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    I guess pardoning Libby is what Trump considers "draining the swamp"

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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2018 - 2:53 PM ET #1

    So explain this decision and pretty much any decision that the blubber boy makes that does anything more than partisan back scratching..

    And I am not interested in Obama this and Clinton that, your boi was supposed to represent flushing the system and looking out for the little guy.

    I know I know...as long as he is against Obama or Clinton or some DEM or he does some conservative gesture then who the crap cares about the lies that pour out of his mouth and the faux campaign he ran on.

     

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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.

    So explain this decision and pretty much any decision that the blubber boy makes that does anything more than partisan back scratching..

    And I am not interested in Obama this and Clinton that, your boi was supposed to represent flushing the system and looking out for the little guy.

    I know I know...as long as he is against Obama or Clinton or some DEM or he does some conservative gesture then who the crap cares about the lies that pour out of his mouth and the faux campaign he ran on.

     

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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2018 - 7:54 PM ET #2

    Scooter Libby supposedly lies to the FBI while Robert Mueller is the Director. I would believe Scooter over Mueller any day of the week. Great pardon! Who is up next?

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    Scooter Libby supposedly lies to the FBI while Robert Mueller is the Director. I would believe Scooter over Mueller any day of the week. Great pardon! Who is up next?

     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2018 - 8:40 PM ET #3

    Yeah who cares that Libby was responsible for Iraq and anyone associated with Cheney should be in jail just for that reason alone.

    And of course to you anything conservative even if the guy was convicted is worthy of a pardon.

     

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    Yeah who cares that Libby was responsible for Iraq and anyone associated with Cheney should be in jail just for that reason alone.

    And of course to you anything conservative even if the guy was convicted is worthy of a pardon.

     

     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2018 - 9:10 PM ET #4

    I have no reason to trust rogue officials like McCabe, Comey and Robert Mueller. The best that I can tell is all 3 men are criminals.

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    I have no reason to trust rogue officials like McCabe, Comey and Robert Mueller. The best that I can tell is all 3 men are criminals.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 13, 2018 - 11:58 PM ET #5

    Another controversial pardon by Trump.  Previously, Trump pardons Arpaio the worst sheriff convicted for criminal contempt and unlawfully arresting people.  Now Trump is a hypocrite who wrongly attacks Comey for being a leaker and liar while he pardons a convicted leaker and liar in Libby.

    Myth is that Libby is innocent.  Actually, he received a fair trial and his conviction is based on testimonies from multiple witnesses.  President Bush respected the jury's decision by refusing to pardon Libby. 

    Trump's pardon may be sending message to his aides facing potential prosecution that obstruction of justice would be rewarded.  This is how the mafia operates.
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    Another controversial pardon by Trump.  Previously, Trump pardons Arpaio the worst sheriff convicted for criminal contempt and unlawfully arresting people.  Now Trump is a hypocrite who wrongly attacks Comey for being a leaker and liar while he pardons a convicted leaker and liar in Libby.

    Myth is that Libby is innocent.  Actually, he received a fair trial and his conviction is based on testimonies from multiple witnesses.  President Bush respected the jury's decision by refusing to pardon Libby. 

    Trump's pardon may be sending message to his aides facing potential prosecution that obstruction of justice would be rewarded.  This is how the mafia operates.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 14, 2018 - 1:55 AM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    I have no reason to trust rogue officials like McCabe, Comey and Robert Mueller. The best that I can tell is all 3 men are criminals.


    Your head is far up your own azzzz and yet some how you still can't tell schit. "The best I can tell is  all 3 men or criminals." Where do you get this stuff. What's criminal is being such an imbecile. You give some other conservatives on this site a bad name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    I have no reason to trust rogue officials like McCabe, Comey and Robert Mueller. The best that I can tell is all 3 men are criminals.


    Your head is far up your own azzzz and yet some how you still can't tell schit. "The best I can tell is  all 3 men or criminals." Where do you get this stuff. What's criminal is being such an imbecile. You give some other conservatives on this site a bad name.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 6:49 PM ET #7

    Who's a liberal, phuckboy?
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    Who's a liberal, phuckboy?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 8:33 PM ET #8

    “Libby is responsible for Iraq and anyone associated with Cheney should be in jail just for that reason alone.” 

    Like Mueller? 

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uTDO-kuOGTQ

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    “Libby is responsible for Iraq and anyone associated with Cheney should be in jail just for that reason alone.” 

    Like Mueller? 

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uTDO-kuOGTQ

     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 8:37 PM ET #9

    Wallstreet, tell me why Libby is responsible for Iraq and Mueller is not. 

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    Wallstreet, tell me why Libby is responsible for Iraq and Mueller is not. 

     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 9:10 PM ET #10

    I will be proven right Stu if the process is allowed to play out honestly. McCabe has a 400-500 thousand dollar Gofundme account to hire the best lawyers money can buy This is a very slow process. Wray had good reason to fire McCabe. McCabe will help bring Comey to justice.Military tribunals in place. Comey cleared HRC for political reasons.I don't have enough time tonight to discuss Robert Mueller.My question for you Stu would be how aren't Mueller, Comey and McCabe not criminals?

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    I will be proven right Stu if the process is allowed to play out honestly. McCabe has a 400-500 thousand dollar Gofundme account to hire the best lawyers money can buy This is a very slow process. Wray had good reason to fire McCabe. McCabe will help bring Comey to justice.Military tribunals in place. Comey cleared HRC for political reasons.I don't have enough time tonight to discuss Robert Mueller.My question for you Stu would be how aren't Mueller, Comey and McCabe not criminals?

     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 10:06 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Posted: about an hour ago "Quote" Wallstreet, tell me why Libby is responsible for Iraq and Mueller is not.

    Your partisan fixation is a serious problem. Were the two equal in every way with regards to Iraq?

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Posted: about an hour ago "Quote" Wallstreet, tell me why Libby is responsible for Iraq and Mueller is not.

    Your partisan fixation is a serious problem. Were the two equal in every way with regards to Iraq?

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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 10:53 PM ET #12

    Sundance, when you accuse someone of being a criminal, or anything for that matter, the burden of proof is on you. You can't simply say, "Stu, how aren't they criminals?"

    What if I came in here and said, "Sundance goes into convalescent homes and beats old people...for fun. There's a possibility he also beats children" Everybody goes, "Whoa, how do you even know that?" and my only response is, "How do you know he doesn't?" I'd sound quite ridiculous.

    I'll level with you. I'm not a leftie. I'm not a rightie. I'm an indie. There are a few issues i'm extremely liberal on, the environment comes to mind, but i'm probably 70% conservative. I say all of this to say I didn't disagree with your statement based on the idiotic "leftie vs. rightie" covers war, which annoys the shite out of me. My issue with your statement was the fact that, and this is what annoys me most about many covers' political posts, my issue is that it seemed to come right out of your anus.
    I don't know a lot about the past of those men but I am all ears and open-minded. If you've got something of substance on the subject, share it. If not, how can you expect anyone to take anything you say seriously?
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    Sundance, when you accuse someone of being a criminal, or anything for that matter, the burden of proof is on you. You can't simply say, "Stu, how aren't they criminals?"

    What if I came in here and said, "Sundance goes into convalescent homes and beats old people...for fun. There's a possibility he also beats children" Everybody goes, "Whoa, how do you even know that?" and my only response is, "How do you know he doesn't?" I'd sound quite ridiculous.

    I'll level with you. I'm not a leftie. I'm not a rightie. I'm an indie. There are a few issues i'm extremely liberal on, the environment comes to mind, but i'm probably 70% conservative. I say all of this to say I didn't disagree with your statement based on the idiotic "leftie vs. rightie" covers war, which annoys the shite out of me. My issue with your statement was the fact that, and this is what annoys me most about many covers' political posts, my issue is that it seemed to come right out of your anus.
    I don't know a lot about the past of those men but I am all ears and open-minded. If you've got something of substance on the subject, share it. If not, how can you expect anyone to take anything you say seriously?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 15, 2018 - 10:59 PM ET #13

    And "aren't...not..." is a double-negative, broski. A typo, i'm sure. I make quite a few of them myself because I don't care enough about what the people of covers think about me to proof read. And I have man hands and i'm generally typing on a cell phone.
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    And "aren't...not..." is a double-negative, broski. A typo, i'm sure. I make quite a few of them myself because I don't care enough about what the people of covers think about me to proof read. And I have man hands and i'm generally typing on a cell phone.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2018 - 8:50 AM ET #14

    Lol stu. I knew that was bad English. I did not take enough time to make the correction. Thanks for the English lesson. I hate double negatives!

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    Lol stu. I knew that was bad English. I did not take enough time to make the correction. Thanks for the English lesson. I hate double negatives!

     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2018 - 9:21 AM ET #15

    Were the two equal? 

    Mueller was Director of the FBI. He looked into cameras and told the American people Saddam had WMD’s. He said the WMD’s might even hit America. Mueller is a complete fraud and an establishment puppet. 

    Wallstreet, why do you give Mueller a pass? 
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    Were the two equal? 

    Mueller was Director of the FBI. He looked into cameras and told the American people Saddam had WMD’s. He said the WMD’s might even hit America. Mueller is a complete fraud and an establishment puppet. 

    Wallstreet, why do you give Mueller a pass? 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2018 - 2:36 PM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Posted: about 5 hours ago "Quote" Were the two equal? Mueller was Director of the FBI. He looked into cameras and told the American people Saddam had WMD’s. He said the WMD’s might even hit America. Mueller is a complete fraud and an establishment puppet. Wallstreet, why do you give Mueller a pass?

     

    So when did I give anyone a pass? I said Libby was responsible for Iraq and associated with Cheney...and the rest that you can re-read...nowhere did I give a pass to anyone.

    Also...my comment about Libby has more to do with his involvement with Cheney and the influence he had in shaping the phony intelligence vs whatever position someone holds.

    Why must you be a little gnat trying to stir up deflection points that I did not even introduce?

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    Quote Originally Posted by I_Need_A_Detox:

    Posted: about 5 hours ago "Quote" Were the two equal? Mueller was Director of the FBI. He looked into cameras and told the American people Saddam had WMD’s. He said the WMD’s might even hit America. Mueller is a complete fraud and an establishment puppet. Wallstreet, why do you give Mueller a pass?

     

    So when did I give anyone a pass? I said Libby was responsible for Iraq and associated with Cheney...and the rest that you can re-read...nowhere did I give a pass to anyone.

    Also...my comment about Libby has more to do with his involvement with Cheney and the influence he had in shaping the phony intelligence vs whatever position someone holds.

    Why must you be a little gnat trying to stir up deflection points that I did not even introduce?

     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2018 - 2:53 PM ET #17

    Was Libby the actual leaker? That has been disputed for yrs. Id google it but ....I don't have the internet.

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    Was Libby the actual leaker? That has been disputed for yrs. Id google it but ....I don't have the internet.

     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2018 - 3:07 PM ET #18

    Here you go Hockey. Brief article follows.

    Above all, Mr. Trump pardoned an innocent man. In an op-ed nearby, David Rivkin and Lee Casey recount the story of Mr. Libby’s unjust prosecution amid the political uproar over the leak of the name of CIA employee Valerie Plame. Special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald never did prosecute the leaker, who was Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage. But in his zealous pursuit of Mr. Cheney, Mr. Fitzgerald railroaded Mr. Libby for lying to the FBI based in large part on the testimony of former New York Times reporter Judith Miller.

    Ms. Miller says she testified truthfully at the time, but she later concluded based on new information that she had been led into false testimony by Mr. Fitzgerald. As the White House press secretary said Friday in a pardon statement: “In 2015, one of the key witnesses against Mr. Libby recanted her testimony, stating publicly that she believes the prosecutor withheld relevant information from her during interviews that would have altered significantly what she said.”

    Mr. Fitzgerald had called her testimony “critical” to the case in his summation for the jury, and Ms. Miller says that the prosecutor twice said that he would drop all charges against Mr. Libby if he offered evidence against Mr. Cheney. Mr. Libby had no evidence to trade, and Mr. Fitzgerald then set out to ruin Mr. Libby for supposedly lying about a non-crime.

    Mr. Bush commuted Mr. Libby’s sentence so he didn’t go to prison. But Mr. Bush refused to issue a full pardon on the basis of bad legal advice, a betrayal of a loyal aide that understandably infuriated Mr. Cheney.

    In 2016 the District of Columbia Court of Appeals reinstated Mr. Libby to the D.C. bar after it said a legal disciplinary counsel had presented “credible evidence” in support of his innocence. Mr. Trump’s pardon should now restore his reputation in full.


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    Here you go Hockey. Brief article follows.

    Above all, Mr. Trump pardoned an innocent man. In an op-ed nearby, David Rivkin and Lee Casey recount the story of Mr. Libby’s unjust prosecution amid the political uproar over the leak of the name of CIA employee Valerie Plame. Special counsel Patrick Fitzgerald never did prosecute the leaker, who was Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage. But in his zealous pursuit of Mr. Cheney, Mr. Fitzgerald railroaded Mr. Libby for lying to the FBI based in large part on the testimony of former New York Times reporter Judith Miller.

    Ms. Miller says she testified truthfully at the time, but she later concluded based on new information that she had been led into false testimony by Mr. Fitzgerald. As the White House press secretary said Friday in a pardon statement: “In 2015, one of the key witnesses against Mr. Libby recanted her testimony, stating publicly that she believes the prosecutor withheld relevant information from her during interviews that would have altered significantly what she said.”

    Mr. Fitzgerald had called her testimony “critical” to the case in his summation for the jury, and Ms. Miller says that the prosecutor twice said that he would drop all charges against Mr. Libby if he offered evidence against Mr. Cheney. Mr. Libby had no evidence to trade, and Mr. Fitzgerald then set out to ruin Mr. Libby for supposedly lying about a non-crime.

    Mr. Bush commuted Mr. Libby’s sentence so he didn’t go to prison. But Mr. Bush refused to issue a full pardon on the basis of bad legal advice, a betrayal of a loyal aide that understandably infuriated Mr. Cheney.

    In 2016 the District of Columbia Court of Appeals reinstated Mr. Libby to the D.C. bar after it said a legal disciplinary counsel had presented “credible evidence” in support of his innocence. Mr. Trump’s pardon should now restore his reputation in full.


     
    I_Need_A_Detox
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2018 - 4:41 PM ET #19

    So Libby should be in jail. 

    And Mueller should be investigating a sitting president. 

    Even though Mueller is more responsible for doing what you think Libby should be in jail for. 

    Liberal logic. 
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    So Libby should be in jail. 

    And Mueller should be investigating a sitting president. 

    Even though Mueller is more responsible for doing what you think Libby should be in jail for. 

    Liberal logic. 
     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2018 - 5:02 PM ET #20

    Will Hannity be next?
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    Will Hannity be next?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2018 - 5:07 PM ET #21

    Darkhorse, where do you get all of these avatars?
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    Darkhorse, where do you get all of these avatars?
     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2018 - 5:35 PM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Darkhorse, where do you get all of these avatars?

    The man make big money sucking Orange @ss every night....Its hard to believe folks can't see though his nightly BS ramble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:

    Darkhorse, where do you get all of these avatars?

    The man make big money sucking Orange @ss every night....Its hard to believe folks can't see though his nightly BS ramble.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2018 - 5:48 PM ET #23

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    Will Hannity be next?


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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    Will Hannity be next?


     
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    Posted: Apr. 16, 2018 - 6:34 PM ET #24

    I don't think it's @ss he's sucking, if you know what I mean......you know.....

    I mean penis. He's sucking penis.
    R.I.P. #94 MARSHAWN KNEELAND - DC4L
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    I don't think it's @ss he's sucking, if you know what I mean......you know.....

    I mean penis. He's sucking penis.
     
     
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    Posted: May. 10, 2018 - 5:43 PM ET #25

    Great job Mr. President.........meanwhile....... Ironically 3:00 AM was the time the calls were coming in for Hillary Clinton to respond to the real time ongoing attack on Benghazi. She, in a drunken stupor, rolled over and went back to sleep.

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    Great job Mr. President.........meanwhile....... Ironically 3:00 AM was the time the calls were coming in for Hillary Clinton to respond to the real time ongoing attack on Benghazi. She, in a drunken stupor, rolled over and went back to sleep.

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