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    Midnight1
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    Posted: Jan. 26, 2020 - 8:34 PM ET #151

    They say Sondland, Taylor, Hill, and Vindman’s testimony was hearsay. They say they wanted first hand conversations with President Trump. Well, Bolton spoke to Trump directly. So they’ll want to hear his testimony. Right shrooms?

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    They say Sondland, Taylor, Hill, and Vindman’s testimony was hearsay. They say they wanted first hand conversations with President Trump. Well, Bolton spoke to Trump directly. So they’ll want to hear his testimony. Right shrooms?

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2020 - 2:27 AM ET #152

    ^^
    I recommend you raise your comprehension level up a notch in regards to Bolton testifying; this will never happen, regardless of what his recent statements have been.....Why? is your rebuttal simple, 'he has a book ready to come out' and he's waiting for the trial to end so he himself can tell all, self promoting the sale of his up, and coming #1 best seller...pick up a copy when it's released, I'm sure you'll find it quite interesting as will the 63.5m Trump supporters who'll line Boltons pockets with $$$$$$$ 

    Sondland, paid a million bucks to be at the inaugural ball, got his picture taken with the President, and was appointed (by the president of the U.S). as 'Ambassador to the EU' ..case closed,
    his testimony was far-fetched , and on the borderline of being absurd...to each his own, think as you please...

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    ^^
    I recommend you raise your comprehension level up a notch in regards to Bolton testifying; this will never happen, regardless of what his recent statements have been.....Why? is your rebuttal simple, 'he has a book ready to come out' and he's waiting for the trial to end so he himself can tell all, self promoting the sale of his up, and coming #1 best seller...pick up a copy when it's released, I'm sure you'll find it quite interesting as will the 63.5m Trump supporters who'll line Boltons pockets with $$$$$$$ 

    Sondland, paid a million bucks to be at the inaugural ball, got his picture taken with the President, and was appointed (by the president of the U.S). as 'Ambassador to the EU' ..case closed,
    his testimony was far-fetched , and on the borderline of being absurd...to each his own, think as you please...

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2020 - 6:30 AM ET #153

    Midnite- Whats up my man. You stated "bolton is blowing a hole in his defense and laying the facts" - This fits your narrative

                 so it has to be a fact? Hey, as i said before, I'm all for calling witnesses, ALL witnesses. There should be no pick and

                 choose, wouldn't you agree. Get it all out there and let the chips fall. What's major league concerning that is never

                 mentioned is all the lowlifes leaking out what should be confidential information (Im talking both partys). None of

                these government officials can be trusted. (For christ sakes we can't even trust the FBI or DOJ). These are the people

                I'd love to see get exposed and be labelled a POS the rest of their useless lives. Again, on both sides.

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    Midnite- Whats up my man. You stated "bolton is blowing a hole in his defense and laying the facts" - This fits your narrative

                 so it has to be a fact? Hey, as i said before, I'm all for calling witnesses, ALL witnesses. There should be no pick and

                 choose, wouldn't you agree. Get it all out there and let the chips fall. What's major league concerning that is never

                 mentioned is all the lowlifes leaking out what should be confidential information (Im talking both partys). None of

                these government officials can be trusted. (For christ sakes we can't even trust the FBI or DOJ). These are the people

                I'd love to see get exposed and be labelled a POS the rest of their useless lives. Again, on both sides.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2020 - 11:51 AM ET #154

    I'm for witnesses also, the more info the better. But if the Bidens are called then so should ivanka to see what strings were pulled for her to get 34 patents in such a short amout of time. Think daddy had anything to do with it?
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    I'm for witnesses also, the more info the better. But if the Bidens are called then so should ivanka to see what strings were pulled for her to get 34 patents in such a short amout of time. Think daddy had anything to do with it?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2020 - 12:06 PM ET #155

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    I'm for witnesses also, the more info the better. But if the Bidens are called then so should ivanka to see what strings were pulled for her to get 34 patents in such a short amout of time. Think daddy had anything to do with it?

    Chinese patents 

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    I'm for witnesses also, the more info the better. But if the Bidens are called then so should ivanka to see what strings were pulled for her to get 34 patents in such a short amout of time. Think daddy had anything to do with it?

    Chinese patents 

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2020 - 12:18 PM ET #156

    dark - absolutely - it's time to get all the crooked mfkr's - i don't care what party. Again whats is disturbing as hell is the fact

             that Bolten only submitted the manuscript to the NSC to varify no classified information would appear. Someone in the

            National Security Office leaked it. WTF - find that guy/gal and hang their ass.

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    dark - absolutely - it's time to get all the crooked mfkr's - i don't care what party. Again whats is disturbing as hell is the fact

             that Bolten only submitted the manuscript to the NSC to varify no classified information would appear. Someone in the

            National Security Office leaked it. WTF - find that guy/gal and hang their ass.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2020 - 1:05 PM ET #157

    Won't be around this afternoon but will be listening on the radio.

     

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    Won't be around this afternoon but will be listening on the radio.

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2020 - 4:54 PM ET #158

    WOW...Ken Starr giving the opening defense to start the day was a disaster. He read his notes like he was telling a bedtime story. 

    In fact, he almost put me to sleep & I as driving! 

    Ken Starr is basically unemployable, except for FOX, in the real world & even got fired from a conservative Christian school for not addressing claims pf sexual assault on teh school's campus.

    He'll always be known as the bj prosecutor & nothing more.

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    WOW...Ken Starr giving the opening defense to start the day was a disaster. He read his notes like he was telling a bedtime story. 

    In fact, he almost put me to sleep & I as driving! 

    Ken Starr is basically unemployable, except for FOX, in the real world & even got fired from a conservative Christian school for not addressing claims pf sexual assault on teh school's campus.

    He'll always be known as the bj prosecutor & nothing more.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2020 - 5:01 PM ET #159

    Bondi making up for it. Killing the Dems regarding Burisma and Where is Hunter.

     

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    Bondi making up for it. Killing the Dems regarding Burisma and Where is Hunter.

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2020 - 5:09 PM ET #160

    Ken Starr got his 15 minutes of fame 20 years ago. It was a "once in a career" opportunity in a "can't lose" situation. If an MLB Pitcher had his career year 20 years ago and is now 50 years old, he is not going to come back and show them how it is done. Where is Rudy when you need him? 

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    Now and then even a BLIND squirrel can find an acorn
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    Ken Starr got his 15 minutes of fame 20 years ago. It was a "once in a career" opportunity in a "can't lose" situation. If an MLB Pitcher had his career year 20 years ago and is now 50 years old, he is not going to come back and show them how it is done. Where is Rudy when you need him? 

    an_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2020 - 5:19 PM ET #161

    WH Defense Claim: Rudy Giuliani was a "minor player."

    Reality: Witnesses testified that Trump "directed" them to talk to Rudy about Ukraine. Trump himself mentioned Rudy on the call to  told President Zelensky. 

    WH Defense Claim: The House denied Trump due process.

    Reality: Trump was offered the same or better procedural privileges than given to either Nixon or Trump. Trump chose not to avail himself of those privileges.   

    WH Defense Claim: The House never subpoenaed Rudy Giuliani. Therefore he is not central to the Ukraine scheme.

    Reality: Rudy was subpoenaed for documents on September 30th and deposition notices were sent to him and 3 of his associates. Giuliani refused to comply. 

    WH Defense Claim: It was no secret the aid was withheld.

    Reality: The House interviewed 17 witnesses. None were given any explanation for the hold on the military aid until after the controversy came to light. All documents are still being obstructed.  

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    WH Defense Claim: Rudy Giuliani was a "minor player."

    Reality: Witnesses testified that Trump "directed" them to talk to Rudy about Ukraine. Trump himself mentioned Rudy on the call to  told President Zelensky. 

    WH Defense Claim: The House denied Trump due process.

    Reality: Trump was offered the same or better procedural privileges than given to either Nixon or Trump. Trump chose not to avail himself of those privileges.   

    WH Defense Claim: The House never subpoenaed Rudy Giuliani. Therefore he is not central to the Ukraine scheme.

    Reality: Rudy was subpoenaed for documents on September 30th and deposition notices were sent to him and 3 of his associates. Giuliani refused to comply. 

    WH Defense Claim: It was no secret the aid was withheld.

    Reality: The House interviewed 17 witnesses. None were given any explanation for the hold on the military aid until after the controversy came to light. All documents are still being obstructed.  

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2020 - 5:22 PM ET #162

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    Bondi making up for it. Killing the Dems regarding Burisma and Where is Hunter.

    sundance..We know Pam Bondi pretty well in Florida.

    Google her & you'll get a different perspective of who she really is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    Bondi making up for it. Killing the Dems regarding Burisma and Where is Hunter.

    sundance..We know Pam Bondi pretty well in Florida.

    Google her & you'll get a different perspective of who she really is.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2020 - 5:41 PM ET #163

    WH Defense Claim: The fact that Trump & Zelensky met at the UN exonerated the president.

    Reality: Multiple witnesses testified to the unique significance of an Oval Office meeting. And Zelensky himself brought up the importance of an Oval Office meeting for his new presidency.

    WH Defense Claim: There was no quid pro quo.

    Reality: Mulvaney is quoted as saying it happens all the time. John Bolton has something to say about this.  

    WH Defense Claim: Ukraine did not know about the withheld aid until public reporting.

    Reality: Two witnesses testified Ukraine knew of the hold before it was public. Ukraine former prime minister confirmed to the press that Ukraine knew.

    WH Defense Claim: It is inappropriate to impeach a president during an election year.

    Reality: That claim is a beauty. Trump solicited foreign interference in 2016, admitted he would do it again in 2020 & continues to direct a scheme to do so.

    WH Defense Claim: Trump's obstruction of Congress is not impeachable.

    Reality: Trump's own lawyer Robert Ray said obstruction of Congress is impeachable. No president in our country's history has blocekd an impeachment inquiry by ignoring every subpoena for documents and witnesses. 

     

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    WH Defense Claim: The fact that Trump & Zelensky met at the UN exonerated the president.

    Reality: Multiple witnesses testified to the unique significance of an Oval Office meeting. And Zelensky himself brought up the importance of an Oval Office meeting for his new presidency.

    WH Defense Claim: There was no quid pro quo.

    Reality: Mulvaney is quoted as saying it happens all the time. John Bolton has something to say about this.  

    WH Defense Claim: Ukraine did not know about the withheld aid until public reporting.

    Reality: Two witnesses testified Ukraine knew of the hold before it was public. Ukraine former prime minister confirmed to the press that Ukraine knew.

    WH Defense Claim: It is inappropriate to impeach a president during an election year.

    Reality: That claim is a beauty. Trump solicited foreign interference in 2016, admitted he would do it again in 2020 & continues to direct a scheme to do so.

    WH Defense Claim: Trump's obstruction of Congress is not impeachable.

    Reality: Trump's own lawyer Robert Ray said obstruction of Congress is impeachable. No president in our country's history has blocekd an impeachment inquiry by ignoring every subpoena for documents and witnesses. 

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2020 - 5:49 PM ET #164

    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    Ken Starr got his 15 minutes of fame 20 years ago. It was a "once in a career" opportunity in a "can't lose" situation. If an MLB Pitcher had his career year 20 years ago and is now 50 years old, he is not going to come back and show them how it is done. Where is Rudy when you need him? 

    an_roll_laugh


    I need more detail on this or I think it is an inadequate analogy. 
    MLB pitching is an athletic endeavor.   Defense attorney is mental and the more experience you have the better.  Especially if you have remained engaged.  Dean, President, chancellor, pundit, etc.  
    Plus a lot of MLB pitchers go on to be coaches — showing others how it’s done.  
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeyElement:

    Ken Starr got his 15 minutes of fame 20 years ago. It was a "once in a career" opportunity in a "can't lose" situation. If an MLB Pitcher had his career year 20 years ago and is now 50 years old, he is not going to come back and show them how it is done. Where is Rudy when you need him? 

    an_roll_laugh


    I need more detail on this or I think it is an inadequate analogy. 
    MLB pitching is an athletic endeavor.   Defense attorney is mental and the more experience you have the better.  Especially if you have remained engaged.  Dean, President, chancellor, pundit, etc.  
    Plus a lot of MLB pitchers go on to be coaches — showing others how it’s done.  
     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2020 - 6:47 PM ET #165

    Trump pushed his Roy Cohn, Bill Barr, to dig up dirt on the Bidens.

    If Barr has found anything, absolutely anything, Barr would have prosecuted.

    But he found zilch, nada, nic, niets, semmi and nothing!

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    Trump pushed his Roy Cohn, Bill Barr, to dig up dirt on the Bidens.

    If Barr has found anything, absolutely anything, Barr would have prosecuted.

    But he found zilch, nada, nic, niets, semmi and nothing!

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2020 - 7:13 PM ET #166

    Pam Bondi is not a law scholar. She's an attorney, a politician and a lobbyist. She made a fool of herself accusing the Biden's of nepotism.

    Does she realize Trump's kids work in the WH and represent him when meeting with world leaders? Does she realize the RNC bought thousands of Junior's book and now can't give them away? The irony is incredible.

    None of this has to do with Trump's "perfect" phone call but that's where she chose to go. 

    One other thing besides his kids and son in law working in the WH, so does Rudy's son. So does Barr's son and his daughter works in the Treasury.

    She also didn't mention she's making double lobbying for Qatar than what Hunter was making. What could she possibly be doing for Qatar?

    Her talking about corruption after taking an illegal Trump contribution, dropping the Florida case against Trump University & then returning the money after she got caught shows how ethically empty she is.

    Trump's defense team is a disaster. Just wait until the questioning phase takes place during the trial.

    an_roll_laugh   

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    Pam Bondi is not a law scholar. She's an attorney, a politician and a lobbyist. She made a fool of herself accusing the Biden's of nepotism.

    Does she realize Trump's kids work in the WH and represent him when meeting with world leaders? Does she realize the RNC bought thousands of Junior's book and now can't give them away? The irony is incredible.

    None of this has to do with Trump's "perfect" phone call but that's where she chose to go. 

    One other thing besides his kids and son in law working in the WH, so does Rudy's son. So does Barr's son and his daughter works in the Treasury.

    She also didn't mention she's making double lobbying for Qatar than what Hunter was making. What could she possibly be doing for Qatar?

    Her talking about corruption after taking an illegal Trump contribution, dropping the Florida case against Trump University & then returning the money after she got caught shows how ethically empty she is.

    Trump's defense team is a disaster. Just wait until the questioning phase takes place during the trial.

    an_roll_laugh   

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2020 - 7:46 PM ET #167

    Trump won't be happy with defense attorney Robert Ray for conceding the Zelensky call might have been "less than perfect." That's not the party line.

    Trump has to be blowing a gasket watching these unprepared clowns attempt to defend him.

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    Trump won't be happy with defense attorney Robert Ray for conceding the Zelensky call might have been "less than perfect." That's not the party line.

    Trump has to be blowing a gasket watching these unprepared clowns attempt to defend him.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2020 - 7:57 PM ET #168

    Another dopey thing the defense is doing regarding Joe Biden is faking that they want to call Biden as a witness.

    Biden was carrying out US policy regarding Ukraine and many Republicans supported/encouraged the policy while in the Senate.

    To make a case for the defense, a lot Republicans would have to admit they were wrong in their support & no way are they going to lay under the bus for Trump to let that happen.  

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    Another dopey thing the defense is doing regarding Joe Biden is faking that they want to call Biden as a witness.

    Biden was carrying out US policy regarding Ukraine and many Republicans supported/encouraged the policy while in the Senate.

    To make a case for the defense, a lot Republicans would have to admit they were wrong in their support & no way are they going to lay under the bus for Trump to let that happen.  

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2020 - 8:00 PM ET #169

    Fox News is not showing Dershowitz! CNN is,!

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    Fox News is not showing Dershowitz! CNN is,!

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2020 - 8:12 PM ET #170

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    Fox News is not showing Dershowitz! CNN is,!

    Ratings for CNN will soar because everyone Dershowitz defended will be watching from prison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    Fox News is not showing Dershowitz! CNN is,!

    Ratings for CNN will soar because everyone Dershowitz defended will be watching from prison.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 27, 2020 - 8:19 PM ET #171

     "Why didn’t John Bolton testify to the US House? Apparently his book wasn’t quite finished yet for pre-sales!" was tweeted by Rand Paul.

    Now he may have been trying to be funny but knowing this guy his comment is just ignorant.

    Bolton didn't testify because Trump forbade it. So Bolton had to go to court to protect himself and the judge's decision came down after the impeachment vote. Pretty straight forward.

    How can Paul not know this?

    Wow wee wow

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     "Why didn’t John Bolton testify to the US House? Apparently his book wasn’t quite finished yet for pre-sales!" was tweeted by Rand Paul.

    Now he may have been trying to be funny but knowing this guy his comment is just ignorant.

    Bolton didn't testify because Trump forbade it. So Bolton had to go to court to protect himself and the judge's decision came down after the impeachment vote. Pretty straight forward.

    How can Paul not know this?

    Wow wee wow

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2020 - 5:19 AM ET #172

    Got to listen to some of it on the radio.  
    Thought Bondi did a great job of shelling the corn.  Never really heard her present before I don’t think.  Very solid job by her. 

    Dershowitz had a very nice harangue.  Whether you like him or not he is very astute and certainly seems to have a grasp on the constitutional aspect of the whole deal. 

    Certainly two of the best I have seen on either side from the bits and pieces I have had a chance to see or hear.  Some of the others have not been as outstanding.  
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    Got to listen to some of it on the radio.  
    Thought Bondi did a great job of shelling the corn.  Never really heard her present before I don’t think.  Very solid job by her. 

    Dershowitz had a very nice harangue.  Whether you like him or not he is very astute and certainly seems to have a grasp on the constitutional aspect of the whole deal. 

    Certainly two of the best I have seen on either side from the bits and pieces I have had a chance to see or hear.  Some of the others have not been as outstanding.  
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2020 - 5:59 AM ET #173

    Midnite - Geezus dude you are fixated, RADIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Better man than I'll ever be. How n the hell can anyone do that and

                 I'd love to see that radio stations' rating. Can you get negative ratings? One thing you stated is that the Biden situation is not

                nepotism. It is indeed the meaning of nepotism whether it is the Trumps or Bidens. Ya really can't fault the kids in entirety. They

               are part of the system. TERM LIMITS would eliminate a whole lot of problems. The phrase Career Politician makes me wanna throw

               up. Our government  is as crooked as the next. It's an embarressment.

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    Midnite - Geezus dude you are fixated, RADIO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Better man than I'll ever be. How n the hell can anyone do that and

                 I'd love to see that radio stations' rating. Can you get negative ratings? One thing you stated is that the Biden situation is not

                nepotism. It is indeed the meaning of nepotism whether it is the Trumps or Bidens. Ya really can't fault the kids in entirety. They

               are part of the system. TERM LIMITS would eliminate a whole lot of problems. The phrase Career Politician makes me wanna throw

               up. Our government  is as crooked as the next. It's an embarressment.

     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2020 - 6:05 AM ET #174

    midnite- I just order the book "Profile in Corruption" on amazon for 17.99. You'd probably be curious. Hope the hell it

                shows both sides and doesn't simply profile the Dems. Rock on

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    midnite- I just order the book "Profile in Corruption" on amazon for 17.99. You'd probably be curious. Hope the hell it

                shows both sides and doesn't simply profile the Dems. Rock on

     
     
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    Posted: Jan. 28, 2020 - 12:44 PM ET #175

    Quote Originally Posted by Snorkel:

    midnite- I just order the book "Profile in Corruption" on amazon for 17.99. You'd probably be curious. Hope the hell it             shows both sides and doesn't simply profile the Dems. Rock on

    Snorkel...I'll safe you some time since you were hoping this would be a balanced book. He talks about 8 politicians in detail. All of them are Democrats with a little bit about the loving couple Moscow Mitch and Elaine Chow. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snorkel:

    midnite- I just order the book "Profile in Corruption" on amazon for 17.99. You'd probably be curious. Hope the hell it             shows both sides and doesn't simply profile the Dems. Rock on

    Snorkel...I'll safe you some time since you were hoping this would be a balanced book. He talks about 8 politicians in detail. All of them are Democrats with a little bit about the loving couple Moscow Mitch and Elaine Chow. 

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