the transit fees.  It was known when Panama took over control of the Canal they would have to make money on it.  The fees were accepted.

    But a new issue showed up in all of the Amazon basin countries this year—a drought not seen in 70 years.  This drought also affected several Central American countries.  Many countries were doing rolling power outages for several hours a day because they are run on hydroelectric dams.

    But the drought drastically slowed down the traffic through the Canal.  The treaty that is in place disallows Panama from showing any country special privileges on fees.

    But, yes, part of what Trump would like is for free use by the Navy.

    There is also some speculation that Trump would see simply obtaining control of the Canal as ‘righting’ a bad deal by Carter.

     

    But, for now, the main issue is the Chinese influence in the area, with a secondary concern of slowing down illegal immigration.

     
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     He is such a big talker, and the world stops to think when he says Boo.  It's a really big 'F around and find out' to anyone who wants to bump heads

    This is true.  But it is a double-edged sword at times.  It is a large part of why he won the first time and this time.  He is a NY developer and used to that negotiating environment.  He is also a brash Yankee talker.

    But he does seem to get results even in politics--even though it is not 'diplomatically' correct.  

    You see the 'concessions' from Panamanian, Mexican, and Canadian leaders a bit now.

    But when folks are not used to this tactic it catches them off guard at first.  Then they 'realize' he does have a point(s) and maybe some agreements by all sides can be good for everyone.

    peace_5

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     He is such a big talker, and the world stops to think when he says Boo.  It's a really big 'F around and find out' to anyone who wants to bump heads

    This is true.  But it is a double-edged sword at times.  It is a large part of why he won the first time and this time.  He is a NY developer and used to that negotiating environment.  He is also a brash Yankee talker.

    But he does seem to get results even in politics--even though it is not 'diplomatically' correct.  

    You see the 'concessions' from Panamanian, Mexican, and Canadian leaders a bit now.

    But when folks are not used to this tactic it catches them off guard at first.  Then they 'realize' he does have a point(s) and maybe some agreements by all sides can be good for everyone.

    peace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    @soup-can  He is such a big talker, and the world stops to think when he says Boo.  It's a really big 'F around and find out' to anyone who wants to bump heads This is true.  But it is a double-edged sword at times.  It is a large part of why he won the first time and this time.  He is a NY developer and used to that negotiating environment.  He is also a brash Yankee talker. But he does seem to get results even in politics--even though it is not 'diplomatically' correct.   You see the 'concessions' from Panamanian, Mexican, and Canadian leaders a bit now. But when folks are not used to this tactic it catches them off guard at first.  Then they 'realize' he does have a point(s) and maybe some agreements by all sides can be good for everyone.

    Well said.

    peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    @soup-can  He is such a big talker, and the world stops to think when he says Boo.  It's a really big 'F around and find out' to anyone who wants to bump heads This is true.  But it is a double-edged sword at times.  It is a large part of why he won the first time and this time.  He is a NY developer and used to that negotiating environment.  He is also a brash Yankee talker. But he does seem to get results even in politics--even though it is not 'diplomatically' correct.   You see the 'concessions' from Panamanian, Mexican, and Canadian leaders a bit now. But when folks are not used to this tactic it catches them off guard at first.  Then they 'realize' he does have a point(s) and maybe some agreements by all sides can be good for everyone.

    Well said.

    peace_5

     
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    2 weeks in: Mexico caved , Panama caved , Colombia caved , Venezuela caved ,Canada panicking , Mass deportations ,Hostages are home, DEI programs ended ,Bureaucracy slashed, FBI purges are underway, USAID funding cancelled ,Gender ideology eliminated, DOGE already saved billions ,51 intel agents lost clearance ,Border crossings drop by 93%, Reservoirs filled up in California Just to name a few developments 

    winning peace_5 

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    2 weeks in: Mexico caved , Panama caved , Colombia caved , Venezuela caved ,Canada panicking , Mass deportations ,Hostages are home, DEI programs ended ,Bureaucracy slashed, FBI purges are underway, USAID funding cancelled ,Gender ideology eliminated, DOGE already saved billions ,51 intel agents lost clearance ,Border crossings drop by 93%, Reservoirs filled up in California Just to name a few developments 

    winning peace_5 

     
     
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    regarding Canada i am sure there will be found a solution for a mutual benefit , word is Trudeau is sending 16,000 soldiers to secure the border , that is a very good move

     

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    regarding Canada i am sure there will be found a solution for a mutual benefit , word is Trudeau is sending 16,000 soldiers to secure the border , that is a very good move

     

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