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    Same tired old voices in Congress continue to block infrastructure and jobs in America.

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    nature1970
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2021 - 12:48 PM ET #1

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Senate Republicans on Thursday blocked a $60 billion White House proposal to repair crumbling bridges, highways and other transportation systems as President Barack Obama’s job creation agenda hit another obstacle in Congress.

    All 47 Senate Republicans, one Democrat and one independent voted against a piece of Obama’s $447 billion stimulus plan that would have helped construction workers -- some of the hardest hit after the housing meltdown and economic downturn. The bill needed 60 votes to advance in the 100-seat Senate.

    Construction workers face a jobless rate of 13.3 percent, according to the Labor Department, far above the nationwide rate of 9.1 percent.

    Obama’s jobs plan is effectively dead in Congress, but Democrats are forcing Republicans to vote on it piece by piece as both sides dig in their heels before 2012 presidential and congressional elections in which the economy is expected to be a defining issue.

    “It’s more clear than ever that Republicans in Washington are out of touch with Americans from all ends of the political spectrum,” Obama, who is in France for the G20 summit, said in a statement after the bill was blocked.

    Obama is under pressure to create jobs and convince voters before the November 2012 presidential election that his administration can revive the economy.

    This was written in 2011.

    And the Republican party plan 

    paint new lipstick on this pig and sell it again to the American voters.

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Senate Republicans on Thursday blocked a $60 billion White House proposal to repair crumbling bridges, highways and other transportation systems as President Barack Obama’s job creation agenda hit another obstacle in Congress.

    All 47 Senate Republicans, one Democrat and one independent voted against a piece of Obama’s $447 billion stimulus plan that would have helped construction workers -- some of the hardest hit after the housing meltdown and economic downturn. The bill needed 60 votes to advance in the 100-seat Senate.

    Construction workers face a jobless rate of 13.3 percent, according to the Labor Department, far above the nationwide rate of 9.1 percent.

    Obama’s jobs plan is effectively dead in Congress, but Democrats are forcing Republicans to vote on it piece by piece as both sides dig in their heels before 2012 presidential and congressional elections in which the economy is expected to be a defining issue.

    “It’s more clear than ever that Republicans in Washington are out of touch with Americans from all ends of the political spectrum,” Obama, who is in France for the G20 summit, said in a statement after the bill was blocked.

    Obama is under pressure to create jobs and convince voters before the November 2012 presidential election that his administration can revive the economy.

    This was written in 2011.

    And the Republican party plan 

    paint new lipstick on this pig and sell it again to the American voters.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2021 - 12:54 PM ET #2

    2012.

     

    Senate Republicans on Thursday blocked the No.1 item on the president’s congressional “to-do-list,” refusing to allow a vote on a bill that would give tax breaks for companies that “insource” jobs to the U.S. from overseas while eliminating tax deductions for companies that move jobs abroad.

    In voting against the bill, Republicans raised both substantive and procedural problems with the measure.

    The bill fell four votes short of the 60 needed to bring it to debate, with 42 voting against it. Four GOP senators – Scott Brown of Massachusetts, Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine and Dean Heller of Nevada – voted in favor of the bill.

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    2012.

     

    Senate Republicans on Thursday blocked the No.1 item on the president’s congressional “to-do-list,” refusing to allow a vote on a bill that would give tax breaks for companies that “insource” jobs to the U.S. from overseas while eliminating tax deductions for companies that move jobs abroad.

    In voting against the bill, Republicans raised both substantive and procedural problems with the measure.

    The bill fell four votes short of the 60 needed to bring it to debate, with 42 voting against it. Four GOP senators – Scott Brown of Massachusetts, Susan Collins and Olympia Snowe of Maine and Dean Heller of Nevada – voted in favor of the bill.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2021 - 12:57 PM ET #3

    Posted May 8, 2012 at 2:00pm

    Updated: 7:40 p.m.

    You could call it the American Jobs Act, Version 2.0. But President Barack Obama’s latest effort to shrink his jobs agenda into bite-size chunks for Congress might not be any more successful than his first bid.

    Obama’s latest set of proposals is largely a recycled version of items he has offered before, including a home refinancing initiative, tax cuts for businesses that hire new workers or buy equipment, tax breaks for renewable energy and a shift in tax breaks from companies that ship jobs overseas to ones that bring them back home.

    Obama is also proposing a new Veterans Jobs Corps to help returning soldiers become police officers, firefighters and other community-focused jobs.

    As he announced the initiative in Albany, N.Y., Obama said he can only do so much without Congress

    Source. https://www.rollcall.com/2012/05/08/new-obama-jobs-plan-gets-same-gop-rebukes/

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    Posted May 8, 2012 at 2:00pm

    Updated: 7:40 p.m.

    You could call it the American Jobs Act, Version 2.0. But President Barack Obama’s latest effort to shrink his jobs agenda into bite-size chunks for Congress might not be any more successful than his first bid.

    Obama’s latest set of proposals is largely a recycled version of items he has offered before, including a home refinancing initiative, tax cuts for businesses that hire new workers or buy equipment, tax breaks for renewable energy and a shift in tax breaks from companies that ship jobs overseas to ones that bring them back home.

    Obama is also proposing a new Veterans Jobs Corps to help returning soldiers become police officers, firefighters and other community-focused jobs.

    As he announced the initiative in Albany, N.Y., Obama said he can only do so much without Congress

    Source. https://www.rollcall.com/2012/05/08/new-obama-jobs-plan-gets-same-gop-rebukes/

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2021 - 1:01 PM ET #4

    4 days ago right on our republicans prove they do not want middle class jobs in America.

    Republicans lining up to defeat work in America. 

    Republicans scoffed at the breadth of the plan — which includes traditional public-works projects as well as far-reaching initiatives to tackle climate change and racial inequities in the economy — and condemned Biden’s determination to pay for it in part with corporate tax increases.

    “We cannot begin thinking of bills that spend trillions as the new normal,” said Rep. Sam Graves of Missouri, the top Republican on the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee. “The president’s blueprint is a multitrillion-dollar partisan shopping list of progressive priorities, all broadly categorized as ‘infrastructure’ and paid for with massive, job-killing tax increases. 

    Source. https://www.deccanherald.com/international/world-news-politics/joe-biden-s-infrastructure-plan-meets-skepticism-968923.html

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    4 days ago right on our republicans prove they do not want middle class jobs in America.

    Republicans lining up to defeat work in America. 

    Republicans scoffed at the breadth of the plan — which includes traditional public-works projects as well as far-reaching initiatives to tackle climate change and racial inequities in the economy — and condemned Biden’s determination to pay for it in part with corporate tax increases.

    “We cannot begin thinking of bills that spend trillions as the new normal,” said Rep. Sam Graves of Missouri, the top Republican on the Transportation and Infrastructure Committee. “The president’s blueprint is a multitrillion-dollar partisan shopping list of progressive priorities, all broadly categorized as ‘infrastructure’ and paid for with massive, job-killing tax increases. 

    Source. https://www.deccanherald.com/international/world-news-politics/joe-biden-s-infrastructure-plan-meets-skepticism-968923.html

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2021 - 1:09 PM ET #5

    Here it is the Republican plan then and now.

     

     

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    Here it is the Republican plan then and now.

     

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2021 - 1:31 PM ET #6

    Confused it's all they have left is a primitive confusion spell. 

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    Confused it's all they have left is a primitive confusion spell. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2021 - 1:45 PM ET #7

    So in this narrative republicans stopped jobs from returning to America,  they voted to give corporations to outsource American jobs.

    So then at the 2012 they could blame Obama for 23 million unemployed.

    News flash it's mostly the same republicans that blocked good paying jobs then as now and it's same leaderships McConnell and McCarthy.  Same people stopping all possible recovery so they can win the selection circuit. 

    Let's stop falling for the same old horse and.piny show.  

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    So in this narrative republicans stopped jobs from returning to America,  they voted to give corporations to outsource American jobs.

    So then at the 2012 they could blame Obama for 23 million unemployed.

    News flash it's mostly the same republicans that blocked good paying jobs then as now and it's same leaderships McConnell and McCarthy.  Same people stopping all possible recovery so they can win the selection circuit. 

    Let's stop falling for the same old horse and.piny show.  

     
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    Posted: Apr. 4, 2021 - 2:16 PM ET #8

    Well said nature..

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    Well said nature..

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    Posted: May. 15, 2021 - 9:53 PM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Senate Republicans on Thursday blocked a $60 billion White House proposal to repair crumbling bridges, highways and other transportation systems as President Barack Obama’s job creation agenda hit another obstacle in Congress. All 47 Senate Republicans, one Democrat and one independent voted against a piece of Obama’s $447 billion stimulus plan that would have helped construction workers -- some of the hardest hit after the housing meltdown and economic downturn. The bill needed 60 votes to advance in the 100-seat Senate. Construction workers face a jobless rate of 13.3 percent, according to the Labor Department, far above the nationwide rate of 9.1 percent. Obama’s jobs plan is effectively dead in Congress, but Democrats are forcing Republicans to vote on it piece by piece as both sides dig in their heels before 2012 presidential and congressional elections in which the economy is expected to be a defining issue. “It’s more clear than ever that Republicans in Washington are out of touch with Americans from all ends of the political spectrum,” Obama, who is in France for the G20 summit, said in a statement after the bill was blocked. Obama is under pressure to create jobs and convince voters before the November 2012 presidential election that his administration can revive the economy. This was written in 2011. And the Republican party plan  paint new lipstick on this pig and sell it again to the American voters.

      an_light 

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Senate Republicans on Thursday blocked a $60 billion White House proposal to repair crumbling bridges, highways and other transportation systems as President Barack Obama’s job creation agenda hit another obstacle in Congress. All 47 Senate Republicans, one Democrat and one independent voted against a piece of Obama’s $447 billion stimulus plan that would have helped construction workers -- some of the hardest hit after the housing meltdown and economic downturn. The bill needed 60 votes to advance in the 100-seat Senate. Construction workers face a jobless rate of 13.3 percent, according to the Labor Department, far above the nationwide rate of 9.1 percent. Obama’s jobs plan is effectively dead in Congress, but Democrats are forcing Republicans to vote on it piece by piece as both sides dig in their heels before 2012 presidential and congressional elections in which the economy is expected to be a defining issue. “It’s more clear than ever that Republicans in Washington are out of touch with Americans from all ends of the political spectrum,” Obama, who is in France for the G20 summit, said in a statement after the bill was blocked. Obama is under pressure to create jobs and convince voters before the November 2012 presidential election that his administration can revive the economy. This was written in 2011. And the Republican party plan  paint new lipstick on this pig and sell it again to the American voters.

      an_light 

     
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    Posted: May. 17, 2021 - 2:18 AM ET #10

    country cant move forward bcuz repos in congress refuse to help america

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    country cant move forward bcuz repos in congress refuse to help america

     
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    Posted: May. 21, 2021 - 4:28 PM ET #11

    CNN

    White House officials on Friday presented a counteroffer to Republican lawmakers
    on their infrastructure and jobs package that reduced the size of the proposal from
    $2.25 trillion to just $1.7 trillion.

     

     

    *The only rational way to pay for it is through increasing taxes on the RICH
    back to levels we had in Bush and Obama years.
    Republicans say that is an automatic red line no matter how much is cut from
    the infrastructure bill.

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    CNN

    White House officials on Friday presented a counteroffer to Republican lawmakers
    on their infrastructure and jobs package that reduced the size of the proposal from
    $2.25 trillion to just $1.7 trillion.

     

     

    *The only rational way to pay for it is through increasing taxes on the RICH
    back to levels we had in Bush and Obama years.
    Republicans say that is an automatic red line no matter how much is cut from
    the infrastructure bill.

     
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    Posted: May. 22, 2021 - 3:39 AM ET #12

    Republicans are in run out the clock game .

    The problem is everyone can see the hypocrisy. 

    They are not going to let a huge investment for America if they had the house Senate and presidency . They would still block this package .

    They stalled the farm bill blocked exports to China,  drove a f America agenda all while singing make America great again.

    Stop destroying the nation and it would be a great place to live again.

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    Republicans are in run out the clock game .

    The problem is everyone can see the hypocrisy. 

    They are not going to let a huge investment for America if they had the house Senate and presidency . They would still block this package .

    They stalled the farm bill blocked exports to China,  drove a f America agenda all while singing make America great again.

    Stop destroying the nation and it would be a great place to live again.

     
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    Posted: May. 23, 2021 - 10:48 AM ET #13

    Why isn’t infrastructure covered by existing taxes? 

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    Why isn’t infrastructure covered by existing taxes? 

     
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    Posted: May. 23, 2021 - 11:30 AM ET #14

    The American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) estimates that if the 10-year U.S. infrastructure gap of US$2 trillion is not addressed, it will cost US$3.9 trillion in GDP by 2025

    https://infrastructure.aecom.com/infrastructure-funding

      Americans could soon experience “Thanksgiving-peak” transit volumes at 24 of the 30 largest airports at least once a week.6 Failure to invest in infrastructure is not just costly; it also impacts personal safety. Almost 10 percent of the bridges over which Americans drive – about 56,000 in total – are structurally deficient, as are 15,500 dams (17% of the total).7 The infrastructure gap is exacerbated by factors such as climate and technological change

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    The American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) estimates that if the 10-year U.S. infrastructure gap of US$2 trillion is not addressed, it will cost US$3.9 trillion in GDP by 2025

    https://infrastructure.aecom.com/infrastructure-funding

      Americans could soon experience “Thanksgiving-peak” transit volumes at 24 of the 30 largest airports at least once a week.6 Failure to invest in infrastructure is not just costly; it also impacts personal safety. Almost 10 percent of the bridges over which Americans drive – about 56,000 in total – are structurally deficient, as are 15,500 dams (17% of the total).7 The infrastructure gap is exacerbated by factors such as climate and technological change

     
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    Posted: May. 23, 2021 - 11:43 AM ET #15

    Public-sector budgets across the developed world are strained. U.S. state and municipal governments face unfunded pension liabilities of more than US$1.6 trillion, diverting tax revenues away from infrastructure development and maintenance. Moreover, the U.S. municipal bond market, which has funded much public-sector infrastructure, is facing headwinds as lower tax rates and persistently low interest rates make these bonds much less attractive to investors. It is noteworthy that municipal bonds are inefficient for tax-exempt investors, the largest pools of long-term capital, and they cannot be used to fund infrastructure developed by private-sector interests.

    There are no silver bullet solutions. And, given the stakes, inaction is not an option in addressing global need. What is required is a combination of approaches aligned behind a strong vision, transparency, innovation, a conducive regulatory and permitting environment, and willing partners – across borders, governments and industries – that can rise above complicating factors and build trust that leads to confidence in proceeding.

    Bottom line utilising private capital funding has been the route to local and stste highway bond packages the credit rating states ability to repay and the funding sources , originating eith equity in life insurance and retirement funds become sources of money, however this is not enough and roads bridges electrical grids are failing faster than maintanience can keep up to need.

    Constantly the do nothing republicans run it to structural failure has degraded our roads and bridges damn and rail lines to third world status in most of America. 

    We need to spend alot more on defense than on bridges and roads, obviously another air craft carrier group at 2 trillion than an American jobs act being fully funded within the federal government is not achievable with Republican obstructionist values in place.

    We should cut taxes and spend a lot more for top GOO leadership as they drive to bankrupt the government and the federal reserve.

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    Public-sector budgets across the developed world are strained. U.S. state and municipal governments face unfunded pension liabilities of more than US$1.6 trillion, diverting tax revenues away from infrastructure development and maintenance. Moreover, the U.S. municipal bond market, which has funded much public-sector infrastructure, is facing headwinds as lower tax rates and persistently low interest rates make these bonds much less attractive to investors. It is noteworthy that municipal bonds are inefficient for tax-exempt investors, the largest pools of long-term capital, and they cannot be used to fund infrastructure developed by private-sector interests.

    There are no silver bullet solutions. And, given the stakes, inaction is not an option in addressing global need. What is required is a combination of approaches aligned behind a strong vision, transparency, innovation, a conducive regulatory and permitting environment, and willing partners – across borders, governments and industries – that can rise above complicating factors and build trust that leads to confidence in proceeding.

    Bottom line utilising private capital funding has been the route to local and stste highway bond packages the credit rating states ability to repay and the funding sources , originating eith equity in life insurance and retirement funds become sources of money, however this is not enough and roads bridges electrical grids are failing faster than maintanience can keep up to need.

    Constantly the do nothing republicans run it to structural failure has degraded our roads and bridges damn and rail lines to third world status in most of America. 

    We need to spend alot more on defense than on bridges and roads, obviously another air craft carrier group at 2 trillion than an American jobs act being fully funded within the federal government is not achievable with Republican obstructionist values in place.

    We should cut taxes and spend a lot more for top GOO leadership as they drive to bankrupt the government and the federal reserve.

     
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    I thought gas taxes were used for infrastructure? 

    Our gas is taxed at an average of 41% and the average American uses 700 gallons a year. 

    Where is this money going? 

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    I thought gas taxes were used for infrastructure? 

    Our gas is taxed at an average of 41% and the average American uses 700 gallons a year. 

    Where is this money going? 

     
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    Look in a mirrow and learn to read 1.7 trillion to fix roads and Bridges and jobs most people don't want to work right now there's 5 jobs for 1 person take your head out of your ass and look around he!p wanted signs every where you look enjoy your new tax. inflation you guys so smart you stupid

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    Look in a mirrow and learn to read 1.7 trillion to fix roads and Bridges and jobs most people don't want to work right now there's 5 jobs for 1 person take your head out of your ass and look around he!p wanted signs every where you look enjoy your new tax. inflation you guys so smart you stupid

     
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    Posted: May. 25, 2021 - 5:38 AM ET #18

    End the welfare state and people would be willing to work these jobs 

     

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    End the welfare state and people would be willing to work these jobs 

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    So in this narrative republicans stopped jobs from returning to America,  they voted to give corporations to outsource American jobs. So then at the 2012 they could blame Obama for 23 million unemployed. News flash it's mostly the same republicans that blocked good paying jobs then as now and it's same leaderships McConnell and McCarthy.  Same people stopping all possible recovery so they can win the selection circuit.  Let's stop falling for the same old horse and.piny show.
    They're not falling for the old Pelosi "you gotta pass it to find out what's in it" game. The libs constantly bloat their bills with funding for garbage that has nothing to do with the original bill. They try to pad each others' wallets under the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    So in this narrative republicans stopped jobs from returning to America,  they voted to give corporations to outsource American jobs. So then at the 2012 they could blame Obama for 23 million unemployed. News flash it's mostly the same republicans that blocked good paying jobs then as now and it's same leaderships McConnell and McCarthy.  Same people stopping all possible recovery so they can win the selection circuit.  Let's stop falling for the same old horse and.piny show.
    They're not falling for the old Pelosi "you gotta pass it to find out what's in it" game. The libs constantly bloat their bills with funding for garbage that has nothing to do with the original bill. They try to pad each others' wallets under the table.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: So in this narrative republicans stopped jobs from returning to America,  they voted to give corporations to outsource American jobs. So then at the 2012 they could blame Obama for 23 million unemployed. News flash it's mostly the same republicans that blocked good paying jobs then as now and it's same leaderships McConnell and McCarthy.  Same people stopping all possible recovery so they can win the selection circuit.  Let's stop falling for the same old horse and.piny show. They're not falling for the old Pelosi "you gotta pass it to find out what's in it" game. The libs constantly bloat their bills with funding for garbage that has nothing to do with the original bill. They try to pad each others' wallets under the table.

    Both parties do this. We need to collectively start holding congress accountable instead of pointing fingers. Both sides suck. Both sides are shady.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: So in this narrative republicans stopped jobs from returning to America,  they voted to give corporations to outsource American jobs. So then at the 2012 they could blame Obama for 23 million unemployed. News flash it's mostly the same republicans that blocked good paying jobs then as now and it's same leaderships McConnell and McCarthy.  Same people stopping all possible recovery so they can win the selection circuit.  Let's stop falling for the same old horse and.piny show. They're not falling for the old Pelosi "you gotta pass it to find out what's in it" game. The libs constantly bloat their bills with funding for garbage that has nothing to do with the original bill. They try to pad each others' wallets under the table.

    Both parties do this. We need to collectively start holding congress accountable instead of pointing fingers. Both sides suck. Both sides are shady.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Republicans are in run out the clock game .

    The problem is everyone can see the hypocrisy. 

    They are not going to let a huge investment for America if they had the house Senate and presidency  they would still block this package .

    They stalled the farm bill blocked exports to China,  drove a f America agenda all while singing MAGA.

    Stop destroying the nation and it would be a great place to live again.

    Good points. 

    However at this point I think the trump party will do everything to "run out the clock" as you say.   It is to their political advantage (but to the overall detriment to America) for them to delay or block any further bill passages until AFTER 2022 mid-terms, and depending on those results, perhaps STALL much, much longer.

    This is large part of the reason WHY Americans of all ideologies say 'Washington never gets anything done' and then reprimands the majority in power as if it is all entirely their fault --- while completely ignoring the senate filibuster rule that actually gives the MINORITY party the power to advance or stall productive bills just for political agendas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970:

    Republicans are in run out the clock game .

    The problem is everyone can see the hypocrisy. 

    They are not going to let a huge investment for America if they had the house Senate and presidency  they would still block this package .

    They stalled the farm bill blocked exports to China,  drove a f America agenda all while singing MAGA.

    Stop destroying the nation and it would be a great place to live again.

    Good points. 

    However at this point I think the trump party will do everything to "run out the clock" as you say.   It is to their political advantage (but to the overall detriment to America) for them to delay or block any further bill passages until AFTER 2022 mid-terms, and depending on those results, perhaps STALL much, much longer.

    This is large part of the reason WHY Americans of all ideologies say 'Washington never gets anything done' and then reprimands the majority in power as if it is all entirely their fault --- while completely ignoring the senate filibuster rule that actually gives the MINORITY party the power to advance or stall productive bills just for political agendas.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: Republicans are in run out the clock game . The problem is everyone can see the hypocrisy.  They are not going to let a huge investment for America if they had the house Senate and presidency  they would still block this package . They stalled the farm bill blocked exports to China,  drove a f America agenda all while singing MAGA. Stop destroying the nation and it would be a great place to live again. Good points.  However at this point I think the trump party will do everything to "run out the clock" as you say.   It is to their political advantage (but to the overall detriment to America) for them to delay or block any further bill passages until AFTER 2022 mid-terms, and depending on those results, perhaps STALL much, much longer. This is large part of the reason WHY Americans of all ideologies say 'Washington never gets anything done' and then reprimands the majority in power as if it is all entirely their fault --- while completely ignoring the senate filibuster rule that actually gives the MINORITY party the power to advance or stall productive bills just for political agendas.

    as long as filibuster rule remains the    minority party   whichever it is  as virtual veto power over everything

    but  when the repos retake the house and senate  , mark my words , THEY WILL VOTE TO END THE FILIBUSTER SO THAT IT WOULD BE A SIMPLE MAJORITY FOR THEM

    THIS WILL HAPPEN  FOR CERTAIN !

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: Republicans are in run out the clock game . The problem is everyone can see the hypocrisy.  They are not going to let a huge investment for America if they had the house Senate and presidency  they would still block this package . They stalled the farm bill blocked exports to China,  drove a f America agenda all while singing MAGA. Stop destroying the nation and it would be a great place to live again. Good points.  However at this point I think the trump party will do everything to "run out the clock" as you say.   It is to their political advantage (but to the overall detriment to America) for them to delay or block any further bill passages until AFTER 2022 mid-terms, and depending on those results, perhaps STALL much, much longer. This is large part of the reason WHY Americans of all ideologies say 'Washington never gets anything done' and then reprimands the majority in power as if it is all entirely their fault --- while completely ignoring the senate filibuster rule that actually gives the MINORITY party the power to advance or stall productive bills just for political agendas.

    as long as filibuster rule remains the    minority party   whichever it is  as virtual veto power over everything

    but  when the repos retake the house and senate  , mark my words , THEY WILL VOTE TO END THE FILIBUSTER SO THAT IT WOULD BE A SIMPLE MAJORITY FOR THEM

    THIS WILL HAPPEN  FOR CERTAIN !

     

     

     
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    We need the filibuster...

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    We need the filibuster...

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: Republicans are in run out the clock game . The problem is everyone can see the hypocrisy.  They are not going to let a huge investment for America if they had the house Senate and presidency  they would still block this package . They stalled the farm bill blocked exports to China,  drove a f America agenda all while singing MAGA. Stop destroying the nation and it would be a great place to live again. Good points.  However at this point I think the trump party will do everything to "run out the clock" as you say.   It is to their political advantage (but to the overall detriment to America) for them to delay or block any further bill passages until AFTER 2022 mid-terms, and depending on those results, perhaps STALL much, much longer. This is large part of the reason WHY Americans of all ideologies say 'Washington never gets anything done' and then reprimands the majority in power as if it is all entirely their fault --- while completely ignoring the senate filibuster rule that actually gives the MINORITY party the power to advance or stall productive bills just for political agendas.

    as long as filibuster rule remains the    minority party   whichever it is  as virtual veto power over everything but  when the repos retake the house and senate  , mark my words , THEY WILL VOTE TO END THE FILIBUSTER SO THAT IT WOULD BE A SIMPLE MAJORITY FOR THEM THIS WILL HAPPEN  FOR CERTAIN !

    one thing is for sure , the filibuster is badly outdated and no longer considered acceptable to allow the MINORITY to rule over the majority

    much like the stupid electoral college   and a senate that is not representative of population

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by KellyM_1964:

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2: Quote Originally Posted by nature1970: Republicans are in run out the clock game . The problem is everyone can see the hypocrisy.  They are not going to let a huge investment for America if they had the house Senate and presidency  they would still block this package . They stalled the farm bill blocked exports to China,  drove a f America agenda all while singing MAGA. Stop destroying the nation and it would be a great place to live again. Good points.  However at this point I think the trump party will do everything to "run out the clock" as you say.   It is to their political advantage (but to the overall detriment to America) for them to delay or block any further bill passages until AFTER 2022 mid-terms, and depending on those results, perhaps STALL much, much longer. This is large part of the reason WHY Americans of all ideologies say 'Washington never gets anything done' and then reprimands the majority in power as if it is all entirely their fault --- while completely ignoring the senate filibuster rule that actually gives the MINORITY party the power to advance or stall productive bills just for political agendas.

    as long as filibuster rule remains the    minority party   whichever it is  as virtual veto power over everything but  when the repos retake the house and senate  , mark my words , THEY WILL VOTE TO END THE FILIBUSTER SO THAT IT WOULD BE A SIMPLE MAJORITY FOR THEM THIS WILL HAPPEN  FOR CERTAIN !

    one thing is for sure , the filibuster is badly outdated and no longer considered acceptable to allow the MINORITY to rule over the majority

    much like the stupid electoral college   and a senate that is not representative of population

     

     

     

     
     
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    Wow... that's why the dems used it 300 times in past year

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    Wow... that's why the dems used it 300 times in past year

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