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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2013 - 12:39 PM ET #26

    So you admit you know nothing about Duck Dynasty and Phil Robertson, yet you somehow know that he is not talking about divorce and adultery, and other real family values? 

    Look at one episode.  Family values from beginning to end.

    He has never mentioned homosexuality in the show.  They barely mention religion, other than a family prayer they say at the end of each episode as the eat dinner together. 

    All the show depicts is family values, and togetherness, all together the most positive show I have ever seen on television. 

     

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    So you admit you know nothing about Duck Dynasty and Phil Robertson, yet you somehow know that he is not talking about divorce and adultery, and other real family values? 

    Look at one episode.  Family values from beginning to end.

    He has never mentioned homosexuality in the show.  They barely mention religion, other than a family prayer they say at the end of each episode as the eat dinner together. 

    All the show depicts is family values, and togetherness, all together the most positive show I have ever seen on television. 

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2013 - 12:44 PM ET #27

    i'm just going on the article and his recent statements, which is what this thread is about recently. 

    if there is more to it and he's actually decrying the sinfulness of divorce and adultery more than hom*osexualtiy at a ratio of 100,000 - 1 or so, which i think would be the appropriate figure given their respective negative impacts on "family values", then my apologies to Mr. Robertson (Phil, not Pat). 
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    i'm just going on the article and his recent statements, which is what this thread is about recently. 

    if there is more to it and he's actually decrying the sinfulness of divorce and adultery more than hom*osexualtiy at a ratio of 100,000 - 1 or so, which i think would be the appropriate figure given their respective negative impacts on "family values", then my apologies to Mr. Robertson (Phil, not Pat). 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    i'm just going on the article and his recent statements, which is what this thread is about recently. 

    if there is more to it and he's actually decrying the sinfulness of divorce and adultery more than hom*osexualtiy at a ratio of 100,000 - 1 or so, which i think would be the appropriate figure given their respective negative impacts on "family values", then my apologies to Mr. Robertson (Phil, not Pat). 


    This is his statement: https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/12/19/phil-robertson-suspended-sarah-palin-duck-dynasty-fans-react/

    Earlier Wednesday, Roberston responded to his critics in an attempt to further explain his controversial statements.

    “I myself am a product of the 60s; I centered my life around sex, drugs and rock and roll until I hit rock bottom and accepted Jesus as my Savior,” he said in a statement sent to FOX411. “My mission today is to go forth and tell people about why I follow Christ and also what the bible teaches, and part of that teaching is that women and men are meant to be together…”

    Robertson referenced the Bible when talking to GQ about his thoughts about homosexuality and sinning.

    “Everything is blurred on what’s right and what’s wrong... Sin becomes fine,” he said. “Start with guy behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men....”

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    i'm just going on the article and his recent statements, which is what this thread is about recently. 

    if there is more to it and he's actually decrying the sinfulness of divorce and adultery more than hom*osexualtiy at a ratio of 100,000 - 1 or so, which i think would be the appropriate figure given their respective negative impacts on "family values", then my apologies to Mr. Robertson (Phil, not Pat). 


    This is his statement: https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/12/19/phil-robertson-suspended-sarah-palin-duck-dynasty-fans-react/

    Earlier Wednesday, Roberston responded to his critics in an attempt to further explain his controversial statements.

    “I myself am a product of the 60s; I centered my life around sex, drugs and rock and roll until I hit rock bottom and accepted Jesus as my Savior,” he said in a statement sent to FOX411. “My mission today is to go forth and tell people about why I follow Christ and also what the bible teaches, and part of that teaching is that women and men are meant to be together…”

    Robertson referenced the Bible when talking to GQ about his thoughts about homosexuality and sinning.

    “Everything is blurred on what’s right and what’s wrong... Sin becomes fine,” he said. “Start with guy behavior and just morph out from there. Bestiality, sleeping around with this woman and that woman and that woman and those men....”

     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2013 - 2:10 PM ET #29

    sounds like this guy was a lot more fun when he was into sex, drugs and rock n roll rather than whether other people are happy or not or having premarital sex. 
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    sounds like this guy was a lot more fun when he was into sex, drugs and rock n roll rather than whether other people are happy or not or having premarital sex. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2013 - 2:19 PM ET #30

    He was Terry Bradshaw's backup at Louisiana Tech.

    My alma mater.
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    He was Terry Bradshaw's backup at Louisiana Tech.

    My alma mater.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2013 - 2:22 PM ET #31

    It is funny that one man's view on sin is causing such a stir (especially among so many that are not religious). 

    He did not condemn gays, or spread hatred, or intolerance.  Quite the opposite.  :   "However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other.”

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    It is funny that one man's view on sin is causing such a stir (especially among so many that are not religious). 

    He did not condemn gays, or spread hatred, or intolerance.  Quite the opposite.  :   "However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other.”

     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2013 - 2:34 PM ET #32

    "my mission is to go forth and tell people why i follow Christ and what the Bible teaches"

    and really what he did is repeat Corinthians 6:9-10

     pajama boy can believe and say whatever he wants, as can Phil

     

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    "my mission is to go forth and tell people why i follow Christ and what the Bible teaches"

    and really what he did is repeat Corinthians 6:9-10

     pajama boy can believe and say whatever he wants, as can Phil

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2013 - 2:52 PM ET #33

    yes, at the end of the day, the duck dynasty guy can say whatever he wants and a&e can fire or suspend whomever they want.


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    yes, at the end of the day, the duck dynasty guy can say whatever he wants and a&e can fire or suspend whomever they want.


     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2013 - 2:54 PM ET #34

    "my mission is to go forth and tell people why i follow Christ and what the Bible teaches"

    this must be in the g*y hating section of the bible because again, i almost never hear these "good christians" going forth and teaching about the sins of premarital sex, divorce and adultery.
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    "my mission is to go forth and tell people why i follow Christ and what the Bible teaches"

    this must be in the g*y hating section of the bible because again, i almost never hear these "good christians" going forth and teaching about the sins of premarital sex, divorce and adultery.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2013 - 2:59 PM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    yes, at the end of the day, the duck dynasty guy can say whatever he wants and a&e can fire or suspend whomever they want.


    absolutely

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    yes, at the end of the day, the duck dynasty guy can say whatever he wants and a&e can fire or suspend whomever they want.


    absolutely

     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2013 - 3:08 PM ET #36

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    "my mission is to go forth and tell people why i follow Christ and what the Bible teaches"

    this must be in the g*y hating section of the bible because again, i almost never hear these "good christians" going forth and teaching about the sins of premarital sex, divorce and adultery.

    He did teach about pre marital sex in the same comment he is being criticized for. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

    "my mission is to go forth and tell people why i follow Christ and what the Bible teaches"

    this must be in the g*y hating section of the bible because again, i almost never hear these "good christians" going forth and teaching about the sins of premarital sex, divorce and adultery.

    He did teach about pre marital sex in the same comment he is being criticized for. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    It is funny that one man's view on sin is causing such a stir (especially among so many that are not religious). 

    He did not condemn gays, or spread hatred, or intolerance.  Quite the opposite.  :   "However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other.”

    Except for the calling homosexuality a sin part. And equating it with bestiality.

    What he said wasn't so terrible when compared with other homophobic statements.

    But taking the statements for what they are, why isn't he also stating that premarital sex is a sin (he mentioned sleeping around was, but not just the singular act). What about adultery?

    No matter the justification attempt, when one designates the act of consenting adults as a sin, their words are going to be subjected to scrutiny, no matter how many times you continue to quote a different portion of his statements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    It is funny that one man's view on sin is causing such a stir (especially among so many that are not religious). 

    He did not condemn gays, or spread hatred, or intolerance.  Quite the opposite.  :   "However, I would never treat anyone with disrespect just because they are different from me. We are all created by the Almighty and like Him, I love all of humanity. We would all be better off if we loved God and loved each other.”

    Except for the calling homosexuality a sin part. And equating it with bestiality.

    What he said wasn't so terrible when compared with other homophobic statements.

    But taking the statements for what they are, why isn't he also stating that premarital sex is a sin (he mentioned sleeping around was, but not just the singular act). What about adultery?

    No matter the justification attempt, when one designates the act of consenting adults as a sin, their words are going to be subjected to scrutiny, no matter how many times you continue to quote a different portion of his statements.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Except for the calling homosexuality a sin part. And equating it with bestiality.

    What he said wasn't so terrible when compared with other homophobic statements.

    But taking the statements for what they are, why isn't he also stating that premarital sex is a sin (he mentioned sleeping around was, but not just the singular act). What about adultery?

    No matter the justification attempt, when one designates the act of consenting adults as a sin, their words are going to be subjected to scrutiny, no matter how many times you continue to quote a different portion of his statements.

    again, more or less he was quoting the verse i mentioned...and adultery is in the verse. I'm not defending him or his words, i am saying he can say whatever the hell he wants. He can also take the consequences of expressing his freedom of speech.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:

    Except for the calling homosexuality a sin part. And equating it with bestiality.

    What he said wasn't so terrible when compared with other homophobic statements.

    But taking the statements for what they are, why isn't he also stating that premarital sex is a sin (he mentioned sleeping around was, but not just the singular act). What about adultery?

    No matter the justification attempt, when one designates the act of consenting adults as a sin, their words are going to be subjected to scrutiny, no matter how many times you continue to quote a different portion of his statements.

    again, more or less he was quoting the verse i mentioned...and adultery is in the verse. I'm not defending him or his words, i am saying he can say whatever the hell he wants. He can also take the consequences of expressing his freedom of speech.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2013 - 3:22 PM ET #39

    show me one of these vocal "family values" guys who give at least equal time and criticism to people who have premarital sex, commit adultery and/or get divorced as happy people and i will glady admit that not all of these vocal "good christians" who tell us how moral they are and how immoral homosexuality is are not hypocrites. 

    even in this guy's comments, divorce isn't mentioned and he mentions premarital sex but doesn't expand on it like he does homosexuality.

    we could have a running thread like you and don have for the gun issue.  i post every time a politician or public person or preacher goes off on happy people but ignores premarital sex, divorce and/or adultery and you post every time one of them goes off on on adultery, divorce and/or premarital sex and ignores the gays. 
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    show me one of these vocal "family values" guys who give at least equal time and criticism to people who have premarital sex, commit adultery and/or get divorced as happy people and i will glady admit that not all of these vocal "good christians" who tell us how moral they are and how immoral homosexuality is are not hypocrites. 

    even in this guy's comments, divorce isn't mentioned and he mentions premarital sex but doesn't expand on it like he does homosexuality.

    we could have a running thread like you and don have for the gun issue.  i post every time a politician or public person or preacher goes off on happy people but ignores premarital sex, divorce and/or adultery and you post every time one of them goes off on on adultery, divorce and/or premarital sex and ignores the gays. 
     
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    Again, he knew what he was doing, I guarantee you he couldn't care less about not being on the show...

    He has been pushing the envelope a lot recently, and I think he just said "f^ck it". 

    He can say what he wants, but he doesn't get a say in the consequences of his words. A&E has every right to remove him. 

    You can tell its xmas time, as this is the most pressing thing we have to talk about. 

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    Again, he knew what he was doing, I guarantee you he couldn't care less about not being on the show...

    He has been pushing the envelope a lot recently, and I think he just said "f^ck it". 

    He can say what he wants, but he doesn't get a say in the consequences of his words. A&E has every right to remove him. 

    You can tell its xmas time, as this is the most pressing thing we have to talk about. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2013 - 3:30 PM ET #41

    what the darn happens on a show called duck dynasty?  i assumed it was a hunting show?
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    what the darn happens on a show called duck dynasty?  i assumed it was a hunting show?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2013 - 3:30 PM ET #42

    Sleeping around is adultery if you take the fundamentalist Christian view.  There is not much distinction between promiscuity and adultery. 

    He shares the same views as the Pope, the Dali Llama, and has much more moderate views than any Islamic leader I have ever seen or heard talk about the subject. 

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    Sleeping around is adultery if you take the fundamentalist Christian view.  There is not much distinction between promiscuity and adultery. 

    He shares the same views as the Pope, the Dali Llama, and has much more moderate views than any Islamic leader I have ever seen or heard talk about the subject. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2013 - 3:32 PM ET #43

    Quote Originally Posted by captjohn67:

    again, more or less he was quoting the verse i mentioned...and adultery is in the verse. I'm not defending him or his words, i am saying he can say whatever the hell he wants. He can also take the consequences of expressing his freedom of speech.


    Tilt said it pretty good. He has a right to speak his mind, the network does too. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by captjohn67:

    again, more or less he was quoting the verse i mentioned...and adultery is in the verse. I'm not defending him or his words, i am saying he can say whatever the hell he wants. He can also take the consequences of expressing his freedom of speech.


    Tilt said it pretty good. He has a right to speak his mind, the network does too. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2013 - 3:37 PM ET #44

    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    Sleeping around is adultery if you take the fundamentalist Christian view.  There is not much distinction between promiscuity and adultery. 

    He shares the same views as the Pope, the Dali Llama, and has much more moderate views than any Islamic leader I have ever seen or heard talk about the subject. 


    For views you disagree with pursuant to post 23, you seem to be defending them pretty well. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    Sleeping around is adultery if you take the fundamentalist Christian view.  There is not much distinction between promiscuity and adultery. 

    He shares the same views as the Pope, the Dali Llama, and has much more moderate views than any Islamic leader I have ever seen or heard talk about the subject. 


    For views you disagree with pursuant to post 23, you seem to be defending them pretty well. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2013 - 3:44 PM ET #45

    Hypothetical question

    If Phil Robertson was black would he have been let go by A&E?
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    Hypothetical question

    If Phil Robertson was black would he have been let go by A&E?
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2013 - 3:45 PM ET #46

    so, on a more pressing issue...will terrance west have over 200 yds rushing and lead towson to a straight up win??

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    so, on a more pressing issue...will terrance west have over 200 yds rushing and lead towson to a straight up win??

     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2013 - 4:11 PM ET #47

    The whole duck dynasty group will quit A&E and be picked up by another network in a New York minute..in the mean time dl36 is an out and out  liberal ..
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    The whole duck dynasty group will quit A&E and be picked up by another network in a New York minute..in the mean time dl36 is an out and out  liberal ..
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2013 - 4:59 PM ET #48

    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    For views you disagree with pursuant to post 23, you seem to be defending them pretty well. 

    Please go on.  You have my attention. You told me I am a neo confederate racist last week. I had originally not even known that. I would be really interested to find out what my religious beliefs are.

    Please tell me my thoughts on sin. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by djbrow:


    For views you disagree with pursuant to post 23, you seem to be defending them pretty well. 

    Please go on.  You have my attention. You told me I am a neo confederate racist last week. I had originally not even known that. I would be really interested to find out what my religious beliefs are.

    Please tell me my thoughts on sin. 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2013 - 5:21 PM ET #49

    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    Please go on.  You have my attention. You told me I am a neo confederate racist last week. I had originally not even known that. I would be really interested to find out what my religious beliefs are.

    Please tell me my thoughts on sin. 


    You are lying again. 
    I never called you any of that. 

    I don't know your beliefs. I just pointed out that posts 23 and 43 seem to contradict each other. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by rick3117:

    Please go on.  You have my attention. You told me I am a neo confederate racist last week. I had originally not even known that. I would be really interested to find out what my religious beliefs are.

    Please tell me my thoughts on sin. 


    You are lying again. 
    I never called you any of that. 

    I don't know your beliefs. I just pointed out that posts 23 and 43 seem to contradict each other. 
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 19, 2013 - 5:39 PM ET #50

    #42?

    Explain.

    Pretend I am the dumbest person on earth and spell out for me what you are trying to say.

    You are building a case that I am against homosexuality?

    Right?

    post #23:  And DJ. I think you know that I do not agree with him.

    Nice try though. 

    Post #42:

    Sleeping around is adultery if you take the fundamentalist Christian view.  There is not much distinction between promiscuity and adultery. 

    He shares the same views as the Pope, the Dali Llama, and has much more moderate views than any Islamic leader I have ever seen or heard talk about the subject. 

     

     

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    #42?

    Explain.

    Pretend I am the dumbest person on earth and spell out for me what you are trying to say.

    You are building a case that I am against homosexuality?

    Right?

    post #23:  And DJ. I think you know that I do not agree with him.

    Nice try though. 

    Post #42:

    Sleeping around is adultery if you take the fundamentalist Christian view.  There is not much distinction between promiscuity and adultery. 

    He shares the same views as the Pope, the Dali Llama, and has much more moderate views than any Islamic leader I have ever seen or heard talk about the subject. 

     

     

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