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    Racist Devil Trump suing California to continue Slavery !!!

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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2020 - 1:48 PM ET #1

    Racist Devil Trump is suing California to continue slavery ( Private prison industry ) 


    The Devil is a master of distraction , while Most are focused on Kobe Bryant and Impeachment , The Trump adminstration is wager war on the black community ....


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    Racist Devil Trump is suing California to continue slavery ( Private prison industry ) 


    The Devil is a master of distraction , while Most are focused on Kobe Bryant and Impeachment , The Trump adminstration is wager war on the black community ....


     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2020 - 2:29 PM ET #2

    Palaver. 
    Know your subject:

    “California, of course, is free to decide that it will no longer use private detention facilities for its state prisoners and detainees,” the lawsuit said. “But it cannot dictate that choice for the federal government, especially in a manner that discriminates against the federal government and those with whom it contracts.”
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    Palaver. 
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    “California, of course, is free to decide that it will no longer use private detention facilities for its state prisoners and detainees,” the lawsuit said. “But it cannot dictate that choice for the federal government, especially in a manner that discriminates against the federal government and those with whom it contracts.”
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2020 - 2:40 PM ET #3

    The lawsuit filed by the U.S. attorney’s office alleges that AB 32 violates the supremacy clause of the U.S. Constitution if applied against the federal government, contending that federal agencies have the power to decide how they’ll house prisoners and detainees without interference from state governments.
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    The lawsuit filed by the U.S. attorney’s office alleges that AB 32 violates the supremacy clause of the U.S. Constitution if applied against the federal government, contending that federal agencies have the power to decide how they’ll house prisoners and detainees without interference from state governments.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2020 - 2:43 PM ET #4

      He is not a racist nor a devil.  Just because his administration does/implements something you disagree with does not mean that it is because he is racist or a devil.  
      Instead of resorting right away to name calling — try to argue your point for or against this on the merits of policy.  
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      He is not a racist nor a devil.  Just because his administration does/implements something you disagree with does not mean that it is because he is racist or a devil.  
      Instead of resorting right away to name calling — try to argue your point for or against this on the merits of policy.  
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2020 - 2:54 PM ET #5

    We should be more worried about not doing shit to get sent to prison rather than specifically calling legislation, that targets prisoners, war on black people. Granted, we are disproportionately in prisons. Yes, laws are often interpretted unjustly, helping to fuel this. (Unfare sentences for crack as opposed to powder cocaine, ect. I could go on and on.) Yes, the private prison complex is flawed and could be called modern day slavery but the fact of the matter is that it's still prison. And 99.999999% of the people in jail did a crime. So I hate this notion, especially coming from a black man, because it's almost a defeatist attitude. Like "we're all fated to go to prison so any legislation involving prisons is directed at us..." Even if it is, in fact, directed at us. Prisons shouldn't be privately run entities to begin with, and the private prison industrial complex is royally f*cked, but please don't refer to this as war on African-Americans, even if you truly believe it to be. That does not help our cause.

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    We should be more worried about not doing shit to get sent to prison rather than specifically calling legislation, that targets prisoners, war on black people. Granted, we are disproportionately in prisons. Yes, laws are often interpretted unjustly, helping to fuel this. (Unfare sentences for crack as opposed to powder cocaine, ect. I could go on and on.) Yes, the private prison complex is flawed and could be called modern day slavery but the fact of the matter is that it's still prison. And 99.999999% of the people in jail did a crime. So I hate this notion, especially coming from a black man, because it's almost a defeatist attitude. Like "we're all fated to go to prison so any legislation involving prisons is directed at us..." Even if it is, in fact, directed at us. Prisons shouldn't be privately run entities to begin with, and the private prison industrial complex is royally f*cked, but please don't refer to this as war on African-Americans, even if you truly believe it to be. That does not help our cause.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2020 - 4:56 PM ET #6

    To be fair I don’t think he is referring to blacks. 
    This is more along the lines of the illegal immigrants being detained by federal prisons — because California state does not want to detain them. 
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    To be fair I don’t think he is referring to blacks. 
    This is more along the lines of the illegal immigrants being detained by federal prisons — because California state does not want to detain them. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2020 - 4:59 PM ET #7

    But I agree with you on the blacks in prison issue — by and large.  
    If you do not do things that could get you sent to prison — you won’t go to prison.  Especially if you feel you are under more scrutiny. 

    But there are many more underlying issues that almost ‘force’ blacks — and, of course, some whites — to make bad choices. 

    Those issues are where the work need to be done. 
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    But I agree with you on the blacks in prison issue — by and large.  
    If you do not do things that could get you sent to prison — you won’t go to prison.  Especially if you feel you are under more scrutiny. 

    But there are many more underlying issues that almost ‘force’ blacks — and, of course, some whites — to make bad choices. 

    Those issues are where the work need to be done. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2020 - 9:05 PM ET #8

    This thread should be boxed.  Totally inappropriate 

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    This thread should be boxed.  Totally inappropriate 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2020 - 9:06 PM ET #9

    Human rights organizations, as well as political and social ones, are condemning what they are calling a new form of inhumane exploitation in the United States, where they say a prison population of up to 2 million – mostly Black and Hispanic – are working for various industries for a pittance. For the tycoons who have invested in the prison industry, it has been like finding a pot of gold. They don’t have to worry about strikes or paying unemployment insurance, vacations or comp time. All of their workers are full-time, and never arrive late or are absent because of family problems; moreover, if they don’t like the pay of 25 cents an hour and refuse to work, they are locked up in isolation cells.

    There are approximately 2 million inmates in state, federal and private prisons throughout the country. According to California Prison Focus, “no other society in human history has imprisoned so many of its own citizens.”

    The figures show that the United States has locked up more people than any other country: a half million more than China, which has a population five times greater than the U.S. Statistics reveal that the United States holds 25% of the world’s prison population, but only 5% of the world’s people. From less than 300,000 inmates in 1972, the jail population grew to 2 million by the year 2000. In 1990 it was one million. Ten years ago there were only five private prisons in the country, with a population of 2,000 inmates; now, there are 100, with 62,000 inmates. It is expected that by the coming decade, the number will hit 360,000, according to reports
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    Human rights organizations, as well as political and social ones, are condemning what they are calling a new form of inhumane exploitation in the United States, where they say a prison population of up to 2 million – mostly Black and Hispanic – are working for various industries for a pittance. For the tycoons who have invested in the prison industry, it has been like finding a pot of gold. They don’t have to worry about strikes or paying unemployment insurance, vacations or comp time. All of their workers are full-time, and never arrive late or are absent because of family problems; moreover, if they don’t like the pay of 25 cents an hour and refuse to work, they are locked up in isolation cells.

    There are approximately 2 million inmates in state, federal and private prisons throughout the country. According to California Prison Focus, “no other society in human history has imprisoned so many of its own citizens.”

    The figures show that the United States has locked up more people than any other country: a half million more than China, which has a population five times greater than the U.S. Statistics reveal that the United States holds 25% of the world’s prison population, but only 5% of the world’s people. From less than 300,000 inmates in 1972, the jail population grew to 2 million by the year 2000. In 1990 it was one million. Ten years ago there were only five private prisons in the country, with a population of 2,000 inmates; now, there are 100, with 62,000 inmates. It is expected that by the coming decade, the number will hit 360,000, according to reports
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2020 - 9:08 PM ET #10

    The private contracting of prisoners for work fosters incentives to lock people up. Prisons depend on this income. Corporate stockholders who make money off prisoners’ work lobby for longer sentences, in order to expand their workforce. The system feeds itself,” says a study by the Progressive Labor Party, which accuses the prison industry of being “an imitation of Nazi Germany with respect to forced slave labor and concentration camps


    The prison industry complex is one of the fastest-growing industries in the United States and its investors are on Wall Street. “This multimillion-dollar industry has its own trade exhibitions, conventions, websites, and mail-order/Internet catalogs. It also has direct advertising campaigns, architecture companies, construction companies, investment houses on Wall Street, plumbing supply companies, food supply companies, armed security, and padded cells in a large variety of colors
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    The private contracting of prisoners for work fosters incentives to lock people up. Prisons depend on this income. Corporate stockholders who make money off prisoners’ work lobby for longer sentences, in order to expand their workforce. The system feeds itself,” says a study by the Progressive Labor Party, which accuses the prison industry of being “an imitation of Nazi Germany with respect to forced slave labor and concentration camps


    The prison industry complex is one of the fastest-growing industries in the United States and its investors are on Wall Street. “This multimillion-dollar industry has its own trade exhibitions, conventions, websites, and mail-order/Internet catalogs. It also has direct advertising campaigns, architecture companies, construction companies, investment houses on Wall Street, plumbing supply companies, food supply companies, armed security, and padded cells in a large variety of colors
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2020 - 9:10 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by LRM704:

    This thread should be boxed.  Totally inappropriate 



    Be easy my snowflake Brother 

    What's inappropriate is our Dicktaror suing to continue slavery 


    Who do you like in the SUPER BOWL ??



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    Quote Originally Posted by LRM704:

    This thread should be boxed.  Totally inappropriate 



    Be easy my snowflake Brother 

    What's inappropriate is our Dicktaror suing to continue slavery 


    Who do you like in the SUPER BOWL ??



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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2020 - 9:34 PM ET #12

    Might be time to check that brake fluid 

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    Might be time to check that brake fluid 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2020 - 9:57 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by LRM704:

    Might be time to check that brake fluid 


    Not even sure what that means Brother ???



    That's strange I just did my rotors and pads last night in the garage 
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    Quote Originally Posted by LRM704:

    Might be time to check that brake fluid 


    Not even sure what that means Brother ???



    That's strange I just did my rotors and pads last night in the garage 
     
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    Prison labor has its roots in slavery. After the 1861-1865 Civil War, a system of “hiring out prisoners” was introduced in order to continue the slavery tradition. Freed slaves were charged with not carrying out their sharecropping commitments (cultivating someone else’s land in exchange for part of the harvest) or petty thievery – which were almost never proven – and were then “hired out” for cotton picking, working in mines and building railroads. From 1870 until 1910 in the state of Georgia, 88% of hired-out convicts were Black. In Alabama, 93% of “hired-out” miners were Black. In Mississippi, a huge prison farm similar to the old slave plantations replaced the system of hiring out convicts. The notorious Parchman plantation existed until 1972.

    During the post-Civil War period, Jim Crow racial segregation laws were imposed on every state, with legal segregation in schools, housing, marriages and many other aspects of daily life. “Today, a new set of markedly racist laws is imposing slave labor and sweatshops on the criminal justice system, now known as the prison industry complex
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    Prison labor has its roots in slavery. After the 1861-1865 Civil War, a system of “hiring out prisoners” was introduced in order to continue the slavery tradition. Freed slaves were charged with not carrying out their sharecropping commitments (cultivating someone else’s land in exchange for part of the harvest) or petty thievery – which were almost never proven – and were then “hired out” for cotton picking, working in mines and building railroads. From 1870 until 1910 in the state of Georgia, 88% of hired-out convicts were Black. In Alabama, 93% of “hired-out” miners were Black. In Mississippi, a huge prison farm similar to the old slave plantations replaced the system of hiring out convicts. The notorious Parchman plantation existed until 1972.

    During the post-Civil War period, Jim Crow racial segregation laws were imposed on every state, with legal segregation in schools, housing, marriages and many other aspects of daily life. “Today, a new set of markedly racist laws is imposing slave labor and sweatshops on the criminal justice system, now known as the prison industry complex
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    Quote Originally Posted by LRM704:

    Might be time to check that brake fluid 
    Not even sure what that means Brother ???That's strange I just did my rotors and pads last night in the garage

    I think it means pump yo breaks. Either way, that's none of my business. Nor does it have anything to do with my point. Like I said, the private prison complex is royally fucked. And it is modern day slavery, in the the same way a chain gang, in it's time, could have been called modern day slavery. My issue isn't with any of that though. My issue is with you, even give unfair sentencing, ect., ect., my issue is with you calling it war on the black community. It's war on people who do shit that land them in jail. True, that does disproportionaty affect people of color, but like I said, 99.99999 of the people that are in jail, did the shit that they are in there for. So for you to latch this issue onto my people, on to your people, i'm sorry, I can't subscribe to that shit. I've done a lot of crazy shit. And through it all, I made it clear to the loved ones privy enough to know what's up that hey, if I get locked, if I get popped, that's what comes with this shit and I knew that from the beginning. It cracks me up when criminals get on some "woe is me" shit. Don't do crimes. Don't get caught. Don't do stupid shit, or hang with sucka azz cats that will inevitably snitch on you but definitely don't try to play the victim.

    But yeah, private prisons are ridiculously messed up but sadly, they aren't going anywhere. Largely because of, as you said, profit, slave labor, yadda, but also because governments just can't run these entities any more. Hugely because they are inept but also just because of cost. To pay a man a decent wage (i'm a union man, so I empasize "decent") in todays global economy, along with the pensions of retired/ing boomers, ect., things that shouldn't are sadly going to become more and more privatized. How long do you think you're going to be receiving male via USPS? How long do you think you'll be receiving mail, in a conventional sense? You're a little older than me but I promise you, barring untimely death, you'll live to see a time when there is no paper mail and packages are already routinely being delivered by drones. Not all packages, but it will be common place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    Quote Originally Posted by LRM704:

    Might be time to check that brake fluid 
    Not even sure what that means Brother ???That's strange I just did my rotors and pads last night in the garage

    I think it means pump yo breaks. Either way, that's none of my business. Nor does it have anything to do with my point. Like I said, the private prison complex is royally fucked. And it is modern day slavery, in the the same way a chain gang, in it's time, could have been called modern day slavery. My issue isn't with any of that though. My issue is with you, even give unfair sentencing, ect., ect., my issue is with you calling it war on the black community. It's war on people who do shit that land them in jail. True, that does disproportionaty affect people of color, but like I said, 99.99999 of the people that are in jail, did the shit that they are in there for. So for you to latch this issue onto my people, on to your people, i'm sorry, I can't subscribe to that shit. I've done a lot of crazy shit. And through it all, I made it clear to the loved ones privy enough to know what's up that hey, if I get locked, if I get popped, that's what comes with this shit and I knew that from the beginning. It cracks me up when criminals get on some "woe is me" shit. Don't do crimes. Don't get caught. Don't do stupid shit, or hang with sucka azz cats that will inevitably snitch on you but definitely don't try to play the victim.

    But yeah, private prisons are ridiculously messed up but sadly, they aren't going anywhere. Largely because of, as you said, profit, slave labor, yadda, but also because governments just can't run these entities any more. Hugely because they are inept but also just because of cost. To pay a man a decent wage (i'm a union man, so I empasize "decent") in todays global economy, along with the pensions of retired/ing boomers, ect., things that shouldn't are sadly going to become more and more privatized. How long do you think you're going to be receiving male via USPS? How long do you think you'll be receiving mail, in a conventional sense? You're a little older than me but I promise you, barring untimely death, you'll live to see a time when there is no paper mail and packages are already routinely being delivered by drones. Not all packages, but it will be common place.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Not even sure what that means Brother ???That's strange I just did my rotors and pads last night in the garage

    I think it means pump yo breaks. Either way, that's none of my business. Nor does it have anything to do with my point. Like I said, the private prison complex is royally fucked. And it is modern day slavery, in the the same way a chain gang, in it's time, could have been called modern day slavery. My issue isn't with any of that though. My issue is with you, even give unfair sentencing, ect., ect., my issue is with you calling it war on the black community. It's war on people who do garbage that land them in jail. True, that does disproportionaty affect people of color, but like I said, 99.99999 of the people that are in jail, did the garbage that they are in there for. So for you to latch this issue onto my people, on to your people, i'm sorry, I can't subscribe to that garbage. I've done a lot of crazy garbage. And through it all, I made it clear to the loved ones privy enough to know what's up that hey, if I get locked, if I get popped, that's what comes with this garbage and I knew that from the beginning. It cracks me up when criminals get on some "woe is me" garbage. Don't do crimes. Don't get caught. Don't do stupid garbage, or hang with sucka azz cats that will inevitably snitch on you but definitely don't try to play the victim.

    But yeah, private prisons are ridiculously messed up but sadly, they aren't going anywhere. Largely because of, as you said, profit, slave labor, yadda, but also because governments just can't run these entities any more. Hugely because they are inept but also just because of cost. To pay a man a decent wage (i'm a union man, so I empasize "decent") in todays global economy, along with the pensions of retired/ing boomers, ect., things that shouldn't are sadly going to become more and more privatized. How long do you think you're going to be receiving male via USPS? How long do you think you'll be receiving mail, in a conventional sense? You're a little older than me but I promise you, barring untimely death, you'll live to see a time when there is no paper mail and packages are already routinely being delivered by drones. Not all packages, but it will be common place.



    The discrepancy between non violent felony sentences for minorities compared to Caucasians is astounding.    

    Very sick that out government has admitted they've flooded the cities with Drugs and illegal guns for 70+ years now ( COINTELPRO ) .. .

    I'm all for staying out of trouble and doing the right thing , but these young kids are often swept up into the system before they're even old enough to drive a car or work a job.    

    One of the first things our Dicktator did in office was to roll back sanctions that would have ended slavery ( private prison industry ) ... Now that California has passed a resolution , his administration is suing them    This Devil is pure evil , it's sick that a low brow con artist can pull the wool over so many Americans eyes  ..
    This impeachment cover up scam shows that our rule of law doesn't apply to all Americans  .....
    Imagine being on trial , and the defense having the option of blocking , tampering, obstructing , and intimidating witnesses.   


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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Not even sure what that means Brother ???That's strange I just did my rotors and pads last night in the garage

    I think it means pump yo breaks. Either way, that's none of my business. Nor does it have anything to do with my point. Like I said, the private prison complex is royally fucked. And it is modern day slavery, in the the same way a chain gang, in it's time, could have been called modern day slavery. My issue isn't with any of that though. My issue is with you, even give unfair sentencing, ect., ect., my issue is with you calling it war on the black community. It's war on people who do garbage that land them in jail. True, that does disproportionaty affect people of color, but like I said, 99.99999 of the people that are in jail, did the garbage that they are in there for. So for you to latch this issue onto my people, on to your people, i'm sorry, I can't subscribe to that garbage. I've done a lot of crazy garbage. And through it all, I made it clear to the loved ones privy enough to know what's up that hey, if I get locked, if I get popped, that's what comes with this garbage and I knew that from the beginning. It cracks me up when criminals get on some "woe is me" garbage. Don't do crimes. Don't get caught. Don't do stupid garbage, or hang with sucka azz cats that will inevitably snitch on you but definitely don't try to play the victim.

    But yeah, private prisons are ridiculously messed up but sadly, they aren't going anywhere. Largely because of, as you said, profit, slave labor, yadda, but also because governments just can't run these entities any more. Hugely because they are inept but also just because of cost. To pay a man a decent wage (i'm a union man, so I empasize "decent") in todays global economy, along with the pensions of retired/ing boomers, ect., things that shouldn't are sadly going to become more and more privatized. How long do you think you're going to be receiving male via USPS? How long do you think you'll be receiving mail, in a conventional sense? You're a little older than me but I promise you, barring untimely death, you'll live to see a time when there is no paper mail and packages are already routinely being delivered by drones. Not all packages, but it will be common place.



    The discrepancy between non violent felony sentences for minorities compared to Caucasians is astounding.    

    Very sick that out government has admitted they've flooded the cities with Drugs and illegal guns for 70+ years now ( COINTELPRO ) .. .

    I'm all for staying out of trouble and doing the right thing , but these young kids are often swept up into the system before they're even old enough to drive a car or work a job.    

    One of the first things our Dicktator did in office was to roll back sanctions that would have ended slavery ( private prison industry ) ... Now that California has passed a resolution , his administration is suing them    This Devil is pure evil , it's sick that a low brow con artist can pull the wool over so many Americans eyes  ..
    This impeachment cover up scam shows that our rule of law doesn't apply to all Americans  .....
    Imagine being on trial , and the defense having the option of blocking , tampering, obstructing , and intimidating witnesses.   


     
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    You are all over the he place with this.  A lot of the things you are talking about — incarceration rates, etc. — have nothing to do with private or not.  
    Sure rates vary — obviously, poor or rich — etc. all play a part.  

    But the nun of this law does not have much to do with a lot of that.  Again — it boils down to California promoting an agenda by and large. 
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    You are all over the he place with this.  A lot of the things you are talking about — incarceration rates, etc. — have nothing to do with private or not.  
    Sure rates vary — obviously, poor or rich — etc. all play a part.  

    But the nun of this law does not have much to do with a lot of that.  Again — it boils down to California promoting an agenda by and large. 
     
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    Nub not nun. 

    “States cannot lawfully pass legislation mandating the closure of federal facilities that displease them on the basis of ideological differences.”


    “We are sending a powerful message that we vehemently oppose the practice of profiteering off the backs of Californians in custody, that we will stand up for the health, safety and welfare of our people, and that we are committed to humane treatment for all,” said the assembly member Rob Bonta, who authored the measure, AB 32.


    “Quite importantly, California is not regulating the federal government; it is regulating private companies, which is very much within the state’s constitutional authority.”


    “The idea that a state law can bind the hands of a federal law enforcement agency managing a national network of detention facilities is wrong.”

    Hughes said the law could result in Ice transferring detainees out of the state and far away from families and attorneys.

    Ruiz said that Ice should release immigrant detainees rather than transferring them out of state. “If fed chooses to transfer people, then advocates will view that as a retaliatory act against California and we will fight tooth and nail to defend those people.”

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    Nub not nun. 

    “States cannot lawfully pass legislation mandating the closure of federal facilities that displease them on the basis of ideological differences.”


    “We are sending a powerful message that we vehemently oppose the practice of profiteering off the backs of Californians in custody, that we will stand up for the health, safety and welfare of our people, and that we are committed to humane treatment for all,” said the assembly member Rob Bonta, who authored the measure, AB 32.


    “Quite importantly, California is not regulating the federal government; it is regulating private companies, which is very much within the state’s constitutional authority.”


    “The idea that a state law can bind the hands of a federal law enforcement agency managing a national network of detention facilities is wrong.”

    Hughes said the law could result in Ice transferring detainees out of the state and far away from families and attorneys.

    Ruiz said that Ice should release immigrant detainees rather than transferring them out of state. “If fed chooses to transfer people, then advocates will view that as a retaliatory act against California and we will fight tooth and nail to defend those people.”

     
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    Posted: Jan. 30, 2020 - 12:51 PM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    He is not a racist nor a devil.

     

    an_roll_laughan_roll_laughan_roll_laughFunniest comment I've read in a long time...keep 'em coming

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    He is not a racist nor a devil.

     

    an_roll_laughan_roll_laughan_roll_laughFunniest comment I've read in a long time...keep 'em coming

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICEOG:

     

    an_roll_laughan_roll_laughan_roll_laughFunniest comment I've read in a long time...keep 'em coming


    Yeah.  I just don’t like when people disagree with a policy or something someone does and they go straight to name calling.  Especially calling someone a racist.  It just seems they cannot argue valid points — so it becomes hard to take them seriously.  
    I would even understand if it were obvious (reformed or not) like Byrd, etc.  But that is the first thing these Leftists resort to.  It is generally a cop out.  
    Imagine if a black or Hispanic politician offered a policy and someone on the Right went straight to calling them a racist.  
    Trust me — there are real racists in the world, but Trump is not one of them.  He may be a lot of things but I don’t see that in him and I can spot it pretty well. 
    Just a lame way to swerve debating the issue itself on merits.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICEOG:

     

    an_roll_laughan_roll_laughan_roll_laughFunniest comment I've read in a long time...keep 'em coming


    Yeah.  I just don’t like when people disagree with a policy or something someone does and they go straight to name calling.  Especially calling someone a racist.  It just seems they cannot argue valid points — so it becomes hard to take them seriously.  
    I would even understand if it were obvious (reformed or not) like Byrd, etc.  But that is the first thing these Leftists resort to.  It is generally a cop out.  
    Imagine if a black or Hispanic politician offered a policy and someone on the Right went straight to calling them a racist.  
    Trust me — there are real racists in the world, but Trump is not one of them.  He may be a lot of things but I don’t see that in him and I can spot it pretty well. 
    Just a lame way to swerve debating the issue itself on merits.  
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:


    Yeah.  I just don’t like when people disagree with a policy or something someone does and they go straight to name calling.  Especially calling someone a racist.  It just seems they cannot argue valid points — so it becomes hard to take them seriously.  
    I would even understand if it were obvious (reformed or not) like Byrd, etc.  But that is the first thing these Leftists resort to.  It is generally a cop out.  
    Imagine if a black or Hispanic politician offered a policy and someone on the Right went straight to calling them a racist.  
    Trust me — there are real racists in the world, but Trump is not one of them.  He may be a lot of things but I don’t see that in him and I can spot it pretty well. 
    Just a lame way to swerve debating the issue itself on merits.  


    Must be hard to breath with your head stuck in the sand or your own arse .. 

    Trump has said and done more than enough racist things to qualify as a racist ....


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:


    Yeah.  I just don’t like when people disagree with a policy or something someone does and they go straight to name calling.  Especially calling someone a racist.  It just seems they cannot argue valid points — so it becomes hard to take them seriously.  
    I would even understand if it were obvious (reformed or not) like Byrd, etc.  But that is the first thing these Leftists resort to.  It is generally a cop out.  
    Imagine if a black or Hispanic politician offered a policy and someone on the Right went straight to calling them a racist.  
    Trust me — there are real racists in the world, but Trump is not one of them.  He may be a lot of things but I don’t see that in him and I can spot it pretty well. 
    Just a lame way to swerve debating the issue itself on merits.  


    Must be hard to breath with your head stuck in the sand or your own arse .. 

    Trump has said and done more than enough racist things to qualify as a racist ....


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Quote Originally Posted by ICEOG:

      Funniest comment I've read in a long time...keep 'em coming
    Yeah.  I just don’t like when people disagree with a policy or something someone does and they go straight to name calling.  Especially calling someone a racist.  It just seems they cannot argue valid points — so it becomes hard to take them seriously.  I would even understand if it were obvious (reformed or not) like Byrd, etc.  But that is the first thing these Leftists resort to.  It is generally a cop out.  Imagine if a black or Hispanic politician offered a policy and someone on the Right went straight to calling them a racist.  Trust me — there are real racists in the world, but Trump is not one of them.  He may be a lot of things but I don’t see that in him and I can spot it pretty well. Just a lame way to swerve debating the issue itself on merits.

    I said it once and I'll say it again.

    It's like porn. You know it when you see it. If someone support a racist it's very hard to claim they are not one as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Quote Originally Posted by ICEOG:

      Funniest comment I've read in a long time...keep 'em coming
    Yeah.  I just don’t like when people disagree with a policy or something someone does and they go straight to name calling.  Especially calling someone a racist.  It just seems they cannot argue valid points — so it becomes hard to take them seriously.  I would even understand if it were obvious (reformed or not) like Byrd, etc.  But that is the first thing these Leftists resort to.  It is generally a cop out.  Imagine if a black or Hispanic politician offered a policy and someone on the Right went straight to calling them a racist.  Trust me — there are real racists in the world, but Trump is not one of them.  He may be a lot of things but I don’t see that in him and I can spot it pretty well. Just a lame way to swerve debating the issue itself on merits.

    I said it once and I'll say it again.

    It's like porn. You know it when you see it. If someone support a racist it's very hard to claim they are not one as well.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:



    Must be hard to breath with your head stuck in the sand or your own arse .. 

    Trump has said and done more than enough racist things to qualify as a racist ....



    No...he really hasn’t.  
    It is simply a copout by the Left to say that about anything they disagree with.  They go straight to calling people names. 
    Pretty sure if he were racist by the literal definition we would all know by now.  Big body of work to study with him.  

    Always try to start your argument by debating the points. Don’t go right away for the name calling.  Wait at least until your arguments prove to be wrong or weak — then go to ranting and raving and name calling.  That way you at least gave it a decent shot.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:



    Must be hard to breath with your head stuck in the sand or your own arse .. 

    Trump has said and done more than enough racist things to qualify as a racist ....



    No...he really hasn’t.  
    It is simply a copout by the Left to say that about anything they disagree with.  They go straight to calling people names. 
    Pretty sure if he were racist by the literal definition we would all know by now.  Big body of work to study with him.  

    Always try to start your argument by debating the points. Don’t go right away for the name calling.  Wait at least until your arguments prove to be wrong or weak — then go to ranting and raving and name calling.  That way you at least gave it a decent shot.  
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

     

    I said it once and I'll say it again.

    It's like porn. You know it when you see it. If someone support a racist it's very hard to claim they are not one as well.


    Never once have I heard someone compare racism to porn.  I know you say that tongue-in-cheek. At least, I hope. 
    But that means you have not actually met someone with that mindset.  They are disgusting and certainly there is no two-party consenting type of a situation.  It is far worse.  To me it is one of the worse things you can label a person.  To use that label on someone — you had better have hard proof.  Not okey-doke stuff that is weak just to throw the label around.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

     

    I said it once and I'll say it again.

    It's like porn. You know it when you see it. If someone support a racist it's very hard to claim they are not one as well.


    Never once have I heard someone compare racism to porn.  I know you say that tongue-in-cheek. At least, I hope. 
    But that means you have not actually met someone with that mindset.  They are disgusting and certainly there is no two-party consenting type of a situation.  It is far worse.  To me it is one of the worse things you can label a person.  To use that label on someone — you had better have hard proof.  Not okey-doke stuff that is weak just to throw the label around.  
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