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    Science shows that torture does not work

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    DogbiteWilliams
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    Posted: May. 19, 2016 - 9:04 PM ET #1

    https://www.newsweek.com/science-shows-torture-doesnt-work-456854?rx=us&piano_d=1

    A telling quote:

    "torture can produce false information by harming those areas of the brain associated with memory"

    Of course this won't stop pro-torture Donald "My Mind Is Made Up, So Don't Confuse Me With the Facts" Trump.
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    https://www.newsweek.com/science-shows-torture-doesnt-work-456854?rx=us&piano_d=1

    A telling quote:

    "torture can produce false information by harming those areas of the brain associated with memory"

    Of course this won't stop pro-torture Donald "My Mind Is Made Up, So Don't Confuse Me With the Facts" Trump.
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2016 - 12:55 AM ET #2

    It's funny how some people are so against truth and science.

    Maybe we should start a "war on science" to add to our other wars 
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    It's funny how some people are so against truth and science.

    Maybe we should start a "war on science" to add to our other wars 
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2016 - 12:42 PM ET #3

    Torture is unnecessary. We have machines that use eye movement technology as well as physical effects. The computer sends a group of subliminal pictures through he retna and gages body responses. It adapts audio through the ear drum with in 30 minutes it can ask a question and discern the truth without an audio voice response. 

    Uses the concepts developed by Hawkins computer system. Physical torture is not nessary .
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    Torture is unnecessary. We have machines that use eye movement technology as well as physical effects. The computer sends a group of subliminal pictures through he retna and gages body responses. It adapts audio through the ear drum with in 30 minutes it can ask a question and discern the truth without an audio voice response. 

    Uses the concepts developed by Hawkins computer system. Physical torture is not nessary .
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2016 - 1:56 PM ET #4

    What if members of the mafia were doing the torture? Would you have the same projections of effectiveness?
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    What if members of the mafia were doing the torture? Would you have the same projections of effectiveness?
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2016 - 7:59 PM ET #5

    Donald Trump approves of waterboarding and would approve more than that.....“And don’t kid yourself folks, it works, okay? It works.” said Trump..

    Trump said only a stupid person would argue otherwise....“And you know what?   If it doesn’t work, they deserve it anyway for what they’re doing to us,” ( the other side ) he said. “But it works. It works.”  LOL
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    Donald Trump approves of waterboarding and would approve more than that.....“And don’t kid yourself folks, it works, okay? It works.” said Trump..

    Trump said only a stupid person would argue otherwise....“And you know what?   If it doesn’t work, they deserve it anyway for what they’re doing to us,” ( the other side ) he said. “But it works. It works.”  LOL
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2016 - 8:23 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Donald Trump approves of waterboarding and would approve more than that.....“And don’t kid yourself folks, it works, okay? It works.” said Trump..

    Trump said only a stupid person would argue otherwise....“And you know what?   If it doesn’t work, they deserve it anyway for what they’re doing to us,” ( the other side ) he said. “But it works. It works.”  LOL

    Are stupid people the same as the 'poorly educated' people that he so loves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Donald Trump approves of waterboarding and would approve more than that.....“And don’t kid yourself folks, it works, okay? It works.” said Trump..

    Trump said only a stupid person would argue otherwise....“And you know what?   If it doesn’t work, they deserve it anyway for what they’re doing to us,” ( the other side ) he said. “But it works. It works.”  LOL

    Are stupid people the same as the 'poorly educated' people that he so loves?
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2016 - 8:41 PM ET #7

    Trump logic would be insulting if you weren't stupid and/or uneducated 
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    Trump logic would be insulting if you weren't stupid and/or uneducated 
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2016 - 10:17 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:


    Are stupid people the same as the 'poorly educated' people that he so loves?


    Yes BWS77.....there are millions and millions .NO ..10's of millions of stupid and poorly politically educated people in America..if a candidate can capture just 60 % of them they would win the presidentcy...the Democrats have been doing it for years and years ...why can't the republicans get some of that action ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:


    Are stupid people the same as the 'poorly educated' people that he so loves?


    Yes BWS77.....there are millions and millions .NO ..10's of millions of stupid and poorly politically educated people in America..if a candidate can capture just 60 % of them they would win the presidentcy...the Democrats have been doing it for years and years ...why can't the republicans get some of that action ?
     
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    Posted: May. 20, 2016 - 11:17 PM ET #9

    The info gathered by torture is not accurate. The individual used to conduct the interview as well as the subject who is being interviewed are both not interested in getting truthful answers. They both become the victims of the process and neither can be found in this or any other society. They become nothing. At the advanced interrogation techniques  lead tomwar crime tribunals. This practice does more harm to the creditability of the United States than any other act. It jeopardizes any real moral standing in. Demanding Geneva convention rules be used any sense of moral standings in natural discernment of humanity.

    We found Usama by way of blood tests by a group of medical providers in Pakistan the story of the ccurrier was propaganda. We never stopped the execution of the chief medical officer because we were not going to honor the bounty we offered.

    The USA has lost all creditability in the world we use assets to point we get our goals met than we dispose of our liabilities like taking trash to a recycler and we have done it for years.

    Water boarding ha that's funny. If that is measure of torture are you in for a shock at what is really done. 

    Case being we don't have to do it unless you just want to Stoke your hidden. Narcistic ways. Again blinky Hawkins computer can read Hawkins mind. This is how truth is traveled in the reality of CIA or mi6 programs.why because jihadist fight as if they already died. They are walking dead men and do not wish to live. So you threaten them with drowning?   Stop believing this administration's story tellers they do not know the truth nor do they want any one to realize the truth. For it is forbidden just to mention it.  So they come up with AA story. Remember the film that was never made that had our embassy in nengazi sacked?  How about the one where the Russian commercial liner from Cairo went down do to mechanical problems. Then their was that doozy. Of whether syrian government gassed their own citizens. Or how about.....you get the point still looking for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
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    The info gathered by torture is not accurate. The individual used to conduct the interview as well as the subject who is being interviewed are both not interested in getting truthful answers. They both become the victims of the process and neither can be found in this or any other society. They become nothing. At the advanced interrogation techniques  lead tomwar crime tribunals. This practice does more harm to the creditability of the United States than any other act. It jeopardizes any real moral standing in. Demanding Geneva convention rules be used any sense of moral standings in natural discernment of humanity.

    We found Usama by way of blood tests by a group of medical providers in Pakistan the story of the ccurrier was propaganda. We never stopped the execution of the chief medical officer because we were not going to honor the bounty we offered.

    The USA has lost all creditability in the world we use assets to point we get our goals met than we dispose of our liabilities like taking trash to a recycler and we have done it for years.

    Water boarding ha that's funny. If that is measure of torture are you in for a shock at what is really done. 

    Case being we don't have to do it unless you just want to Stoke your hidden. Narcistic ways. Again blinky Hawkins computer can read Hawkins mind. This is how truth is traveled in the reality of CIA or mi6 programs.why because jihadist fight as if they already died. They are walking dead men and do not wish to live. So you threaten them with drowning?   Stop believing this administration's story tellers they do not know the truth nor do they want any one to realize the truth. For it is forbidden just to mention it.  So they come up with AA story. Remember the film that was never made that had our embassy in nengazi sacked?  How about the one where the Russian commercial liner from Cairo went down do to mechanical problems. Then their was that doozy. Of whether syrian government gassed their own citizens. Or how about.....you get the point still looking for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq?
     
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    Posted: May. 21, 2016 - 8:27 PM ET #10

    Some of you here are truly mindless.  The fact is that if you want to find a "scientific person or study" to back up anything, you will find it.  It takes a truly scientific person to seek out the alternative opinion and evidence backing

    For those that say evolution is fact, there are mountains of evidence that say not so - but you have to open your mind and accept it.

    For those that think that global warming is scientific fact, you only have read about 20% of the propaganda... and you are likely too scared to read the rest of the story.

    Liberals remain the lowest of all low information people.  They accept propaganda as fact without any honest challenge.

    There are libraries of volumes of evidence that proves beyond any reasonable doubt that "enhanced interrogation" techniques are in fact very successful.  With no doubt whatsoever.  But if you want to read something that makes the other side look silly and accept that as fact, I cannot help you.  You are too lazy or stupid to do any actual research or thought
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    Some of you here are truly mindless.  The fact is that if you want to find a "scientific person or study" to back up anything, you will find it.  It takes a truly scientific person to seek out the alternative opinion and evidence backing

    For those that say evolution is fact, there are mountains of evidence that say not so - but you have to open your mind and accept it.

    For those that think that global warming is scientific fact, you only have read about 20% of the propaganda... and you are likely too scared to read the rest of the story.

    Liberals remain the lowest of all low information people.  They accept propaganda as fact without any honest challenge.

    There are libraries of volumes of evidence that proves beyond any reasonable doubt that "enhanced interrogation" techniques are in fact very successful.  With no doubt whatsoever.  But if you want to read something that makes the other side look silly and accept that as fact, I cannot help you.  You are too lazy or stupid to do any actual research or thought
     
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    Posted: May. 21, 2016 - 11:55 PM ET #11

    When where? When did advance interrogation techniques reveal creditable evidence. Did Germans realize the bomb? They were masters of this trade. Did Stalin assertain the where abouts of CIA safe home he had fivve agents endured emense pressures and still the safe house remains today. Did make Charlie get the chance exact info from McCain of the bombing schedule of the Navy in time to. Stop the Hanoi pancake campaign. Japan devulge the locations of the time when so many in Philippines were lost under MacArthur. When sports fan did any credit table intelligence ever gathered by infliction of pain and suffering to get a loyalist to give up his brothers to the enemy. Maybe when used on some weak minded greavance filled idiot. But not from here.
    And why cause in that situation you will say anything to be released from your body you seek death.
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    When where? When did advance interrogation techniques reveal creditable evidence. Did Germans realize the bomb? They were masters of this trade. Did Stalin assertain the where abouts of CIA safe home he had fivve agents endured emense pressures and still the safe house remains today. Did make Charlie get the chance exact info from McCain of the bombing schedule of the Navy in time to. Stop the Hanoi pancake campaign. Japan devulge the locations of the time when so many in Philippines were lost under MacArthur. When sports fan did any credit table intelligence ever gathered by infliction of pain and suffering to get a loyalist to give up his brothers to the enemy. Maybe when used on some weak minded greavance filled idiot. But not from here.
    And why cause in that situation you will say anything to be released from your body you seek death.
     
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    Posted: May. 22, 2016 - 12:04 AM ET #12

    You seek death and they are mock drowning you. This somehow after a 10 year manhunt gives you the location of usama no. A medical team tested blood and gave usama up for it linked his daughters DNA to his he was unarmed in house arrest outside of a military facilllity in northern Pakistan. That is what pinpointed a dialsis patient 6 foot 7 . USA got him he wasn't armed he had no body guards there was no gun fight. This is the story tellers spin of the events.
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    You seek death and they are mock drowning you. This somehow after a 10 year manhunt gives you the location of usama no. A medical team tested blood and gave usama up for it linked his daughters DNA to his he was unarmed in house arrest outside of a military facilllity in northern Pakistan. That is what pinpointed a dialsis patient 6 foot 7 . USA got him he wasn't armed he had no body guards there was no gun fight. This is the story tellers spin of the events.
     
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    Posted: May. 22, 2016 - 12:06 AM ET #13

    sadly it doesnt work on strong minded people and it brings false memories

    for ex:  a dude was waterboarded 183 times, and then told the people were who boarding him that he gave orders ' that they ' were recruiting black men in montana...

    turns out they were not recruiting black men in montana. fbi spent months in montana... lol

    what works though? gangstalking, gaslighting and other tatics on people. mk ultra, and other see eye aye programs.

    there are too many dumb people on covers.com have a nice life

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    sadly it doesnt work on strong minded people and it brings false memories

    for ex:  a dude was waterboarded 183 times, and then told the people were who boarding him that he gave orders ' that they ' were recruiting black men in montana...

    turns out they were not recruiting black men in montana. fbi spent months in montana... lol

    what works though? gangstalking, gaslighting and other tatics on people. mk ultra, and other see eye aye programs.

    there are too many dumb people on covers.com have a nice life

     
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    Posted: May. 22, 2016 - 12:07 AM ET #14

    Why well Obama needed a birth certificate CIA wanted to take him by knife. Hillary called a haultmto the party and they beat his head in with rifle buts as Skippy watched from a folding chair pal.
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    Why well Obama needed a birth certificate CIA wanted to take him by knife. Hillary called a haultmto the party and they beat his head in with rifle buts as Skippy watched from a folding chair pal.
     
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    Posted: May. 22, 2016 - 12:09 AM ET #15

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    Posted: May. 22, 2016 - 12:18 AM ET #16

    torture only works on republicans and democrats who think it works or watches too many movies that have torturing scenes that do work

    never trust the movies.
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    torture only works on republicans and democrats who think it works or watches too many movies that have torturing scenes that do work

    never trust the movies.
     
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    Posted: May. 22, 2016 - 12:18 AM ET #17

    Torture was not an effective way of acquiring information or gaining cooperation from prisoners according to 2014 Senate intelligence committee report.  Also CIA provided false information about  effectiveness of enhanced interrogation techniques.
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    Torture was not an effective way of acquiring information or gaining cooperation from prisoners according to 2014 Senate intelligence committee report.  Also CIA provided false information about  effectiveness of enhanced interrogation techniques.
     
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    Posted: May. 22, 2016 - 12:21 AM ET #18

    heres what works

    https://youtu.be/ZRmqgyMdg8U

    ^

    she got caught and told that if she didnt become a CI shes looking at four years of prison.
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    heres what works

    https://youtu.be/ZRmqgyMdg8U

    ^

    she got caught and told that if she didnt become a CI shes looking at four years of prison.
     
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    Posted: May. 22, 2016 - 12:24 AM ET #19

    https://youtu.be/QucvcY7j0bg


    heres another one.... torture dont work, but this does.
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    https://youtu.be/QucvcY7j0bg


    heres another one.... torture dont work, but this does.
     
    nature1970
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    So if didn't work why the big campaign to say it does? Cause g.w.bush  adminstration has been indicted by a Geneva convention on war crimes in Iraq Afghanistan and Pakistan for not adhering to the Geneva convention. USA isn't going to turn him over. But he is on the hook for leading the world to war for false pretense remember the weapons of mass destruction. For not giving prisoners of war fair and reasonable treatment. Gitmo and Abu Dhabi prisons. And for breach of allied countries interests. Ect ect ect. 
    The world snubs the USA cause we are in breech of our international agreement .

    It's hard to drive a across because the world's economic interests hang in the balance. Obama doesn't realize this cause he just clueless about the arrangement. But if Saudi thinks they have USA over a barrel we broke it with tar sands mining in Alberta. Plenty of oil and no more environmental concerns seeing the region was just devasted by wild fires.

    Saudi been into alot of dirty pool tatics with the world buckling to oiil

    So now sanctions against Iran are lifted world wide so Saudis odoesnt have the same weight in leverage to their ends.

    This big merry go round has a day to which this secret society of the world's elites piss match is not ending but is going to start to unravel

    Where does it all lead. Family first. Community then locality then county state or province what ever coin your on then federal concerns before worldly goals can materialize.

    Those worldly goals sustained growth and development so all humans will have no fear of want.

    War mongers hate the squeeze the top and bottom are pushing them to so they must hold their line art national or federal levels.
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    So if didn't work why the big campaign to say it does? Cause g.w.bush  adminstration has been indicted by a Geneva convention on war crimes in Iraq Afghanistan and Pakistan for not adhering to the Geneva convention. USA isn't going to turn him over. But he is on the hook for leading the world to war for false pretense remember the weapons of mass destruction. For not giving prisoners of war fair and reasonable treatment. Gitmo and Abu Dhabi prisons. And for breach of allied countries interests. Ect ect ect. 
    The world snubs the USA cause we are in breech of our international agreement .

    It's hard to drive a across because the world's economic interests hang in the balance. Obama doesn't realize this cause he just clueless about the arrangement. But if Saudi thinks they have USA over a barrel we broke it with tar sands mining in Alberta. Plenty of oil and no more environmental concerns seeing the region was just devasted by wild fires.

    Saudi been into alot of dirty pool tatics with the world buckling to oiil

    So now sanctions against Iran are lifted world wide so Saudis odoesnt have the same weight in leverage to their ends.

    This big merry go round has a day to which this secret society of the world's elites piss match is not ending but is going to start to unravel

    Where does it all lead. Family first. Community then locality then county state or province what ever coin your on then federal concerns before worldly goals can materialize.

    Those worldly goals sustained growth and development so all humans will have no fear of want.

    War mongers hate the squeeze the top and bottom are pushing them to so they must hold their line art national or federal levels.
     
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    Posted: May. 22, 2016 - 1:13 AM ET #21

    And in comes Trump. He has absolutely zero clue of what it is all about. He does understand how to make a great deal economically beneficial for USA but. Doesn't for see the consequences this hoorah I won done is in the loosers bracket. Cause the world is moving away from its dependence on the US market. It doesn't buy our oil. It is finding ways to developed it's own agriculture. It is providing itself with its own weapon systems and has been making physical and finicials vehical away from USA for about 8 years now. It developing UN South center and European global partners and seeks to do away  with dependence of even our reserve currency exchange. After the melt down on wall Street in 2008 the world has been working to eliminate it's dependence on Washington's interests and NY markets.
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    And in comes Trump. He has absolutely zero clue of what it is all about. He does understand how to make a great deal economically beneficial for USA but. Doesn't for see the consequences this hoorah I won done is in the loosers bracket. Cause the world is moving away from its dependence on the US market. It doesn't buy our oil. It is finding ways to developed it's own agriculture. It is providing itself with its own weapon systems and has been making physical and finicials vehical away from USA for about 8 years now. It developing UN South center and European global partners and seeks to do away  with dependence of even our reserve currency exchange. After the melt down on wall Street in 2008 the world has been working to eliminate it's dependence on Washington's interests and NY markets.
     
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    Posted: May. 22, 2016 - 1:32 AM ET #22

    trump is the best, what are u talking about!
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    trump is the best, what are u talking about!
     
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    Posted: May. 22, 2016 - 8:43 AM ET #23

    Anyone but Hillary.
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    Anyone but Hillary.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Torture was not an effective way of acquiring information or gaining cooperation from prisoners according to 2014 Senate intelligence committee report.  Also CIA provided false information about  effectiveness of enhanced interrogation techniques.

    We get it trump is ignorant to military tactics and cia reports 

    Scary to think that so much of the GOP majority would get fooled by such ignorance.  Scary but not surprising I guess based on history 
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Torture was not an effective way of acquiring information or gaining cooperation from prisoners according to 2014 Senate intelligence committee report.  Also CIA provided false information about  effectiveness of enhanced interrogation techniques.

    We get it trump is ignorant to military tactics and cia reports 

    Scary to think that so much of the GOP majority would get fooled by such ignorance.  Scary but not surprising I guess based on history 
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:


    We get it trump is ignorant to military tactics and cia reports 

    Scary to think that so much of the GOP majority would get fooled by such ignorance.  Scary but not surprising I guess based on history 

    So are you saying? 

    100% of GOP voters are fooled by Trump?

    Break it down by percentage pls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dl36:


    We get it trump is ignorant to military tactics and cia reports 

    Scary to think that so much of the GOP majority would get fooled by such ignorance.  Scary but not surprising I guess based on history 

    So are you saying? 

    100% of GOP voters are fooled by Trump?

    Break it down by percentage pls.
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