Anti-lockdown advocates laud Sweden natural immunity strategy. But Los Angeles times report that Sweden's soft approach has been a disaster in the pandemic according to Karolinska institute in Stockholm. Projected herd immunity is still nowhere in right. Sweden covid death rate is higher than in Denmark, Norway, Finland and countries that use stronger public health measures.
true and unfortunate
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Anti-lockdown advocates laud Sweden natural immunity strategy. But Los Angeles times report that Sweden's soft approach has been a disaster in the pandemic according to Karolinska institute in Stockholm. Projected herd immunity is still nowhere in right. Sweden covid death rate is higher than in Denmark, Norway, Finland and countries that use stronger public health measures.
German man takes 90 vaccination shots; https://apnews.com/article/covid-health-germany-europe-document-forgery-120b2c4db8aa71ffeadf766a9829910b
Since anti-vaxers claim vaccines are deadly, why isn't the man dead already after taking up to 90 doses over months? He probably has more pain, inflammation or flu like symptoms but nothing life threatening. There has been reports of over doses in other countries too. Historically, no adverse effects of vaccines have ever occurred beyond 2 months. mRNA vaccines are designed to quickly break down inside body. In clinical trials, high doses tested on humans and animals prove vaccines are safe.
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German man takes 90 vaccination shots; https://apnews.com/article/covid-health-germany-europe-document-forgery-120b2c4db8aa71ffeadf766a9829910b
Since anti-vaxers claim vaccines are deadly, why isn't the man dead already after taking up to 90 doses over months? He probably has more pain, inflammation or flu like symptoms but nothing life threatening. There has been reports of over doses in other countries too. Historically, no adverse effects of vaccines have ever occurred beyond 2 months. mRNA vaccines are designed to quickly break down inside body. In clinical trials, high doses tested on humans and animals prove vaccines are safe.
Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: German man takes 90 vaccination shots; https://apnews.com/article/covid-health-germany-europe-document-forgery-120b2c4db8aa71ffeadf766a9829910b Since anti-vaxers claim vaccines are deadly, why isn't the man dead already after taking up to 90 doses over months? He probably has more pain, inflammation or flu like symptoms but nothing life threatening. There has been reports of over doses in other countries too. Historically, no adverse effects of vaccines have ever occurred beyond 2 months. mRNA vaccines are designed to quickly break down inside body. In clinical trials, high doses tested on humans and animals prove vaccines are safe.
Oh, I agree, that's why I posted it. Put it in McTraps thread in the PB too. But unfortunately some people have died as a direct result of the vaccine. Few for sure but IT DOES HAPPEN.
I have a 13 yr old French Bulldog. She developed two tumors both where vaccination injections took place growing out of her skin. One grows and falls off in a 1.5 yr cycle. The other died off about the size of a nickel and remains a bald spot. Have had dogs all my life. Never, never seen that before. Vet believes this dog has an allergic reaction to the vaccine or one of the ingredients like polyethylene glycol.
So in rare cases it happens. The daughter of a Michigan woman who died from the vaccine said; “You telling me that it’s rare doesn’t make her any less dead,” so true and sad. And all she can do is file a federal claim, good luck with that.
That is why I oppose mandatory vaccinations, especially now when the vaccinated get and spread covid as readily as the unvaccinated.
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: German man takes 90 vaccination shots; https://apnews.com/article/covid-health-germany-europe-document-forgery-120b2c4db8aa71ffeadf766a9829910b Since anti-vaxers claim vaccines are deadly, why isn't the man dead already after taking up to 90 doses over months? He probably has more pain, inflammation or flu like symptoms but nothing life threatening. There has been reports of over doses in other countries too. Historically, no adverse effects of vaccines have ever occurred beyond 2 months. mRNA vaccines are designed to quickly break down inside body. In clinical trials, high doses tested on humans and animals prove vaccines are safe.
Oh, I agree, that's why I posted it. Put it in McTraps thread in the PB too. But unfortunately some people have died as a direct result of the vaccine. Few for sure but IT DOES HAPPEN.
I have a 13 yr old French Bulldog. She developed two tumors both where vaccination injections took place growing out of her skin. One grows and falls off in a 1.5 yr cycle. The other died off about the size of a nickel and remains a bald spot. Have had dogs all my life. Never, never seen that before. Vet believes this dog has an allergic reaction to the vaccine or one of the ingredients like polyethylene glycol.
So in rare cases it happens. The daughter of a Michigan woman who died from the vaccine said; “You telling me that it’s rare doesn’t make her any less dead,” so true and sad. And all she can do is file a federal claim, good luck with that.
That is why I oppose mandatory vaccinations, especially now when the vaccinated get and spread covid as readily as the unvaccinated.
Just a few months after The Atlantic claimed that Germany was beating COVID with N95 masks and strict vaccine passports, they have now reported more population adjusted COVID cases than either Sweden or the United States
I wonder if we’ll ever find out why it stopped working
Just a few months after The Atlantic claimed that Germany was beating COVID with N95 masks and strict vaccine passports, they have now reported more population adjusted COVID cases than either Sweden or the United States
I wonder if we’ll ever find out why it stopped working
Just a few months after The Atlantic claimed that Germany was beating COVID with N95 masks and strict vaccine passports, they have now reported more population adjusted COVID cases than either Sweden or the United States I wonder if we’ll ever find out why it stopped working
And with the highest covid case rates ever they end most mandates.
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Just a few months after The Atlantic claimed that Germany was beating COVID with N95 masks and strict vaccine passports, they have now reported more population adjusted COVID cases than either Sweden or the United States I wonder if we’ll ever find out why it stopped working
And with the highest covid case rates ever they end most mandates.
Oh boy, it's Monday and you know what that means!!!
Minnesota COVID BREAKTHROUGH DATA UPDATE.
For the week of February 27th.
On the 27th 68.1% of the population fully vaccinated, 68% of cases were the vaccinated for that week.
As it takes several weeks to die from covid, on Feb 1st 67.1% were vaccinated and for the week of February 27th 64.1% of deaths were the vaccinated.
57.6% of hospitalizations were vaccinated.
Let's look at entire month of February; from week of 2/6 to week of 2/27, 67.1% of cases the vaccinated, 65.1% of deaths the vaccinated, and 56.3% of hospitalizations the vaccinated.
Oh boy, it's Monday and you know what that means!!!
Minnesota COVID BREAKTHROUGH DATA UPDATE.
For the week of February 27th.
On the 27th 68.1% of the population fully vaccinated, 68% of cases were the vaccinated for that week.
As it takes several weeks to die from covid, on Feb 1st 67.1% were vaccinated and for the week of February 27th 64.1% of deaths were the vaccinated.
57.6% of hospitalizations were vaccinated.
Let's look at entire month of February; from week of 2/6 to week of 2/27, 67.1% of cases the vaccinated, 65.1% of deaths the vaccinated, and 56.3% of hospitalizations the vaccinated.
The link below is a bombshell! Actually very stunning! Djokovic has it right. No vaccine for one of the greatest tennis players ever! Here is the link.
The link below is a bombshell! Actually very stunning! Djokovic has it right. No vaccine for one of the greatest tennis players ever! Here is the link.
Ever read China's Global Times? Great insight on what China thinks and what news they are feeding their people. Sorta like CNN, except they bash the US and promote themselves while CNN bashes Republicans and promotes democrats.
They are now developing their own mRNA vaccine just going to trials. A few statements they made that caught my eye;
"Despite higher rates of side effects after injections, such as fever or allergic reactions, data showed mRNA vaccines could generate high levels of protection"
Higher rates of side effects???? Sure don't hear that from our CDC. HMMMM
"It is technically easy and takes a shorter period to develop, and it is easy to upgrade based on any emerging variant, Shao said."
Upgrade for emerging variants???? Is that true? If it is, why hasn't there been an "upgrade" in the US????
"Shao noted that the side effects of the vaccines based on mRNA, a pretty new technology that only began to be put into human use on a large scale because of COVID-19, cannot be ignored. Its long-term safety should be further confirmed after closely monitoring adverse events following immunization in humans for years."
For years??
Now it's Chinese propaganda news, but why lie here?
Ever read China's Global Times? Great insight on what China thinks and what news they are feeding their people. Sorta like CNN, except they bash the US and promote themselves while CNN bashes Republicans and promotes democrats.
They are now developing their own mRNA vaccine just going to trials. A few statements they made that caught my eye;
"Despite higher rates of side effects after injections, such as fever or allergic reactions, data showed mRNA vaccines could generate high levels of protection"
Higher rates of side effects???? Sure don't hear that from our CDC. HMMMM
"It is technically easy and takes a shorter period to develop, and it is easy to upgrade based on any emerging variant, Shao said."
Upgrade for emerging variants???? Is that true? If it is, why hasn't there been an "upgrade" in the US????
"Shao noted that the side effects of the vaccines based on mRNA, a pretty new technology that only began to be put into human use on a large scale because of COVID-19, cannot be ignored. Its long-term safety should be further confirmed after closely monitoring adverse events following immunization in humans for years."
For years??
Now it's Chinese propaganda news, but why lie here?
Joe Biden tweeted in early February, unvaccinated are 97times more likely to die!!!
Last three weeks of Minnesota data reported; 2/20/22 to 3/13/22 shows 72.3% of deaths were the fully vaccinated and Minnesota was 68.1% vaxed at the time.
Joe Biden tweeted in early February, unvaccinated are 97times more likely to die!!!
Last three weeks of Minnesota data reported; 2/20/22 to 3/13/22 shows 72.3% of deaths were the fully vaccinated and Minnesota was 68.1% vaxed at the time.
Joe Biden tweeted in early February, unvaccinated are 97 times more likely to die!!!
Biden is correct in quoting from US center for disease control. Recently, Kaiser family foundation reveals at least 234,999 covid deaths between June 2021 and March 2022 could have been prevented by vaccination. These represent 60% of all adult covid deaths since June 2021 when vaccines became widely available in the US. From June to November 2021, almost 690,000 covid hospitalizations costing $13.9 billion could have been prevented by vaccination.
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Joe Biden tweeted in early February, unvaccinated are 97 times more likely to die!!!
Biden is correct in quoting from US center for disease control. Recently, Kaiser family foundation reveals at least 234,999 covid deaths between June 2021 and March 2022 could have been prevented by vaccination. These represent 60% of all adult covid deaths since June 2021 when vaccines became widely available in the US. From June to November 2021, almost 690,000 covid hospitalizations costing $13.9 billion could have been prevented by vaccination.
A 33-year-old male COVID-19 patient on Monday died of sudden cardiac arrest in Shanghai, and he had received two doses of COVID-19 vaccines, Shanghai health commission said on Tuesday.
Except the 33-year-old patient, the rest of the patients had underlying diseases such as cancer, coronary heart disease, Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease, Zhao said, noting that their deaths were caused by underlying diseases.
Shanghai on Monday registered 52 more COVID-19 patient deaths, adding to a total number of 190 amid this around of Omicron outbreak. Among the 52 cases, their average age was 83.1, with the youngest being 33 and the eldest being 100,
The average age of the 190 deaths cases was 82.52, with the cases aged above 70 accounted for 86.32 percent, and 12 of them have received vaccines, according to the authorities.
A 33-year-old male COVID-19 patient on Monday died of sudden cardiac arrest in Shanghai, and he had received two doses of COVID-19 vaccines, Shanghai health commission said on Tuesday.
Except the 33-year-old patient, the rest of the patients had underlying diseases such as cancer, coronary heart disease, Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's disease, Zhao said, noting that their deaths were caused by underlying diseases.
Shanghai on Monday registered 52 more COVID-19 patient deaths, adding to a total number of 190 amid this around of Omicron outbreak. Among the 52 cases, their average age was 83.1, with the youngest being 33 and the eldest being 100,
The average age of the 190 deaths cases was 82.52, with the cases aged above 70 accounted for 86.32 percent, and 12 of them have received vaccines, according to the authorities.
Have not reported Minnesota numbers in last two weeks. Cases way down, good thing!!!
Will report Iceland has erased all their vaccinated vs unvaccinated graphs.
Interesting data from Minnesota. I took three weeks of case data and compared to the next three weeks of deaths to get a death per number of cases. Example; weeks 1,2,3 cases against weeks 4,5,6 deaths. Did this as deaths have been reported to be on average three weeks into infection.
This is what I got starting week of May 2nd. Will list each three weeks as period 1, 2, 3.....
Period
1. 380 to 1
2. 257 to 1
3. 53.4 to 1. * cases dropped off in june/July
4. 40.1. mid July DELTA??
5. 72
6. 83.5
7. 83.5
8. 89.5
9. 62.2. MINN. has booster push going
10. 100.4. This is week of 11/21
11. 120.6
12. 245. Week of 1/2/2022
13. 791.3
14. 662
15. 612.5 week of 2/27
NOTE AFTER THE FIRST OF THIS YEAR THE HUGE NUMBERS OF OMICRON CASES HAD MUCH SMALLER DEATH RATES RESULTING IN MORE CASES FOR EACH DEATH!!!
THE FIRST TWO PERIODS ARE HIGH AND THEN A BIG DROP IN JUNE. ATTRIBUTING THAT TO DELTA VARIANT??
Have not reported Minnesota numbers in last two weeks. Cases way down, good thing!!!
Will report Iceland has erased all their vaccinated vs unvaccinated graphs.
Interesting data from Minnesota. I took three weeks of case data and compared to the next three weeks of deaths to get a death per number of cases. Example; weeks 1,2,3 cases against weeks 4,5,6 deaths. Did this as deaths have been reported to be on average three weeks into infection.
This is what I got starting week of May 2nd. Will list each three weeks as period 1, 2, 3.....
Period
1. 380 to 1
2. 257 to 1
3. 53.4 to 1. * cases dropped off in june/July
4. 40.1. mid July DELTA??
5. 72
6. 83.5
7. 83.5
8. 89.5
9. 62.2. MINN. has booster push going
10. 100.4. This is week of 11/21
11. 120.6
12. 245. Week of 1/2/2022
13. 791.3
14. 662
15. 612.5 week of 2/27
NOTE AFTER THE FIRST OF THIS YEAR THE HUGE NUMBERS OF OMICRON CASES HAD MUCH SMALLER DEATH RATES RESULTING IN MORE CASES FOR EACH DEATH!!!
THE FIRST TWO PERIODS ARE HIGH AND THEN A BIG DROP IN JUNE. ATTRIBUTING THAT TO DELTA VARIANT??
Biden is correct in quoting from US center for disease control. Recently, Kaiser family foundation reveals at least 234,999 covid deaths between June 2021 and March 2022 could have been prevented by vaccination. These represent 60% of all adult covid deaths since June 2021 when vaccines became widely available in the US.
Shattering stat.
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Biden is correct in quoting from US center for disease control. Recently, Kaiser family foundation reveals at least 234,999 covid deaths between June 2021 and March 2022 could have been prevented by vaccination. These represent 60% of all adult covid deaths since June 2021 when vaccines became widely available in the US.
Recently, University of Toronto study found unvaccinated people increase risk of covid infections among vaccinated and unvaccinated people by interacting with them. In contrast, unvaccinated and vaccinated people have lower risk of being infected from interacting with vaccinated people. For an infectious disease, each person's choice to be vaccinated or not can affect people around them. More covid patients mean less hospital capacity for non-covid patients. Increased risk supports covid restrictions for the unvaccinated and undermines anti-vaxers argument that vaccination is best left to the individual. In a pandemic, public health depends on collective effort according to this study published in Canadian medical association journal.
Recently, University of Toronto study found unvaccinated people increase risk of covid infections among vaccinated and unvaccinated people by interacting with them. In contrast, unvaccinated and vaccinated people have lower risk of being infected from interacting with vaccinated people. For an infectious disease, each person's choice to be vaccinated or not can affect people around them. More covid patients mean less hospital capacity for non-covid patients. Increased risk supports covid restrictions for the unvaccinated and undermines anti-vaxers argument that vaccination is best left to the individual. In a pandemic, public health depends on collective effort according to this study published in Canadian medical association journal.
Speaking of shattering stats, Minnesota shows a total of 11,087 fully vaccinated hospitalized since May 2nd, 2021. Equate that to the entire country and it would be 657,640 vaccinated hospitalizations across the country!
That's $13 billion right there!
Too bad the vaccine didn't prevent hospitalizations like Joe said it would back on July 21st.
Speaking of shattering stats, Minnesota shows a total of 11,087 fully vaccinated hospitalized since May 2nd, 2021. Equate that to the entire country and it would be 657,640 vaccinated hospitalizations across the country!
That's $13 billion right there!
Too bad the vaccine didn't prevent hospitalizations like Joe said it would back on July 21st.
Recently, University of Toronto study found unvaccinated people increase risk of covid infections among vaccinated and unvaccinated people by interacting with them. In contrast, unvaccinated and vaccinated people have lower risk of being infected from interacting with vaccinated people. For an infectious disease, each person's choice to be vaccinated or not can affect people around them. More covid patients mean less hospital capacity for non-covid patients. Increased risk supports covid restrictions for the unvaccinated and undermines anti-vaxers argument that vaccination is best left to the individual. In a pandemic, public health depends on collective effort according to this study published in Canadian medical association journal.
A total contradiction to Fauci back on July 31. So your NOW saying Fauci is a liar;
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Recently, University of Toronto study found unvaccinated people increase risk of covid infections among vaccinated and unvaccinated people by interacting with them. In contrast, unvaccinated and vaccinated people have lower risk of being infected from interacting with vaccinated people. For an infectious disease, each person's choice to be vaccinated or not can affect people around them. More covid patients mean less hospital capacity for non-covid patients. Increased risk supports covid restrictions for the unvaccinated and undermines anti-vaxers argument that vaccination is best left to the individual. In a pandemic, public health depends on collective effort according to this study published in Canadian medical association journal.
A total contradiction to Fauci back on July 31. So your NOW saying Fauci is a liar;
Minnesota shows a total of 11,087 fully vaccinated hospitalized since May 2nd, 2021. Equate that to the entire country and it would be 657,640 vaccinated hospitalizations across the country! Too bad the vaccine didn't prevent hospitalizations.
Minnesota health department still says fully vaccinated people are much less likely to be hospitalized than people with the same risk factors who are unvaccinated. Their disclaimer warns data adjustments are needed in order to directly compare vaccinated and unvaccinated because of differences in population. Epidemiologists never look at raw numbers alone when determining causes.
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Minnesota shows a total of 11,087 fully vaccinated hospitalized since May 2nd, 2021. Equate that to the entire country and it would be 657,640 vaccinated hospitalizations across the country! Too bad the vaccine didn't prevent hospitalizations.
Minnesota health department still says fully vaccinated people are much less likely to be hospitalized than people with the same risk factors who are unvaccinated. Their disclaimer warns data adjustments are needed in order to directly compare vaccinated and unvaccinated because of differences in population. Epidemiologists never look at raw numbers alone when determining causes.
I agree, "data adjustments" are needed to sell their inflated garbage.
Yes, the vaccine helps, never argued that. How much overall? There are 11,087 vaccinated hospitalizations since May 2nd per and simple in a population of 5.6 mil. To this country of over 300 million that's over 600,000. FACT.
I say put the data out there! Show us deaths 65 and over, 50-65, 30-50, etc. They will not*. Why? Because it will show 90% are 70 or older and that may discourage the younger from vaccination. Do not acknowledge immunity from infection because that may encourage getting infected. Hold all data tight to your chest and feed them only that which encourages vaccination. Lying is acceptable for the greater good.
ALL TOTALLY WRONG. CREATES A LACK OF TRUST AND INTEGRITY. NO TRANSPARENCY.
Iceland had graphs updated daily showing vaccinated vs unvaccinated. When the lines converged and the vaccinated outpaced the unvaccinated, per 100,000 of each group, the data updates abruptly stopped and are now removed.
* The one shining star is Wisconsin. For awhile last month their data update site was down but up now. The only state they lays out most of the data!
For March the age adjusted death rate is 2.0 per 100,000 for vaxed, 6.4 per 100,000 for unvaxed. 3.2 times greater. Looking back to August it never exceeded 10 times greater. So much for 97 times!!!
I agree, "data adjustments" are needed to sell their inflated garbage.
Yes, the vaccine helps, never argued that. How much overall? There are 11,087 vaccinated hospitalizations since May 2nd per and simple in a population of 5.6 mil. To this country of over 300 million that's over 600,000. FACT.
I say put the data out there! Show us deaths 65 and over, 50-65, 30-50, etc. They will not*. Why? Because it will show 90% are 70 or older and that may discourage the younger from vaccination. Do not acknowledge immunity from infection because that may encourage getting infected. Hold all data tight to your chest and feed them only that which encourages vaccination. Lying is acceptable for the greater good.
ALL TOTALLY WRONG. CREATES A LACK OF TRUST AND INTEGRITY. NO TRANSPARENCY.
Iceland had graphs updated daily showing vaccinated vs unvaccinated. When the lines converged and the vaccinated outpaced the unvaccinated, per 100,000 of each group, the data updates abruptly stopped and are now removed.
* The one shining star is Wisconsin. For awhile last month their data update site was down but up now. The only state they lays out most of the data!
For March the age adjusted death rate is 2.0 per 100,000 for vaxed, 6.4 per 100,000 for unvaxed. 3.2 times greater. Looking back to August it never exceeded 10 times greater. So much for 97 times!!!
Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: Minnesota shows a total of 11,087 fully vaccinated hospitalized since May 2nd, 2021. Equate that to the entire country and it would be 657,640 vaccinated hospitalizations across the country! Too bad the vaccine didn't prevent hospitalizations. Minnesota health department still says fully vaccinated people are much less likely to be hospitalized than people with the same risk factors who are unvaccinated. Their disclaimer warns data adjustments are needed in order to directly compare vaccinated and unvaccinated because of differences in population. Epidemiologists never look at raw numbers alone when determining causes.
But the POTUS said "just get the vax and you won't get covid". Remember?
Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:
Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN: Minnesota shows a total of 11,087 fully vaccinated hospitalized since May 2nd, 2021. Equate that to the entire country and it would be 657,640 vaccinated hospitalizations across the country! Too bad the vaccine didn't prevent hospitalizations. Minnesota health department still says fully vaccinated people are much less likely to be hospitalized than people with the same risk factors who are unvaccinated. Their disclaimer warns data adjustments are needed in order to directly compare vaccinated and unvaccinated because of differences in population. Epidemiologists never look at raw numbers alone when determining causes.
But the POTUS said "just get the vax and you won't get covid". Remember?
US center for disease control discovery is based on data from 24 jurisdictions in December 2021. Number of average weekly covid deaths was 9.2 per 100,000 population for unvaccinated adults. 0.7 per 100,000 fully vaccinated without booster. 0.1 per 100,000 fully vaccinated plus booster. Fact checks by WebMD, Annenberg and USA today confirm unvaccinated are far more likely to die compared to the most vaccinated in the same age groups.
Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:
unvaccinated are 97 times more likely to die!!!
US center for disease control discovery is based on data from 24 jurisdictions in December 2021. Number of average weekly covid deaths was 9.2 per 100,000 population for unvaccinated adults. 0.7 per 100,000 fully vaccinated without booster. 0.1 per 100,000 fully vaccinated plus booster. Fact checks by WebMD, Annenberg and USA today confirm unvaccinated are far more likely to die compared to the most vaccinated in the same age groups.
Dr. Birx says she was paralyzed during Trump's rant regarding injecting bleach.
Nice try Doc; not buying it or the book you are trying to sell. The country needed a voice of reason during one of our most trying times & your failed bigly.
You're just another gutless coward.
Dr. Birx says she was paralyzed during Trump's rant regarding injecting bleach.
Nice try Doc; not buying it or the book you are trying to sell. The country needed a voice of reason during one of our most trying times & your failed bigly.
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