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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2021 - 3:12 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Yep, Pfizer

    Figured. Moderna's roots aren't in pharmaceuticals so much as they are rooted in mRNA therapy. I knew it would be one of the larger traditional pharmaceuticals companies. And it only stood to reason, given what has transpired, that it was the one also involved in the vaccination program. Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Yep, Pfizer

    Figured. Moderna's roots aren't in pharmaceuticals so much as they are rooted in mRNA therapy. I knew it would be one of the larger traditional pharmaceuticals companies. And it only stood to reason, given what has transpired, that it was the one also involved in the vaccination program. Go figure.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2021 - 3:43 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by mctrap: This is why the Red Cross has warning all Americans that the Covid vaxxed are ineligible to donate convalescent plasma. The tainted blood of the vaxxed will wipe out any natural antibodies that any person's body has created to fight Covid19 or it's variants, so those people cannot help others fighting and or dying from the problem. Fact checks by USAtoday, factcheck and Reuters rank false the claim that vaccinated people cannot donate blood to American or Japanese red cross.  Vaccines don't hinder pre-existing anti-bodies.   Convalescent plasma is collected from infected people who recover from disease.  Food drug administration states vaccinated people can donate convalescent plasma if they test positive for coronavirus.

    Really 3rd ???  You need to get some tips from the Fupa bot on how to copy & paste.... per American Red Cross  https://www.redcrossblood.org/local-homepage/news/article/covid-19-vaccination-guide-blood-donation.html

    The FDA allows people who have received a COVID-19 vaccine to donate dedicated COVID-19 convalescent plasma within six months of their infection of the virus, based on data that antibodies from natural infection can decline after six months however, the Red Cross has discontinued our convalescent plasma collection program.

    Throughout the pandemic, the American Red Cross has adapted its collection of lifesaving blood products to meet the needs of all patients—including those battling COVID-19. Currently, our primary efforts are the prioritized expansion of red blood cell and platelet collections to meet surging hospital demand and have discontinued our convalescent plasma program. We will continue to monitor the situation in the context of emerging information, evolution of the pandemic and hospital demand to determine if we should resume our convalescent plasma program in the future.

    The Red Cross is grateful to the tens of thousands of convalescent plasma donors who rolled up their sleeves to share their health and provide hope to patients and their families during an uncertain time.

    Time is a flat circle....
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by mctrap: This is why the Red Cross has warning all Americans that the Covid vaxxed are ineligible to donate convalescent plasma. The tainted blood of the vaxxed will wipe out any natural antibodies that any person's body has created to fight Covid19 or it's variants, so those people cannot help others fighting and or dying from the problem. Fact checks by USAtoday, factcheck and Reuters rank false the claim that vaccinated people cannot donate blood to American or Japanese red cross.  Vaccines don't hinder pre-existing anti-bodies.   Convalescent plasma is collected from infected people who recover from disease.  Food drug administration states vaccinated people can donate convalescent plasma if they test positive for coronavirus.

    Really 3rd ???  You need to get some tips from the Fupa bot on how to copy & paste.... per American Red Cross  https://www.redcrossblood.org/local-homepage/news/article/covid-19-vaccination-guide-blood-donation.html

    The FDA allows people who have received a COVID-19 vaccine to donate dedicated COVID-19 convalescent plasma within six months of their infection of the virus, based on data that antibodies from natural infection can decline after six months however, the Red Cross has discontinued our convalescent plasma collection program.

    Throughout the pandemic, the American Red Cross has adapted its collection of lifesaving blood products to meet the needs of all patients—including those battling COVID-19. Currently, our primary efforts are the prioritized expansion of red blood cell and platelet collections to meet surging hospital demand and have discontinued our convalescent plasma program. We will continue to monitor the situation in the context of emerging information, evolution of the pandemic and hospital demand to determine if we should resume our convalescent plasma program in the future.

    The Red Cross is grateful to the tens of thousands of convalescent plasma donors who rolled up their sleeves to share their health and provide hope to patients and their families during an uncertain time.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2021 - 3:45 PM ET #28

    "have discontinued and will continue to monitor the situation in the CONTEXT OF EMERGING INFORMATION & EVOLUTION OF THE PANDEMIC" 

    They do not know the long term effects so they made the wise decision to cease until further research is done an_light

    Time is a flat circle....
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    "have discontinued and will continue to monitor the situation in the CONTEXT OF EMERGING INFORMATION & EVOLUTION OF THE PANDEMIC" 

    They do not know the long term effects so they made the wise decision to cease until further research is done an_light

     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2021 - 6:17 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    "have discontinued and will continue to monitor the situation in the CONTEXT OF EMERGING INFORMATION & EVOLUTION OF THE PANDEMIC"  They do not know the long term effects so they made the wise decision to cease until further research is done

    Correct but the "discontinued" statement is part of a cover up. They got caught telling the truth so they scrubbed their website to now only show the false assertion that they have "collected enough" for now. Plus a Red Cross spokesperson was recorded in a taped interview admitting the Covid19 vaccines wipe out any natural antibodies that have been created to fight Covid19 or it's variants and therefore make those types of donations for convalescent plasma ineligible.

    A group of international scientists obtained what's called the "bio-distribution study" from the Japan regulatory agency. And the Japanese data showed that the spike protein of the coronavirus "gets into the blood where it circulates for several days post-vacc. and then accumulates in organs and tissues including the spleen, bone marrow, liver, adrenal glands and in quite a high concentration in the ovaries."

    "We have known for a long time that the spike protein is a pathogenic protein. It is a TOXIN that can cause damage if it gets into circulation said Dr. Bridle, a vaccine researcher who was awarded a 230k government grant last year for research on Covid vaccine development."

    "What has been discovered by the scientific community is the spike protein on it's own is almost entirely responsible for the damage to the cardiovascular system, if it gets into circulation. The results of this leaked PFIZER study tracing the bio-distribution of the mRNA vaccine are nor surprising, but the implications are terrifying."

    It's quite clear that natural immunity offers robust protection against all variants, whereas the spike protein bio-weapons cannot. The reason for that is because when you recover from the natural infection, you have both antibodies and T-cells against all parts of the virus, not just the spike protein. The vaccine focuses on the spike protein, whereas natural immunity focuses on the entire virus. And once that portion of the virus has mutated sufficiently, the vaccine is no longer effective.

    The media is still the virus and you can't claim there's a global pandemic when there's a 99.74 survival rate while this cold/flu only seems to effect the very old, and that's if you believe the fake test results. I'm constantly amazed at how many sheeple have zero concept of what is really going on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcblitzkrieg:

    "have discontinued and will continue to monitor the situation in the CONTEXT OF EMERGING INFORMATION & EVOLUTION OF THE PANDEMIC"  They do not know the long term effects so they made the wise decision to cease until further research is done

    Correct but the "discontinued" statement is part of a cover up. They got caught telling the truth so they scrubbed their website to now only show the false assertion that they have "collected enough" for now. Plus a Red Cross spokesperson was recorded in a taped interview admitting the Covid19 vaccines wipe out any natural antibodies that have been created to fight Covid19 or it's variants and therefore make those types of donations for convalescent plasma ineligible.

    A group of international scientists obtained what's called the "bio-distribution study" from the Japan regulatory agency. And the Japanese data showed that the spike protein of the coronavirus "gets into the blood where it circulates for several days post-vacc. and then accumulates in organs and tissues including the spleen, bone marrow, liver, adrenal glands and in quite a high concentration in the ovaries."

    "We have known for a long time that the spike protein is a pathogenic protein. It is a TOXIN that can cause damage if it gets into circulation said Dr. Bridle, a vaccine researcher who was awarded a 230k government grant last year for research on Covid vaccine development."

    "What has been discovered by the scientific community is the spike protein on it's own is almost entirely responsible for the damage to the cardiovascular system, if it gets into circulation. The results of this leaked PFIZER study tracing the bio-distribution of the mRNA vaccine are nor surprising, but the implications are terrifying."

    It's quite clear that natural immunity offers robust protection against all variants, whereas the spike protein bio-weapons cannot. The reason for that is because when you recover from the natural infection, you have both antibodies and T-cells against all parts of the virus, not just the spike protein. The vaccine focuses on the spike protein, whereas natural immunity focuses on the entire virus. And once that portion of the virus has mutated sufficiently, the vaccine is no longer effective.

    The media is still the virus and you can't claim there's a global pandemic when there's a 99.74 survival rate while this cold/flu only seems to effect the very old, and that's if you believe the fake test results. I'm constantly amazed at how many sheeple have zero concept of what is really going on.

    peace_5

     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2021 - 9:27 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by mctrap:

      They do not know the long term effects so they made the wise decision to cease until further research is done but the "discontinued" statement is part of a cover up. They show the false assertion that they have "collected enough" for now. The Covid19 vaccines wipe out any natural antibodies  and therefore make donations for convalescent plasma ineligible. 

    Japan regulatory agency data showed that the spike protein of the coronavirus "gets into the blood where it circulates for several days  accumulates in organs and tissues."  The spike protein is a  TOXIN that can cause damage said Dr. Bridle, a vaccine researcher."  

    You can't claim there's a global pandemic when there's a 99.74 survival rate while this cold/flu only seems to effect the very old,

    Red cross follows FDA guidelines on blood donations. Since convalescent plasma is used to treat infections, Red cross prefers plasma  from healthy unvaccinated or vaccinated people who recovered from covid infection.  Reason is no data yet on whether plasma of vaccinated people might be effective for treatment of hospitalized covid patients.  No evidence covid vaccines wipe out anti-bodies.

    Scientific community has discredited baseless claims by doctor Bridle as reported by USAtoday, Reuters and Associated press.  Research studies that he cites as proof of toxicity don't support his claims.   Vaccinated people produce small amount of spike proteins that remains near injection site and doesn't circulate or accumulate in the body because messenger RNA rapidly degrades.  No evidence this type of spike protein is harmful.  Japanese study doesn't look at spike protein from vaccine.  No evidence Bridle is involved in any way in developing covid vaccines. 

    99% survival rate is misleading because it downplays severity of worldwide pandemic.  In the US, over 600,000 deaths and millions of hospitalizations.  Over 5 million children infected and thousands of hospitalizations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mctrap:

      They do not know the long term effects so they made the wise decision to cease until further research is done but the "discontinued" statement is part of a cover up. They show the false assertion that they have "collected enough" for now. The Covid19 vaccines wipe out any natural antibodies  and therefore make donations for convalescent plasma ineligible. 

    Japan regulatory agency data showed that the spike protein of the coronavirus "gets into the blood where it circulates for several days  accumulates in organs and tissues."  The spike protein is a  TOXIN that can cause damage said Dr. Bridle, a vaccine researcher."  

    You can't claim there's a global pandemic when there's a 99.74 survival rate while this cold/flu only seems to effect the very old,

    Red cross follows FDA guidelines on blood donations. Since convalescent plasma is used to treat infections, Red cross prefers plasma  from healthy unvaccinated or vaccinated people who recovered from covid infection.  Reason is no data yet on whether plasma of vaccinated people might be effective for treatment of hospitalized covid patients.  No evidence covid vaccines wipe out anti-bodies.

    Scientific community has discredited baseless claims by doctor Bridle as reported by USAtoday, Reuters and Associated press.  Research studies that he cites as proof of toxicity don't support his claims.   Vaccinated people produce small amount of spike proteins that remains near injection site and doesn't circulate or accumulate in the body because messenger RNA rapidly degrades.  No evidence this type of spike protein is harmful.  Japanese study doesn't look at spike protein from vaccine.  No evidence Bridle is involved in any way in developing covid vaccines. 

    99% survival rate is misleading because it downplays severity of worldwide pandemic.  In the US, over 600,000 deaths and millions of hospitalizations.  Over 5 million children infected and thousands of hospitalizations.

     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2021 - 9:47 PM ET #31

    @thirdperson

     Complete and utter BS as usual. But we already know that's what you spread. And yea, let's all pretend the FDA isn't corrupt.lie  an_roll_laugh

    Relax. I'm unvaxxed!
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    @thirdperson

     Complete and utter BS as usual. But we already know that's what you spread. And yea, let's all pretend the FDA isn't corrupt.lie  an_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Sep. 14, 2021 - 10:05 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by mctrap:

      They do not know the long term effects so they made the wise decision to cease until further research is done but the "discontinued" statement is part of a cover up. They show the false assertion that they have "collected enough" for now. The Covid19 vaccines wipe out any natural antibodies  and therefore make donations for convalescent plasma ineligible. 

     

    Japan regulatory agency data showed that the spike protein of the coronavirus "gets into the blood where it circulates for several days  accumulates in organs and tissues."  The spike protein is a  TOXIN that can cause damage said Dr. Bridle, a vaccine researcher."  

    You can't claim there's a global pandemic when there's a 99.74 survival rate while this cold/flu only seems to effect the very old,

     

    Red cross follows FDA guidelines on blood donations. Since convalescent plasma is used to treat infections, Red cross prefers plasma  from healthy unvaccinated or vaccinated people who recovered from covid infection.  Reason is no data yet on whether plasma of vaccinated people might be effective for treatment of hospitalized covid patients.  No evidence covid vaccines wipe out anti-bodies.

    Scientific community has discredited baseless claims by doctor Bridle as reported by USAtoday, Reuters and Associated press.  Research studies that he cites as proof of toxicity don't support his claims.   Vaccinated people produce small amount of spike proteins that remains near injection site and doesn't circulate or accumulate in the body because messenger RNA rapidly degrades.  No evidence this type of spike protein is harmful.  Japanese study doesn't look at spike protein from vaccine.  No evidence Bridle is involved in any way in developing covid vaccines. 

    99% survival rate is misleading because it downplays severity of worldwide pandemic.  In the US, over 600,000 deaths and millions of hospitalizations.  Over 5 million children infected and thousands of hospitalizations.

     

    Perfectly stated and FACT CHECKED, as usual. 

    Thanks for the relevent facts, Thirdperson! thumbs_up

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by mctrap:

      They do not know the long term effects so they made the wise decision to cease until further research is done but the "discontinued" statement is part of a cover up. They show the false assertion that they have "collected enough" for now. The Covid19 vaccines wipe out any natural antibodies  and therefore make donations for convalescent plasma ineligible. 

     

    Japan regulatory agency data showed that the spike protein of the coronavirus "gets into the blood where it circulates for several days  accumulates in organs and tissues."  The spike protein is a  TOXIN that can cause damage said Dr. Bridle, a vaccine researcher."  

    You can't claim there's a global pandemic when there's a 99.74 survival rate while this cold/flu only seems to effect the very old,

     

    Red cross follows FDA guidelines on blood donations. Since convalescent plasma is used to treat infections, Red cross prefers plasma  from healthy unvaccinated or vaccinated people who recovered from covid infection.  Reason is no data yet on whether plasma of vaccinated people might be effective for treatment of hospitalized covid patients.  No evidence covid vaccines wipe out anti-bodies.

    Scientific community has discredited baseless claims by doctor Bridle as reported by USAtoday, Reuters and Associated press.  Research studies that he cites as proof of toxicity don't support his claims.   Vaccinated people produce small amount of spike proteins that remains near injection site and doesn't circulate or accumulate in the body because messenger RNA rapidly degrades.  No evidence this type of spike protein is harmful.  Japanese study doesn't look at spike protein from vaccine.  No evidence Bridle is involved in any way in developing covid vaccines. 

    99% survival rate is misleading because it downplays severity of worldwide pandemic.  In the US, over 600,000 deaths and millions of hospitalizations.  Over 5 million children infected and thousands of hospitalizations.

     

    Perfectly stated and FACT CHECKED, as usual. 

    Thanks for the relevent facts, Thirdperson! thumbs_up

     

     

     
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    Pfizer’s Q2 vaccine revenue was $35,000,000,000.00 

    Any questions? 

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    Pfizer’s Q2 vaccine revenue was $35,000,000,000.00 

    Any questions? 

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    Posted: Sep. 15, 2021 - 8:07 AM ET #34

    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history

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    Justice Department Announces Largest Health Care Fraud Settlement in Its History
    Pfizer to Pay $2.3 Billion for Fraudulent Marketing

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    https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history

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    Pfizer to Pay $2.3 Billion for Fraudulent Marketing

     
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    Posted: Sep. 15, 2021 - 5:14 PM ET #35

    Michigan hospitals say health workers with natural immunity are EXEMPT from Covid vaccine mandate.

    "Spectrum Health, West Michigan hospital system said they will grant temporary exemptions from it's employee vaccine mandate to staff who can prove they have natural immunity to Covid19. The exemption, which is a first for a major health system in Michigsn, was introduced as new research has emerged on natural immunity."

    "Those who have a positive PCR test or antigen test for Covid19 plus a positive antibody test from within the past 3 months will be made exempt from the hospital system's vaccine mandate."...theexpose.uk/2021/09/15

    Relax. I'm unvaxxed!
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    Michigan hospitals say health workers with natural immunity are EXEMPT from Covid vaccine mandate.

    "Spectrum Health, West Michigan hospital system said they will grant temporary exemptions from it's employee vaccine mandate to staff who can prove they have natural immunity to Covid19. The exemption, which is a first for a major health system in Michigsn, was introduced as new research has emerged on natural immunity."

    "Those who have a positive PCR test or antigen test for Covid19 plus a positive antibody test from within the past 3 months will be made exempt from the hospital system's vaccine mandate."...theexpose.uk/2021/09/15

     
     
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    FDA rejects Pfizer booster shot? 

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    FDA rejects Pfizer booster shot? 

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