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    sundance
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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2021 - 9:41 AM ET #2776

    The following statistical information from Iceland is the reason vaccinations will not lead us out of danger. Iceland has a 90% vaccination rate. 75% of new cases are vaccinated! The 'shot' does not work!

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    The following statistical information from Iceland is the reason vaccinations will not lead us out of danger. Iceland has a 90% vaccination rate. 75% of new cases are vaccinated! The 'shot' does not work!

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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2021 - 11:02 AM ET #2777

    The CDC eliminates the PCR testing procedures. The PCR testing design  was to create false positives to pump the covid numbers and to 'scare' people into the experimental vaccine. How many lives were ruined?

    CDC withdraws fraudulent PCR testing protocol that was used to falsify covid “positives” to push the plandemic – NaturalNews.com

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    The CDC eliminates the PCR testing procedures. The PCR testing design  was to create false positives to pump the covid numbers and to 'scare' people into the experimental vaccine. How many lives were ruined?

    CDC withdraws fraudulent PCR testing protocol that was used to falsify covid “positives” to push the plandemic – NaturalNews.com

     
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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2021 - 11:23 AM ET #2778

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    The following statistical information from Iceland is the reason vaccinations will not lead us out of danger. Iceland has a 90% vaccination rate. 75% of new cases are vaccinated! The 'shot' does not work! zNcx7o07.jpeg (1170×2103) (patriots.win)

     

    FRAUD website:

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    The following statistical information from Iceland is the reason vaccinations will not lead us out of danger. Iceland has a 90% vaccination rate. 75% of new cases are vaccinated! The 'shot' does not work! zNcx7o07.jpeg (1170×2103) (patriots.win)

     

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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2021 - 1:16 PM ET #2779

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: The following statistical information from Iceland is the reason vaccinations will not lead us out of danger. Iceland has a 90% vaccination rate. 75% of new cases are vaccinated! The 'shot' does not work! zNcx7o07.jpeg (1170×2103) (patriots.win)   FRAUD website:     (patriots.win)

    You can call it a fraud website if you wish but if you click on it they show links. Follow the links. 

    https://www.covid.is/data

    Find the chart "Number of vaccinated individuals among domestic infections"

    It is about 75% of infections are the vaccinated. 

    I do dispute that Iceland has a 90% vax rate. Maybe adults only. Overall it's about 71% that I see. 

    Would not say vaccine doesn't work. To prevent an infection, yes, but it has shown to greatly lessen the severity of an infection.

    Now, if only our Adminsitration could be straight forward and stop bullshiting people.

    Rueter reports; https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/vaccinated-people-singapore-make-up-three-quarters-recent-covid-19-cases-2021-07-23/

    Rueters is counting those with one jab as part of that 75% which I find wrong. 

    "Of Singapore's 1,096 locally transmitted infections in the last 28 days, 484, or about 44%, were in fully vaccinated people, while 30% were partially vaccinated and just over 25% were unvaccinated, Thursday's data showed."

    Really 44%. 

    Singapore is 53% fully vaxed, so 44% of infections vaxed is pretty high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: The following statistical information from Iceland is the reason vaccinations will not lead us out of danger. Iceland has a 90% vaccination rate. 75% of new cases are vaccinated! The 'shot' does not work! zNcx7o07.jpeg (1170×2103) (patriots.win)   FRAUD website:     (patriots.win)

    You can call it a fraud website if you wish but if you click on it they show links. Follow the links. 

    https://www.covid.is/data

    Find the chart "Number of vaccinated individuals among domestic infections"

    It is about 75% of infections are the vaccinated. 

    I do dispute that Iceland has a 90% vax rate. Maybe adults only. Overall it's about 71% that I see. 

    Would not say vaccine doesn't work. To prevent an infection, yes, but it has shown to greatly lessen the severity of an infection.

    Now, if only our Adminsitration could be straight forward and stop bullshiting people.

    Rueter reports; https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/vaccinated-people-singapore-make-up-three-quarters-recent-covid-19-cases-2021-07-23/

    Rueters is counting those with one jab as part of that 75% which I find wrong. 

    "Of Singapore's 1,096 locally transmitted infections in the last 28 days, 484, or about 44%, were in fully vaccinated people, while 30% were partially vaccinated and just over 25% were unvaccinated, Thursday's data showed."

    Really 44%. 

    Singapore is 53% fully vaxed, so 44% of infections vaxed is pretty high.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2021 - 1:30 PM ET #2780

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: The following statistical information from Iceland is the reason vaccinations will not lead us out of danger. Iceland has a 90% vaccination rate. 75% of new cases are vaccinated! The 'shot' does not work! zNcx7o07.jpeg (1170×2103) (patriots.win)   FRAUD website:     (patriots.win)

    Alabama doctor tells unvaccinated COVID patients begging for vaccine: ‘It’s too late’

    “I’m admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious COVID infections. One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late,” --Dr. Brytney Cobia

    https://www.wsls.com/news/2021/07/25/alabama-doctor-tells-unvaccinated-covid-patients-begging-for-vaccine-its-too-late/

    Another similar story here,

    Unvaccinated ICU Covid-19 patients are asking for vaccination which is too late, according to a Florida nurse*. 

    *https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-covid-19-patients-begging-vaccinated-nurse-says-2021-7

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance: The following statistical information from Iceland is the reason vaccinations will not lead us out of danger. Iceland has a 90% vaccination rate. 75% of new cases are vaccinated! The 'shot' does not work! zNcx7o07.jpeg (1170×2103) (patriots.win)   FRAUD website:     (patriots.win)

    Alabama doctor tells unvaccinated COVID patients begging for vaccine: ‘It’s too late’

    “I’m admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious COVID infections. One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late,” --Dr. Brytney Cobia

    https://www.wsls.com/news/2021/07/25/alabama-doctor-tells-unvaccinated-covid-patients-begging-for-vaccine-its-too-late/

    Another similar story here,

    Unvaccinated ICU Covid-19 patients are asking for vaccination which is too late, according to a Florida nurse*. 

    *https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-covid-19-patients-begging-vaccinated-nurse-says-2021-7

     
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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2021 - 1:31 PM ET #2781

    Another bothersome piece of info from Iceland;

    https://www.icelandreview.com/society/covid-19-spreads-at-record-rate-in-iceland/

    “Most of the cases are linked to nightclubs in Reykjavík, in Bankastræti, and also to a group that came from London,” Þórólfur stated. “There are also many different variants, which tells us that there are many people that have crossed the borders that have brought an infection with them. There is considerable leakage of infection at the border into the community.”

    The fact there are many different variants rather than just the dominate Delta Variant and they are having a lot of vaxed infections says not only the Delta breaks through!!!! 

    Concerning to say the least!!

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    Another bothersome piece of info from Iceland;

    https://www.icelandreview.com/society/covid-19-spreads-at-record-rate-in-iceland/

    “Most of the cases are linked to nightclubs in Reykjavík, in Bankastræti, and also to a group that came from London,” Þórólfur stated. “There are also many different variants, which tells us that there are many people that have crossed the borders that have brought an infection with them. There is considerable leakage of infection at the border into the community.”

    The fact there are many different variants rather than just the dominate Delta Variant and they are having a lot of vaxed infections says not only the Delta breaks through!!!! 

    Concerning to say the least!!

     
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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2021 - 3:38 PM ET #2782

    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    The following statistical information from Iceland is the reason vaccinations will not lead us out of danger. Iceland has a 90% vaccination rate. 75% of new cases are vaccinated! The 'shot' does not work!

    Not all covid cases deserve the same degree of concern.  Unvaccinated people are still at higher risk of infection, hospitalization and death.  Breakthrough infections among the vaccinated don't prove vaccines don't work.  As expected, the greater the share of population vaccinated, the bigger the share of covid cases.  So if population is 100% vaccinated, 100% of cases should come from the vaccinated.

    Actually, infection rate is lower for fully vaccinated people who are also far less likely to suffer serious illness.  After achieving herd immunity via vaccination, number of infections, hospitalizations and deaths are lower now than months ago.   Iceland is one of the first nations to lift most covid restrictions.  Life has pretty much returned to normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sundance:

    The following statistical information from Iceland is the reason vaccinations will not lead us out of danger. Iceland has a 90% vaccination rate. 75% of new cases are vaccinated! The 'shot' does not work!

    Not all covid cases deserve the same degree of concern.  Unvaccinated people are still at higher risk of infection, hospitalization and death.  Breakthrough infections among the vaccinated don't prove vaccines don't work.  As expected, the greater the share of population vaccinated, the bigger the share of covid cases.  So if population is 100% vaccinated, 100% of cases should come from the vaccinated.

    Actually, infection rate is lower for fully vaccinated people who are also far less likely to suffer serious illness.  After achieving herd immunity via vaccination, number of infections, hospitalizations and deaths are lower now than months ago.   Iceland is one of the first nations to lift most covid restrictions.  Life has pretty much returned to normal.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2021 - 7:57 PM ET #2783

    [Quote: Originally Posted by sundance]The CDC eliminates the PCR testing procedures. The PCR testing design  was to create false positives to pump the covid numbers and to 'scare' people into the experimental vaccine. [Quote]

    Health feedback says withdrawal for CDC covi d PCR test is due to the development of new tests that help save time and resources. Not because the test is faulty.  Those who oppose public health measures seek to discredit tests in order to cast doubt on severity of the pandemic.

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by sundance]The CDC eliminates the PCR testing procedures. The PCR testing design  was to create false positives to pump the covid numbers and to 'scare' people into the experimental vaccine. [Quote]

    Health feedback says withdrawal for CDC covi d PCR test is due to the development of new tests that help save time and resources. Not because the test is faulty.  Those who oppose public health measures seek to discredit tests in order to cast doubt on severity of the pandemic.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2021 - 10:25 PM ET #2784

    The link below will show you how your state ranks with the vaccination.

     

    States ranked by percentage of population fully vaccinated: July 26 (beckershospitalreview.com)

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    The link below will show you how your state ranks with the vaccination.

     

    States ranked by percentage of population fully vaccinated: July 26 (beckershospitalreview.com)

     
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    Posted: Jul. 26, 2021 - 11:37 PM ET #2785

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    “I’m admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious COVID infections. One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late,” --Dr. Brytney Cobia

    https://www.wsls.com/news/2021/07/25/alabama-doctor-tells-unvaccinated-covid-patients-begging-for-vaccine-its-too-late/

     

    Another similar story here,

    Unvaccinated ICU Covid-19 patients are asking for vaccination which is too late, according to a Florida nurse*. 

    *https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-covid-19-patients-begging-vaccinated-nurse-says-2021-7

    This is heartbreaking to anyone with a heart and a soul (ie, those who are NOT trump worshippers)

    Personally, I don't want anyone to die, not even those ignorant ones who made a series of bad choices that put them in a dire situation.  I wish the trump-vaccine was an actual fast-acting ONE HOUR CURE to eliminate all covid from the body - but it isn't - nor was it ever expected to be. Once the covid has invaded the upper respiratory tract and taken hold the situation is bleak.  Even among those who ultimately survive - including younger people and including those otherwise in previous good health - many are still reporting long-term negative effects from their bout with covid....some unable to return to work because of it.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    “I’m admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious COVID infections. One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late,” --Dr. Brytney Cobia

    https://www.wsls.com/news/2021/07/25/alabama-doctor-tells-unvaccinated-covid-patients-begging-for-vaccine-its-too-late/

     

    Another similar story here,

    Unvaccinated ICU Covid-19 patients are asking for vaccination which is too late, according to a Florida nurse*. 

    *https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-covid-19-patients-begging-vaccinated-nurse-says-2021-7

    This is heartbreaking to anyone with a heart and a soul (ie, those who are NOT trump worshippers)

    Personally, I don't want anyone to die, not even those ignorant ones who made a series of bad choices that put them in a dire situation.  I wish the trump-vaccine was an actual fast-acting ONE HOUR CURE to eliminate all covid from the body - but it isn't - nor was it ever expected to be. Once the covid has invaded the upper respiratory tract and taken hold the situation is bleak.  Even among those who ultimately survive - including younger people and including those otherwise in previous good health - many are still reporting long-term negative effects from their bout with covid....some unable to return to work because of it.

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 27, 2021 - 1:16 AM ET #2786

    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: “I’m admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious COVID infections. One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late,” --Dr. Brytney Cobia https://www.wsls.com/news/2021/07/25/alabama-doctor-tells-unvaccinated-covid-patients-begging-for-vaccine-its-too-late/   Another similar story here, Unvaccinated ICU Covid-19 patients are asking for vaccination which is too late, according to a Florida nurse*.  *https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-covid-19-patients-begging-vaccinated-nurse-says-2021-7 This is heartbreaking to anyone with a heart and a soul (ie, those who are NOT trump worshippers) Personally, I don't want anyone to die, not even those ignorant ones who made a series of bad choices that put them in a dire situation.  I wish the trump-vaccine was an actual fast-acting ONE HOUR CURE to eliminate all covid from the body - but it isn't - nor was it ever expected to be. Once the covid has invaded the upper respiratory tract and taken hold the situation is bleak.  Even among those who ultimately survive - including younger people and including those otherwise in previous good health - many are still reporting long-term negative effects from their bout with covid....some unable to return to work because of it.

    Yes, Donald J Trump took the Covid-19 vaccine himself back in January, so did his family. The Covid vaccines work and are very effective and safe, vaccines do save many human lives. For goodness' sake, people need to get rid of silly ideology and politics, and stick with the science.

    Ideology can't bully Covid, it just won't work.   

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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa: “I’m admitting young healthy people to the hospital with very serious COVID infections. One of the last things they do before they’re intubated is beg me for the vaccine. I hold their hand and tell them that I’m sorry, but it’s too late,” --Dr. Brytney Cobia https://www.wsls.com/news/2021/07/25/alabama-doctor-tells-unvaccinated-covid-patients-begging-for-vaccine-its-too-late/   Another similar story here, Unvaccinated ICU Covid-19 patients are asking for vaccination which is too late, according to a Florida nurse*.  *https://www.businessinsider.com/florida-covid-19-patients-begging-vaccinated-nurse-says-2021-7 This is heartbreaking to anyone with a heart and a soul (ie, those who are NOT trump worshippers) Personally, I don't want anyone to die, not even those ignorant ones who made a series of bad choices that put them in a dire situation.  I wish the trump-vaccine was an actual fast-acting ONE HOUR CURE to eliminate all covid from the body - but it isn't - nor was it ever expected to be. Once the covid has invaded the upper respiratory tract and taken hold the situation is bleak.  Even among those who ultimately survive - including younger people and including those otherwise in previous good health - many are still reporting long-term negative effects from their bout with covid....some unable to return to work because of it.

    Yes, Donald J Trump took the Covid-19 vaccine himself back in January, so did his family. The Covid vaccines work and are very effective and safe, vaccines do save many human lives. For goodness' sake, people need to get rid of silly ideology and politics, and stick with the science.

    Ideology can't bully Covid, it just won't work.   

     
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    Department of veterans affairs is the first federal agency to require mandatory vaccination of healthcare workers.  It's the best way to keep veterans safe.  No federal law prevents employers from requiring vaccination of employees.  Many hospitals require vaccination to protect patients and staff.  In addition, other supporters include American academy of nursing, American public health association, American pharmacist association, Leading Age nursing homes group, National medical association and American medical association. 

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    Department of veterans affairs is the first federal agency to require mandatory vaccination of healthcare workers.  It's the best way to keep veterans safe.  No federal law prevents employers from requiring vaccination of employees.  Many hospitals require vaccination to protect patients and staff.  In addition, other supporters include American academy of nursing, American public health association, American pharmacist association, Leading Age nursing homes group, National medical association and American medical association. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Department of veterans affairs is the first federal agency to require mandatory vaccination of healthcare workers.  It's the best way to keep veterans safe.  No federal law prevents employers from requiring vaccination of employees.  Many hospitals require vaccination to protect patients and staff.  In addition, other supporters include American academy of nursing, American public health association, American pharmacist association, Leading Age nursing homes group, National medical association and American medical association.

     

    Good news!   Support our VETS!   thumbs_up

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Department of veterans affairs is the first federal agency to require mandatory vaccination of healthcare workers.  It's the best way to keep veterans safe.  No federal law prevents employers from requiring vaccination of employees.  Many hospitals require vaccination to protect patients and staff.  In addition, other supporters include American academy of nursing, American public health association, American pharmacist association, Leading Age nursing homes group, National medical association and American medical association.

     

    Good news!   Support our VETS!   thumbs_up

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Department of veterans affairs is the first federal agency to require mandatory vaccination of healthcare workers.  It's the best way to keep veterans safe.  No federal law prevents employers from requiring vaccination of employees.  Many hospitals require vaccination to protect patients and staff.  In addition, other supporters include American academy of nursing, American public health association, American pharmacist association, Leading Age nursing homes group, National medical association and American medical association.

     

    Doesn't prevent from requiring YES....BUT, the employee can choose not to based on one of the following protections... 

     ADA . 

     Title VII of Civil Rights Act '64 

    Employers must act in "reasonable accommodation" to employee. 

    Time is a flat circle....
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Department of veterans affairs is the first federal agency to require mandatory vaccination of healthcare workers.  It's the best way to keep veterans safe.  No federal law prevents employers from requiring vaccination of employees.  Many hospitals require vaccination to protect patients and staff.  In addition, other supporters include American academy of nursing, American public health association, American pharmacist association, Leading Age nursing homes group, National medical association and American medical association.

     

    Doesn't prevent from requiring YES....BUT, the employee can choose not to based on one of the following protections... 

     ADA . 

     Title VII of Civil Rights Act '64 

    Employers must act in "reasonable accommodation" to employee. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Yes, Donald J Trump took the Covid-19 vaccine himself back in January,
    so did his family.
    The Covid vaccines work and are very effective and safe;
    vaccines do save many human lives. For goodness' sake,
    people need to get rid of silly ideology and politics, and stick with the science.

    Ideology can't bully Covid, it just won't work.

     

    Well said, Europa  peace_5

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

    Yes, Donald J Trump took the Covid-19 vaccine himself back in January,
    so did his family.
    The Covid vaccines work and are very effective and safe;
    vaccines do save many human lives. For goodness' sake,
    people need to get rid of silly ideology and politics, and stick with the science.

    Ideology can't bully Covid, it just won't work.

     

    Well said, Europa  peace_5

     

     

     
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    Do the vaccinated regulars of this forum have their diaper on under the scientific guidance of mr. joe biden? Let me help you out. How about going outside and get some sunshine and exercise!

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    Do the vaccinated regulars of this forum have their diaper on under the scientific guidance of mr. joe biden? Let me help you out. How about going outside and get some sunshine and exercise!

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    USC Surgical Residents have put their education on hold so they can be taught how to draw blood and learn ICU methods/procedures in local hospitals. 69 NYU medical students will graduate 3 months early and immediately work in the Internal Medicine & Emergency Medicine departments in NYC. UK's Boris Johnson requested 250k volunteers to assist during the crisis. Almost 500k volunteered. Governors are bidding against each other, FEMA and other countries when searching for medical supplies. They have asked repeatedly fot the Trump administration to develop a National Supply chain to alleviate this problem.  The Governor of Oregon is the latest to receive expired medical supplies from the federal government. The Governor of Michigan received supplies that supported the biggest hospital in Detroit for one shift at the hospital. Connecticut's largest hospital has enough tests for 3 days and were warned their next medical shipment will ot arrive as scheduled. 28 Governors have closed not essential businesses.  22 other Governors have chosen not to close non essential businesses. Social distancing seems to be working in certain areas of the country. Louisiana has the most new cases in the country. Neighbor Alabama is experiencing a shortage of medical supplies while their cases rise. Mississippi which border these two states recently had their Governor rescind the order of local Mayors and towns to close non essential businesses. Mississippi is open for business and owners are ordering employees to return to work. Mississippi reported 108 new cases today. Unemployment claims for last week rose to 3.3 million. Next week most probably will be worse. People needing a ventilator have a 50/50 chance of recovering. Those who can't get a ventilator have a 0 chance of recovery. People in NYC have died on gurneys waiting for a ventilator.  Connecticut's Senator Blumenthal has to go in November. Governors and Mayors will decide when to open their states/cities for regular business again. This decision is not up to Trump or the federal government.




    looking back now in hindsight.....

    How we doin?     in yr opinion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight1:

    USC Surgical Residents have put their education on hold so they can be taught how to draw blood and learn ICU methods/procedures in local hospitals. 69 NYU medical students will graduate 3 months early and immediately work in the Internal Medicine & Emergency Medicine departments in NYC. UK's Boris Johnson requested 250k volunteers to assist during the crisis. Almost 500k volunteered. Governors are bidding against each other, FEMA and other countries when searching for medical supplies. They have asked repeatedly fot the Trump administration to develop a National Supply chain to alleviate this problem.  The Governor of Oregon is the latest to receive expired medical supplies from the federal government. The Governor of Michigan received supplies that supported the biggest hospital in Detroit for one shift at the hospital. Connecticut's largest hospital has enough tests for 3 days and were warned their next medical shipment will ot arrive as scheduled. 28 Governors have closed not essential businesses.  22 other Governors have chosen not to close non essential businesses. Social distancing seems to be working in certain areas of the country. Louisiana has the most new cases in the country. Neighbor Alabama is experiencing a shortage of medical supplies while their cases rise. Mississippi which border these two states recently had their Governor rescind the order of local Mayors and towns to close non essential businesses. Mississippi is open for business and owners are ordering employees to return to work. Mississippi reported 108 new cases today. Unemployment claims for last week rose to 3.3 million. Next week most probably will be worse. People needing a ventilator have a 50/50 chance of recovering. Those who can't get a ventilator have a 0 chance of recovery. People in NYC have died on gurneys waiting for a ventilator.  Connecticut's Senator Blumenthal has to go in November. Governors and Mayors will decide when to open their states/cities for regular business again. This decision is not up to Trump or the federal government.




    looking back now in hindsight.....

    How we doin?     in yr opinion?

     
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    Posted: Jul. 29, 2021 - 10:26 AM ET #2793

    Growing number of companies are requiring vaccination of employees.  Google, facebook, Netflix, Blackrock, Morgan Stanley, Saks, Washington post, Ascension health, Lyft and Twitter.  As commander in chief, Biden should mandate vaccination in military where most people are already vaccinated. 

    Bottom line.  Compelling vaccination is not about taking away rights, but about obligation to themselves and others to avoid death or hospitalization from a deadly disease.

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    Growing number of companies are requiring vaccination of employees.  Google, facebook, Netflix, Blackrock, Morgan Stanley, Saks, Washington post, Ascension health, Lyft and Twitter.  As commander in chief, Biden should mandate vaccination in military where most people are already vaccinated. 

    Bottom line.  Compelling vaccination is not about taking away rights, but about obligation to themselves and others to avoid death or hospitalization from a deadly disease.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Growing number of companies are requiring vaccination of employees.  Google, facebook, Netflix, Blackrock, Morgan Stanley, Saks, Washington post, Ascension health, Lyft and Twitter.  As commander in chief, Biden should mandate vaccination in military where most people are already vaccinated.  Bottom line.  Compelling vaccination is not about taking away rights, but about obligation to themselves and others to avoid death or hospitalization from a deadly disease.

    More will follow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Growing number of companies are requiring vaccination of employees.  Google, facebook, Netflix, Blackrock, Morgan Stanley, Saks, Washington post, Ascension health, Lyft and Twitter.  As commander in chief, Biden should mandate vaccination in military where most people are already vaccinated.  Bottom line.  Compelling vaccination is not about taking away rights, but about obligation to themselves and others to avoid death or hospitalization from a deadly disease.

    More will follow.

     
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    Biden- "if you get the vaccine, then you're good, you won't get covid".

    Lets see how this plays out.

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    Biden- "if you get the vaccine, then you're good, you won't get covid".

    Lets see how this plays out.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 29, 2021 - 11:01 AM ET #2796

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

     

    Yes, Donald J Trump took the Covid-19 vaccine himself back in January, so did his family.

     

     

    Rather odd that they all got the trump-vaccine secretly and forbid anyone from disclosing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

     

    Yes, Donald J Trump took the Covid-19 vaccine himself back in January, so did his family.

     

     

    Rather odd that they all got the trump-vaccine secretly and forbid anyone from disclosing that.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

    Biden- "if you get the vaccine, then you're good, you won't get covid".

    Biden is right. Unvaccinated people is the problem. Not the vaccinated.  Vast majority of virus transmissions come from unvaccinated people. 99% of covid deaths and hospitalizations occur in unvaccinated population.  Vaccinated people are  far less likely to be infected.  They are 20 times more protected than the unvaccinated from becoming severely ill.  7 times more protected against mild symptoms.  Mask mandates are necessary for everyone because of the unvaccinated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90:

    Biden- "if you get the vaccine, then you're good, you won't get covid".

    Biden is right. Unvaccinated people is the problem. Not the vaccinated.  Vast majority of virus transmissions come from unvaccinated people. 99% of covid deaths and hospitalizations occur in unvaccinated population.  Vaccinated people are  far less likely to be infected.  They are 20 times more protected than the unvaccinated from becoming severely ill.  7 times more protected against mild symptoms.  Mask mandates are necessary for everyone because of the unvaccinated.

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

     

     

    Yes, Donald J Trump took the Covid-19 vaccine himself back in January, so did his family.

     

     

     

     

    Rather odd that they all got the trump-vaccine secretly and forbid anyone from disclosing that.

     

    and yet they wont publicly endorse the rump vaccines

    i believe it is only bcuz the dems r in favor of the rump-vaccines

    and they simply will oppose everything the dems support EVEN WHEN ITS THE VACCINES that rump demands to be credited for!!!    an_roll_laugh

     

    "I'm the MOST HONEST human being that GOD EVER created!" - Donald "the felon" Trump
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubah2:

     

    Quote Originally Posted by Europa:

     

     

    Yes, Donald J Trump took the Covid-19 vaccine himself back in January, so did his family.

     

     

     

     

    Rather odd that they all got the trump-vaccine secretly and forbid anyone from disclosing that.

     

    and yet they wont publicly endorse the rump vaccines

    i believe it is only bcuz the dems r in favor of the rump-vaccines

    and they simply will oppose everything the dems support EVEN WHEN ITS THE VACCINES that rump demands to be credited for!!!    an_roll_laugh

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: Biden- "if you get the vaccine, then you're good, you won't get covid". Biden is right. Unvaccinated people is the problem. Not the vaccinated.  Vast majority of virus transmissions come from unvaccinated people. 99% of covid deaths and hospitalizations occur in unvaccinated population. 

    This is true.

     

    Show proof of this statement....

    Vaccinated people are  far less likely to be infected.  They are 20 times more protected than the unvaccinated from becoming severely ill.  7 times more protected against mild symptoms.  Mask mandates are necessary for everyone because of the unvaccinated.

     

    This is what I could find...

     

    • All COVID-19 vaccines currently authorized in the United States are effective against COVID-19, including serious outcomes of severe disease, hospitalization, and death.
    • Available evidence suggests the currently authorized mRNA COVID-19 vaccines (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) are highly effective against hospitalization and death for a variety of strains, including Alpha (B.1.1.7), Beta (B.1.351), Gamma (P.1), and Delta (B.1.617.2); data suggest lower effectiveness against confirmed infection and symptomatic disease caused by the Beta, Gamma, and Delta variants compared with the ancestral strain and Alpha variant. Ongoing monitoring of vaccine effectiveness against variants is needed.
    • A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna) are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2 or to transmit it to others. However, the risk for SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infection in fully vaccinated people cannot be completely eliminated as long as there is continued community transmission of the virus.

     

    A "growing body of evidence" does not give specific numbers or specif proof, yet. Vaccines helps protect those who are the most at risk against the virus from sever side effects (this group more than likely makes up a large percentage of that 99% hospitalizations IMO). Those who are at more risk should highly consider the vaccine for the short term gains while those who are not in the high at risk category are probably considering the long term effects (that have not been studied) with and without the vaccine. Giving the public mixed information and signals needs to be fixed in order to get everyone on the same page. Mixed information is not helping the cause.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by BigGame90: Biden- "if you get the vaccine, then you're good, you won't get covid". Biden is right. Unvaccinated people is the problem. Not the vaccinated.  Vast majority of virus transmissions come from unvaccinated people. 99% of covid deaths and hospitalizations occur in unvaccinated population. 

    This is true.

     

    Show proof of this statement....

    Vaccinated people are  far less likely to be infected.  They are 20 times more protected than the unvaccinated from becoming severely ill.  7 times more protected against mild symptoms.  Mask mandates are necessary for everyone because of the unvaccinated.

     

    This is what I could find...

     

    • All COVID-19 vaccines currently authorized in the United States are effective against COVID-19, including serious outcomes of severe disease, hospitalization, and death.
    • Available evidence suggests the currently authorized mRNA COVID-19 vaccines (Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna) are highly effective against hospitalization and death for a variety of strains, including Alpha (B.1.1.7), Beta (B.1.351), Gamma (P.1), and Delta (B.1.617.2); data suggest lower effectiveness against confirmed infection and symptomatic disease caused by the Beta, Gamma, and Delta variants compared with the ancestral strain and Alpha variant. Ongoing monitoring of vaccine effectiveness against variants is needed.
    • A growing body of evidence indicates that people fully vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna) are less likely than unvaccinated persons to acquire SARS-CoV-2 or to transmit it to others. However, the risk for SARS-CoV-2 breakthrough infection in fully vaccinated people cannot be completely eliminated as long as there is continued community transmission of the virus.

     

    A "growing body of evidence" does not give specific numbers or specif proof, yet. Vaccines helps protect those who are the most at risk against the virus from sever side effects (this group more than likely makes up a large percentage of that 99% hospitalizations IMO). Those who are at more risk should highly consider the vaccine for the short term gains while those who are not in the high at risk category are probably considering the long term effects (that have not been studied) with and without the vaccine. Giving the public mixed information and signals needs to be fixed in order to get everyone on the same page. Mixed information is not helping the cause.

     

     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Biden is right. Unvaccinated people is the problem. Not the vaccinated.  Vast majority of virus transmissions come from unvaccinated people. 99% of covid deaths and hospitalizations occur in unvaccinated population.  Vaccinated people are  far less likely to be infected.  They are 20 times more protected than the unvaccinated from becoming severely ill.  7 times more protected against mild symptoms.  Mask mandates are necessary for everyone because of the unvaccinated.

    Simple fact.

    But this DELTA variant is a curve ball on the outside corner for sure.

    The trump vaccines were designed to counter the original strain of the virus.  They can't possibly know how a virus will mutate when manufacturing those vaccines.

    We also know, that if covid-original flavor or the DELTA variant  (or any other variant) is allowed to spread unchecked as a result of failing to achieve herd immunity (via early vaccinations) then those viruses and their more soon-to-mutate offspring will at some point become immune to the current trump-vaccines and we are back at GROUND ZERO once again.  The Biden admin sees this well and is making every reasonable effort to get people vaccinated but it has since stalled bigly -- largely because of those REFUSING the trump-vaccine.   There's no mixed messaging there.  They've been saying for several months to get the trump-vaccine and bent over backwards to make it easier.

    The mixed messaging about getting the trump-vaccine is coming SOLELY from rightwing media...

     

     

     

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Biden is right. Unvaccinated people is the problem. Not the vaccinated.  Vast majority of virus transmissions come from unvaccinated people. 99% of covid deaths and hospitalizations occur in unvaccinated population.  Vaccinated people are  far less likely to be infected.  They are 20 times more protected than the unvaccinated from becoming severely ill.  7 times more protected against mild symptoms.  Mask mandates are necessary for everyone because of the unvaccinated.

    Simple fact.

    But this DELTA variant is a curve ball on the outside corner for sure.

    The trump vaccines were designed to counter the original strain of the virus.  They can't possibly know how a virus will mutate when manufacturing those vaccines.

    We also know, that if covid-original flavor or the DELTA variant  (or any other variant) is allowed to spread unchecked as a result of failing to achieve herd immunity (via early vaccinations) then those viruses and their more soon-to-mutate offspring will at some point become immune to the current trump-vaccines and we are back at GROUND ZERO once again.  The Biden admin sees this well and is making every reasonable effort to get people vaccinated but it has since stalled bigly -- largely because of those REFUSING the trump-vaccine.   There's no mixed messaging there.  They've been saying for several months to get the trump-vaccine and bent over backwards to make it easier.

    The mixed messaging about getting the trump-vaccine is coming SOLELY from rightwing media...

     

     

     

     

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