As an aside, you do understand why a publically traded company in bankruptcy will never blame the product for a decline in profits, right?
Do you understand why that is? 
Not that it matters in this case, but of course the debtors and stock holders need to have some confidence in the brand going forward otherwise a mass selloff will occur.
Except for like this there is no doubt. Unions chokehold may be fatal. Unless perhaps you could find blame elswehere. Doubt it.
Aren't these twinkies made by machines anyway, for the most part?
Ya, the dough crawls into the oven all by itself, and the little twinkie walks out and down Main st, right onto the shelf.
I'd hardly call a 2% decline + Walmart sales a decline or dyoff. Thats not that bad in a down economy.
When was the last time you saw substancial advertising for a twinkie other than the side of a hostess truck?
Djbrow you are off your game today!
2% in the last year. How much do you think they declined previous to the last year, as society became more and more health conscious and more competitors emerged?
There is no game, because there is no argument.
I will end this discussion and all others with you because you aren't capable of rational debate on issues. You merely are a lackey for the far right. 
2% in the last year. How much do you think they declined previous to the last year, as society became more and more health conscious and more competitors emerged?
There is no game, because there is no argument.
I will end this discussion and all others with you because you aren't capable of rational debate on issues. You merely are a lackey for the far right.
Wow. Is that the best you can do? Yes, consumers have become a little more health conscious. All that healthy attitude and only dip 2%?
It was attitudes like yours that allowed the steel industry to fold up in the US. Attitudes like mine and my fellow RIGHT WINGERS would likely have saved it.
Unsustainable union pensions and bennies.
PS. I like how you have started to become like your fellow left wing hacks DL36 and falsely claim victory when you're not even close.
Also like how you choose to attempt to end the discussion before you get further exposed.
Back on topic....do you really think its not the unions fault in this case. YES or NO?
Hostess filed for bankruptcy twice and reorganized before the new troubles. Accordingly to the holdings reports, there were concerns of product diversification. I imagine any company that is dying generally does so because of the product, simply because the product becomes the source of revenue (of course investment does to, but investment is based solely on expectation of revenues, based on product...cyclical of course).
While Hostess is synomous with Twinkies, obviously there are other products too.
There will always be some market for bad snack food among children so moving to health conscious society might impact sales in a competely undiversified company, unless they were able to completely corner the market on the product on the product.
I think the reality is that Hostess relied on having that market too long, didn't keep up with the market changes, never diversified, and certainly were not helped by labor when profits declined.
Unlike certain posters who aren't capable of understanding that the fault almost never lies with the extremes, you certainly get that.
The unions demands are cause for the product having no price power.
Does the workers compensation package have much to do with the lower margins? How many people does it take to hit the 'GO' button? We know that there is probably more workers than necessary...because its highly unionized. Union outfits rarely run lean.
How about the 900 billion legacy pensions? Any bearing on profit margins?
The unions demands are cause for the product having no price power.
Does the workers compensation package have much to do with the lower margins? How many people does it take to hit the 'GO' button? We know that there is probably more workers than necessary...because its highly unionized. Union outfits rarely run lean.
How about the 900 billion legacy pensions? Any bearing on profit margins?
Who agreed to all these union contracts?
Hostess filed for bankruptcy twice and reorganized before the new troubles. Accordingly to the holdings reports, there were concerns of product diversification. I imagine any company that is dying generally does so because of the product, simply because the product becomes the source of revenue (of course investment does to, but investment is based solely on expectation of revenues, based on product...cyclical of course).
While Hostess is synomous with Twinkies, obviously there are other products too.
There will always be some market for bad snack food among children so moving to health conscious society might impact sales in a competely undiversified company, unless they were able to completely corner the market on the product on the product.
I think the reality is that Hostess relied on having that market too long, didn't keep up with the market changes, never diversified, and certainly were not helped by labor when profits declined.
Unlike certain posters who aren't capable of understanding that the fault almost never lies with the extremes, you certainly get that.
Why the need to further diversify if sales only drop two out of every hundred?
Especially when the majority of your machinery is set up to produce golden spongecakes with cream filling.
Who agreed to all these union contracts?
Who knows how long the contracts have been in place. Besides what does it matter now? If the workers want to continue watching the twinkies roll off the conveyor belts they will need to make some serious concessions.
The twinkies will go the way of the steel mills if they don't.
Ever tasted a twinkie imported from India? I hope we never have to go down that road.
Lords- to say that the union issues are only partly to blame doesn't do the issue proper justice.
There are a couple of different figures but the legacy pensions are owed at least $966 million of the reported 1 billion plus in debts.
What percentage is that?
Lords- to say that the union issues are only partly to blame doesn't do the issue proper justice.
There are a couple of different figures but the legacy pensions are owed at least $966 million of the reported 1 billion plus in debts.
What percentage is that?
Wall. I read that the prices are already to the point they cant raise them anymore. They are trying to renegotiate and the union said they will strike rather than go to the table again.
How do you modify your brand when the bulk of your equipment is set up to make three inch long spongecakes with filling?
My feeling is that if labor makes some concessions they can save the brand with current sales figures and without revamping the whole product line.
Labor is ready to go under rather than become viable longterm? Why?
Dullard
do you not get tired of that shit?
its not amusing, its not helpful, its not witty, its not intelligent, its not interesting, its not thought provoking
it is juvenile and fucking boring, embarassing that a grown man would be have like that
why not take your little schtick on over to the penealy box and you can try to be entertaining over there
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