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    STOCK MARKET CRASHING UNDER DEMOCRATIC LEADERSHIP

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    Posted: May. 10, 2022 - 8:26 PM ET #26

    Ok then we must further realize the driving indicator of shortages. When many people want the same thing this forces demand. 

    As demand is met market prices stay fluid and unaffected. But covid caused huge shortage of labor in supply chain management. 

    Without the quantities of durable and consumption goods the demand must reflection in inflating the prices. 

    These systemic supply issues were exasperated by the shortage of Crane operators and dock workers leaving 1000 of ships waiting to unload instead of transporting goods. Sea ports on both coasts were overwhelmed.

    But this was a temporary shortages.

    Docks are at capacity now. 

    People will still vacation ,

    they will buy the gas,

    they will shop

    but where the crux of the entirely is Oil. We are near self sufficient with in north America for north America oil consumption.

    .the prices are not perceived shortages but deals Ng with record sales since covid.....

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    Ok then we must further realize the driving indicator of shortages. When many people want the same thing this forces demand. 

    As demand is met market prices stay fluid and unaffected. But covid caused huge shortage of labor in supply chain management. 

    Without the quantities of durable and consumption goods the demand must reflection in inflating the prices. 

    These systemic supply issues were exasperated by the shortage of Crane operators and dock workers leaving 1000 of ships waiting to unload instead of transporting goods. Sea ports on both coasts were overwhelmed.

    But this was a temporary shortages.

    Docks are at capacity now. 

    People will still vacation ,

    they will buy the gas,

    they will shop

    but where the crux of the entirely is Oil. We are near self sufficient with in north America for north America oil consumption.

    .the prices are not perceived shortages but deals Ng with record sales since covid.....

     
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    Posted: May. 10, 2022 - 8:32 PM ET #27

    Some how we are going to pin these factors on the Democrats instead of the last 20 years of unending deficit spending.of republicans raise spending and lower taxes leading greater deficit.... That never balance.... With interest rate the fed will take a great deal of money being principal holder of us debit.

     

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    Some how we are going to pin these factors on the Democrats instead of the last 20 years of unending deficit spending.of republicans raise spending and lower taxes leading greater deficit.... That never balance.... With interest rate the fed will take a great deal of money being principal holder of us debit.

     

     
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    Posted: May. 10, 2022 - 8:35 PM ET #28

    these factors leading to a recession.

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    these factors leading to a recession.

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2022 - 5:41 AM ET #29

    @nature1970

     You have made a huge leap from post #26 to post #27. an_light

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    @nature1970

     You have made a huge leap from post #26 to post #27. an_light

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2022 - 6:15 AM ET #30

    The only saving point is unemployment there are a great deal of jobs available entry level general labor to high skilled labor . 

     

    America is hiring.

    Double digit interest unemployment and inflation and oil shortages.  was the direct cause in the 70's and what destroyed the economy in

    2008 was oil and 2nd mortgages in the housing bubble led to a tipping point of foreclosure.

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    The only saving point is unemployment there are a great deal of jobs available entry level general labor to high skilled labor . 

     

    America is hiring.

    Double digit interest unemployment and inflation and oil shortages.  was the direct cause in the 70's and what destroyed the economy in

    2008 was oil and 2nd mortgages in the housing bubble led to a tipping point of foreclosure.

     
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    Posted: May. 11, 2022 - 4:19 PM ET #31

     Another down day for the market. Pretty much in recession territory now.

    an_bomb

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     Another down day for the market. Pretty much in recession territory now.

    an_bomb

     
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    Posted: May. 13, 2022 - 5:08 PM ET #32

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     What up BG cool

    Time is a flat circle....
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     What up BG cool

     
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    Posted: May. 23, 2022 - 10:04 AM ET #33

    Good article that refers back to some of the issues with some of the issues talked about with the affect of policies on the economy and the big business effect:

    Should the businesses that lobbied for the $1.9 trillion additional spending in COVID-19 relief that set off inflation, have any responsibility for the damage they’ve done? The total amount of spending during COVID-19 ended up close to $7.5 trillion. While former President Donald Trump authorized COVID-19 spending to aid individual Americans as well as businesses, many economists believe it was no longer necessary to continue the aid when Joe Biden took office, the economy had started robustly rebounding.
    Yet over 180 CEOs signed a letter to Congress in February of last year, right after Biden took office, demanding more money from the American Rescue Plan, which Congress ended up passing.
    Larry Lindsay, a leading economist who served as National Economic Council Director under President George W. Bush, said the inflation is so bad we’re headed for a recession this year. During an interview on MSNBC, he said inflation took off after the ARP was passed; the Consumer Price Index shot way up to the highest in four decades.

    Lindsay said the pandemic didn’t cause the inflation, since it had already been ongoing a year prior to the ARP. It is true that the pandemic created some stressors, like supply bottlenecks, but that is not the same as causing rampant inflation. The Biden administration continues to blame the pandemic, the Russia-Ukraine war, and anything other than its spending problem.

    The problem is much of the money wasn’t directed at need, it was intended for stimulus to stoke demand. The legendary economist Milton Friedman once said that if you want inflation, just drop money out of helicopters.

    In contrast, the bailouts in 2008 didn’t result in high inflation, nor did the 2020 COVID-19 bailouts under Trump. According to economist Larry Summers, a Democrat who served as Treasury Secretary under President Bill Clinton and director of the National Economic Council under President Barack Obama, the difference in results was due to the immense size of the ARP. Back in May 2021, he predicted inflation was going to get bad due to the ARP bailout. He said the ARP could “set off inflationary pressures of a kind we have not seen in a generation.” Sure enough, inflation is currently higher than it’s been in almost 40 years.
    They weren’t the only Obama economic officials to lash out. Steven Rattner, who served as counselor to Obama’s Treasury secretary, described the ARP as the "original sin" that contributed materially to today’s inflation. A paper from the San Francisco Federal Reserve admitted the ARP is causing inflation. And there are plenty more experts who feel the same.

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    Good article that refers back to some of the issues with some of the issues talked about with the affect of policies on the economy and the big business effect:

    Should the businesses that lobbied for the $1.9 trillion additional spending in COVID-19 relief that set off inflation, have any responsibility for the damage they’ve done? The total amount of spending during COVID-19 ended up close to $7.5 trillion. While former President Donald Trump authorized COVID-19 spending to aid individual Americans as well as businesses, many economists believe it was no longer necessary to continue the aid when Joe Biden took office, the economy had started robustly rebounding.
    Yet over 180 CEOs signed a letter to Congress in February of last year, right after Biden took office, demanding more money from the American Rescue Plan, which Congress ended up passing.
    Larry Lindsay, a leading economist who served as National Economic Council Director under President George W. Bush, said the inflation is so bad we’re headed for a recession this year. During an interview on MSNBC, he said inflation took off after the ARP was passed; the Consumer Price Index shot way up to the highest in four decades.

    Lindsay said the pandemic didn’t cause the inflation, since it had already been ongoing a year prior to the ARP. It is true that the pandemic created some stressors, like supply bottlenecks, but that is not the same as causing rampant inflation. The Biden administration continues to blame the pandemic, the Russia-Ukraine war, and anything other than its spending problem.

    The problem is much of the money wasn’t directed at need, it was intended for stimulus to stoke demand. The legendary economist Milton Friedman once said that if you want inflation, just drop money out of helicopters.

    In contrast, the bailouts in 2008 didn’t result in high inflation, nor did the 2020 COVID-19 bailouts under Trump. According to economist Larry Summers, a Democrat who served as Treasury Secretary under President Bill Clinton and director of the National Economic Council under President Barack Obama, the difference in results was due to the immense size of the ARP. Back in May 2021, he predicted inflation was going to get bad due to the ARP bailout. He said the ARP could “set off inflationary pressures of a kind we have not seen in a generation.” Sure enough, inflation is currently higher than it’s been in almost 40 years.
    They weren’t the only Obama economic officials to lash out. Steven Rattner, who served as counselor to Obama’s Treasury secretary, described the ARP as the "original sin" that contributed materially to today’s inflation. A paper from the San Francisco Federal Reserve admitted the ARP is causing inflation. And there are plenty more experts who feel the same.

     
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    Posted: May. 23, 2022 - 10:04 AM ET #34

    John Cochrane, an economist at the Hoover Institution, said the bailouts didn’t work because people didn’t want to spend money during the lockdowns. Since they couldn’t enjoy sports, entertainment, much of dining out and were uncertain about air travel, they didn’t spend.
    Another way the ARP wasted money in a reviving economy is it paid people not to work, so it was deficient in increasing jobs. Americans for Prosperity observed that the economy only “grew by just 6.1 million jobs — fewer than if Congress had rejected the proposal.” The ARP bailout went heavily to blue states, rewarding them for punishing people with the most restrictive lockdowns. Nearly $90 billion went to bail out union pension funds that were already massively underfunded before COVID-19 hit.

    It rewarded corporations for irresponsible behavior, much of it unrelated to COVID-19. An article in Forbes explained, “By allowing shareholders and creditors to avoid losses they agreed to bear, these policies will induce companies to continue to take on too much debt.” Most people regretted the wasteful 2008 bailouts for this reason, and this wasn’t any different. No longer needing the extra funds, corporations are using them to implement woke programs instead.
    Last year’s trillion dollar infrastructure bill, Build Back Better, piled on, said Stephen Miran, who served as a senior adviser for economic policy at the U.S. Treasury during the Trump administration. He explained how new regulations in the bill drive up costs. For example, by requiring “the Transportation Department to update the regulations covering car seats, vehicle headlights, hoods and bumpers, and to provide more-stringent enforcement of auto regulations,” it increases “the cost of producing a new car,” increasing “the cost for consumers.” Even if the regulations don’t go into effect for a year or more, the legislation will “start affecting prices immediately as manufacturers begin working on compliance and development.”

    While most on the right usually follow the lead of Friedman, who once asserted that monetary policy causes inflation, not fiscal policy, perhaps Friedman never anticipated this level of reckless spending by the Biden administration. The Independent Institute observed, “Although Friedman passed away in 2006, President Biden has a weird fixation in trying to beat him in an economic argument.”

    The big business bailouts are no surprise considering some of Biden’s closest advisors come from big business. Conservatives love to rail against the left for its spending problem, but often give big business a free pass. It’s time to change that. We should have learned our lesson from the irresponsible bailouts of 2008 but apparently haven’t.

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    John Cochrane, an economist at the Hoover Institution, said the bailouts didn’t work because people didn’t want to spend money during the lockdowns. Since they couldn’t enjoy sports, entertainment, much of dining out and were uncertain about air travel, they didn’t spend.
    Another way the ARP wasted money in a reviving economy is it paid people not to work, so it was deficient in increasing jobs. Americans for Prosperity observed that the economy only “grew by just 6.1 million jobs — fewer than if Congress had rejected the proposal.” The ARP bailout went heavily to blue states, rewarding them for punishing people with the most restrictive lockdowns. Nearly $90 billion went to bail out union pension funds that were already massively underfunded before COVID-19 hit.

    It rewarded corporations for irresponsible behavior, much of it unrelated to COVID-19. An article in Forbes explained, “By allowing shareholders and creditors to avoid losses they agreed to bear, these policies will induce companies to continue to take on too much debt.” Most people regretted the wasteful 2008 bailouts for this reason, and this wasn’t any different. No longer needing the extra funds, corporations are using them to implement woke programs instead.
    Last year’s trillion dollar infrastructure bill, Build Back Better, piled on, said Stephen Miran, who served as a senior adviser for economic policy at the U.S. Treasury during the Trump administration. He explained how new regulations in the bill drive up costs. For example, by requiring “the Transportation Department to update the regulations covering car seats, vehicle headlights, hoods and bumpers, and to provide more-stringent enforcement of auto regulations,” it increases “the cost of producing a new car,” increasing “the cost for consumers.” Even if the regulations don’t go into effect for a year or more, the legislation will “start affecting prices immediately as manufacturers begin working on compliance and development.”

    While most on the right usually follow the lead of Friedman, who once asserted that monetary policy causes inflation, not fiscal policy, perhaps Friedman never anticipated this level of reckless spending by the Biden administration. The Independent Institute observed, “Although Friedman passed away in 2006, President Biden has a weird fixation in trying to beat him in an economic argument.”

    The big business bailouts are no surprise considering some of Biden’s closest advisors come from big business. Conservatives love to rail against the left for its spending problem, but often give big business a free pass. It’s time to change that. We should have learned our lesson from the irresponsible bailouts of 2008 but apparently haven’t.

     
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    Posted: May. 23, 2022 - 10:17 AM ET #35

    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    @BigGame90  What up BG

    What's up brother! You ready for the ride? peace_5

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    @BigGame90  What up BG

    What's up brother! You ready for the ride? peace_5

     
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    Posted: May. 29, 2022 - 7:10 PM ET #36

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     Been ready all along bud peace_5

     Got a bear market rally on our hands now but we know that won’t last.   Few more weeks then back on the decline down to 3500…. Gonna be way worse than that when all said and done next year.  

    Time is a flat circle....
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    @BigGame90

     Been ready all along bud peace_5

     Got a bear market rally on our hands now but we know that won’t last.   Few more weeks then back on the decline down to 3500…. Gonna be way worse than that when all said and done next year.  

     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2022 - 6:10 PM ET #37

    Tesla has hit a buy position at 705 a share.

    They opened two new factories and are downsizing salaried positions in effects to increase profits.

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    Tesla has hit a buy position at 705 a share.

    They opened two new factories and are downsizing salaried positions in effects to increase profits.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 6, 2022 - 12:06 PM ET #38

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Tesla has hit a buy position at 705 a share. They opened two new factories and are downsizing salaried positions in effects to increase profits.

     

    buying into a bear market. Bold strategy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Tesla has hit a buy position at 705 a share. They opened two new factories and are downsizing salaried positions in effects to increase profits.

     

    buying into a bear market. Bold strategy.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 6, 2022 - 1:52 PM ET #39

    Up 1.9% on the day.....

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    Up 1.9% on the day.....

     
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    Posted: Jun. 6, 2022 - 1:57 PM ET #40

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     Completely agree....market so far over-extended its scary....

     

    Just looking at the charts, there is lots of support in the 2500-3300 point range 

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    @kcblitzkrieg

     Completely agree....market so far over-extended its scary....

     

    Just looking at the charts, there is lots of support in the 2500-3300 point range 

     
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    Posted: Jun. 6, 2022 - 2:00 PM ET #41

    @nature1970

     Just a bounce im guessing. Unless they are getting high volume...

     

    Lot of traders buy/sell off RSI so if thats getting into oversold territory on the hourly/daily that will trigger action

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    @nature1970

     Just a bounce im guessing. Unless they are getting high volume...

     

    Lot of traders buy/sell off RSI so if thats getting into oversold territory on the hourly/daily that will trigger action

     
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    Posted: Jun. 13, 2022 - 12:43 AM ET #42

    an_beatup

    Time is a flat circle....
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    Posted: Jun. 14, 2022 - 10:32 AM ET #43

    Cough.  Cough…

    recession time.  Told ya.  

    Time is a flat circle....
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    Cough.  Cough…

    recession time.  Told ya.  

     
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    Posted: Jun. 30, 2022 - 12:51 PM ET #44

    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    Cough.  Cough… recession time.  Told ya.

    paint_help

    Time is a flat circle....
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    Cough.  Cough… recession time.  Told ya.

    paint_help

     
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    Posted: Sep. 23, 2022 - 3:00 PM ET #45

    Bibidity bumpidity boo cool

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    Bibidity bumpidity boo cool

     
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    Posted: Sep. 23, 2022 - 3:23 PM ET #46

    This partisan nonsense would work if it was isolated to this country to this government to this stock market to this administration but it is not so why waste time trying to blame a political party when it has zero to do with DEM vs REPUB or LIB vs conservative?

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    This partisan nonsense would work if it was isolated to this country to this government to this stock market to this administration but it is not so why waste time trying to blame a political party when it has zero to do with DEM vs REPUB or LIB vs conservative?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    This partisan nonsense would work if it was isolated to this country to this government to this stock market to this administration but it is not so why waste time trying to blame a political party when it has zero to do with DEM vs REPUB or LIB vs conservative?

     

    Go back and unbox the other thread that's the opposite title of this one. I started this because the other thread (in the P. box) was ridiculous, like many other threads in here from some posters. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    This partisan nonsense would work if it was isolated to this country to this government to this stock market to this administration but it is not so why waste time trying to blame a political party when it has zero to do with DEM vs REPUB or LIB vs conservative?

     

    Go back and unbox the other thread that's the opposite title of this one. I started this because the other thread (in the P. box) was ridiculous, like many other threads in here from some posters. 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2022 - 12:36 PM ET #48

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: This partisan nonsense would work if it was isolated to this country to this government to this stock market to this administration but it is not so why waste time trying to blame a political party when it has zero to do with DEM vs REPUB or LIB vs conservative?   Go back and unbox the other thread that's the opposite title of this one. I started this because the other thread (in the P. box) was ridiculous, like many other threads in here from some posters.

    unbox unbox unbox unbox unbox!!!! 

    Time is a flat circle....
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers: This partisan nonsense would work if it was isolated to this country to this government to this stock market to this administration but it is not so why waste time trying to blame a political party when it has zero to do with DEM vs REPUB or LIB vs conservative?   Go back and unbox the other thread that's the opposite title of this one. I started this because the other thread (in the P. box) was ridiculous, like many other threads in here from some posters.

    unbox unbox unbox unbox unbox!!!! 

     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2022 - 12:36 PM ET #49

    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    Cough.  Cough… recession time.  Told ya.

    Biden said the other day "little recession" jsut a baby one, nothing to worry about an_roll_laugh

    Time is a flat circle....
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    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    Cough.  Cough… recession time.  Told ya.

    Biden said the other day "little recession" jsut a baby one, nothing to worry about an_roll_laugh

     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2022 - 12:39 PM ET #50

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    This partisan nonsense would work if it was isolated to this country to this government to this stock market to this administration but it is not so why waste time trying to blame a political party when it has zero to do with DEM vs REPUB or LIB vs conservative?

    who's partisan??  Oh, wait, yes Kelly, foops, third, basiche and any other fool who thinks the situation we are in (the world) is anything other than pornhub level loose monetary policy over the last 14 years combined with a few simple economic factors you learn in econ 101.  

    by the way 3500 is a huge level, but then again, you already are in the "in the know" crowd... 

    Time is a flat circle....
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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

    This partisan nonsense would work if it was isolated to this country to this government to this stock market to this administration but it is not so why waste time trying to blame a political party when it has zero to do with DEM vs REPUB or LIB vs conservative?

    who's partisan??  Oh, wait, yes Kelly, foops, third, basiche and any other fool who thinks the situation we are in (the world) is anything other than pornhub level loose monetary policy over the last 14 years combined with a few simple economic factors you learn in econ 101.  

    by the way 3500 is a huge level, but then again, you already are in the "in the know" crowd... 

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