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    Trump asks Russian pal Vladimir Putin in 2024 campaign.

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    Posted: Mar. 30, 2022 - 8:51 PM ET #1

    Traitor trump is at it again.

     https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/03/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-joe-biden-hunter-biden-dirt

    that Trump publicly appealed for Vladimir Putin, the guy currently waging a horrific war in Ukraine, to help him smear the president of the United States and his son.

    Sounds a bit like colluding with an enemy of the United States.

    Meh... What can you expect from a traitor

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    Traitor trump is at it again.

     https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/03/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-joe-biden-hunter-biden-dirt

    that Trump publicly appealed for Vladimir Putin, the guy currently waging a horrific war in Ukraine, to help him smear the president of the United States and his son.

    Sounds a bit like colluding with an enemy of the United States.

    Meh... What can you expect from a traitor

     
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    Posted: Mar. 30, 2022 - 10:41 PM ET #2

    “As long as Putin now is, not exactly a fan our country,” Trump said, “let him explain…why did the mayor of Moscow’s wife give the Bidens, both of them, $3.5 million? That’s a lot of money. She gave them $3.5 million. So now I would think Putin would know the answer to that. I think he should release it. I think we should know that answer. Now, you won’t get the answer from Ukraine, but…I think Putin now would be willing to probably give that answer. I’m sure he knows.”

    He is not a trader to our country, he is a trader to the democratic party that is the actual trader to our country !!!!

    YES, WE ALL WANT TO KNOW WHAT THAT 3.5 MILLION WAS FOR? EXCEPT VANITY FAIR. an_roll_laugh

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    “As long as Putin now is, not exactly a fan our country,” Trump said, “let him explain…why did the mayor of Moscow’s wife give the Bidens, both of them, $3.5 million? That’s a lot of money. She gave them $3.5 million. So now I would think Putin would know the answer to that. I think he should release it. I think we should know that answer. Now, you won’t get the answer from Ukraine, but…I think Putin now would be willing to probably give that answer. I’m sure he knows.”

    He is not a trader to our country, he is a trader to the democratic party that is the actual trader to our country !!!!

    YES, WE ALL WANT TO KNOW WHAT THAT 3.5 MILLION WAS FOR? EXCEPT VANITY FAIR. an_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Mar. 30, 2022 - 10:54 PM ET #3

    We are in a proxy war with Russia.

    Russia causulties are near 20,000 their troop withdrawal is a survivor retreat to be reassigned.

    Trump is engaged with the enemy. 

    While we are supplying javelin anti aircraft systems.

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    We are in a proxy war with Russia.

    Russia causulties are near 20,000 their troop withdrawal is a survivor retreat to be reassigned.

    Trump is engaged with the enemy. 

    While we are supplying javelin anti aircraft systems.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2022 - 2:31 AM ET #4

    CNN and USA today fact checks found the claim unproven that Biden received $3.5 million from wife of Russian mayor.  Neither Trump nor Senate report has provided evidence of any wrongdoing.  Hunter Biden isn't a co-founder of the firm that republicans allege to have received payment.  Obviously, a failed effort by republicans to manufacture dirt.

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    CNN and USA today fact checks found the claim unproven that Biden received $3.5 million from wife of Russian mayor.  Neither Trump nor Senate report has provided evidence of any wrongdoing.  Hunter Biden isn't a co-founder of the firm that republicans allege to have received payment.  Obviously, a failed effort by republicans to manufacture dirt.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2022 - 6:55 AM ET #5

    Hunter Biden wasn’t a co-founder of Rosemont Seneca Partners? Who told you that? 

    John Kerry’s stepson founded the company along with Hunter Biden and David Archer. Archer is a businessman and was a classmate of Kerry’s stepson. 

    Archer was convicted of fraud and conspiracy charges in 2018. 

     

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    Hunter Biden wasn’t a co-founder of Rosemont Seneca Partners? Who told you that? 

    John Kerry’s stepson founded the company along with Hunter Biden and David Archer. Archer is a businessman and was a classmate of Kerry’s stepson. 

    Archer was convicted of fraud and conspiracy charges in 2018. 

     

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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2022 - 6:59 AM ET #6

    On April 16, 2014, Vice President Biden met with his son’s business partner, Devon Archer, at the White House. Five days later, Vice President Biden visited Ukraine, and he soon after was described in the press as the “public face of the administration’s handling of Ukraine.” The day after his visit, on April 22, Archer joined the board of Burisma. Six days later, on April 28, British officials seized $23 million from the London bank accounts of Burisma’s owner, Mykola Zlochevsky. Fourteen days later, on May 12, Hunter Biden joined the board of Burisma, and over the course of the next several years, Hunter Biden and Devon Archer were paid millions of dollars from a corrupt Ukrainian oligarch for their participation on the board.

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    On April 16, 2014, Vice President Biden met with his son’s business partner, Devon Archer, at the White House. Five days later, Vice President Biden visited Ukraine, and he soon after was described in the press as the “public face of the administration’s handling of Ukraine.” The day after his visit, on April 22, Archer joined the board of Burisma. Six days later, on April 28, British officials seized $23 million from the London bank accounts of Burisma’s owner, Mykola Zlochevsky. Fourteen days later, on May 12, Hunter Biden joined the board of Burisma, and over the course of the next several years, Hunter Biden and Devon Archer were paid millions of dollars from a corrupt Ukrainian oligarch for their participation on the board.

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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2022 - 7:03 AM ET #7

    During the Obama administration, the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) approved a transaction that gave control over Henniges, an American maker of anti- vibration technologies with military applications, to a Chinese government-owned aviation company and a China-based investment firm with established ties to the Chinese government. One of the companies involved in the Henniges transaction was a billion-dollar private investment fund called Bohai Harvest RST (BHR). BHR was formed in November 2013 by a merger between the Chinese-government-linked firm Bohai Capital and a company named Rosemont Seneca Partners. Rosemont Seneca was formed in 2009 by Hunter Biden, the son of then-Vice President Joe Biden, by Chris Heinz, the stepson of former Secretary of State John Kerry, and David Archer. 

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    During the Obama administration, the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS) approved a transaction that gave control over Henniges, an American maker of anti- vibration technologies with military applications, to a Chinese government-owned aviation company and a China-based investment firm with established ties to the Chinese government. One of the companies involved in the Henniges transaction was a billion-dollar private investment fund called Bohai Harvest RST (BHR). BHR was formed in November 2013 by a merger between the Chinese-government-linked firm Bohai Capital and a company named Rosemont Seneca Partners. Rosemont Seneca was formed in 2009 by Hunter Biden, the son of then-Vice President Joe Biden, by Chris Heinz, the stepson of former Secretary of State John Kerry, and David Archer. 

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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2022 - 7:09 AM ET #8

    Acting Deputy Chief of Mission at the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv — George Kent 


    2016 email to colleagues — “The presence of Hunter Biden on the Burisma board is very awkward for all U.S. officials pushing an anticorruption agenda in Ukraine.”

     

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    Acting Deputy Chief of Mission at the U.S. Embassy in Kyiv — George Kent 


    2016 email to colleagues — “The presence of Hunter Biden on the Burisma board is very awkward for all U.S. officials pushing an anticorruption agenda in Ukraine.”

     

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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2022 - 7:12 AM ET #9

    October 2015, senior State Department official Amos Hochstein raised concerns with Vice President Biden, as well as with Hunter Biden, that Hunter Biden’s position on Burisma’s board risked undermining US policy in Ukraine.

     

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    October 2015, senior State Department official Amos Hochstein raised concerns with Vice President Biden, as well as with Hunter Biden, that Hunter Biden’s position on Burisma’s board risked undermining US policy in Ukraine.

     

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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2022 - 7:16 AM ET #10

    Former Secretary of State and Joe Biden’s “Climate Czar” John Kerry had knowledge of Hunter Biden’s role on Burisma’s board, but when asked about it at a town hall event in Nashua, N.H. on Dec. 8, 2019, Kerry falsely said, “I had no knowledge about any of that. None. No.”

     

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    Former Secretary of State and Joe Biden’s “Climate Czar” John Kerry had knowledge of Hunter Biden’s role on Burisma’s board, but when asked about it at a town hall event in Nashua, N.H. on Dec. 8, 2019, Kerry falsely said, “I had no knowledge about any of that. None. No.”

     

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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2022 - 7:20 AM ET #11

    Hunter Biden had business associations with Ye Jianming, Gongwen Dong, and other Chinese nationals linked to the Communist government and the People’s Liberation Army. Those associations resulted in millions of dollars in cash flow.

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    Hunter Biden had business associations with Ye Jianming, Gongwen Dong, and other Chinese nationals linked to the Communist government and the People’s Liberation Army. Those associations resulted in millions of dollars in cash flow.

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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2022 - 7:22 AM ET #12

    Hunter Biden paid nonresident women who were nationals of Russia or other Eastern European countries and who were linked to an “Eastern European prostitution or human trafficking ring.”

     

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    Hunter Biden paid nonresident women who were nationals of Russia or other Eastern European countries and who were linked to an “Eastern European prostitution or human trafficking ring.”

     

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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2022 - 7:44 AM ET #13

    State Department officials viewed Burisma and its owner, Zlochevsky, as corrupt. Insofar as the link between Zlochevsky and corruption was not already clear to State Department officials, in early 2015 they learned that Zlochevsky likely bribed Ukrainian prosecutors to interfere in a United Kingdom criminal proceeding against him, which was subsequently closed. In short, State Department officials’ understanding of Zlochevsky’s actions relating to the U.K. criminal case strongly influenced their perspective of him and Burisma. Below are several examples of State Department officials sharing their perspective of Zlochevsky and Burisma:


    — “Zlochevsky was viewed as corrupt, not just in Ukraine but by the USG/FBI[.]” – George Kent, Department of State, Sept. 2016

    — “We have extensive concerns about corruption in Ukraine, and we believe Mr. Zlochevsky is an example.” – Memo to then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch, Dec. 2016

    — “In the case of former Ecology Minister Mykola Zlochevsky, the U.K. authorities had seized $23 million in illicit assets that belonged to the Ukrainian people.” – Geoffrey Pyatt, then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine, Sept. 2015

    — The closing of the U.K. case against Zlochevsky was a “gross miscarriage of justice that undermined months of U.S. assistance ... after the FBI and MI5 spent months and arguably millions working to try to put together the first possible asset recover case (against former Minister of Ecology Zlochevsky)[.]” – George Kent, State Department, Aug. 2016

    — “The U.S. and U.K. were cooperating on a case to seize Zlochevsky’s corrupt assets overseas (which had passed through the U.S.).” - Geoffrey Pyatt, then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine, Dec. 2015

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    State Department officials viewed Burisma and its owner, Zlochevsky, as corrupt. Insofar as the link between Zlochevsky and corruption was not already clear to State Department officials, in early 2015 they learned that Zlochevsky likely bribed Ukrainian prosecutors to interfere in a United Kingdom criminal proceeding against him, which was subsequently closed. In short, State Department officials’ understanding of Zlochevsky’s actions relating to the U.K. criminal case strongly influenced their perspective of him and Burisma. Below are several examples of State Department officials sharing their perspective of Zlochevsky and Burisma:


    — “Zlochevsky was viewed as corrupt, not just in Ukraine but by the USG/FBI[.]” – George Kent, Department of State, Sept. 2016

    — “We have extensive concerns about corruption in Ukraine, and we believe Mr. Zlochevsky is an example.” – Memo to then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch, Dec. 2016

    — “In the case of former Ecology Minister Mykola Zlochevsky, the U.K. authorities had seized $23 million in illicit assets that belonged to the Ukrainian people.” – Geoffrey Pyatt, then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine, Sept. 2015

    — The closing of the U.K. case against Zlochevsky was a “gross miscarriage of justice that undermined months of U.S. assistance ... after the FBI and MI5 spent months and arguably millions working to try to put together the first possible asset recover case (against former Minister of Ecology Zlochevsky)[.]” – George Kent, State Department, Aug. 2016

    — “The U.S. and U.K. were cooperating on a case to seize Zlochevsky’s corrupt assets overseas (which had passed through the U.S.).” - Geoffrey Pyatt, then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine, Dec. 2015

     
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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2022 - 7:48 AM ET #14

    While we’re here … Nuland and Pyatt are the two whose bugged call was released to the public where they were talking about installing a puppet government in Ukraine in 2013 

    Isnt it interesting that all of the same names come up over and over again and as soon as Biden becomes President all hell breaks loose in Ukraine. 

    Must just be a coincidence? 

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957.amp

     

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    While we’re here … Nuland and Pyatt are the two whose bugged call was released to the public where they were talking about installing a puppet government in Ukraine in 2013 

    Isnt it interesting that all of the same names come up over and over again and as soon as Biden becomes President all hell breaks loose in Ukraine. 

    Must just be a coincidence? 

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957.amp

     

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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2022 - 7:49 AM ET #15

    These guys are out here quoting state media CNN and USA fact checks — this is the extent of their knowledge on the issue 

     

    We are not the same 

     

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    These guys are out here quoting state media CNN and USA fact checks — this is the extent of their knowledge on the issue 

     

    We are not the same 

     

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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2022 - 7:52 AM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Former Secretary of State and Joe Biden’s “Climate Czar” John Kerry had knowledge of Hunter Biden’s role on Burisma’s board, but when asked about it at a town hall event in Nashua, N.H. on Dec. 8, 2019, Kerry falsely said, “I had no knowledge about any of that. None. No.”

    If you want me to prove this just ask. 

    It makes complete sense that corrupt Biden would create a massive position for his corrupt friend Kerry. 

    an_laughClimate Czar 

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Former Secretary of State and Joe Biden’s “Climate Czar” John Kerry had knowledge of Hunter Biden’s role on Burisma’s board, but when asked about it at a town hall event in Nashua, N.H. on Dec. 8, 2019, Kerry falsely said, “I had no knowledge about any of that. None. No.”

    If you want me to prove this just ask. 

    It makes complete sense that corrupt Biden would create a massive position for his corrupt friend Kerry. 

    an_laughClimate Czar 

     
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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2022 - 7:58 AM ET #17

    Heinz freaked out when Hunter and Archer joined the board of Burisma. His ties (Rosemont Seneca) were so strong that he was emailing the state department to assure his stepfather that he wasn't investing in Burisma or joining the board even though news was about to break that Hunter and Archer were. 

    Nothing to see here move along 

     

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    Heinz freaked out when Hunter and Archer joined the board of Burisma. His ties (Rosemont Seneca) were so strong that he was emailing the state department to assure his stepfather that he wasn't investing in Burisma or joining the board even though news was about to break that Hunter and Archer were. 

    Nothing to see here move along 

     

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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2022 - 8:56 AM ET #18

    Trump tries to assassinate Mike Pence.

    He organized a mib gave them cover support they tied a noose and screamed hang Mike Pence as they stormed the capital he is colluding with Russia to undermine the sitting president. 

    And he is a traitor to the oath of office.

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    Trump tries to assassinate Mike Pence.

    He organized a mib gave them cover support they tied a noose and screamed hang Mike Pence as they stormed the capital he is colluding with Russia to undermine the sitting president. 

    And he is a traitor to the oath of office.

     
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    Trump tried to assassinate Mike Pence now? 

    What’s your source for that? The voices in your head? 

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    Trump tried to assassinate Mike Pence now? 

    What’s your source for that? The voices in your head? 

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    CNN FACTCHECK; 

    --"Hunter Biden denies the allegation. His lawyer, George Mesires, told CNN that Hunter Biden was not an owner of the firm Senate Republicans allege received the $3.5 million payment in 2014."

    ---"Russian businesswoman and the wife of late Moscow mayor sent $3.5 million in 2014 to a firm called Rosemont Seneca Thornton,"

    --"Hunter Biden was a co-founder and CEO of the investment firm Rosemont Seneca Advisors. But Mesires said Hunter Biden did not co-found Rosemont Seneca Thornton. It’s not clear what connection exists between Rosemont Seneca Advisors and Rosemont Seneca Thornton."

    NOT CLEAR? WHY DOESN'T THE PRESS CHECK THAT OUT? an_light

    I DID.

    Hunter Biden co-founded Rosemont Seneca Partners in 2009 with Christopher Heinz, stepson of John Kerry, the former secretary of state, and scion of the Heinz processed food fortune, and Devon Archer, a financier and former Abercrombie & Fitch model who attended Yale with Heinz.

    Heinz ended his business relationship with the firm in 2014 after Biden and Archer joined the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company;  Heinz had opposed them joining the Burisma board due to there reputational risk.

    In 2018 Devon Archer was convicted on securities fraud and conspiracy charges.

    At its inception in 2014, BHR listed Rosemont Seneca Thorton LLC, an investment firm co-founded by Hunter Biden, as a shareholder that owned 30 per cent of the fund.

    SO YES, HUNTER BIDEN CO- FOUNDED ROSEMONT SENECA THORTON AND HIS ATTORNEY LIED. NO DOUBT CNN KNOWS THIS AND SAYS " IT'S NOT CLEAR" TO COVER FOR HIM.

    Too bad you have to go overseas for honest journalism, https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/from-the-us-to-ukraine-to-china-hunter-biden-s-web-of-interests-1.4045045

     

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    CNN FACTCHECK; 

    --"Hunter Biden denies the allegation. His lawyer, George Mesires, told CNN that Hunter Biden was not an owner of the firm Senate Republicans allege received the $3.5 million payment in 2014."

    ---"Russian businesswoman and the wife of late Moscow mayor sent $3.5 million in 2014 to a firm called Rosemont Seneca Thornton,"

    --"Hunter Biden was a co-founder and CEO of the investment firm Rosemont Seneca Advisors. But Mesires said Hunter Biden did not co-found Rosemont Seneca Thornton. It’s not clear what connection exists between Rosemont Seneca Advisors and Rosemont Seneca Thornton."

    NOT CLEAR? WHY DOESN'T THE PRESS CHECK THAT OUT? an_light

    I DID.

    Hunter Biden co-founded Rosemont Seneca Partners in 2009 with Christopher Heinz, stepson of John Kerry, the former secretary of state, and scion of the Heinz processed food fortune, and Devon Archer, a financier and former Abercrombie & Fitch model who attended Yale with Heinz.

    Heinz ended his business relationship with the firm in 2014 after Biden and Archer joined the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company;  Heinz had opposed them joining the Burisma board due to there reputational risk.

    In 2018 Devon Archer was convicted on securities fraud and conspiracy charges.

    At its inception in 2014, BHR listed Rosemont Seneca Thorton LLC, an investment firm co-founded by Hunter Biden, as a shareholder that owned 30 per cent of the fund.

    SO YES, HUNTER BIDEN CO- FOUNDED ROSEMONT SENECA THORTON AND HIS ATTORNEY LIED. NO DOUBT CNN KNOWS THIS AND SAYS " IT'S NOT CLEAR" TO COVER FOR HIM.

    Too bad you have to go overseas for honest journalism, https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/us/from-the-us-to-ukraine-to-china-hunter-biden-s-web-of-interests-1.4045045

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Trump tried to assassinate Mike Pence now?  What’s your source for that? The voices in your head?

    The events unfolded on live tv jan 6th.

    Trump is a traitor.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Trump tried to assassinate Mike Pence now?  What’s your source for that? The voices in your head?

    The events unfolded on live tv jan 6th.

    Trump is a traitor.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Trump tried to assassinate Mike Pence now?  What’s your source for that? The voices in your head? The events unfolded on live tv jan 6th. Trump is a traitor.

    an_getawayJUST LOOK AT THOSE CRAZIED INSURECTIONISTS BENT ON HANGING MIKE PENCE!!! MY GOD SOME ARE EVEN STEPPING OVER THE ROPES!!   an_getaway

    CAPITAL POLICE RUNNING FOR THEIR LIVES!!!!! INSURECTIONIST WEAPON OF CHOICE IS OBVIOUSLY I-PHONES AND ANDROIDS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox: Trump tried to assassinate Mike Pence now?  What’s your source for that? The voices in your head? The events unfolded on live tv jan 6th. Trump is a traitor.

    an_getawayJUST LOOK AT THOSE CRAZIED INSURECTIONISTS BENT ON HANGING MIKE PENCE!!! MY GOD SOME ARE EVEN STEPPING OVER THE ROPES!!   an_getaway

    CAPITAL POLICE RUNNING FOR THEIR LIVES!!!!! INSURECTIONIST WEAPON OF CHOICE IS OBVIOUSLY I-PHONES AND ANDROIDS.

     
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    @UNIMAN

     I know the weather is still crappy in Michigan but try to get out of the house for some fresh air. It does wonders for the soul. I was just outside throwing my net to catch some mullet to go blackfin tuna fishing in the morning if the seas aren't too bad. Fresh air is absolutely wonderful!

    Back on topic...I have a strange feeling that Putin has more dirt on Trump than on Hunter Biden. And I will say it again, if the guy is dirty he should be prosecuted just like the Trump Crime Family.

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    @UNIMAN

     I know the weather is still crappy in Michigan but try to get out of the house for some fresh air. It does wonders for the soul. I was just outside throwing my net to catch some mullet to go blackfin tuna fishing in the morning if the seas aren't too bad. Fresh air is absolutely wonderful!

    Back on topic...I have a strange feeling that Putin has more dirt on Trump than on Hunter Biden. And I will say it again, if the guy is dirty he should be prosecuted just like the Trump Crime Family.

     
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    Posted: Mar. 31, 2022 - 6:07 PM ET #24

    I would stop trusting your feelings and start looking at the facts

     

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    I would stop trusting your feelings and start looking at the facts

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    I would stop trusting your feelings and start looking at the facts

    Not sure where I am confused , Trump was trying to overturn the election when his vice president decided not to play ball he needed to remove Mike.

    But he couldn't just fire him he had to execute him.

    This was a planned military coop when the plan unfolded Trump order his national guard to stand by as police were murdered on the steps of the capital.

    Not sure what footage you saw but I was watching CNN. 

    Then while the seige continues Trump called Mike McCarthy and others to get up dates for Mike pences location.

    He stated he isn't here. The seige lasted 4 hours from the walk up and actual sacking of the capital by Trump supporters I state this because the vast majority of the insurrection had Trump Flags 

    When the coop failed with securing of the vice president and the ballot box Trump told his supporters they were special people and asked they return home. Again it was on national television do share your view detox.

    The supporters have stated in open court many many times they were doing what they Trump wanted.

    Their was a noose on scaffolding and the supporters were screaming hang Mike pence again it could be I misunderstood they mobs intentions but seems pretty clear to a third grader this was the work of a failed coop by a traitor. Colluding with Russia...meh par for the course....

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    I would stop trusting your feelings and start looking at the facts

    Not sure where I am confused , Trump was trying to overturn the election when his vice president decided not to play ball he needed to remove Mike.

    But he couldn't just fire him he had to execute him.

    This was a planned military coop when the plan unfolded Trump order his national guard to stand by as police were murdered on the steps of the capital.

    Not sure what footage you saw but I was watching CNN. 

    Then while the seige continues Trump called Mike McCarthy and others to get up dates for Mike pences location.

    He stated he isn't here. The seige lasted 4 hours from the walk up and actual sacking of the capital by Trump supporters I state this because the vast majority of the insurrection had Trump Flags 

    When the coop failed with securing of the vice president and the ballot box Trump told his supporters they were special people and asked they return home. Again it was on national television do share your view detox.

    The supporters have stated in open court many many times they were doing what they Trump wanted.

    Their was a noose on scaffolding and the supporters were screaming hang Mike pence again it could be I misunderstood they mobs intentions but seems pretty clear to a third grader this was the work of a failed coop by a traitor. Colluding with Russia...meh par for the course....

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