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    Putin: “Patriotic” Russian hackers may have interfered in US election

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    ilsp2003
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2017 - 11:58 AM ET #1

    At the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, Vladimir Putin acknowledged that “patriotically minded” Russian hackers may have been responsible for the breach of the network of the Democratic National Committee and the e-mail accounts of members of Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, as well as other attempts to interfere in the US presidential elections of 2016 to aid the campaign of Donald Trump.


    https://twitter.com/RFERL/status/870257907354488834

    Putin's admission comes after months of denying any Russain involvement in cyberattacks during 2016 USelections
    Putin also suggested that a false trail could have been manufactured to make it look like the Russian government was involved.

    US intelligence community (Seventeen separate organizations )  and other Western nations have attributed numerous attacks against political targets, including the attempted interference in the recent French election, to groups tied to Russian intelligence—specifically the GRU, Russia's largest intelligence organization.
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    At the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, Vladimir Putin acknowledged that “patriotically minded” Russian hackers may have been responsible for the breach of the network of the Democratic National Committee and the e-mail accounts of members of Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign, as well as other attempts to interfere in the US presidential elections of 2016 to aid the campaign of Donald Trump.


    https://twitter.com/RFERL/status/870257907354488834

    Putin's admission comes after months of denying any Russain involvement in cyberattacks during 2016 USelections
    Putin also suggested that a false trail could have been manufactured to make it look like the Russian government was involved.

    US intelligence community (Seventeen separate organizations )  and other Western nations have attributed numerous attacks against political targets, including the attempted interference in the recent French election, to groups tied to Russian intelligence—specifically the GRU, Russia's largest intelligence organization.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2017 - 12:11 PM ET #2

    Putin and Trump have dismissed media reports accusing the Trump administration of colluding with Russia to influence the U.S. election as “fake news.”


    OK

    It's no longer "Fake News"

    Putin: "Hackers are free people, just like artists who wake up in the morning in a good mood and start painting."


     
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    Putin and Trump have dismissed media reports accusing the Trump administration of colluding with Russia to influence the U.S. election as “fake news.”


    OK

    It's no longer "Fake News"

    Putin: "Hackers are free people, just like artists who wake up in the morning in a good mood and start painting."


     
     
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    Posted: Jun. 3, 2017 - 12:29 PM ET #3

    "Patriotic Russian hackers" are NOT free to engage in cyber warfare against economic and military adversaries of Russia 

    Patriotic Russian hackers probably worked on behalf of the Russian government, which is tightly controlled by Putin and his cronies 
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    "Patriotic Russian hackers" are NOT free to engage in cyber warfare against economic and military adversaries of Russia 

    Patriotic Russian hackers probably worked on behalf of the Russian government, which is tightly controlled by Putin and his cronies 
     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2017 - 9:42 PM ET #4

    Putin cannot be trusted according to Forbes, Heritage, Christianpost and others.  According to Foreign policy research institute, common practice is for Kremlin to outsource hacking work to Russian citizens.  Security community, both private and public, almost unanimously agree Kremlin-backed hackers stole emails and released them through wikileaks.  Evidences point to similar tactics against France and Germany.

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    Putin cannot be trusted according to Forbes, Heritage, Christianpost and others.  According to Foreign policy research institute, common practice is for Kremlin to outsource hacking work to Russian citizens.  Security community, both private and public, almost unanimously agree Kremlin-backed hackers stole emails and released them through wikileaks.  Evidences point to similar tactics against France and Germany.

     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2017 - 9:56 PM ET #5

    I can remember in the 2012 Presidential debates...Mitt Romney told Obama that Russia was the next great geopolitical threat and Obama laughed at him like he was an idiot.

    How Ironic.

    Who would've thought that Obama would be known to spy on more Americans than Putin or the Russians? (Rhetorical)
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    I can remember in the 2012 Presidential debates...Mitt Romney told Obama that Russia was the next great geopolitical threat and Obama laughed at him like he was an idiot.

    How Ironic.

    Who would've thought that Obama would be known to spy on more Americans than Putin or the Russians? (Rhetorical)
     
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    Posted: Jun. 4, 2017 - 10:04 PM ET #6

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y9oVC-mGW8

    So, was Romney a genius or was Obama a dope?
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y9oVC-mGW8

    So, was Romney a genius or was Obama a dope?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2017 - 12:21 AM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:

    I can remember in the 2012 Presidential debates...Mitt Romney told Obama that Russia was the next great geopolitical threat and Obama laughed at him like he was an idiot.

    How Ironic.

    Who would've thought that Obama would be known to spy on more Americans than Putin or the Russians? (Rhetorical)



    And your point is ?

    IF Russia is the next geopolitical threat then
    why is Donald Trump so nice to Russia?

    Obama did not invite Russians diplomats to the Oval office and gave access to Russian Television only behind closed doors.

    The Trump administration tried to end the Russia sanctions after Trump took office.

    Trump's unsubstantiated claims that Obama spied on him has been debunked by the FBI and NSA

    When are you going to stop deflecting ?






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    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:

    I can remember in the 2012 Presidential debates...Mitt Romney told Obama that Russia was the next great geopolitical threat and Obama laughed at him like he was an idiot.

    How Ironic.

    Who would've thought that Obama would be known to spy on more Americans than Putin or the Russians? (Rhetorical)



    And your point is ?

    IF Russia is the next geopolitical threat then
    why is Donald Trump so nice to Russia?

    Obama did not invite Russians diplomats to the Oval office and gave access to Russian Television only behind closed doors.

    The Trump administration tried to end the Russia sanctions after Trump took office.

    Trump's unsubstantiated claims that Obama spied on him has been debunked by the FBI and NSA

    When are you going to stop deflecting ?






     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2017 - 1:39 AM ET #8

    I would wager more people voted for Obama because he was black than people that voted for Trump because the Russians hacked the DNC.  Never the less, all it proves either way is that the voting public is not that bright.
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    I would wager more people voted for Obama because he was black than people that voted for Trump because the Russians hacked the DNC.  Never the less, all it proves either way is that the voting public is not that bright.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2017 - 1:42 AM ET #9

    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:




    And your point is ?

    IF Russia is the next geopolitical threat then
    why is Donald Trump so nice to Russia?

    Obama did not invite Russians diplomats to the Oval office and gave access to Russian Television only behind closed doors.

    The Trump administration tried to end the Russia sanctions after Trump took office.

    Trump's unsubstantiated claims that Obama spied on him has been debunked by the FBI and NSA

    When are you going to stop deflecting ?







    Trump administration has every right to drop sanctions. They probably did it because Obama was being a hypocrite for putting sanctions on them in first place.

    Obama used tax payer money to influence Other elections around the world, including Russian elections.

    Trump may have been naive in giving up intel in the Whitehouse but you can't expect perfection when Obama made many mistakes and was half as corrupt as Hillary.

    You are afraid to admit that your guy messed up at all, let alone that he constantly lied to us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:




    And your point is ?

    IF Russia is the next geopolitical threat then
    why is Donald Trump so nice to Russia?

    Obama did not invite Russians diplomats to the Oval office and gave access to Russian Television only behind closed doors.

    The Trump administration tried to end the Russia sanctions after Trump took office.

    Trump's unsubstantiated claims that Obama spied on him has been debunked by the FBI and NSA

    When are you going to stop deflecting ?







    Trump administration has every right to drop sanctions. They probably did it because Obama was being a hypocrite for putting sanctions on them in first place.

    Obama used tax payer money to influence Other elections around the world, including Russian elections.

    Trump may have been naive in giving up intel in the Whitehouse but you can't expect perfection when Obama made many mistakes and was half as corrupt as Hillary.

    You are afraid to admit that your guy messed up at all, let alone that he constantly lied to us.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2017 - 7:01 PM ET #10

    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:


    Trump administration has every right to drop sanctions. They probably did it because Obama was being a hypocrite for putting sanctions on them in first place.

    Obama used tax payer money to influence Other elections around the world, including Russian elections.

    Trump may have been naive in giving up intel in the Whitehouse but you can't expect perfection when Obama made many mistakes and was half as corrupt as Hillary.

    You are afraid to admit that your guy messed up at all, let alone that he constantly lied to us.



    You can't expect perfection, but you should be able to hope that your President doesn't reveal classified info to your biggest geopolitical threat in his own house.      To borrow a phrase from scal...  you can't make it up folks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:


    Trump administration has every right to drop sanctions. They probably did it because Obama was being a hypocrite for putting sanctions on them in first place.

    Obama used tax payer money to influence Other elections around the world, including Russian elections.

    Trump may have been naive in giving up intel in the Whitehouse but you can't expect perfection when Obama made many mistakes and was half as corrupt as Hillary.

    You are afraid to admit that your guy messed up at all, let alone that he constantly lied to us.



    You can't expect perfection, but you should be able to hope that your President doesn't reveal classified info to your biggest geopolitical threat in his own house.      To borrow a phrase from scal...  you can't make it up folks!
     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2017 - 8:24 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:




    You can't expect perfection, but you should be able to hope that your President doesn't reveal classified info to your biggest geopolitical threat in his own house.      To borrow a phrase from scal...  you can't make it up folks!

    Ever notice that when someone gets banned and comes back as an alias the seem to lose some of their intellectual ability.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BWS77:




    You can't expect perfection, but you should be able to hope that your President doesn't reveal classified info to your biggest geopolitical threat in his own house.      To borrow a phrase from scal...  you can't make it up folks!

    Ever notice that when someone gets banned and comes back as an alias the seem to lose some of their intellectual ability.
     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2017 - 9:22 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:

    I would wager more people voted for Obama because he was black than people that voted for Trump because the Russians hacked the DNC.  Never the less, all it proves either way is that the voting public is not that bright.

    You would lose 


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    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:

    I would wager more people voted for Obama because he was black than people that voted for Trump because the Russians hacked the DNC.  Never the less, all it proves either way is that the voting public is not that bright.

    You would lose 


     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2017 - 9:26 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:


    Trump administration has every right to drop sanctions. They probably did it because Obama was being a hypocrite for putting sanctions on them in first place.

    Obama used tax payer money to influence Other elections around the world, including Russian elections.

    Trump may have been naive in giving up intel in the Whitehouse but you can't expect perfection when Obama made many mistakes and was half as corrupt as Hillary.

    You are afraid to admit that your guy messed up at all, let alone that he constantly lied to us.

    Bowlslit re-incarnated 


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    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:


    Trump administration has every right to drop sanctions. They probably did it because Obama was being a hypocrite for putting sanctions on them in first place.

    Obama used tax payer money to influence Other elections around the world, including Russian elections.

    Trump may have been naive in giving up intel in the Whitehouse but you can't expect perfection when Obama made many mistakes and was half as corrupt as Hillary.

    You are afraid to admit that your guy messed up at all, let alone that he constantly lied to us.

    Bowlslit re-incarnated 


     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2017 - 11:24 PM ET #14

    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:


    Bowlslit re-incarnated 




    I would expect this from a poster that has ran out of logical arguments.

    Ever notice that very few of the righties ever devolve into alias police?

    I take it this bowlslit person was a previous poster that brought out the frustration in you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:


    Bowlslit re-incarnated 




    I would expect this from a poster that has ran out of logical arguments.

    Ever notice that very few of the righties ever devolve into alias police?

    I take it this bowlslit person was a previous poster that brought out the frustration in you?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 5, 2017 - 11:48 PM ET #15

    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:


    Bowlslit re-incarnated 




     I knew Bowlslit ,Bowlslit was a friend of mine. islp2003 he's no Bowlslit...


    The Byrds - He was a friend of mine (Remastered)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRanxGWKF8M
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:


    Bowlslit re-incarnated 




     I knew Bowlslit ,Bowlslit was a friend of mine. islp2003 he's no Bowlslit...


    The Byrds - He was a friend of mine (Remastered)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRanxGWKF8M
     
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    Posted: Jun. 6, 2017 - 12:40 AM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:


    You would lose 



    Well one thing I know for sure is I can produce evidence of people saying they voted for Obama because he was black, can you do the same with people saying they voted for Trump because the Russians told them too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:


    You would lose 



    Well one thing I know for sure is I can produce evidence of people saying they voted for Obama because he was black, can you do the same with people saying they voted for Trump because the Russians told them too?
     
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    Posted: Jun. 6, 2017 - 1:37 AM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:



    I would expect this from a poster that has ran out of logical arguments.

    Ever notice that very few of the righties ever devolve into alias police?

    I take it this bowlslit person was a previous poster that brought out the frustration in you?

    Don't kid yourself  bowlslit


    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:



    I would expect this from a poster that has ran out of logical arguments.

    Ever notice that very few of the righties ever devolve into alias police?

    I take it this bowlslit person was a previous poster that brought out the frustration in you?

    Don't kid yourself  bowlslit


     
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    Posted: Jun. 6, 2017 - 1:42 AM ET #18

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



     I knew Bowlslit ,Bowlslit was a friend of mine. islp2003 he's no Bowlslit...


    The Byrds - He was a friend of mine (Remastered)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRanxGWKF8M

    Fake news !!!

    Some real news for you

    the ever-evolving saga about alleged Russian tampering in the 2016 presidential election and investigation into possible collusion by members of Donald Trump's campaign continues to pick up momentum as new revelations seem to surface on a daily basis.

    https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/politics/trump-russia-connections/

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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



     I knew Bowlslit ,Bowlslit was a friend of mine. islp2003 he's no Bowlslit...


    The Byrds - He was a friend of mine (Remastered)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRanxGWKF8M

    Fake news !!!

    Some real news for you

    the ever-evolving saga about alleged Russian tampering in the 2016 presidential election and investigation into possible collusion by members of Donald Trump's campaign continues to pick up momentum as new revelations seem to surface on a daily basis.

    https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2017/politics/trump-russia-connections/

     
    ilsp2003
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    Posted: Jun. 6, 2017 - 1:47 AM ET #19

    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:


    Well one thing I know for sure is I can produce evidence of people saying they voted for Obama because he was black, can you do the same with people saying they voted for Trump because the Russians told them too?

    Trump voters are too embarrassed to admit they voted for Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by bettingforfun:


    Well one thing I know for sure is I can produce evidence of people saying they voted for Obama because he was black, can you do the same with people saying they voted for Trump because the Russians told them too?

    Trump voters are too embarrassed to admit they voted for Trump
     
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    Posted: Jun. 6, 2017 - 10:37 AM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:


    Obama used tax payer money to influence Other elections around the world, including Russian elections.


    How do influence an Oligarchy?
    Gotta go pee!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:


    Obama used tax payer money to influence Other elections around the world, including Russian elections.


    How do influence an Oligarchy?
     
    wordsmyth
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    Posted: Jun. 6, 2017 - 2:39 PM ET #21

    Quote Originally Posted by idle_havoc:


    How do influence an Oligarchy?

    Ultimately, it probably isn't possible to alter an election like you say...more than likely you can, over time change public sentiment by using propaganda or real info.

    My statement is true and even corroborated by Putin to Megyn Kelly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by idle_havoc:


    How do influence an Oligarchy?

    Ultimately, it probably isn't possible to alter an election like you say...more than likely you can, over time change public sentiment by using propaganda or real info.

    My statement is true and even corroborated by Putin to Megyn Kelly.
     
    wordsmyth
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    Posted: Jun. 6, 2017 - 2:47 PM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:


    Don't kid yourself  




    That's exactly what played out in this thread. You ran out of arguments and went to the alias bs.

    If you could easily win arguments with me you wouldn't want me around?

    That's why rightwingers aren't alias taddle tales. We need our opponent's in the same way the Globetrotters do.

    Lefties don't win on most of the issues so they try to pad the banned list. 



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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:


    Don't kid yourself  




    That's exactly what played out in this thread. You ran out of arguments and went to the alias bs.

    If you could easily win arguments with me you wouldn't want me around?

    That's why rightwingers aren't alias taddle tales. We need our opponent's in the same way the Globetrotters do.

    Lefties don't win on most of the issues so they try to pad the banned list. 



     
    Hugh_Jorgan
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    Posted: Jun. 6, 2017 - 6:52 PM ET #23

    Q, did your prescription run out again? 
    bigreds daddy
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    Q, did your prescription run out again? 
     
    Raiders22
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    Posted: Jun. 6, 2017 - 7:11 PM ET #24

    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:


    Ultimately, it probably isn't possible to alter an election like you say...more than likely you can, over time change public sentiment by using propaganda or real info.

    My statement is true and even corroborated by Putin to Megyn Kelly.

    I don't know of anyone that switched their vote from Hillary to Trump at all---let alone because of anything that the Russians supposedly did. I have not even heard of anyone saying this in the news. I also have not heard anyone even use this as a reason to skip voting altogether. i have also not heard of any usual bystanders that all of a sudden decided to vote --- and vote for Trump --- because of any of the supposed shenanigans. 
    Certain nobody wants foreigners --- or even domestic --- interference in our elections.  But who was the supposedly leaked going to influence?  Hillary already had so many allegations and had turned off so many. Trump had already rallied up enough of the disenchanted with the usual politicians anyway. 
    It just looks so much like a desperate and vindictive action by democrats. 
    They should spend more effort getting young candidates out and a better message. That is what works. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:


    Ultimately, it probably isn't possible to alter an election like you say...more than likely you can, over time change public sentiment by using propaganda or real info.

    My statement is true and even corroborated by Putin to Megyn Kelly.

    I don't know of anyone that switched their vote from Hillary to Trump at all---let alone because of anything that the Russians supposedly did. I have not even heard of anyone saying this in the news. I also have not heard anyone even use this as a reason to skip voting altogether. i have also not heard of any usual bystanders that all of a sudden decided to vote --- and vote for Trump --- because of any of the supposed shenanigans. 
    Certain nobody wants foreigners --- or even domestic --- interference in our elections.  But who was the supposedly leaked going to influence?  Hillary already had so many allegations and had turned off so many. Trump had already rallied up enough of the disenchanted with the usual politicians anyway. 
    It just looks so much like a desperate and vindictive action by democrats. 
    They should spend more effort getting young candidates out and a better message. That is what works. 
     
     
    ilsp2003
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    Posted: Jun. 6, 2017 - 10:41 PM ET #25

    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:


    That's exactly what played out in this thread. You ran out of arguments and went to the alias bs.

    If you could easily win arguments with me you wouldn't want me around?

    That's why rightwingers aren't alias taddle tales. We need our opponent's in the same way the Globetrotters do.

    Lefties don't win on most of the issues so they try to pad the banned list. 




    Dude  stay on topic 

    This thread is about Russian interference in the US elections 
    and the Trump campaign collusion with Russia.

    This thread is not about Obama and Romney debate. 

    Stop being ridiculous. you ain't winning any argument 
    Reply
    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:


    That's exactly what played out in this thread. You ran out of arguments and went to the alias bs.

    If you could easily win arguments with me you wouldn't want me around?

    That's why rightwingers aren't alias taddle tales. We need our opponent's in the same way the Globetrotters do.

    Lefties don't win on most of the issues so they try to pad the banned list. 




    Dude  stay on topic 

    This thread is about Russian interference in the US elections 
    and the Trump campaign collusion with Russia.

    This thread is not about Obama and Romney debate. 

    Stop being ridiculous. you ain't winning any argument 
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