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    DoctorSuccess
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    Posted: Feb. 6, 2020 - 2:44 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by RoboCapper:

    There is a 100% chance of Trump being re-elected. He speaks truth and a lot of people have a difficult time with it because they have been spoon-fed sugar-coated bullsh*t their entire lives through the various brainwashing programs. Everything he has ever said is 100% truth and is the ONLY President who can say this! He is serving a higher purpose most don't understand and his mission will succeed. The Dems continue to embarrass themselves because they know they are about to be exposed for the truth of WHO they really are and what they represent!  When this happens most will be shocked and left speechless.

    Are you referring to Q?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoboCapper:

    There is a 100% chance of Trump being re-elected. He speaks truth and a lot of people have a difficult time with it because they have been spoon-fed sugar-coated bullsh*t their entire lives through the various brainwashing programs. Everything he has ever said is 100% truth and is the ONLY President who can say this! He is serving a higher purpose most don't understand and his mission will succeed. The Dems continue to embarrass themselves because they know they are about to be exposed for the truth of WHO they really are and what they represent!  When this happens most will be shocked and left speechless.

    Are you referring to Q?

     
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    Posted: Feb. 6, 2020 - 2:47 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by NYBartender:

    Quote Originally Posted by Polar_Bear:

    I made a bundle off of the +520 line I got in that first election, won't see a gift like that again but still grab what you can for his next Presidential victory.So since the impeachment attempt Trumps popularity has risen to an all time high for him. Trump's current 49% approval rate even puts him ahead of where his predecessor -- Barack Obama -- was at this same time in his first term. (Obama was at 46% approval.)
    I'm blown away he's only -150 to win. Saw this earlier today and assumed it would be much larger.

    Similar to 2016, there are a lot fake polls being shoved out to make people think he might lose. Plus the whole impeachment fiasco. Millions of people thought he was actually going to be forced out of office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYBartender:

    Quote Originally Posted by Polar_Bear:

    I made a bundle off of the +520 line I got in that first election, won't see a gift like that again but still grab what you can for his next Presidential victory.So since the impeachment attempt Trumps popularity has risen to an all time high for him. Trump's current 49% approval rate even puts him ahead of where his predecessor -- Barack Obama -- was at this same time in his first term. (Obama was at 46% approval.)
    I'm blown away he's only -150 to win. Saw this earlier today and assumed it would be much larger.

    Similar to 2016, there are a lot fake polls being shoved out to make people think he might lose. Plus the whole impeachment fiasco. Millions of people thought he was actually going to be forced out of office.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2020 - 12:03 AM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:


    Skip, 

    what's up. wow it has been long time since last time in here. hope all is well, bud! GL! 

    How's it hanging, man? I'm on a quest for peace. And quiet. Which is why I haven't been hanging out here much anymore. Just reading this thread has cost me an IQ point, and I have few to spare. Had a weak bowl season and strong playoff run. Hit a lot of unders. Think I'll wait to see who the dem candidate is before making a play here. If I do. Contrary to popular thought here, a candidate who hasn't broken 50% in popularity in three years may not be much of a bargain at -150. Number seems about right to me if not a little steep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:


    Skip, 

    what's up. wow it has been long time since last time in here. hope all is well, bud! GL! 

    How's it hanging, man? I'm on a quest for peace. And quiet. Which is why I haven't been hanging out here much anymore. Just reading this thread has cost me an IQ point, and I have few to spare. Had a weak bowl season and strong playoff run. Hit a lot of unders. Think I'll wait to see who the dem candidate is before making a play here. If I do. Contrary to popular thought here, a candidate who hasn't broken 50% in popularity in three years may not be much of a bargain at -150. Number seems about right to me if not a little steep.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2020 - 1:03 AM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by Skipster:


    How's it hanging, man? I'm on a quest for peace. And quiet. Which is why I haven't been hanging out here much anymore. Just reading this thread has cost me an IQ point, and I have few to spare. Had a weak bowl season and strong playoff run. Hit a lot of unders. Think I'll wait to see who the dem candidate is before making a play here. If I do. Contrary to popular thought here, a candidate who hasn't broken 50% in popularity in three years may not be much of a bargain at -150. Number seems about right to me if not a little steep.

    Pay attention to those battle ground states, such as Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida... if taking the bet. Woman and suburban voters could make the decisive outcome in the 2020 campaign but I don't like to talk politics on the NFL forum, best of luck, bud!   
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skipster:


    How's it hanging, man? I'm on a quest for peace. And quiet. Which is why I haven't been hanging out here much anymore. Just reading this thread has cost me an IQ point, and I have few to spare. Had a weak bowl season and strong playoff run. Hit a lot of unders. Think I'll wait to see who the dem candidate is before making a play here. If I do. Contrary to popular thought here, a candidate who hasn't broken 50% in popularity in three years may not be much of a bargain at -150. Number seems about right to me if not a little steep.

    Pay attention to those battle ground states, such as Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida... if taking the bet. Woman and suburban voters could make the decisive outcome in the 2020 campaign but I don't like to talk politics on the NFL forum, best of luck, bud!   
     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2020 - 1:32 AM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by Skipster:

    How's it hanging, man? I'm on a quest for peace. And quiet. Which is why I haven't been hanging out here much anymore. Just reading this thread has cost me an IQ point, and I have few to spare. Had a weak bowl season and strong playoff run. Hit a lot of unders. Think I'll wait to see who the dem candidate is before making a play here. If I do. Contrary to popular thought here, a candidate who hasn't broken 50% in popularity in three years may not be much of a bargain at -150. Number seems about right to me if not a little steep.
    Pay attention to those battle ground states, such as Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida... if taking the bet. Woman and suburban voters could make the decisive outcome in the 2020 campaign but I don't like to talk politics on the NFL forum, best of luck, bud!

    Lol the nfl.is nothing but political . A complete military exercise watching  a game.  They  endorse military  all season.  The Kaepernick  flag  thing. Pro sports games are a national opiate .propaganda  as a military  exercise. 

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Quote Originally Posted by Skipster:

    How's it hanging, man? I'm on a quest for peace. And quiet. Which is why I haven't been hanging out here much anymore. Just reading this thread has cost me an IQ point, and I have few to spare. Had a weak bowl season and strong playoff run. Hit a lot of unders. Think I'll wait to see who the dem candidate is before making a play here. If I do. Contrary to popular thought here, a candidate who hasn't broken 50% in popularity in three years may not be much of a bargain at -150. Number seems about right to me if not a little steep.
    Pay attention to those battle ground states, such as Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Florida... if taking the bet. Woman and suburban voters could make the decisive outcome in the 2020 campaign but I don't like to talk politics on the NFL forum, best of luck, bud!

    Lol the nfl.is nothing but political . A complete military exercise watching  a game.  They  endorse military  all season.  The Kaepernick  flag  thing. Pro sports games are a national opiate .propaganda  as a military  exercise. 

     

     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2020 - 2:33 AM ET #31

    Seems like a solid bet for sure.

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    Seems like a solid bet for sure.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 7, 2020 - 10:35 AM ET #32

    Trump was elected for his promise of draining the political swamp. What you are seeing now from both sides, particularly the left, is the residue that simply cannot be flushed in a single term. The right is just as dirty but have fallen in line behind an incumbent of the people. If you remember, Trump was not well received by these same folks until the writing became clearer on the wall. Similar to roaches scattering upon the flicking on of a light switch. Trump is the anti-establishment and it is all gonna get weirder from here as we watch the dog & pony show that is our media driven political system in an election year.
    an_popcorn

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    Trump was elected for his promise of draining the political swamp. What you are seeing now from both sides, particularly the left, is the residue that simply cannot be flushed in a single term. The right is just as dirty but have fallen in line behind an incumbent of the people. If you remember, Trump was not well received by these same folks until the writing became clearer on the wall. Similar to roaches scattering upon the flicking on of a light switch. Trump is the anti-establishment and it is all gonna get weirder from here as we watch the dog & pony show that is our media driven political system in an election year.
    an_popcorn

     
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    Posted: Feb. 8, 2020 - 2:03 AM ET #33

    The modern democrat party...

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    The modern democrat party...

     
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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2020 - 7:53 AM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by tombstoned:

    Trump was elected for his promise of draining the political swamp. What you are seeing now from both sides, particularly the left, is the residue that simply cannot be flushed in a single term. The right is just as dirty but have fallen in line behind an incumbent of the people. If you remember, Trump was not well received by these same folks until the writing became clearer on the wall. Similar to roaches scattering upon the flicking on of a light switch. Trump is the anti-establishment and it is all gonna get weirder from here as we watch the dog & pony show that is our media driven political system in an election year.

    This is an excellent summation. Very well written.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tombstoned:

    Trump was elected for his promise of draining the political swamp. What you are seeing now from both sides, particularly the left, is the residue that simply cannot be flushed in a single term. The right is just as dirty but have fallen in line behind an incumbent of the people. If you remember, Trump was not well received by these same folks until the writing became clearer on the wall. Similar to roaches scattering upon the flicking on of a light switch. Trump is the anti-establishment and it is all gonna get weirder from here as we watch the dog & pony show that is our media driven political system in an election year.

    This is an excellent summation. Very well written.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2020 - 8:20 AM ET #35

    To vote for a Democrat you have to be insane.  The problem is we have women minorities and some insane men in the USA.  There's no getting around it, and it just gets worse over the years.

    The problem is demographics have gotten worse over the years

    So don't look at it as who should win here

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    To vote for a Democrat you have to be insane.  The problem is we have women minorities and some insane men in the USA.  There's no getting around it, and it just gets worse over the years.

    The problem is demographics have gotten worse over the years

    So don't look at it as who should win here

     
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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2020 - 8:25 AM ET #36

    Like I said as a gambler, it's not about the home team.

    Sadly, you have to bet on Charles Manson if he's the favorite to go on a spree in California.

    It is what it is.

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    Like I said as a gambler, it's not about the home team.

    Sadly, you have to bet on Charles Manson if he's the favorite to go on a spree in California.

    It is what it is.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2020 - 11:29 AM ET #37

    Quote Originally Posted by lancer89074:

    You are just upset because President Trump made your 'long legged MacDaddy' look like a fool on election night...Obama (despite his matny campaign stops) couldn't cashier any of that supposed popularity into any real support for the Pantsuit Pinocchio. 

     

     


    Murica is a joke , fox has Brainwashed the gullible that anyone who doesn't bend over for Trump , is a liberal or Obama /Clinton lover.    

    Trump is a daily Trainwreck , full of insanity , Lies , hate and fear mongering ... Reminiscent of the movie Idiocracy ....


    Trump will be re-elected ..
    Murica will continue to be flushed down the toilet


    BEST OF HEALTH, HAPPINESS,WEALTH, BLESSINGS and LUCK TO ALL !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lancer89074:

    You are just upset because President Trump made your 'long legged MacDaddy' look like a fool on election night...Obama (despite his matny campaign stops) couldn't cashier any of that supposed popularity into any real support for the Pantsuit Pinocchio. 

     

     


    Murica is a joke , fox has Brainwashed the gullible that anyone who doesn't bend over for Trump , is a liberal or Obama /Clinton lover.    

    Trump is a daily Trainwreck , full of insanity , Lies , hate and fear mongering ... Reminiscent of the movie Idiocracy ....


    Trump will be re-elected ..
    Murica will continue to be flushed down the toilet


     
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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2020 - 5:20 PM ET #38

    Love the way liberals say we reject hate of all forms...

    And then it doesn't take them less than .01 second to start spouting off about how much they hate Trump

    we need to create a country to put all these idiots, and just ensure they can phone in their wagers, but never enter any country again

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    Love the way liberals say we reject hate of all forms...

    And then it doesn't take them less than .01 second to start spouting off about how much they hate Trump

    we need to create a country to put all these idiots, and just ensure they can phone in their wagers, but never enter any country again

     
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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2020 - 5:34 PM ET #39

    Plus gambling is a positive.  Opening up around the country.  Small bump, but definitely a bump.

     

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    Plus gambling is a positive.  Opening up around the country.  Small bump, but definitely a bump.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by budwiser:

    Love the way liberals say we reject hate of all forms...

    And then it doesn't take them less than .01 second to start spouting off about how much they hate Trump

    we need to create a country to put all these idiots, and just ensure they can phone in their wagers, but never enter any country again


    You're proving my point Brother

    Fox news has Brainwashed you to believe that anyone who doesn't bend over for Tru mp  is a liberal.    

    I'm republican , but refuse to support the pathological lying lunatic we have in the WH .  

    He'll be REELECTED bc the Dem candidates are worthless, and don't have anything to offer ..
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    Quote Originally Posted by budwiser:

    Love the way liberals say we reject hate of all forms...

    And then it doesn't take them less than .01 second to start spouting off about how much they hate Trump

    we need to create a country to put all these idiots, and just ensure they can phone in their wagers, but never enter any country again


    You're proving my point Brother

    Fox news has Brainwashed you to believe that anyone who doesn't bend over for Tru mp  is a liberal.    

    I'm republican , but refuse to support the pathological lying lunatic we have in the WH .  

    He'll be REELECTED bc the Dem candidates are worthless, and don't have anything to offer ..
     
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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2020 - 6:29 PM ET #41

    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    You're proving my point BrotherFox news has Brainwashed you to believe that anyone who doesn't bend over for Tru mp  is a liberal.    I'm republican , but refuse to support the pathological lying lunatic we have in the WH .  He'll be REELECTED bc the Dem candidates are worthless, and don't have anything to offer ..

    That's exactly right.  Dems don't have anything to offer.  They are either insane, or faker than barbie and ken at a doll convention.

    If I could wager on politicians breaking promises I would an_roll_laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    You're proving my point BrotherFox news has Brainwashed you to believe that anyone who doesn't bend over for Tru mp  is a liberal.    I'm republican , but refuse to support the pathological lying lunatic we have in the WH .  He'll be REELECTED bc the Dem candidates are worthless, and don't have anything to offer ..

    That's exactly right.  Dems don't have anything to offer.  They are either insane, or faker than barbie and ken at a doll convention.

    If I could wager on politicians breaking promises I would an_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2020 - 7:57 PM ET #42

    Quote Originally Posted by budwiser:

    That's exactly right.  Dems don't have anything to offer.  They are either insane, or faker than barbie and ken at a doll convention.

    If I could wager on politicians breaking promises I would an_roll_laugh


    The ONLY THING the DEM candidates offer is that they're NOT INSANE like DICKTATOR TRUMP....
    Can't see any of them having 50+ daily meltdowns on Twitter before noon ....




    ...I've already bet a few guys at work that Trump wins at even money ...Should be an easy $850 ...The more I talk trash to these guys the bet size will increase before the election...

    TRUMP is a LOCK after making the Mega Rich , Richer , and Brainwashing gullible rubes....No disrespect to those who support him , it's your right as a Free American ...


    BEST OF HEALTH, HAPPINESS,WEALTH, BLESSINGS and LUCK TO ALL !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by budwiser:

    That's exactly right.  Dems don't have anything to offer.  They are either insane, or faker than barbie and ken at a doll convention.

    If I could wager on politicians breaking promises I would an_roll_laugh


    The ONLY THING the DEM candidates offer is that they're NOT INSANE like DICKTATOR TRUMP....
    Can't see any of them having 50+ daily meltdowns on Twitter before noon ....




    ...I've already bet a few guys at work that Trump wins at even money ...Should be an easy $850 ...The more I talk trash to these guys the bet size will increase before the election...

    TRUMP is a LOCK after making the Mega Rich , Richer , and Brainwashing gullible rubes....No disrespect to those who support him , it's your right as a Free American ...


     
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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2020 - 9:21 PM ET #43

    I bet 2 dimes at +500 in 2016.  killed it

    Fade BookieFaker & Bee Free SHAKE IT JIL GmCock
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    I bet 2 dimes at +500 in 2016.  killed it

     
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    Posted: Feb. 9, 2020 - 9:43 PM ET #44

    Both teams  in SB were red. Red= republican 

    And KC looks like NJ generals base  uniform. Signs ?

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    Both teams  in SB were red. Red= republican 

    And KC looks like NJ generals base  uniform. Signs ?

     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2020 - 3:09 AM ET #45

    Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:

    Both teams  in SB were red. Red= republican 

    And KC looks like NJ generals base  uniform. Signs ?

    The 2016 Super Bowl was won by the Denver Broncos whose team colors are orange and blue.  That didn't help HRC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chic-cardinals:

    Both teams  in SB were red. Red= republican 

    And KC looks like NJ generals base  uniform. Signs ?

    The 2016 Super Bowl was won by the Denver Broncos whose team colors are orange and blue.  That didn't help HRC.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2020 - 3:53 AM ET #46

    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    The ONLY THING the DEM candidates offer is that they're NOT INSANE like DICKTATOR TRUMP....Can't see any of them having 50+ daily meltdowns on Twitter before noon .......I've already bet a few guys at work that Trump wins at even money ...Should be an easy $850 ...The more I talk trash to these guys the bet size will increase before the election...TRUMP is a LOCK after making the Mega Rich , Richer , and Brainwashing gullible rubes....No disrespect to those who support him , it's your right as a Free American ...

    Anyone who watches the democrat debates knows that this clown car slate of candidates belongs in a psychiatric ward. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:

    The ONLY THING the DEM candidates offer is that they're NOT INSANE like DICKTATOR TRUMP....Can't see any of them having 50+ daily meltdowns on Twitter before noon .......I've already bet a few guys at work that Trump wins at even money ...Should be an easy $850 ...The more I talk trash to these guys the bet size will increase before the election...TRUMP is a LOCK after making the Mega Rich , Richer , and Brainwashing gullible rubes....No disrespect to those who support him , it's your right as a Free American ...

    Anyone who watches the democrat debates knows that this clown car slate of candidates belongs in a psychiatric ward. 

     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2020 - 9:18 PM ET #47

    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:


    The ONLY THING the DEM candidates offer is that they're NOT INSANE like DICKTATOR TRUMP....
    Can't see any of them having 50+ daily meltdowns on Twitter before noon ....




    ...I've already bet a few guys at work that Trump wins at even money ...Should be an easy $850 ...The more I talk trash to these guys the bet size will increase before the election...

    TRUMP is a LOCK after making the Mega Rich , Richer , and Brainwashing gullible rubes....No disrespect to those who support him , it's your right as a Free American ...



    Fox is CNN lite until opinion shows starting w Tucker. The only brainwashing has been done by the MSM to the sheeple like yourself. 

    MSM is nothing but the propaganda arm pf the DNC. Lies lies lies. Literally fake news. Trump is right with everything he says and does, but people (libs) are sp blinded due to regirgitated talking points "the news" feeds them they dont even realize it

    Soon enough once the heads roll for the corrumpt coup attempt, and people are shown PROOF that the RUssians DID NOT hack our election/DNC rather SETH RICH and his thumb drive sent to Wikileaks was the culprit.....and he was murdered for it a few Dems will wake up. 

    Then theres still 30% of libs who will be shown the truth and will still back their tram bc of their hatred for Trump. A man who didnt need to be President. Hes lost countless millions while the clinton and obama and politicians on BOTH sides of thr isle MAKE milions upon millions selling us out for thr past 50 yrs. 

    US aid to Ukraine and other countries??? How about nothibg but money laundering schemes that end right back in the pockets of politicians via family members

    Weve been tarred and feathered as citizens for decades- DONALD J TRUMP is fighting for ME and YOU double4life (even though you hate him)

    Trump is a patriot who is giving US back pur country. 

    Bring it all you want, but any counter argument ill gladly read knowing full well I AM ?? RIGHT
    Trump+500 in 2016
    Trump-200 at my book max bet yesterday. 

    MAGA

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleUp4Life:


    The ONLY THING the DEM candidates offer is that they're NOT INSANE like DICKTATOR TRUMP....
    Can't see any of them having 50+ daily meltdowns on Twitter before noon ....




    ...I've already bet a few guys at work that Trump wins at even money ...Should be an easy $850 ...The more I talk trash to these guys the bet size will increase before the election...

    TRUMP is a LOCK after making the Mega Rich , Richer , and Brainwashing gullible rubes....No disrespect to those who support him , it's your right as a Free American ...



    Fox is CNN lite until opinion shows starting w Tucker. The only brainwashing has been done by the MSM to the sheeple like yourself. 

    MSM is nothing but the propaganda arm pf the DNC. Lies lies lies. Literally fake news. Trump is right with everything he says and does, but people (libs) are sp blinded due to regirgitated talking points "the news" feeds them they dont even realize it

    Soon enough once the heads roll for the corrumpt coup attempt, and people are shown PROOF that the RUssians DID NOT hack our election/DNC rather SETH RICH and his thumb drive sent to Wikileaks was the culprit.....and he was murdered for it a few Dems will wake up. 

    Then theres still 30% of libs who will be shown the truth and will still back their tram bc of their hatred for Trump. A man who didnt need to be President. Hes lost countless millions while the clinton and obama and politicians on BOTH sides of thr isle MAKE milions upon millions selling us out for thr past 50 yrs. 

    US aid to Ukraine and other countries??? How about nothibg but money laundering schemes that end right back in the pockets of politicians via family members

    Weve been tarred and feathered as citizens for decades- DONALD J TRUMP is fighting for ME and YOU double4life (even though you hate him)

    Trump is a patriot who is giving US back pur country. 

    Bring it all you want, but any counter argument ill gladly read knowing full well I AM ?? RIGHT
    Trump+500 in 2016
    Trump-200 at my book max bet yesterday. 

    MAGA

     
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    Posted: Feb. 10, 2020 - 9:44 PM ET #48


    Jeez read a few other threads in the forum-Doubleup is a clownshow
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    Jeez read a few other threads in the forum-Doubleup is a clownshow
     
     
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    Posted: Mar. 12, 2020 - 4:23 AM ET #49

    Vegas trap?

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    Vegas trap?

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