Do you think a hospital here should turn away someone from their ER if they have no insurance and can't afford to pay?
If you say NO, then you believe in universal health care.
Bottom line.
Only question is whether you want all that health care administered in the ER or administered more efficiently and effectively otherwise.
people want to help people get healthcare, but if in the process they get fucked themselves, then they wont want to help. The public option is going to screw over 100 million plus, all in the name of helping the people who dont got healthcare. Yeah that seems fair
How about those people without healthcare get off their asses and go try earning their own healthcare, instead of taking from others who earned it themselves.
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Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:
Do you think a hospital here should turn away someone from their ER if they have no insurance and can't afford to pay?
If you say NO, then you believe in universal health care.
Bottom line.
Only question is whether you want all that health care administered in the ER or administered more efficiently and effectively otherwise.
people want to help people get healthcare, but if in the process they get fucked themselves, then they wont want to help. The public option is going to screw over 100 million plus, all in the name of helping the people who dont got healthcare. Yeah that seems fair
How about those people without healthcare get off their asses and go try earning their own healthcare, instead of taking from others who earned it themselves.
heres the bottomline, why do other people have to pay for other peoples healthcare? If they are capable of working then they should get out there and get a job, 2 of them if they have to. The taking from one person and giving it to another person has got to stop. This isnt a robin hood, this is real life.
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heres the bottomline, why do other people have to pay for other peoples healthcare? If they are capable of working then they should get out there and get a job, 2 of them if they have to. The taking from one person and giving it to another person has got to stop. This isnt a robin hood, this is real life.
Keep in mind this is coming from the guy who admits he currently has a Cadillac government employees health care plan.
Hilarious how he bitches about other sponges, but when he might lose his position on the governmental teet, well, we can't have that.
Triple roller right-wing whacko hypocrite POS.
sorry pal my policy has been paid for by me over the years, so get your friggin facts right before you bash somebody.
We all took major tradeoffs to get that healthcare. Pay cuts, less vacation days, less comp days, and we all pay a portion of the insurance.
Sorry but am not some free loader like your ass is. All you guys who want the public option are all to lazy to go out and earn your own healthcare, you just want a free ride.
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Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:
"This isn't a robin hood, this is real life."
Keep in mind this is coming from the guy who admits he currently has a Cadillac government employees health care plan.
Hilarious how he bitches about other sponges, but when he might lose his position on the governmental teet, well, we can't have that.
Triple roller right-wing whacko hypocrite POS.
sorry pal my policy has been paid for by me over the years, so get your friggin facts right before you bash somebody.
We all took major tradeoffs to get that healthcare. Pay cuts, less vacation days, less comp days, and we all pay a portion of the insurance.
Sorry but am not some free loader like your ass is. All you guys who want the public option are all to lazy to go out and earn your own healthcare, you just want a free ride.
Yes, the illegal immigrants already cost us hundreds of millions a year as they flock to our ER's and then run away never to be seen again. Why not make it 100% acceptable for them to do that instead
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Yes, the illegal immigrants already cost us hundreds of millions a year as they flock to our ER's and then run away never to be seen again. Why not make it 100% acceptable for them to do that instead
You can see my opinion about it here in another thread
at first i thought maybe you were just drunk when you posted that, but now am convinced that you are a complete nutcase that lives in some fantasy world
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikael99:
You can see my opinion about it here in another thread
at first i thought maybe you were just drunk when you posted that, but now am convinced that you are a complete nutcase that lives in some fantasy world
at first i thought maybe you were just drunk when you posted that, but now am convinced that you are a complete nutcase that lives in some fantasy world
No i just believe what every other civilized country in the western world believe.
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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:
at first i thought maybe you were just drunk when you posted that, but now am convinced that you are a complete nutcase that lives in some fantasy world
No i just believe what every other civilized country in the western world believe.
people want to help people get healthcare, but if in the process they get fucked themselves, then they wont want to help. The public option is going to screw over 100 million plus, all in the name of helping the people who dont got healthcare. Yeah that seems fair
How about those people without healthcare get off their asses and go try earning their own healthcare, instead of taking from others who earned it themselves.
Dude, you're making a gross, literally and figuratively, generalization about those who lack health insurance. I'm guessing you don't have a pre-existing condition.
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Quote Originally Posted by cd329:
people want to help people get healthcare, but if in the process they get fucked themselves, then they wont want to help. The public option is going to screw over 100 million plus, all in the name of helping the people who dont got healthcare. Yeah that seems fair
How about those people without healthcare get off their asses and go try earning their own healthcare, instead of taking from others who earned it themselves.
Dude, you're making a gross, literally and figuratively, generalization about those who lack health insurance. I'm guessing you don't have a pre-existing condition.
No i just believe what every other civilized country in the western world believe.
So you believe that socialized medicine DOES NOT work and major retooling is being undertaken in both Canada and Western Europe?? That's a good start. The socialist party is on the run in Europe as well. Glad you are finally starting to see the light.
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikael99:
No i just believe what every other civilized country in the western world believe.
So you believe that socialized medicine DOES NOT work and major retooling is being undertaken in both Canada and Western Europe?? That's a good start. The socialist party is on the run in Europe as well. Glad you are finally starting to see the light.
Dude, you're making a gross, literally and figuratively, generalization about those who lack health insurance. I'm guessing you don't have a pre-existing condition.
wrong again, i have a few pre existing conditions
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Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:
Dude, you're making a gross, literally and figuratively, generalization about those who lack health insurance. I'm guessing you don't have a pre-existing condition.
This bill is not about the delivery of quality health care to the people of the US. It is all about control and power over the American people. They still have not addressed the issue of being 16,000 doctors short. The Dems will not address tort reform. They will not let people have access to all of the insurance companies that carry health insurance. Also. We will not be able to purchase health care out of pocket when health care has been 100% socialized and the insurance companies have been totally eliminated.
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This bill is not about the delivery of quality health care to the people of the US. It is all about control and power over the American people. They still have not addressed the issue of being 16,000 doctors short. The Dems will not address tort reform. They will not let people have access to all of the insurance companies that carry health insurance. Also. We will not be able to purchase health care out of pocket when health care has been 100% socialized and the insurance companies have been totally eliminated.
The Government has screwed up everything they've touched in the public sector.
Stay the hell outta my life..I can take care of it.
Problem is...you kids listen to all the BS the biased media puts out and believe it with no proof, while all the while living for one thing only......Friday nite.
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The Government has screwed up everything they've touched in the public sector.
Stay the hell outta my life..I can take care of it.
Problem is...you kids listen to all the BS the biased media puts out and believe it with no proof, while all the while living for one thing only......Friday nite.
Do you think a hospital here should turn away someone from their ER if they have no insurance and can't afford to pay?
If you say NO, then you believe in universal health care.
Bottom line.
Only question is whether you want all that health care administered in the ER or administered more efficiently and effectively otherwise.
I mean, that is completely true. If someone takes the position that we shouldn't be caring for anyone without healthcare, fine, but we lose a little of the moral highground that we claim. That and what do we do with all the windows and children who suddenly now cannot support themselves?
I am sympathetic to the anger at people who have the means and don't use those means to obtain coverage or support themselves or their families. I don't like paying for them anymore than anyone else. I guess I would rather do so, however, then to try and create some "bright" line for those who "haven't" out of choice as opposed to those who "haven't" out of happenstance. In other words, when the guy enters the emergency room, how do we distinguish him as the lazy, live off others person from the guy who lost his job of 20 years three months before and no longer has health insurance. Or what about the guy doing everything we ask, working three jobs to support his family, none of which offers insurance?
It makes it difficult to distinguish which makes our current system unfeasible, because we all end up paying for those that receive care they cannot pay or afford.
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Quote Originally Posted by depeche2:
Do you think a hospital here should turn away someone from their ER if they have no insurance and can't afford to pay?
If you say NO, then you believe in universal health care.
Bottom line.
Only question is whether you want all that health care administered in the ER or administered more efficiently and effectively otherwise.
I mean, that is completely true. If someone takes the position that we shouldn't be caring for anyone without healthcare, fine, but we lose a little of the moral highground that we claim. That and what do we do with all the windows and children who suddenly now cannot support themselves?
I am sympathetic to the anger at people who have the means and don't use those means to obtain coverage or support themselves or their families. I don't like paying for them anymore than anyone else. I guess I would rather do so, however, then to try and create some "bright" line for those who "haven't" out of choice as opposed to those who "haven't" out of happenstance. In other words, when the guy enters the emergency room, how do we distinguish him as the lazy, live off others person from the guy who lost his job of 20 years three months before and no longer has health insurance. Or what about the guy doing everything we ask, working three jobs to support his family, none of which offers insurance?
It makes it difficult to distinguish which makes our current system unfeasible, because we all end up paying for those that receive care they cannot pay or afford.
So you believe that socialized medicine DOES NOT work and major retooling is being undertaken in both Canada and Western Europe?? That's a good start. The socialist party is on the run in Europe as well. Glad you are finally starting to see the light.
I know that no one is going bankrupt in Canada, and Europe.
I know our survival rates are longer.
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Quote Originally Posted by esplanade:
So you believe that socialized medicine DOES NOT work and major retooling is being undertaken in both Canada and Western Europe?? That's a good start. The socialist party is on the run in Europe as well. Glad you are finally starting to see the light.
I know that no one is going bankrupt in Canada, and Europe.
I know that no one is going bankrupt in Canada, and Europe.
I know our survival rates are longer.
SO why don't Canada and Europe start a program to import all these people that can't afford insurance in America, to their countries, and let the rest of us stupid Americans fend for ourselves,,,,,,,that will allow the rest of the world to continue piggybacking off of our private systems R&D, you know where all the innovations and progress and education come from for modern medicine, and y'all can take care of those that you want to see be taken care of so damned bad,,,,,,,I wonder if this happened, 10 years later which system would be looking at the other thinking "man that's nice, i wish i had that"
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikael99:
I know that no one is going bankrupt in Canada, and Europe.
I know our survival rates are longer.
SO why don't Canada and Europe start a program to import all these people that can't afford insurance in America, to their countries, and let the rest of us stupid Americans fend for ourselves,,,,,,,that will allow the rest of the world to continue piggybacking off of our private systems R&D, you know where all the innovations and progress and education come from for modern medicine, and y'all can take care of those that you want to see be taken care of so damned bad,,,,,,,I wonder if this happened, 10 years later which system would be looking at the other thinking "man that's nice, i wish i had that"
mikael - MassCare (massachusets) runs at about 600m/yr deficit
France is moving to more of a market system and a good deal of canadian doctors are moving towards a cash system
be easy - maybe the rest of the world will like it when we (the US) stops producing new drugs...then again, half the EU wont allow them b/c they are too expensive
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mikael - MassCare (massachusets) runs at about 600m/yr deficit
France is moving to more of a market system and a good deal of canadian doctors are moving towards a cash system
be easy - maybe the rest of the world will like it when we (the US) stops producing new drugs...then again, half the EU wont allow them b/c they are too expensive
mikael - MassCare (massachusets) runs at about 600m/yr deficit
France is moving to more of a market system and a good deal of canadian doctors are moving towards a cash system
be easy - maybe the rest of the world will like it when we (the US) stops producing new drugs...then again, half the EU wont allow them b/c they are too expensive
I am anti drugs myself, however i do know those evil private pharma companies do ALL the work when it comes to R&D and medical innovations,,,,,,,funny to watch these foreigners bite the hand that feeds them
Why don't those that hate America and all things American denounce all technologies and innovations that came out of the good ole USA in the last 200 years?? Oh because then all these pathetic nanny states would be stuck back in the stone ages,,,,,,do they ever stop and wonder WHY
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Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:
mikael - MassCare (massachusets) runs at about 600m/yr deficit
France is moving to more of a market system and a good deal of canadian doctors are moving towards a cash system
be easy - maybe the rest of the world will like it when we (the US) stops producing new drugs...then again, half the EU wont allow them b/c they are too expensive
I am anti drugs myself, however i do know those evil private pharma companies do ALL the work when it comes to R&D and medical innovations,,,,,,,funny to watch these foreigners bite the hand that feeds them
Why don't those that hate America and all things American denounce all technologies and innovations that came out of the good ole USA in the last 200 years?? Oh because then all these pathetic nanny states would be stuck back in the stone ages,,,,,,do they ever stop and wonder WHY
mikael - MassCare (massachusets) runs at about 600m/yr deficit
France is moving to more of a market system and a good deal of canadian doctors are moving towards a cash system
be easy - maybe the rest of the world will like it when we (the US) stops producing new drugs...then again, half the EU wont allow them b/c they are too expensive
France is a bad example as they never had universal health care. You can find hardcore universal health care in Scandinavia - Norway, top-2 richest country in the world, Denmark - the happiest nation on Earth and Sweden - hottest chicks in the world.
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Quote Originally Posted by KOAJ:
mikael - MassCare (massachusets) runs at about 600m/yr deficit
France is moving to more of a market system and a good deal of canadian doctors are moving towards a cash system
be easy - maybe the rest of the world will like it when we (the US) stops producing new drugs...then again, half the EU wont allow them b/c they are too expensive
France is a bad example as they never had universal health care. You can find hardcore universal health care in Scandinavia - Norway, top-2 richest country in the world, Denmark - the happiest nation on Earth and Sweden - hottest chicks in the world.
I know that no one is going bankrupt in Canada, and Europe.
I know our survival rates are longer.
WRONG!!! Please don't talk about the Canadian system if you don't know about it.
First off, the whole system is almost bankrupt. We have doctor shortages (because there's no money to pay them). The government refuses to pay for expensive treatments several reasons. I know of people that had to go to the US because they couldn't get treatment in Canada at the cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars. People don't have GPs. You can't find pediatricians for your kids. The wait time for simple procedures like Colonoscopies are 9-18 months.
Our government has been moving to allow more private clinics to open up outside government run healthcare. So what we have now is the rich can pay to go see a private doctor because they can afford it and everyone else either waits forever for treatment or can't see a doctor.
Koaj has a point about drugs, but the wrong one. The problem is the US drug companies are gauging the American public. Why is the same drug double in price in the US compared to the EU or Canada??? The FDA should allow all importations of drugs from Canada and the EU. See what would happen to drug prices in the US. That would be a big start in reducing healthcare costs.
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Quote Originally Posted by Mikael99:
I know that no one is going bankrupt in Canada, and Europe.
I know our survival rates are longer.
WRONG!!! Please don't talk about the Canadian system if you don't know about it.
First off, the whole system is almost bankrupt. We have doctor shortages (because there's no money to pay them). The government refuses to pay for expensive treatments several reasons. I know of people that had to go to the US because they couldn't get treatment in Canada at the cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars. People don't have GPs. You can't find pediatricians for your kids. The wait time for simple procedures like Colonoscopies are 9-18 months.
Our government has been moving to allow more private clinics to open up outside government run healthcare. So what we have now is the rich can pay to go see a private doctor because they can afford it and everyone else either waits forever for treatment or can't see a doctor.
Koaj has a point about drugs, but the wrong one. The problem is the US drug companies are gauging the American public. Why is the same drug double in price in the US compared to the EU or Canada??? The FDA should allow all importations of drugs from Canada and the EU. See what would happen to drug prices in the US. That would be a big start in reducing healthcare costs.
The Government has screwed up everything they've touched in the public sector.
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