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    Should Democrats hope the Republican Senate pass the AHCA?

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    Doubleadownon12
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2017 - 3:37 PM ET #1

    The current AHCA passed by the House has a approval rating of only 17 % of the public. The Senate version while expected to be less draconian than that bill will still strip millions off Obamacare, millions of middle and lower class and seniors will see their premiums shoot up. Medicaid will still be gutted but in 5 - 7 years instead of the 2–3 years under the House version. Patients will pre-existing conditions will still be horribly affected by being shuttered into high risk pools that will be underfunded and overcrowded. With the bill coming up for a vote before the July 4th recess and most likely by next week, it is still 50/50 whether McConnell has the votes to get this over the finish line.

    But the fact the vast majority of Senators would even support this Bill tells us they are very close to getting it passed, with only a few holdovers like Murkowski and Collins undecided. Meanwhile Democrats have promised a robust obstruction of the vote using every procedural delay at their disposal. My question is knowing how unpopular Obamacare was before Trump became President and realistically it being the defining issue that cost them the House in 10', the Senate in 14' and vast numbers of Governorships and Statehouses, should Democrats just stand down and let Republicans pass the ACHA knowing it will be a scarlet mark on them forever and all but ensuring the Democrats take back the House and Senate next year and most likely will have a redo of 08' when they captured the Presidency and Supermajorities in Congress and would make passing Single Payer Medicare for All that much easier after the people experience 4 years of Trumpcare?
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    The current AHCA passed by the House has a approval rating of only 17 % of the public. The Senate version while expected to be less draconian than that bill will still strip millions off Obamacare, millions of middle and lower class and seniors will see their premiums shoot up. Medicaid will still be gutted but in 5 - 7 years instead of the 2–3 years under the House version. Patients will pre-existing conditions will still be horribly affected by being shuttered into high risk pools that will be underfunded and overcrowded. With the bill coming up for a vote before the July 4th recess and most likely by next week, it is still 50/50 whether McConnell has the votes to get this over the finish line.

    But the fact the vast majority of Senators would even support this Bill tells us they are very close to getting it passed, with only a few holdovers like Murkowski and Collins undecided. Meanwhile Democrats have promised a robust obstruction of the vote using every procedural delay at their disposal. My question is knowing how unpopular Obamacare was before Trump became President and realistically it being the defining issue that cost them the House in 10', the Senate in 14' and vast numbers of Governorships and Statehouses, should Democrats just stand down and let Republicans pass the ACHA knowing it will be a scarlet mark on them forever and all but ensuring the Democrats take back the House and Senate next year and most likely will have a redo of 08' when they captured the Presidency and Supermajorities in Congress and would make passing Single Payer Medicare for All that much easier after the people experience 4 years of Trumpcare?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2017 - 4:23 PM ET #2

    Have you noticed all Democrats say the EXACT same things?

    The Democrats want to control healthcare{1 of Alinsky's rules for radicals} They want to keep them on Medicaid

    They talk about single payer{Which would be a disaster}

    We as Christians gave the GOP the House, Senate and WH to do this: Destroy the last President's Anti American Anti Christian legacy.

    I ask that you all on the left keep your BS up because you are losing millions of hard working blue collar Democrats who have had enough of this BS that the Democratic Party spews every day. A party with no ideas except Trump is a doody-head

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    Have you noticed all Democrats say the EXACT same things?

    The Democrats want to control healthcare{1 of Alinsky's rules for radicals} They want to keep them on Medicaid

    They talk about single payer{Which would be a disaster}

    We as Christians gave the GOP the House, Senate and WH to do this: Destroy the last President's Anti American Anti Christian legacy.

    I ask that you all on the left keep your BS up because you are losing millions of hard working blue collar Democrats who have had enough of this BS that the Democratic Party spews every day. A party with no ideas except Trump is a doody-head

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2017 - 4:29 PM ET #3

    democrats want to prevent any legislation from passing. 

    they need to stop all legislation on the republican list ahca, tax reform, budget, any thing more than the continuation of status quo so they can trumpet that republicans are hypocrites cant get along ect ect.for the 2018 election cycle.... they banking that republicans can not regroup and pass legislation. all the republicans have to is pass legislation. like putting brady with five minutes on the clock needs a touch down and the democrats are on defense. I am betting republicans come steam rolling their agenda in the second half of this year.
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    democrats want to prevent any legislation from passing. 

    they need to stop all legislation on the republican list ahca, tax reform, budget, any thing more than the continuation of status quo so they can trumpet that republicans are hypocrites cant get along ect ect.for the 2018 election cycle.... they banking that republicans can not regroup and pass legislation. all the republicans have to is pass legislation. like putting brady with five minutes on the clock needs a touch down and the democrats are on defense. I am betting republicans come steam rolling their agenda in the second half of this year.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2017 - 6:18 PM ET #4

    I would compare the Republicans to more like Ryan Fiztpatrick than Brady. And I wonder where Dems got the idea to completely obstruct a sitting President's agenda with both branchs of Congress from? Maybe you shouldn't throw rocks in glass houses.
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    I would compare the Republicans to more like Ryan Fiztpatrick than Brady. And I wonder where Dems got the idea to completely obstruct a sitting President's agenda with both branchs of Congress from? Maybe you shouldn't throw rocks in glass houses.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2017 - 9:03 PM ET #5

    liberal mantra silly,
     peaceful resistance force action by incation sit on a curb
     tie yourselves together sing commbaya.
     fight the good fight.
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    liberal mantra silly,
     peaceful resistance force action by incation sit on a curb
     tie yourselves together sing commbaya.
     fight the good fight.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2017 - 9:56 PM ET #6

    commbaya. 

    idiot. 
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    commbaya. 

    idiot. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2017 - 10:10 PM ET #7

    Cool thread. How do you guys stand to be effected if these laws come in place???
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    Cool thread. How do you guys stand to be effected if these laws come in place???
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2017 - 10:20 PM ET #8

    The last president tried to redefine America. That's why they obstructed....Carry On
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    The last president tried to redefine America. That's why they obstructed....Carry On
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2017 - 10:41 PM ET #9

    Packers - that was not an answer to my question. Not evenly remotely. Address the question or move along.

    If teumpcare comes to light then I wonder how you and your close ones will be impacted?
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    Packers - that was not an answer to my question. Not evenly remotely. Address the question or move along.

    If teumpcare comes to light then I wonder how you and your close ones will be impacted?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2017 - 10:43 PM ET #10

    Is obstruction in the name of obstruction good? Where is the fix??? How does this help people??? Who stands to benefit???
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    Is obstruction in the name of obstruction good? Where is the fix??? How does this help people??? Who stands to benefit???
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2017 - 10:45 PM ET #11

    do i see a dr unless i am dying then not much effect here mattbrot
    will the emergency room treat you if you are dying of a heart attack anyway, yes so the health blah blah blah does not really effect me .
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    do i see a dr unless i am dying then not much effect here mattbrot
    will the emergency room treat you if you are dying of a heart attack anyway, yes so the health blah blah blah does not really effect me .
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2017 - 10:46 PM ET #12

    Are you familiar with the expression "do not cut off your nose to spite your face"?
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    Are you familiar with the expression "do not cut off your nose to spite your face"?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2017 - 10:47 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    do i see a dr unless i am dying then not much effect here mattbrot
    will the emergency room treat you if you are dying of a heart attack anyway, yes so the health blah blah blah does not really effect me .


    dude, my 8 year old understands healthcare better than you. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    do i see a dr unless i am dying then not much effect here mattbrot
    will the emergency room treat you if you are dying of a heart attack anyway, yes so the health blah blah blah does not really effect me .


    dude, my 8 year old understands healthcare better than you. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2017 - 10:54 PM ET #14

    Haha. Nature can I write your response off as it being late and your are DRUNK????

    Please???? Pretty please?????

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    Haha. Nature can I write your response off as it being late and your are DRUNK????

    Please???? Pretty please?????

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2017 - 10:54 PM ET #15

    My mom makes 39K a year with a 14K deductible she can't use....So leaching would be better than Obamacare

    Democrats don't care about America

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    My mom makes 39K a year with a 14K deductible she can't use....So leaching would be better than Obamacare

    Democrats don't care about America

     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2017 - 11:15 PM ET #16

    haha packers. You are post just helped prove my point. Thanks in advance
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    haha packers. You are post just helped prove my point. Thanks in advance
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2017 - 11:31 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



    dude, my 8 year old understands healthcare better than you. 
    i had 8 vaccinations when i was a kid, your youth had 67 and probably suffers from autism for the effects of autism for all the mercury delivered with those vaccinations. but do not take my word for this phenomena ask Robert Kennedy jr . if you can get past his linguistic impediment (he stutters) he makes a lot of sense. see bill myer interview with Robert Kennedy jr. youtube its about 4 years old but truth has a ring and repeating fda pharmaceutical propaganda does not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



    dude, my 8 year old understands healthcare better than you. 
    i had 8 vaccinations when i was a kid, your youth had 67 and probably suffers from autism for the effects of autism for all the mercury delivered with those vaccinations. but do not take my word for this phenomena ask Robert Kennedy jr . if you can get past his linguistic impediment (he stutters) he makes a lot of sense. see bill myer interview with Robert Kennedy jr. youtube its about 4 years old but truth has a ring and repeating fda pharmaceutical propaganda does not.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2017 - 11:35 PM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:

    Haha. Nature can I write your response off as it being late and your are DRUNK????

    Please???? Pretty please?????


    stone cold sober rehearsing for wsop silly... but i am sure to be drunk again just need to take the summer off from the vice. so georgia 6th district went blue? it was a lock no? ...hmmm whol lot more democrat for i am non partisan and you well .... not so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattbrot:

    Haha. Nature can I write your response off as it being late and your are DRUNK????

    Please???? Pretty please?????


    stone cold sober rehearsing for wsop silly... but i am sure to be drunk again just need to take the summer off from the vice. so georgia 6th district went blue? it was a lock no? ...hmmm whol lot more democrat for i am non partisan and you well .... not so much.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 20, 2017 - 11:52 PM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    do i see a dr unless i am dying then not much effect here mattbrot
    will the emergency room treat you if you are dying of a heart attack anyway, yes so the health blah blah blah does not really effect me .


    President Obama has promised his signature health law will gradually reduce expensive ER visits as access to other kinds of care is expanded. Critics contend newly insured patients — especially those enrolled in Medi-Cal, the state's low-income health program that picks up most patient costs — aren't likely to seek care elsewhere, and will overwhelm emergency rooms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    do i see a dr unless i am dying then not much effect here mattbrot
    will the emergency room treat you if you are dying of a heart attack anyway, yes so the health blah blah blah does not really effect me .


    President Obama has promised his signature health law will gradually reduce expensive ER visits as access to other kinds of care is expanded. Critics contend newly insured patients — especially those enrolled in Medi-Cal, the state's low-income health program that picks up most patient costs — aren't likely to seek care elsewhere, and will overwhelm emergency rooms.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 21, 2017 - 12:03 AM ET #20

    he also stated health costs would go down , you could keep your dr. and health of americans could improve, bengazi was about a video tape syria had a red line, he talk to putin after the election were over, iran deal was good...ect ect ect. he was born liar. 
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    he also stated health costs would go down , you could keep your dr. and health of americans could improve, bengazi was about a video tape syria had a red line, he talk to putin after the election were over, iran deal was good...ect ect ect. he was born liar. 
     
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    Let's see how GOP handles our health care system from here, they win 2018 and 2010 elections with ease if most Americans like it. Or, Dems take over in 2018 and 2020 if GOP backfires the health care system to ashes. 
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    Let's see how GOP handles our health care system from here, they win 2018 and 2010 elections with ease if most Americans like it. Or, Dems take over in 2018 and 2020 if GOP backfires the health care system to ashes. 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 21, 2017 - 12:07 AM ET #22

    but not to fear little blue supporters he left a trail of bread crumbs to stall the republicans annomynous hacked the dnc server isis hack hillary server. Trump and his son in law borrowed money from russian banks and qatar is now boycotted from the arabian sunni alliance . but a world of made up make believe. well it is not so easy to tell the truth.
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    but not to fear little blue supporters he left a trail of bread crumbs to stall the republicans annomynous hacked the dnc server isis hack hillary server. Trump and his son in law borrowed money from russian banks and qatar is now boycotted from the arabian sunni alliance . but a world of made up make believe. well it is not so easy to tell the truth.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 21, 2017 - 12:09 AM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Let's see how GOP handles our health care system from here, they win 2018 and 2010 elections with ease if most Americans like it. Or, Dems take over in 2018 and 2020 if GOP backfires the health care system to ashes. 

    yes like the redsox from 1920 - 2000 or cubs 1910-2015  there is always next year....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Let's see how GOP handles our health care system from here, they win 2018 and 2010 elections with ease if most Americans like it. Or, Dems take over in 2018 and 2020 if GOP backfires the health care system to ashes. 

    yes like the redsox from 1920 - 2000 or cubs 1910-2015  there is always next year....
     
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    Posted: Jun. 21, 2017 - 12:36 AM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:


    yes like the redsox from 1920 - 2000 or cubs 1910-2015  there is always next year....

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:


    yes like the redsox from 1920 - 2000 or cubs 1910-2015  there is always next year....

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    Posted: Jun. 21, 2017 - 1:50 AM ET #25

    Our health care system will not get cheaper until we address the issues that drive the cost to ridiculous amounts.

    NO way we can afford status quo prices no matter what plan is put forward.
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    Our health care system will not get cheaper until we address the issues that drive the cost to ridiculous amounts.

    NO way we can afford status quo prices no matter what plan is put forward.
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