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    John McCain is the most brilliant political strategist since Karl Rove

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    Posted: Sep. 2, 2008 - 4:53 PM ET #1

    John McCain is pure genius. Him choosing Sarah Palin was the most brilliant political move ever. The honorable Karl Rove must be envious.
     
     
    Going into this election John McCain had to try to get votes from 4 different groups.
    1) The woman voters
    2) The evangelical conservatives
    3) The moderates and independents
    4) any disgruntled Hillary voters
     
     
     
    By choosing Sarah Palin, he automatically locks up the conservative base. They see that he is willing to choose a woman with strong conservative views, and also a woman who has executive experience, running a state with a great number of state employees, and being responsible for a huge budget. She did an exemplary job as governor.
     
     
    Now given the situation with her daughters pregnancy, Sarah Palin may choose to step aside, if her daughter asks her to, since her family would come first.
     
     
    This allows McCain to choose a more 'middle of the road' candidate, and if the Dems attack that candidate too, it will look like they are attacking any candidate, regardless of their qualifications. ( see Bork )
     
    If McCain then chooses a Lieberman ( or someone more toward the conservative right )
     
    McCain can say to each group, he tried.
     
    To the Hillary women, and the woman voters: I tried to nominate a very qualified woman, but, you see how the sexist Democrats treated her. I would have loved for her to be my Vice President, but, SHE chose to step down, doing it for her family.
     
    To the Evangelicals.....he can state the same facts, he wanted Sarah Palin, but, she chose to step down
     
    To the moderates/ Independents: He then chooses a Lieberman ( or someone less far right as Palin ) and he may get their votes too.
     
    JOHN McCAIN....MASTER STRATEGIST
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    John McCain is pure genius. Him choosing Sarah Palin was the most brilliant political move ever. The honorable Karl Rove must be envious.
     
     
    Going into this election John McCain had to try to get votes from 4 different groups.
    1) The woman voters
    2) The evangelical conservatives
    3) The moderates and independents
    4) any disgruntled Hillary voters
     
     
     
    By choosing Sarah Palin, he automatically locks up the conservative base. They see that he is willing to choose a woman with strong conservative views, and also a woman who has executive experience, running a state with a great number of state employees, and being responsible for a huge budget. She did an exemplary job as governor.
     
     
    Now given the situation with her daughters pregnancy, Sarah Palin may choose to step aside, if her daughter asks her to, since her family would come first.
     
     
    This allows McCain to choose a more 'middle of the road' candidate, and if the Dems attack that candidate too, it will look like they are attacking any candidate, regardless of their qualifications. ( see Bork )
     
    If McCain then chooses a Lieberman ( or someone more toward the conservative right )
     
    McCain can say to each group, he tried.
     
    To the Hillary women, and the woman voters: I tried to nominate a very qualified woman, but, you see how the sexist Democrats treated her. I would have loved for her to be my Vice President, but, SHE chose to step down, doing it for her family.
     
    To the Evangelicals.....he can state the same facts, he wanted Sarah Palin, but, she chose to step down
     
    To the moderates/ Independents: He then chooses a Lieberman ( or someone less far right as Palin ) and he may get their votes too.
     
    JOHN McCAIN....MASTER STRATEGIST
     
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    Posted: Sep. 2, 2008 - 5:03 PM ET #3

    I think we have another candidate for "Cover's Spin Doctor of the Year" Award.
     
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    I think we have another candidate for "Cover's Spin Doctor of the Year" Award.
     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 2, 2008 - 6:24 PM ET #5

     wait until this women vote back fires on his senile ass. Just wait until hillary fires up the women to vote for Obama, say good night john McCain
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     wait until this women vote back fires on his senile ass. Just wait until hillary fires up the women to vote for Obama, say good night john McCain
     
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    Posted: Sep. 2, 2008 - 6:40 PM ET #6

    put down the crack pipe and back slowly away.
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    put down the crack pipe and back slowly away.
     
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    Go easy on this guy...he probably also honestly believes that Saddamn Hussein was behind 911 and that Katrina was overrated...
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    Go easy on this guy...he probably also honestly believes that Saddamn Hussein was behind 911 and that Katrina was overrated...
     
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    Posted: Sep. 6, 2008 - 1:00 AM ET #8

    This would be a masterful stroke.
     
    McCain has outsmarted Obama and the DNC every step of the way.....
     
    You could be right
     
    By the way, I was boxed when you posted this...
     
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    I welcome all new reasonable voices to the politics forum.
     
    I am moderate and an independant, so I may not always agree with your conservatives views, but, it is good to see you post here
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    This would be a masterful stroke.
     
    McCain has outsmarted Obama and the DNC every step of the way.....
     
    You could be right
     
    By the way, I was boxed when you posted this...
     
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    I welcome all new reasonable voices to the politics forum.
     
    I am moderate and an independant, so I may not always agree with your conservatives views, but, it is good to see you post here
     
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    You're right on the Wizard of odds I hear McCain is going to have Sarahcuda do heavy campaigning in Ohio and Pennsylvania and swoop up all those voters that are still clinging onto the things that they feel are important to them....and Saracuda can do it .....
     
    If I were Obama I would be afraid ..real afraid....
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    You're right on the Wizard of odds I hear McCain is going to have Sarahcuda do heavy campaigning in Ohio and Pennsylvania and swoop up all those voters that are still clinging onto the things that they feel are important to them....and Saracuda can do it .....
     
    If I were Obama I would be afraid ..real afraid....
     
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    Nice talking common sense with you tonight Sarasota
     
    I am hitting the hay now ( not many people online at this hour, and I am sure I have put my 2 cents worth in every thread near the top )
     
    Once again here is how my luck runs...
     
    I am having a house party tomorrow ( Maryland )...( I set this up in June )...
    15 people coming over....
    Guess when Hurricane Hanna is due to hit us?
     
    ||an_blowhorn.gif' border=0>  It NEVER Ends !!!!
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    Nice talking common sense with you tonight Sarasota
     
    I am hitting the hay now ( not many people online at this hour, and I am sure I have put my 2 cents worth in every thread near the top )
     
    Once again here is how my luck runs...
     
    I am having a house party tomorrow ( Maryland )...( I set this up in June )...
    15 people coming over....
    Guess when Hurricane Hanna is due to hit us?
     
    ||an_blowhorn.gif' border=0>  It NEVER Ends !!!!
     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2008 - 4:07 PM ET #11

    BUMP for RJ
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    Two small things he failed to mention.  He already has the conservative base (they gonna vote for Obama?).   No Pro-Choice Hillary women are voting for McCain. 
     
    He could have just chosen Liebs from the get go and probably would have skipped right into the White House. 
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    Two small things he failed to mention.  He already has the conservative base (they gonna vote for Obama?).   No Pro-Choice Hillary women are voting for McCain. 
     
    He could have just chosen Liebs from the get go and probably would have skipped right into the White House. 
     
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    Ok i must give him credit..(being a fellow gambler and wannabe prognosticator) That was some good shit bro! you need to hook me up with your connect'



    But the huge hole in this theory is that after pulling the switch and replacing Palin the only guarantee that would be left is that all those groups  stirred up by Palin would remain at home instead of vote for Mccain. Matter of fact some would be angry with Mccain for letting her go.


    Secondly and most importantly there is no such bigger blow to Mccain's candidacy than the day he has to announce dropping her from the ticket..(regardless of the excuse and at this point you cant blame liberal media hounds because her stupidity is all over youtube and by her own mouth not liberal media.)

    There is no way in hell Mccain could convince even the dumbest republicans that his decision making abilities are better than Obama.


    Gone will be the experience bullshit argument he has been running on. You sure as hell cant convince any one that you are better experienced after picking a total bimbo as your running mate.

    When that is gone, OBama shoots up 15 points!!!
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    Ok i must give him credit..(being a fellow gambler and wannabe prognosticator) That was some good shit bro! you need to hook me up with your connect'



    But the huge hole in this theory is that after pulling the switch and replacing Palin the only guarantee that would be left is that all those groups  stirred up by Palin would remain at home instead of vote for Mccain. Matter of fact some would be angry with Mccain for letting her go.


    Secondly and most importantly there is no such bigger blow to Mccain's candidacy than the day he has to announce dropping her from the ticket..(regardless of the excuse and at this point you cant blame liberal media hounds because her stupidity is all over youtube and by her own mouth not liberal media.)

    There is no way in hell Mccain could convince even the dumbest republicans that his decision making abilities are better than Obama.


    Gone will be the experience bullshit argument he has been running on. You sure as hell cant convince any one that you are better experienced after picking a total bimbo as your running mate.

    When that is gone, OBama shoots up 15 points!!!
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by purebedroombull:

    Ok i must give him credit..(being a fellow gambler and wannabe prognosticator) That was some good shit bro! you need to hook me up with your connect'



    But the huge hole in this theory is that after pulling the switch and replacing Palin the only guarantee that would be left is that all those groups  stirred up by Palin would remain at home instead of vote for Mccain. Matter of fact some would be angry with Mccain for letting her go.


    Secondly and most importantly there is no such bigger blow to Mccain's candidacy than the day he has to announce dropping her from the ticket..(regardless of the excuse and at this point you cant blame liberal media hounds because her stupidity is all over youtube and by her own mouth not liberal media.)

    There is no way in hell Mccain could convince even the dumbest republicans that his decision making abilities are better than Obama.


    Gone will be the experience bullshit argument he has been running on. You sure as hell cant convince any one that you are better experienced after picking a total bimbo as your running mate.

    When that is gone, OBama shoots up 15 points!!!

    Wizard says PALIN insists she needs to drop out ( of course it would be contrived, just like Obama having Biden step down, but, Biden claims it is his aneurysm )

    Nobody would blame Obama or McCain

    ( Well OK the left wing media would say McCain staged it, but, the one reliable news source that is fair and balanced would give McCain the accurate report )

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    Quote Originally Posted by purebedroombull:

    Ok i must give him credit..(being a fellow gambler and wannabe prognosticator) That was some good shit bro! you need to hook me up with your connect'



    But the huge hole in this theory is that after pulling the switch and replacing Palin the only guarantee that would be left is that all those groups  stirred up by Palin would remain at home instead of vote for Mccain. Matter of fact some would be angry with Mccain for letting her go.


    Secondly and most importantly there is no such bigger blow to Mccain's candidacy than the day he has to announce dropping her from the ticket..(regardless of the excuse and at this point you cant blame liberal media hounds because her stupidity is all over youtube and by her own mouth not liberal media.)

    There is no way in hell Mccain could convince even the dumbest republicans that his decision making abilities are better than Obama.


    Gone will be the experience bullshit argument he has been running on. You sure as hell cant convince any one that you are better experienced after picking a total bimbo as your running mate.

    When that is gone, OBama shoots up 15 points!!!

    Wizard says PALIN insists she needs to drop out ( of course it would be contrived, just like Obama having Biden step down, but, Biden claims it is his aneurysm )

    Nobody would blame Obama or McCain

    ( Well OK the left wing media would say McCain staged it, but, the one reliable news source that is fair and balanced would give McCain the accurate report )

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizard Of Odds:

    John McCain is pure genius. Him choosing Sarah Palin was the most brilliant political move ever. The honorable Karl Rove must be envious.
     
     

     

    Rove was in on it from the get go. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wizard Of Odds:

    John McCain is pure genius. Him choosing Sarah Palin was the most brilliant political move ever. The honorable Karl Rove must be envious.
     
     

     

    Rove was in on it from the get go. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by 69_Amazin_Mets:

    Wizard says PALIN insists she needs to drop out ( of course it would be contrived, just like Obama having Biden step down, but, Biden claims it is his aneurysm )

    Nobody would blame Obama or McCain

    ( Well OK the left wing media would say McCain staged it, but, the one reliable news source that is fair and balanced would give McCain the accurate report )



    It wont matter what Palin says now. No one would believe it. Palin is now known as the dumbest woman in America even getting comparisons to Miss Teen South Carolina.

    She can beg and plead to get out but the damage is already done. Her youtube moment of abject stupidity is more or less viral by now.


    When..(notice i said "when" not "if") she drops out all those folks will stay home! They wont vote!

    And her resignation will speak towards Mccains bad decision making no matter what!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 69_Amazin_Mets:

    Wizard says PALIN insists she needs to drop out ( of course it would be contrived, just like Obama having Biden step down, but, Biden claims it is his aneurysm )

    Nobody would blame Obama or McCain

    ( Well OK the left wing media would say McCain staged it, but, the one reliable news source that is fair and balanced would give McCain the accurate report )



    It wont matter what Palin says now. No one would believe it. Palin is now known as the dumbest woman in America even getting comparisons to Miss Teen South Carolina.

    She can beg and plead to get out but the damage is already done. Her youtube moment of abject stupidity is more or less viral by now.


    When..(notice i said "when" not "if") she drops out all those folks will stay home! They wont vote!

    And her resignation will speak towards Mccains bad decision making no matter what!
     
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    Thanks for bumping this post...it especially now proves that the old man has lost his mind.

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    Thanks for bumping this post...it especially now proves that the old man has lost his mind.

     
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    she is
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2008 - 5:59 PM ET #19

    yeah nice move to pick a woman... if she were smart but then voting based on sex ONLY is stupid for voters too right... so be stupid.
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    yeah nice move to pick a woman... if she were smart but then voting based on sex ONLY is stupid for voters too right... so be stupid.
     
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    Funny part is there are so many really good woman republicans in this country McCain could have chose that could have given him the victory, instead he pucks some airhead milf from the backwoods of nowhere land
     
    Think about this if McCain won, Palin would be one heartbeat away from having control of the nuke launch codes. How friggin scary is that?  My guess is she would try to launch some nukes on those damn Alaskan wolves
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    Funny part is there are so many really good woman republicans in this country McCain could have chose that could have given him the victory, instead he pucks some airhead milf from the backwoods of nowhere land
     
    Think about this if McCain won, Palin would be one heartbeat away from having control of the nuke launch codes. How friggin scary is that?  My guess is she would try to launch some nukes on those damn Alaskan wolves
     
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    1) The woman voters - doubtful since most women voters up for grabs are pro-life
    2) The evangelical conservatives - he had them anyway
    3) The moderates and independents - he would have them if he had not of switched on most of his ind. views.  Who follows Sen Droopy Dog anyway
    4) any disgruntled Hillary voters - these angry folks will lean Obama over time...it just takes time. 
     
    I don't see how Palin solves these unless she quickly refines her answers in major interviews.  I think she's sharp but GOP hasn't demostrated they can mold her quickly enough for the big stage.
     
    I'm amazed at the way McCain has jumped around according to each news cycle.  The GOP machine is always sharp but they need to be more consistent.
     
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    1) The woman voters - doubtful since most women voters up for grabs are pro-life
    2) The evangelical conservatives - he had them anyway
    3) The moderates and independents - he would have them if he had not of switched on most of his ind. views.  Who follows Sen Droopy Dog anyway
    4) any disgruntled Hillary voters - these angry folks will lean Obama over time...it just takes time. 
     
    I don't see how Palin solves these unless she quickly refines her answers in major interviews.  I think she's sharp but GOP hasn't demostrated they can mold her quickly enough for the big stage.
     
    I'm amazed at the way McCain has jumped around according to each news cycle.  The GOP machine is always sharp but they need to be more consistent.
     
     
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    Posted: Sep. 26, 2008 - 9:06 PM ET #24

    Wiz, agreed.
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    so let me understand... you are calling McCain out for making a choice that strengthens him where he's weak?

    let's see... who Obama pick again?  oh yea... someone who understands politics...

     

    well done, dude!  you have succeeded in being brain-washed...

    go away and stop fucking up the country!

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    so let me understand... you are calling McCain out for making a choice that strengthens him where he's weak?

    let's see... who Obama pick again?  oh yea... someone who understands politics...

     

    well done, dude!  you have succeeded in being brain-washed...

    go away and stop fucking up the country!

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