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    Shenanigans with trumps cabinet picks

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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2017 - 6:30 PM ET #1

    I'll start off by saying that the dems are not above scrutiny either and have their own share of hypocrisy. Fair enough.

    But for the republicans who like to act like their side is ethical and follows the letter of the law. I say shame on you. What is going on right now with the unethical maneuvering in the cabinet picks is shameful. To say that it is unprecedented is an understatement.
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    I'll start off by saying that the dems are not above scrutiny either and have their own share of hypocrisy. Fair enough.

    But for the republicans who like to act like their side is ethical and follows the letter of the law. I say shame on you. What is going on right now with the unethical maneuvering in the cabinet picks is shameful. To say that it is unprecedented is an understatement.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2017 - 6:34 PM ET #2

    What is wrong with the cabinet,
    besides the obvious idealogical difference?

    about the strongest cabinet I have witnessed.
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    What is wrong with the cabinet,
    besides the obvious idealogical difference?

    about the strongest cabinet I have witnessed.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2017 - 7:02 PM ET #3

    It is not so much the picks, although almost all can be argued. It is more in the way that the process has gone against the very fabric that the US has been founded on. And the way that the right (mainly McConnel) is pushing things through this time when there is recorded evidence of him having issues if the same thing in the past.

    I am not inventing these notions.
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    It is not so much the picks, although almost all can be argued. It is more in the way that the process has gone against the very fabric that the US has been founded on. And the way that the right (mainly McConnel) is pushing things through this time when there is recorded evidence of him having issues if the same thing in the past.

    I am not inventing these notions.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2017 - 7:48 PM ET #4

    Yes McConnell is calling for an eventual up or down 51% vote
    after arbitrtion is reached. This is not unprecedented.
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    Yes McConnell is calling for an eventual up or down 51% vote
    after arbitrtion is reached. This is not unprecedented.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 10, 2017 - 9:39 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Yes McConnell is calling for an eventual up or down 51% vote
    after arbitrtion is reached. This is not unprecedented.
    I believe this is what matt is talking about nature. A letter that turtleman sent to reed in 2009.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/8/1618252/-Here-Were-McConnell-s-Requirements-For-Obama-s-Nominees?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Yes McConnell is calling for an eventual up or down 51% vote
    after arbitrtion is reached. This is not unprecedented.
    I believe this is what matt is talking about nature. A letter that turtleman sent to reed in 2009.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/1/8/1618252/-Here-Were-McConnell-s-Requirements-For-Obama-s-Nominees?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2017 - 8:43 AM ET #6

    and then Obama so eloquently debated
    "this is the results of the will of the people."
    "why we have elections,
    he snubbed the republicans, and Scooby aka as harry Reid. went into a slow mo.
    and nothing got done....
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    and then Obama so eloquently debated
    "this is the results of the will of the people."
    "why we have elections,
    he snubbed the republicans, and Scooby aka as harry Reid. went into a slow mo.
    and nothing got done....
     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2017 - 8:48 AM ET #7

    It got so obvious . that nothing was being done
    that during hearings members were playing online poker for " play " chips.
    https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A0LEViv6NnZY0oAAq6MPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=Mccain+Playing+Poker+During+Hearing&fr=yhs-adk-adk_sbnt&hspart=adk&hsimp=yhs-adk_sbnt

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    It got so obvious . that nothing was being done
    that during hearings members were playing online poker for " play " chips.
    https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A0LEViv6NnZY0oAAq6MPxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjB0aG5zBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--?p=Mccain+Playing+Poker+During+Hearing&fr=yhs-adk-adk_sbnt&hspart=adk&hsimp=yhs-adk_sbnt

     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2017 - 4:51 PM ET #8

    did you really think these cabinet positions were going to be not filled?
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    did you really think these cabinet positions were going to be not filled?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2017 - 5:35 PM ET #9

    So you feel that vetting is not important?

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    So you feel that vetting is not important?

     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2017 - 6:11 PM ET #10

    these men have served the public for a career. whether in buisness, trade, finance, or political service . they have been vetted.
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    these men have served the public for a career. whether in buisness, trade, finance, or political service . they have been vetted.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2017 - 6:16 PM ET #11

    Gen Mattis, Gen Kellogg, and Departman of homeland security Gen served us and us interests for a combined term of more than 100 years. The have a file. Jeff Sessions has served in congress and the senate for 5 decades for american interests. He has a file and can not be described as the man he was 50 years ago no one could be.

    Clearly Trump has delivered his message He wants to build a wall.
    he wants to stop ford and fiat chrysler from building new manufacturing centers overseas.
    He delivered. he wanted carrier to stay It did.
    and he wants to strengthen Americans Position in the world.
    I believe he will deliver with this team.
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    Gen Mattis, Gen Kellogg, and Departman of homeland security Gen served us and us interests for a combined term of more than 100 years. The have a file. Jeff Sessions has served in congress and the senate for 5 decades for american interests. He has a file and can not be described as the man he was 50 years ago no one could be.

    Clearly Trump has delivered his message He wants to build a wall.
    he wants to stop ford and fiat chrysler from building new manufacturing centers overseas.
    He delivered. he wanted carrier to stay It did.
    and he wants to strengthen Americans Position in the world.
    I believe he will deliver with this team.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2017 - 7:51 PM ET #12

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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2017 - 8:01 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:

    Former Sen. Ted Kennedy (RIP) was awful, out of control and derisive in calling Sessions a "racist." 

    The bogus racism claims are divisive. I am so sick and tired of FAKE news trying to manipulate public opinions.


    only a person with a half a brain could think that aca was a good piece of legislation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:

    Former Sen. Ted Kennedy (RIP) was awful, out of control and derisive in calling Sessions a "racist." 

    The bogus racism claims are divisive. I am so sick and tired of FAKE news trying to manipulate public opinions.


    only a person with a half a brain could think that aca was a good piece of legislation
     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2017 - 8:43 PM ET #14

    It was compared to the republicans plan. Oh wait, they didn't have one! 
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    It was compared to the republicans plan. Oh wait, they didn't have one! 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2017 - 8:59 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    It was compared to the republicans plan. Oh wait, they didn't have one! 


    oh wait they did and the denial dems still do not want to talk about price/McCains plan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    It was compared to the republicans plan. Oh wait, they didn't have one! 


    oh wait they did and the denial dems still do not want to talk about price/McCains plan.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2017 - 9:57 PM ET #16

    so why wasn't this plan instituted in 2008?
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    so why wasn't this plan instituted in 2008?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2017 - 10:26 PM ET #17

    because without the mandate penalty it set insurance rates at that scale. Industry could add a little but without mandatory customer counts profits would fail to meet optimal levels.

    the affordable care act is a 5,000 page plus document embedded with wording crafted by the insurance industry lobbyist pushed through in a closed door meeting.
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    because without the mandate penalty it set insurance rates at that scale. Industry could add a little but without mandatory customer counts profits would fail to meet optimal levels.

    the affordable care act is a 5,000 page plus document embedded with wording crafted by the insurance industry lobbyist pushed through in a closed door meeting.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2017 - 10:31 PM ET #18

    so when the aca was enacted there was no alternative republican plan?

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    so when the aca was enacted there was no alternative republican plan?

     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2017 - 10:40 PM ET #19

    individual and buisness mandates were set to be implememented on a set time schedual. However the economy stayed stagnant and Job growth was materailized, However most Job growth sector is found in sub prime retail sector, with chain smaller discount and Fast Food venues earning the most in Labor growth.

    These Jobs could not absorb the mandate and keep labor unemployment levels lower than desired levels. So by executive descision Obama postponed the mandate till more comfortable Levels in Labor could be addressed.

    This Hinged on Bernaki and Yellens descision for tapering of the economic easing policies at the Reserve Level.

    Individuals did address the mandate and as a result of the penalties and the pay of 200 for a avg 25 hour part time work, this was off set by the earned tax credit for those without children making 5-12,000 yearly per Job.

    Hence the dispursement of Retail went to those who kept the current retail job and added another to gain more hours.

    The alternative has never really been given much of a public voice more the
    Republicans want you all to suffer from sickness with out insurance bias we get from the nightly news.


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    individual and buisness mandates were set to be implememented on a set time schedual. However the economy stayed stagnant and Job growth was materailized, However most Job growth sector is found in sub prime retail sector, with chain smaller discount and Fast Food venues earning the most in Labor growth.

    These Jobs could not absorb the mandate and keep labor unemployment levels lower than desired levels. So by executive descision Obama postponed the mandate till more comfortable Levels in Labor could be addressed.

    This Hinged on Bernaki and Yellens descision for tapering of the economic easing policies at the Reserve Level.

    Individuals did address the mandate and as a result of the penalties and the pay of 200 for a avg 25 hour part time work, this was off set by the earned tax credit for those without children making 5-12,000 yearly per Job.

    Hence the dispursement of Retail went to those who kept the current retail job and added another to gain more hours.

    The alternative has never really been given much of a public voice more the
    Republicans want you all to suffer from sickness with out insurance bias we get from the nightly news.


     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2017 - 10:45 PM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    so when the aca was enacted there was no alternative republican plan?



    Price introduced this plan as a bipartisan compromise in 2009
    Obama called in the entire moderate delegation from the republican party to meet with in the contexts of compromise and discuss terms of a Grand Bargain.
    Pelosi, Reid, and Clinton worked with in this legislation and moved some heavy weights to move this Sen Kennedy last speech on the floor was to get behind the affordable care act. well after brain surgery to remove cancer.
    and Prices plan always get the repeal replace and edits Price's 2009 Legislation
    democrats had both gavels ended debate and railroad this through. and dems and reps dont get along since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    so when the aca was enacted there was no alternative republican plan?



    Price introduced this plan as a bipartisan compromise in 2009
    Obama called in the entire moderate delegation from the republican party to meet with in the contexts of compromise and discuss terms of a Grand Bargain.
    Pelosi, Reid, and Clinton worked with in this legislation and moved some heavy weights to move this Sen Kennedy last speech on the floor was to get behind the affordable care act. well after brain surgery to remove cancer.
    and Prices plan always get the repeal replace and edits Price's 2009 Legislation
    democrats had both gavels ended debate and railroad this through. and dems and reps dont get along since.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2017 - 10:51 PM ET #21

    Prices plan allows Vermont to use the alotment for State Medicaid and Federal Medicare programs however an individual allot ment for the plan would be availible to the public or private. for instense if the state values their plan as 2,000 per year per individual. then corporations could purchase state group plans as well as preexisting condition If a Private plan was not desirable, and subsequently off set by tax credit.
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    Prices plan allows Vermont to use the alotment for State Medicaid and Federal Medicare programs however an individual allot ment for the plan would be availible to the public or private. for instense if the state values their plan as 2,000 per year per individual. then corporations could purchase state group plans as well as preexisting condition If a Private plan was not desirable, and subsequently off set by tax credit.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2017 - 10:54 PM ET #22

    insurance industry could lose customers to state coverage modeled after Vermont and championed by sanders. and vice versa Individuals could purchase Insurance Adgency plans with Medicare and Medicaid alotments under the Price plan
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    insurance industry could lose customers to state coverage modeled after Vermont and championed by sanders. and vice versa Individuals could purchase Insurance Adgency plans with Medicare and Medicaid alotments under the Price plan
     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2017 - 10:54 PM ET #23

    republicans controlled congress in 2008 and 2009. They did nothing

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    republicans controlled congress in 2008 and 2009. They did nothing

     
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    Posted: Jan. 11, 2017 - 11:10 PM ET #24

    finally the Medicare used under tarp guidelines could build value to catastrophic surgery and rehabilitation needs providing a pool to a immediate family group and allowing individuals to move money to offset other Health care cost needs, example your hit by truck and you vow to walk again 15,000 a week rehab five year program.

    these issuing costs can be directly absorbed by current savings plans
    or the transfer penalty free of ira savings.
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    finally the Medicare used under tarp guidelines could build value to catastrophic surgery and rehabilitation needs providing a pool to a immediate family group and allowing individuals to move money to offset other Health care cost needs, example your hit by truck and you vow to walk again 15,000 a week rehab five year program.

    these issuing costs can be directly absorbed by current savings plans
    or the transfer penalty free of ira savings.
     
     
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    Democrats controlled both houses and p1600 at the end of the 2008 election cycle. and lost the house in 2010. kept the seante a coin flip till 2006
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    Democrats controlled both houses and p1600 at the end of the 2008 election cycle. and lost the house in 2010. kept the seante a coin flip till 2006
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