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    Trump threatens tariffs on Chinese goods and liberals lose their minds.

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    StumpTownStu
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2024 - 3:04 PM ET #1

    Biden escalates a chip war with China, which has deep geopolitical implications, and results in China banning the export of key rare earth minerals to the U.S. and...

    NOTHING.

    Look, I hate China. I see them as our enemy, as every American should. I have no issue with any sitting president drawing battle lines but you can't have it both ways. Now, as in 2017, liberals act as if putting tariffs on Chinese exports is/was the worst thing that can happen. "It's essentially a tax on Americans," we heard. "You don't want to upset China," we heard. Meanwhile, for this entire time, we have been locked in a chip war with China that also involves Taiwan, which China views as their territory. Biden chose to escalate said chip war without any back up plan for the eventual ramifications. We are starting to see the fallout. This isn't cheap, Chinese made Amazon goods costing a buck more we are talking about. Rare earth minerals are essential to just about anything electronic. Not just your cellphone and TV. Defense systems. And China is the world leader in rare earth mineral mining, including owning mineral rights in other countries. The chickens are coming home to roost.

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    Biden escalates a chip war with China, which has deep geopolitical implications, and results in China banning the export of key rare earth minerals to the U.S. and...

    NOTHING.

    Look, I hate China. I see them as our enemy, as every American should. I have no issue with any sitting president drawing battle lines but you can't have it both ways. Now, as in 2017, liberals act as if putting tariffs on Chinese exports is/was the worst thing that can happen. "It's essentially a tax on Americans," we heard. "You don't want to upset China," we heard. Meanwhile, for this entire time, we have been locked in a chip war with China that also involves Taiwan, which China views as their territory. Biden chose to escalate said chip war without any back up plan for the eventual ramifications. We are starting to see the fallout. This isn't cheap, Chinese made Amazon goods costing a buck more we are talking about. Rare earth minerals are essential to just about anything electronic. Not just your cellphone and TV. Defense systems. And China is the world leader in rare earth mineral mining, including owning mineral rights in other countries. The chickens are coming home to roost.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2024 - 5:27 PM ET #2

    "China is the world leader in rare earth mineral mining, including owning mineral rights in other countries"

    This is true Stu..what we have to do now ,,,,,is stop China’s growing dominance of terrestrial mineral. The answer to this problem is on the surface of the Earth’s Moon ....there be all the rare earth ( well it would rare moon minerals ) ever needed ..We have to beat them in space ..Hence Trumps Space Force..

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    "China is the world leader in rare earth mineral mining, including owning mineral rights in other countries"

    This is true Stu..what we have to do now ,,,,,is stop China’s growing dominance of terrestrial mineral. The answer to this problem is on the surface of the Earth’s Moon ....there be all the rare earth ( well it would rare moon minerals ) ever needed ..We have to beat them in space ..Hence Trumps Space Force..

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2024 - 7:55 PM ET #3

    Elon Musk,,,,Trumps BB can get us to the Moon and back..

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    Elon Musk,,,,Trumps BB can get us to the Moon and back..

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2024 - 10:48 PM ET #4

    A few years ago NASA awarded billionaire entrepreneur Elon Musk's space company SpaceX a $2.9 billion contract to build a spacecraft to bring astronauts to the moon

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    A few years ago NASA awarded billionaire entrepreneur Elon Musk's space company SpaceX a $2.9 billion contract to build a spacecraft to bring astronauts to the moon

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2024 - 11:50 PM ET #5

    The chickens are coming home to roost.

    Reminds us of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for the 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's south side after 9/11...

    ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America, that’s in the Bible for killing innocent people,” he said in a 2003 sermon. “God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America..America’s chickens are coming home to roost,” Rev. Jeremiah Wright told his congregation. 

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    The chickens are coming home to roost.

    Reminds us of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for the 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's south side after 9/11...

    ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America, that’s in the Bible for killing innocent people,” he said in a 2003 sermon. “God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America..America’s chickens are coming home to roost,” Rev. Jeremiah Wright told his congregation. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2024 - 12:37 AM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    The chickens are coming home to roost. Reminds us of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for the 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's south side after 9/11... ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America, that’s in the Bible for killing innocent people,” he said in a 2003 sermon. “God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America..America’s chickens are coming home to roost,” Rev. Jeremiah Wright told his congregation.

    It's an old saying. It was once, somewhat famously, used by Malcolm X.

    All of this is off subject though. I wonder if any liberal, and Democrat, who has on incessantly about tariffs, or even any who haven't, I wonder if any have any opinion of this subject.

    You think tariffs will lead to inflation?? Just wait for the economic effects of China who control almost all of the earths rare earth minerals cutting us off from rare earth minerals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    The chickens are coming home to roost. Reminds us of Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for the 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's south side after 9/11... ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America, that’s in the Bible for killing innocent people,” he said in a 2003 sermon. “God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America..America’s chickens are coming home to roost,” Rev. Jeremiah Wright told his congregation.

    It's an old saying. It was once, somewhat famously, used by Malcolm X.

    All of this is off subject though. I wonder if any liberal, and Democrat, who has on incessantly about tariffs, or even any who haven't, I wonder if any have any opinion of this subject.

    You think tariffs will lead to inflation?? Just wait for the economic effects of China who control almost all of the earths rare earth minerals cutting us off from rare earth minerals.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2024 - 3:15 AM ET #7

    Malcolm X..... Malcolm Little,he lived in my home state of Michigan for awhile,,,, that's were he picked up the name Detroit Red..

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    Malcolm X..... Malcolm Little,he lived in my home state of Michigan for awhile,,,, that's were he picked up the name Detroit Red..

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2024 - 4:55 AM ET #8

    Trump trade war against China has proven to be a failure.  Higher costs for US manufacturers, higher prices for Americans, higher trade deficit, financial difficulties for farmers and net loss in US manufacturing jobs.  Nearly all economists say Trump tariffs would do more harm than good to US economy.

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    Trump trade war against China has proven to be a failure.  Higher costs for US manufacturers, higher prices for Americans, higher trade deficit, financial difficulties for farmers and net loss in US manufacturing jobs.  Nearly all economists say Trump tariffs would do more harm than good to US economy.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2024 - 10:54 AM ET #9

    Is that why Trump's 2018 tariffs are still in place? Why would such a failure be added to by Joe??

    Joe also added tariffs to facemasks. an_roll_laugh

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    Is that why Trump's 2018 tariffs are still in place? Why would such a failure be added to by Joe??

    Joe also added tariffs to facemasks. an_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2024 - 12:01 PM ET #10

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     Trump trade war against China has proven to be a failure.  

     

    .....he hasn't even taken office yet.  For a guy who can supposedly see the future you sure are wrong as hell around here on a daily basis.  

    Be better 3rd.  Be better.  

    Time is a flat circle....
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    @thirdperson

     Trump trade war against China has proven to be a failure.  

     

    .....he hasn't even taken office yet.  For a guy who can supposedly see the future you sure are wrong as hell around here on a daily basis.  

    Be better 3rd.  Be better.  

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2024 - 1:37 PM ET #11

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     This thread isn't about tariffs except for how it relates to the double standards in judgement for elected officials. Do you have anything to say about Biden  essentially escalating a cold war with China over technology and microchip manufacturing? About how China is shutting us off from rare earth minerals and the ramifications?

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    @thirdperson

     This thread isn't about tariffs except for how it relates to the double standards in judgement for elected officials. Do you have anything to say about Biden  essentially escalating a cold war with China over technology and microchip manufacturing? About how China is shutting us off from rare earth minerals and the ramifications?

     
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     That is not the point he is making, why comment like this when you know 100% what his reference point really is? Trump had and has a tariff policy as he was in office and his policy seems pretty similar to what it was before.

    To me the end consumer is the one who pays these tariffs, the end consumer is almost always the toll payer and this is no different. 

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     That is not the point he is making, why comment like this when you know 100% what his reference point really is? Trump had and has a tariff policy as he was in office and his policy seems pretty similar to what it was before.

    To me the end consumer is the one who pays these tariffs, the end consumer is almost always the toll payer and this is no different. 

     
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     Don't act like you know what the chatbot is saying. "I know 100% what his reference point really is" ???  Are you f-ing kidding me ??   GTFOH with that non-sense.  I have no clue what the hell third talks about half the time when he is regurgitating regime propaganda.  Get real dude.  JFC I didn't realize after all these years you could read minds.... 

    I can comment on what I please as long as I am following your rules, which I am..... peace homie.  

    Time is a flat circle....
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     Don't act like you know what the chatbot is saying. "I know 100% what his reference point really is" ???  Are you f-ing kidding me ??   GTFOH with that non-sense.  I have no clue what the hell third talks about half the time when he is regurgitating regime propaganda.  Get real dude.  JFC I didn't realize after all these years you could read minds.... 

    I can comment on what I please as long as I am following your rules, which I am..... peace homie.  

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2024 - 3:11 PM ET #14

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Trump trade war against China has proven to be a failure.  Higher costs for US manufacturers, higher prices for Americans, higher trade deficit, financial difficulties for farmers and net loss in US manufacturing jobs.  Nearly all economists say Trump tariffs would do more harm than good to US economy.

     

    He literally says "would do more harm than good".  NOT "did more harm than good".  This BS from you is why I have progressively found myself with no interest in responding, you pull this BS all the time then go back hiding tail tucked.... 

    A certain MOD once said, "if you don't like what they say don't respond".  Unless you want to respond in a meaningful way and not chastise and act like the holier than thou version of yourself then please take that advice.  Thanks 

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Trump trade war against China has proven to be a failure.  Higher costs for US manufacturers, higher prices for Americans, higher trade deficit, financial difficulties for farmers and net loss in US manufacturing jobs.  Nearly all economists say Trump tariffs would do more harm than good to US economy.

     

    He literally says "would do more harm than good".  NOT "did more harm than good".  This BS from you is why I have progressively found myself with no interest in responding, you pull this BS all the time then go back hiding tail tucked.... 

    A certain MOD once said, "if you don't like what they say don't respond".  Unless you want to respond in a meaningful way and not chastise and act like the holier than thou version of yourself then please take that advice.  Thanks 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2024 - 3:14 PM ET #15

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     Weak retort...and you are not keeping the rules by being combative and antagonistic. Why attack like this and make insults as you are? He is not a chat bot and I question that you had NO idea he was referencing that Trump was previously president and that he HAD a tariff policy and that he will HAVE a tariff policy, but that his past policy is highly likely to be similar to what he will pursue going forward, that you really thought he was jumping to early conclusions especially since Trump has in public multiple times SAID what his tariff policy IS going to be.

    How about try to understand instead of insult and attack? 

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    @kcblitzkrieg

     Weak retort...and you are not keeping the rules by being combative and antagonistic. Why attack like this and make insults as you are? He is not a chat bot and I question that you had NO idea he was referencing that Trump was previously president and that he HAD a tariff policy and that he will HAVE a tariff policy, but that his past policy is highly likely to be similar to what he will pursue going forward, that you really thought he was jumping to early conclusions especially since Trump has in public multiple times SAID what his tariff policy IS going to be.

    How about try to understand instead of insult and attack? 

     
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    Yes, I believe he/her/them are a chat bot. After research I believe he/her/them are from a foreign nation and not really part of the United States.

    Going back prior to COVID, 2018, 2019, there were several posts that did not properly use the english language. Lately little hints like calling soybeans, soya beans, just renforces my beliefs. Canned posts without interaction is another noticeable trait. 

    Just my 2 cents.

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    Yes, I believe he/her/them are a chat bot. After research I believe he/her/them are from a foreign nation and not really part of the United States.

    Going back prior to COVID, 2018, 2019, there were several posts that did not properly use the english language. Lately little hints like calling soybeans, soya beans, just renforces my beliefs. Canned posts without interaction is another noticeable trait. 

    Just my 2 cents.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2024 - 8:02 PM ET #17

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     Incorrect and inappropriate. Treat members with respect and consideration, there is no need for insults and attacks or slanderous comments. If you feel like making comments as you and kc did please do not post them and avoid breaking the rules.

    peace_5

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     Incorrect and inappropriate. Treat members with respect and consideration, there is no need for insults and attacks or slanderous comments. If you feel like making comments as you and kc did please do not post them and avoid breaking the rules.

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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2024 - 8:54 PM ET #18

    I find it insulting that you allow and do not reprimand the use of the word Nazi and fuhrer and the like in this forum .

    It is a disgusting comparison .

    What happened to the Jewish people is a monstrous evil and using this type of terminology to describe Trump or others today in my opinion is disrespectful to a holy degree .

    I think you should step in and do something about that .

    Do you agree that using those words is a horrifying example of disrespect to the Jewish people and the millions of deaths that they had to suffer during that time period ? 

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    I find it insulting that you allow and do not reprimand the use of the word Nazi and fuhrer and the like in this forum .

    It is a disgusting comparison .

    What happened to the Jewish people is a monstrous evil and using this type of terminology to describe Trump or others today in my opinion is disrespectful to a holy degree .

    I think you should step in and do something about that .

    Do you agree that using those words is a horrifying example of disrespect to the Jewish people and the millions of deaths that they had to suffer during that time period ? 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2024 - 9:30 PM ET #19

    If I was slanderous or insulting I would already be in the box.

    And yes, I most certainly could be wrong. Based on logical observations I lean on my conculsions.

    Also find it interesting you appear to be a spokesperson rather than the poster themselves doing the defending. 

    Again, just my 2 cents.

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    If I was slanderous or insulting I would already be in the box.

    And yes, I most certainly could be wrong. Based on logical observations I lean on my conculsions.

    Also find it interesting you appear to be a spokesperson rather than the poster themselves doing the defending. 

    Again, just my 2 cents.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2024 - 10:31 PM ET #20

    Guys, can we stay on topic?

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    Guys, can we stay on topic?

     
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    Posted: Dec. 9, 2024 - 11:48 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Guys, can we stay on topic?

    OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Guys, can we stay on topic?

    OK.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by spockgato:

    I find it insulting that you allow and do not reprimand the use of the word Nazi and fuhrer and the like in this forum . It is a disgusting comparison . What happened to the Jewish people is a monstrous evil and using this type of terminology to describe Trump or others today in my opinion is disrespectful to a holy degree . I think you should step in and do something about that . Do you agree that using those words is a horrifying example of disrespect to the Jewish people and the millions of deaths that they had to suffer during that time period ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spockgato:

    I find it insulting that you allow and do not reprimand the use of the word Nazi and fuhrer and the like in this forum . It is a disgusting comparison . What happened to the Jewish people is a monstrous evil and using this type of terminology to describe Trump or others today in my opinion is disrespectful to a holy degree . I think you should step in and do something about that . Do you agree that using those words is a horrifying example of disrespect to the Jewish people and the millions of deaths that they had to suffer during that time period ?

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    No where in here are the words "antagonistic" OR "combative" even listed. 

    Thanks for the pep talk though.  

     

     

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    https://www.covers.com/forum/guidelines

    No where in here are the words "antagonistic" OR "combative" even listed. 

    Thanks for the pep talk though.  

     

     

     
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    Pep talk, ok if that is how you saw it I guess so but the better term is warning/caution/advisement. Not interested in motivating you, this was a warning and wont be repeated again.

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     We try to give opportunities for members to know what is expected and what is reasonable, it is your choice to listen or not but when you continue and there is recourse do not be surprised with what happens after doing so.

    Pep talk, ok if that is how you saw it I guess so but the better term is warning/caution/advisement. Not interested in motivating you, this was a warning and wont be repeated again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @kcblitzkrieg  Weak retort...and you are not keeping the rules by being combative and antagonistic. Why attack like this and make insults as you are? He is not a chat bot and I question that you had NO idea he was referencing that Trump was previously president and that he HAD a tariff policy and that he will HAVE a tariff policy, but that his past policy is highly likely to be similar to what he will pursue going forward, that you really thought he was jumping to early conclusions especially since Trump has in public multiple times SAID what his tariff policy IS going to be. How about try to understand instead of insult and attack?

     

     

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    Third has literally never answered anyone's question. Every post from the bot, Third is what appears to be from a bot that has an agenda.  If you fail to see that, how can anyone trust your judgement? 

     

    You do realize anyone can click on Thirds SN, and read the first sentence of every post. 100% of the posts are just bashing Trump or about to bash Trump. This is propaganda from a programmed bot. Not fooling anyone. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    @kcblitzkrieg  Weak retort...and you are not keeping the rules by being combative and antagonistic. Why attack like this and make insults as you are? He is not a chat bot and I question that you had NO idea he was referencing that Trump was previously president and that he HAD a tariff policy and that he will HAVE a tariff policy, but that his past policy is highly likely to be similar to what he will pursue going forward, that you really thought he was jumping to early conclusions especially since Trump has in public multiple times SAID what his tariff policy IS going to be. How about try to understand instead of insult and attack?

     

     

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    Third has literally never answered anyone's question. Every post from the bot, Third is what appears to be from a bot that has an agenda.  If you fail to see that, how can anyone trust your judgement? 

     

    You do realize anyone can click on Thirds SN, and read the first sentence of every post. 100% of the posts are just bashing Trump or about to bash Trump. This is propaganda from a programmed bot. Not fooling anyone. 

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