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    covers poll... on a scale of 0-100, how "fixed" was 9-11?

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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 3:06 AM ET #1

    i'd say 25 out of 100. putting that into words, i'd say its more likely our governement is speaking the truth that they really had no idea 911 was going to happen.
     
    however, considering the size of our military - industrial complex, and the amount that some people profit off of war... its not beyond comprehension that the combined forces wanting WAR, integrated, could result in a leaving our guard down purposefully.
     
    I mean take it for what it is - these people are WAR profiteers who live off people dying. On its face, I wouldn't be surprised if sacrificing lives on our own side would serve as the means to the end.
     
    Its happened before in history (see the Reichstag and other unused plans to propel us into war with Cuba). I'm just saying some people out there are so evil in their methods, its not impossible. God, I hope I'm not right about that.
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    i'd say 25 out of 100. putting that into words, i'd say its more likely our governement is speaking the truth that they really had no idea 911 was going to happen.
     
    however, considering the size of our military - industrial complex, and the amount that some people profit off of war... its not beyond comprehension that the combined forces wanting WAR, integrated, could result in a leaving our guard down purposefully.
     
    I mean take it for what it is - these people are WAR profiteers who live off people dying. On its face, I wouldn't be surprised if sacrificing lives on our own side would serve as the means to the end.
     
    Its happened before in history (see the Reichstag and other unused plans to propel us into war with Cuba). I'm just saying some people out there are so evil in their methods, its not impossible. God, I hope I'm not right about that.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 4:05 AM ET #2

    i'd say its more likely our governement is speaking the truth that they really had no idea 911 was going to happen.
     
    Completely disagree here.
     
    It was a solid "100" they knew something was coming.
     
    Maybe not all the details about when, where, and the actual targets, but they knew.
     
    And when it did play out, it fit nicely into their overall plans. If you study the video of Bush in that classroom after he was notified of the first attack, you can see the wheels turning in that little shithead's skull.
     
    10 minutes after Bushco was sworn into office, they were thinking of ways to get Iraq.  This was the all the opening they needed.
     
    Historians will lay bare the absolute corruption of this regime on this issue.
     
    The blood of thousands of American soldiers is on the soul of that bastard......he will rot in hell for this.
     
     
     
     
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    i'd say its more likely our governement is speaking the truth that they really had no idea 911 was going to happen.
     
    Completely disagree here.
     
    It was a solid "100" they knew something was coming.
     
    Maybe not all the details about when, where, and the actual targets, but they knew.
     
    And when it did play out, it fit nicely into their overall plans. If you study the video of Bush in that classroom after he was notified of the first attack, you can see the wheels turning in that little shithead's skull.
     
    10 minutes after Bushco was sworn into office, they were thinking of ways to get Iraq.  This was the all the opening they needed.
     
    Historians will lay bare the absolute corruption of this regime on this issue.
     
    The blood of thousands of American soldiers is on the soul of that bastard......he will rot in hell for this.
     
     
     
     
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 5:10 AM ET #3

    I hope this is not a serious question? Anyone who could believe that the US the government would kill 3,000 of it's civilians as a pretext to go to war is in need of some major psychiatric help. I'm sorry to have to be so blunt but even most left wing crazies think this is not a legitimate question. Chomsky almost pissed in his pants laughing when a reported asked him if he thought 911 was some kind of conspiracy. And they don't come more leftist then him.
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    I hope this is not a serious question? Anyone who could believe that the US the government would kill 3,000 of it's civilians as a pretext to go to war is in need of some major psychiatric help. I'm sorry to have to be so blunt but even most left wing crazies think this is not a legitimate question. Chomsky almost pissed in his pants laughing when a reported asked him if he thought 911 was some kind of conspiracy. And they don't come more leftist then him.
     
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    We know only what they want us to know. 
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    We know only what they want us to know. 
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 12:41 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by kujayhwk:

     
     
     
    It was a solid "100" they knew something was coming.
     
     
     
     

     

    I agree with KU, we knew something was coming....

    The following attacks / planned attacks took place from January 1993-January 2001 ( under the Clinton watch )

    Jan 25, 1993 ....treated as a criminal event, Bill Clinton did nothing

    Feb 26, 1993.....treated as a criminal event, Bill Clinton did nothing

    June 1993........plot was uncovered in time, yet President Clinton still didn't see the writing on the wall, that radiacl Islam had declared war on the USA, treated as a criminal event, Bill Clinton did nothing

    March 1, 1994...treated as a criminal event, Bill Clinton did nothing

    December 11, 1994.....WJ Clinton is still celebrating his re-election, and hitting on the interns....another wake up call, is ignored.

    January 6, 1995...The Bojinka plot was disrupted after a chemical fire.....a treasure trove of eveidence was discovered, and relayed to intellignece across the world, even though it was obvious that the USA, and the US airways were directly in the sights of terrorists, this was treated as a criminal event, Bill Clinton did nothing

    March 8, 1995...Terrorists in Karachi, Pakistan, armed with automatic rifles, murdered two American consulate employees and wounded a third as they traveled in the consulate shuttle bus

    June 25, 1996...treated as a criminal event, Bill Clinton did nothing

    August 7, 1998...hundreds of people were killed in simultaneous car bomb explosions at the United States embassies in the East African capital cities of Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi Kenya.

    August 20, 1998........FINALLY BILL CLINTON WOKE UP !!!          Ordering Operation Infinite Reach...in which an ASPIRIN FACTORY was bombed in the Sudan.....

    About 75 cruise missiles landed in Afghanistan at four insurgent training camps around Khost and Jalalabad....Afraid of angering Pakistan and Afghanistan, Madeleine Albright, phoned the two nations, letting them know cruise missiles would be crossing their airspace ( thus allowing Osama Bin Laden to escape death )....oh by the way...coincidentally, Bill Clintons first response to terrorists, occured THREE DAYS AFTER President Clinton admitted in a  that he had an inappropriate relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky

    December 14, 1999..2000 millennium attack plots...disrupted due to good policework, and luck.....unfortunatly President Clinton treated this as a criminal event, and Bill Clinton did nothing

    January 3, 2000...In Yemen, members of the group planned to bomb USS The Sullivans with a boat laden with explosives. Militants deployed a bomb-laden boat on but the over-loaded bomb boat sank before detonating......Certainly President Clinton would order the US Navy to be vigilant for another attempt like this right???? Nope, President Clinton treated this as a criminal event, and Bill Clinton did nothing

    October 12, 2000....note section "rules of engagement"...President Clinton STILL hadn't ssen the writing on the wall, and authorized the Pentagon to relax these "rules of engagment

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    Quote Originally Posted by kujayhwk:

     
     
     
    It was a solid "100" they knew something was coming.
     
     
     
     

     

    I agree with KU, we knew something was coming....

    The following attacks / planned attacks took place from January 1993-January 2001 ( under the Clinton watch )

    Jan 25, 1993 ....treated as a criminal event, Bill Clinton did nothing

    Feb 26, 1993.....treated as a criminal event, Bill Clinton did nothing

    June 1993........plot was uncovered in time, yet President Clinton still didn't see the writing on the wall, that radiacl Islam had declared war on the USA, treated as a criminal event, Bill Clinton did nothing

    March 1, 1994...treated as a criminal event, Bill Clinton did nothing

    December 11, 1994.....WJ Clinton is still celebrating his re-election, and hitting on the interns....another wake up call, is ignored.

    January 6, 1995...The Bojinka plot was disrupted after a chemical fire.....a treasure trove of eveidence was discovered, and relayed to intellignece across the world, even though it was obvious that the USA, and the US airways were directly in the sights of terrorists, this was treated as a criminal event, Bill Clinton did nothing

    March 8, 1995...Terrorists in Karachi, Pakistan, armed with automatic rifles, murdered two American consulate employees and wounded a third as they traveled in the consulate shuttle bus

    June 25, 1996...treated as a criminal event, Bill Clinton did nothing

    August 7, 1998...hundreds of people were killed in simultaneous car bomb explosions at the United States embassies in the East African capital cities of Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi Kenya.

    August 20, 1998........FINALLY BILL CLINTON WOKE UP !!!          Ordering Operation Infinite Reach...in which an ASPIRIN FACTORY was bombed in the Sudan.....

    About 75 cruise missiles landed in Afghanistan at four insurgent training camps around Khost and Jalalabad....Afraid of angering Pakistan and Afghanistan, Madeleine Albright, phoned the two nations, letting them know cruise missiles would be crossing their airspace ( thus allowing Osama Bin Laden to escape death )....oh by the way...coincidentally, Bill Clintons first response to terrorists, occured THREE DAYS AFTER President Clinton admitted in a  that he had an inappropriate relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky

    December 14, 1999..2000 millennium attack plots...disrupted due to good policework, and luck.....unfortunatly President Clinton treated this as a criminal event, and Bill Clinton did nothing

    January 3, 2000...In Yemen, members of the group planned to bomb USS The Sullivans with a boat laden with explosives. Militants deployed a bomb-laden boat on but the over-loaded bomb boat sank before detonating......Certainly President Clinton would order the US Navy to be vigilant for another attempt like this right???? Nope, President Clinton treated this as a criminal event, and Bill Clinton did nothing

    October 12, 2000....note section "rules of engagement"...President Clinton STILL hadn't ssen the writing on the wall, and authorized the Pentagon to relax these "rules of engagment

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 12:46 PM ET #6

    ATTATCKS UNDER PRESIDENT BUSH

    Sept 11, 2001....In a vague PDB 36 days earlier, President Bush was warned Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US:

    Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US
    Clandestine, foreign government, and media reports indicate Bin Ladin since 1997 has wanted to conduct terrorist attacks in the US. Bin Ladin implied in US television interviews in 1997 and 1998 that his followers would follow the example of World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef and "bring the fighting to America."
    After US missile strikes on his base in Afghanistan in 1998, Bin Ladin told followers he wanted to retaliate in Washington, according to a [--] service.
    An Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ) operative told an [--] service at the same time that Bin Ladin was planning to exploit the operative's access to the US to mount a terrorist strike.
    The millennium plotting in Canada in 1999 may have been part of Bin Ladin's first serious attempt to implement a terrorist strike in the US. Convicted plotter Ahmed Ressam has told the FBI that he conceived the idea to attack Los Angeles International Airport himself, but that Bin Ladin lieutenant Abu Zubaydah encouraged him and helped facilitate the operation. Ressam also said that in 1998 Abu Zubaydah was planning his own US attack.
    Ressam says Bin Ladin was aware of the Los Angeles operation.
    Although Bin Ladin has not succeeded, his attacks against the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 demonstrate that he prepares operations years in advance and is not deterred by setbacks. Bin Ladin associates surveilled our Embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam as early as 1993, and some members of the Nairobi cell planning the bombings were arrested and deported in 1997.
    Al-Qa'ida members--including some who are US citizens--have resided in or traveled to the US for years, and the group apparently maintains a support structure that could aid attacks. Two al-Qua' da members found guilty in the conspiracy to bomb our embassies in East Africa were US citizens, and a senior EIJ member lived in California in the mid-1990s.
    A clandestine source said in 1998 that a Bin Ladin cell in New York was recruiting Muslim-American youth for attacks.
    We have not been able to corroborate some of the more sensational threat reporting, such as that from a [--] service in 1998 saying that Bin Ladin wanted to hijack a US aircraft to gain the release of "Blind Shaykh" 'Umar 'Abd al-Rahman and other US-held extremists.
    Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.
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    ATTATCKS UNDER PRESIDENT BUSH

    Sept 11, 2001....In a vague PDB 36 days earlier, President Bush was warned Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US:

    Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US
    Clandestine, foreign government, and media reports indicate Bin Ladin since 1997 has wanted to conduct terrorist attacks in the US. Bin Ladin implied in US television interviews in 1997 and 1998 that his followers would follow the example of World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef and "bring the fighting to America."
    After US missile strikes on his base in Afghanistan in 1998, Bin Ladin told followers he wanted to retaliate in Washington, according to a [--] service.
    An Egyptian Islamic Jihad (EIJ) operative told an [--] service at the same time that Bin Ladin was planning to exploit the operative's access to the US to mount a terrorist strike.
    The millennium plotting in Canada in 1999 may have been part of Bin Ladin's first serious attempt to implement a terrorist strike in the US. Convicted plotter Ahmed Ressam has told the FBI that he conceived the idea to attack Los Angeles International Airport himself, but that Bin Ladin lieutenant Abu Zubaydah encouraged him and helped facilitate the operation. Ressam also said that in 1998 Abu Zubaydah was planning his own US attack.
    Ressam says Bin Ladin was aware of the Los Angeles operation.
    Although Bin Ladin has not succeeded, his attacks against the US Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 demonstrate that he prepares operations years in advance and is not deterred by setbacks. Bin Ladin associates surveilled our Embassies in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam as early as 1993, and some members of the Nairobi cell planning the bombings were arrested and deported in 1997.
    Al-Qa'ida members--including some who are US citizens--have resided in or traveled to the US for years, and the group apparently maintains a support structure that could aid attacks. Two al-Qua' da members found guilty in the conspiracy to bomb our embassies in East Africa were US citizens, and a senior EIJ member lived in California in the mid-1990s.
    A clandestine source said in 1998 that a Bin Ladin cell in New York was recruiting Muslim-American youth for attacks.
    We have not been able to corroborate some of the more sensational threat reporting, such as that from a [--] service in 1998 saying that Bin Ladin wanted to hijack a US aircraft to gain the release of "Blind Shaykh" 'Umar 'Abd al-Rahman and other US-held extremists.
    Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.
     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 12:53 PM ET #7

    Sept 18, 2001...still not known if this is domestic, or foreign terrorism
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by 69_Amazin_Mets:

     

    I agree with KU, we knew something was coming....

    The following attacks / planned attacks took place from January 1993-January 2001 ( under the Clinton watch )

    Jan 25, 1993 ....treated as a criminal event, Bill Clinton did nothing

    Feb 26, 1993.....treated as a criminal event, Bill Clinton did nothing

    June 1993........plot was uncovered in time, yet President Clinton still didn't see the writing on the wall, that radiacl Islam had declared war on the USA, treated as a criminal event, Bill Clinton did nothing

    March 1, 1994...treated as a criminal event, Bill Clinton did nothing

    December 11, 1994.....WJ Clinton is still celebrating his re-election, and hitting on the interns....another wake up call, is ignored.

    January 6, 1995...The Bojinka plot was disrupted after a chemical fire.....a treasure trove of eveidence was discovered, and relayed to intellignece across the world, even though it was obvious that the USA, and the US airways were directly in the sights of terrorists, this was treated as a criminal event, Bill Clinton did nothing

    March 8, 1995...Terrorists in Karachi, Pakistan, armed with automatic rifles, murdered two American consulate employees and wounded a third as they traveled in the consulate shuttle bus

    June 25, 1996...treated as a criminal event, Bill Clinton did nothing

    August 7, 1998...hundreds of people were killed in simultaneous car bomb explosions at the United States embassies in the East African capital cities of Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi Kenya.

    August 20, 1998........FINALLY BILL CLINTON WOKE UP !!!          Ordering Operation Infinite Reach...in which an ASPIRIN FACTORY was bombed in the Sudan.....

    About 75 cruise missiles landed in Afghanistan at four insurgent training camps around Khost and Jalalabad....Afraid of angering Pakistan and Afghanistan, Madeleine Albright, phoned the two nations, letting them know cruise missiles would be crossing their airspace ( thus allowing Osama Bin Laden to escape death )....oh by the way...coincidentally, Bill Clintons first response to terrorists, occured THREE DAYS AFTER President Clinton admitted in a  that he had an inappropriate relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky

    December 14, 1999..2000 millennium attack plots...disrupted due to good policework, and luck.....unfortunatly President Clinton treated this as a criminal event, and Bill Clinton did nothing

    January 3, 2000...In Yemen, members of the group planned to bomb USS The Sullivans with a boat laden with explosives. Militants deployed a bomb-laden boat on but the over-loaded bomb boat sank before detonating......Certainly President Clinton would order the US Navy to be vigilant for another attempt like this right???? Nope, President Clinton treated this as a criminal event, and Bill Clinton did nothing

    October 12, 2000....note section "rules of engagement"...President Clinton STILL hadn't ssen the writing on the wall, and authorized the Pentagon to relax these "rules of engagment

     

    You're brilliant 69am....

     

    Yes, of course, the beasts known as "Billary" are solely responsible for the 9-11 attack...their in-actions, after being repeatedly attacked by fascists who call themselves muslims, culminated in the horrendous attack 9-11 on our country...if you want more of the same I suggest you elect his partner in crimes aganist the USA and put the finishing touches on the complete destruction of america....

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    I agree with KU, we knew something was coming....

    The following attacks / planned attacks took place from January 1993-January 2001 ( under the Clinton watch )

    Jan 25, 1993 ....treated as a criminal event, Bill Clinton did nothing

    Feb 26, 1993.....treated as a criminal event, Bill Clinton did nothing

    June 1993........plot was uncovered in time, yet President Clinton still didn't see the writing on the wall, that radiacl Islam had declared war on the USA, treated as a criminal event, Bill Clinton did nothing

    March 1, 1994...treated as a criminal event, Bill Clinton did nothing

    December 11, 1994.....WJ Clinton is still celebrating his re-election, and hitting on the interns....another wake up call, is ignored.

    January 6, 1995...The Bojinka plot was disrupted after a chemical fire.....a treasure trove of eveidence was discovered, and relayed to intellignece across the world, even though it was obvious that the USA, and the US airways were directly in the sights of terrorists, this was treated as a criminal event, Bill Clinton did nothing

    March 8, 1995...Terrorists in Karachi, Pakistan, armed with automatic rifles, murdered two American consulate employees and wounded a third as they traveled in the consulate shuttle bus

    June 25, 1996...treated as a criminal event, Bill Clinton did nothing

    August 7, 1998...hundreds of people were killed in simultaneous car bomb explosions at the United States embassies in the East African capital cities of Dar es Salaam, Tanzania and Nairobi Kenya.

    August 20, 1998........FINALLY BILL CLINTON WOKE UP !!!          Ordering Operation Infinite Reach...in which an ASPIRIN FACTORY was bombed in the Sudan.....

    About 75 cruise missiles landed in Afghanistan at four insurgent training camps around Khost and Jalalabad....Afraid of angering Pakistan and Afghanistan, Madeleine Albright, phoned the two nations, letting them know cruise missiles would be crossing their airspace ( thus allowing Osama Bin Laden to escape death )....oh by the way...coincidentally, Bill Clintons first response to terrorists, occured THREE DAYS AFTER President Clinton admitted in a  that he had an inappropriate relationship with White House intern Monica Lewinsky

    December 14, 1999..2000 millennium attack plots...disrupted due to good policework, and luck.....unfortunatly President Clinton treated this as a criminal event, and Bill Clinton did nothing

    January 3, 2000...In Yemen, members of the group planned to bomb USS The Sullivans with a boat laden with explosives. Militants deployed a bomb-laden boat on but the over-loaded bomb boat sank before detonating......Certainly President Clinton would order the US Navy to be vigilant for another attempt like this right???? Nope, President Clinton treated this as a criminal event, and Bill Clinton did nothing

    October 12, 2000....note section "rules of engagement"...President Clinton STILL hadn't ssen the writing on the wall, and authorized the Pentagon to relax these "rules of engagment

     

    You're brilliant 69am....

     

    Yes, of course, the beasts known as "Billary" are solely responsible for the 9-11 attack...their in-actions, after being repeatedly attacked by fascists who call themselves muslims, culminated in the horrendous attack 9-11 on our country...if you want more of the same I suggest you elect his partner in crimes aganist the USA and put the finishing touches on the complete destruction of america....

     
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    October 7, 2001...War in Afghanistan (2001–present)
     
    March 20, 2003...Liberation of Iraq
     
    Since October 7, 2001, no attacks against US interests...
     
    Many thwarted attacks, thanks to President Bush and his administration bringing down the "wall of separation" that Jamie Gorelick put in place during the Clinton Administration.
     
    One can only surmise, that had she not had this obstacle in place during the Clinton administration, and into the Bush Administration, the FBI, CIA, NSA may have compared notes, and uncovered the pilot training, and the attack plan.
     
    Let's hope that congress doesn't interfere with the steps we currently have in place, to thwart attacks.
     
    Let's hope the next administration keeps taking the fight to the enemy, so we won't have reoccurring attacks.
     ( like we had MORE THAN TEN TIMES during the Clinton Administration )
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    October 7, 2001...War in Afghanistan (2001–present)
     
    March 20, 2003...Liberation of Iraq
     
    Since October 7, 2001, no attacks against US interests...
     
    Many thwarted attacks, thanks to President Bush and his administration bringing down the "wall of separation" that Jamie Gorelick put in place during the Clinton Administration.
     
    One can only surmise, that had she not had this obstacle in place during the Clinton administration, and into the Bush Administration, the FBI, CIA, NSA may have compared notes, and uncovered the pilot training, and the attack plan.
     
    Let's hope that congress doesn't interfere with the steps we currently have in place, to thwart attacks.
     
    Let's hope the next administration keeps taking the fight to the enemy, so we won't have reoccurring attacks.
     ( like we had MORE THAN TEN TIMES during the Clinton Administration )
     
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    You're brilliant 69am....

     

    Yes, of course, the beasts known as "Billary" are solely responsible for the 9-11 attack...their in-actions, after being repeatedly attacked by fascists who call themselves muslims, culminated in the horrendous attack 9-11 on our country...if you want more of the same I suggest you elect his partner in crimes aganist the USA and put the finishing touches on the complete destruction of america....

    you realize you will now be relegated to the NYBob or 69_amazin_mets alias list that the kool aid drinking liberal lemmings have put together...In their word, anyone who disagrees with their views, is an alias of mine, or NY Bob

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    You're brilliant 69am....

     

    Yes, of course, the beasts known as "Billary" are solely responsible for the 9-11 attack...their in-actions, after being repeatedly attacked by fascists who call themselves muslims, culminated in the horrendous attack 9-11 on our country...if you want more of the same I suggest you elect his partner in crimes aganist the USA and put the finishing touches on the complete destruction of america....

    you realize you will now be relegated to the NYBob or 69_amazin_mets alias list that the kool aid drinking liberal lemmings have put together...In their word, anyone who disagrees with their views, is an alias of mine, or NY Bob

     
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    Posted: Dec. 8, 2007 - 1:19 PM ET #12

    numerous typos, in my thread..
    Guess I am tired.
     
    Will log back on after some
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    numerous typos, in my thread..
    Guess I am tired.
     
    Will log back on after some
     
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    It is always good to know that your not alone in this World and that others share your beliefs on a subject.
     
     
     
    , “I do believe that it’s the first time in history that fire has ever melted steel. I do believe that it defies physics that World Trade Center tower 7—building 7, which collapsed in on itself—
     
     
    it is impossible for a building to fall the way it fell without explosives being involved. World Trade Center 7. World Trade [Center] 1 and 2 got hit by planes—7, miraculously, the first time in history, steel was melted by fire. It is physically impossible.”
     
                                                     Rosie O'Donald on The View
     
    She also argee's with you again:

    O'Donnell and her co-panelists debate the situation concerning Iran's seizure of the British marines before O'Donnell states, "Historically, have governments ever faked incidents or incited incidents in order to get them into wars?"

     
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    It is always good to know that your not alone in this World and that others share your beliefs on a subject.
     
     
     
    , “I do believe that it’s the first time in history that fire has ever melted steel. I do believe that it defies physics that World Trade Center tower 7—building 7, which collapsed in on itself—
     
     
    it is impossible for a building to fall the way it fell without explosives being involved. World Trade Center 7. World Trade [Center] 1 and 2 got hit by planes—7, miraculously, the first time in history, steel was melted by fire. It is physically impossible.”
     
                                                     Rosie O'Donald on The View
     
    She also argee's with you again:

    O'Donnell and her co-panelists debate the situation concerning Iran's seizure of the British marines before O'Donnell states, "Historically, have governments ever faked incidents or incited incidents in order to get them into wars?"

     
     
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    It's all Clintons fault. Everything is Clintons fault. Weather too cold? Clintons fault. Coffee too hot? Clintons fault. The rise of Hilter and Nazi Germany? Clintons fault. The break-up of The Beatles? Clintons fault.

    Bush ignoring the Brief "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States"? Clintons fault. Bush lying and sending thousands of Americans off to die by linking bin Laden to Iraq? Clintons fault. The White House doing nothing about the flood of intelligence during summer '01 of an impending terrorist attack on a large scale? Clintons fault


    Wasting your life away as an bitter, obsessed, obese truck driver with no friends and telling lies all over the internet? Clintons fault. Give it up Bob. You are pathetic
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    It's all Clintons fault. Everything is Clintons fault. Weather too cold? Clintons fault. Coffee too hot? Clintons fault. The rise of Hilter and Nazi Germany? Clintons fault. The break-up of The Beatles? Clintons fault.

    Bush ignoring the Brief "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States"? Clintons fault. Bush lying and sending thousands of Americans off to die by linking bin Laden to Iraq? Clintons fault. The White House doing nothing about the flood of intelligence during summer '01 of an impending terrorist attack on a large scale? Clintons fault


    Wasting your life away as an bitter, obsessed, obese truck driver with no friends and telling lies all over the internet? Clintons fault. Give it up Bob. You are pathetic
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjbestwralltime:

    ok fuck this guy that hates hillary has taken over my thread. calm down motherfucker!
     
    let me rescale it
     
    0-25, govt had no knowledge and is telling the truth
    26-50, the govt suspected an attack but more or less let it happen
    51-75, the govt really knew a lot more and REALLY let it happen
    76-100, the government PLANNED the motherfucker and pretty much set it up from start to finish

    You might want to reword your grading scale, because there is no the government suspected an attack but didn't know when or how exactly it would happen option.  That is what the answer is as far as I'm concerned.  Now if people want to argue about the stuff that happened after 9/11 knock yourselves out, but I would have to say if they knew exactly what was going down, it would've been stopped quite easily right at the airports themselves and nobody would have even heard about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjbestwralltime:

    ok fuck this guy that hates hillary has taken over my thread. calm down motherfucker!
     
    let me rescale it
     
    0-25, govt had no knowledge and is telling the truth
    26-50, the govt suspected an attack but more or less let it happen
    51-75, the govt really knew a lot more and REALLY let it happen
    76-100, the government PLANNED the motherfucker and pretty much set it up from start to finish

    You might want to reword your grading scale, because there is no the government suspected an attack but didn't know when or how exactly it would happen option.  That is what the answer is as far as I'm concerned.  Now if people want to argue about the stuff that happened after 9/11 knock yourselves out, but I would have to say if they knew exactly what was going down, it would've been stopped quite easily right at the airports themselves and nobody would have even heard about it.

     
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    Anyone who could believe that the US the government would kill 3,000 of it's civilians as a pretext to go to war is in need of some major psychiatric help.
     
    I disagree. after watching this bunch of NeoCon Nuts for the past 7 years, I think anyone who DOESN'T believe that they would do ANYTHING, including mass murder, to STAY IN POWER is the one that "is in need of some major psychiatric help". these fuckers are right out of George Orwell's "1984"
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    Anyone who could believe that the US the government would kill 3,000 of it's civilians as a pretext to go to war is in need of some major psychiatric help.
     
    I disagree. after watching this bunch of NeoCon Nuts for the past 7 years, I think anyone who DOESN'T believe that they would do ANYTHING, including mass murder, to STAY IN POWER is the one that "is in need of some major psychiatric help". these fuckers are right out of George Orwell's "1984"
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SecondAgain:

    It's all Clintons fault. Everything is Clintons fault. Weather too cold? Clintons fault. Coffee too hot? Clintons fault. The rise of Hilter and Nazi Germany? Clintons fault. The break-up of The Beatles? Clintons fault.

    Bush ignoring the Brief "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States"? Clintons fault. Bush lying and sending thousands of Americans off to die by linking bin Laden to Iraq? Clintons fault. The White House doing nothing about the flood of intelligence during summer '01 of an impending terrorist attack on a large scale? Clintons fault


    Wasting your life away as an bitter, obsessed, obese truck driver with no friends and telling lies all over the internet? Clintons fault. Give it up Bob. You are pathetic


    The humor in this post comes from it's truthfulness. 
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    It's all Clintons fault. Everything is Clintons fault. Weather too cold? Clintons fault. Coffee too hot? Clintons fault. The rise of Hilter and Nazi Germany? Clintons fault. The break-up of The Beatles? Clintons fault.

    Bush ignoring the Brief "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States"? Clintons fault. Bush lying and sending thousands of Americans off to die by linking bin Laden to Iraq? Clintons fault. The White House doing nothing about the flood of intelligence during summer '01 of an impending terrorist attack on a large scale? Clintons fault


    Wasting your life away as an bitter, obsessed, obese truck driver with no friends and telling lies all over the internet? Clintons fault. Give it up Bob. You are pathetic


    The humor in this post comes from it's truthfulness. 
     
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    The stage was already set ,and the present Admistration just pulled the curtain.
     
    Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
     
     The Act was passed 360-38 in the the House and  by unanimous consent in the Senate.  The bill was signed in to Law by Pres. Bill Clinto Oct. 31 1998 
     
    . Congress found: "It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein  from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime
     
     On 12/16/98   President Bill Clinton  mandated Operation Desert Fox, a major four-day bombing campaign on Iraqi targets.
     
    If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
       - President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
     
     Both President's were getting the same intell from the Tenent C.I.A. and the same N.I.E.'s and came to the same conclusion. 
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    The stage was already set ,and the present Admistration just pulled the curtain.
     
    Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
     
     The Act was passed 360-38 in the the House and  by unanimous consent in the Senate.  The bill was signed in to Law by Pres. Bill Clinto Oct. 31 1998 
     
    . Congress found: "It should be the policy of the United States to support efforts to remove the regime headed by Saddam Hussein  from power in Iraq and to promote the emergence of a democratic government to replace that regime
     
     On 12/16/98   President Bill Clinton  mandated Operation Desert Fox, a major four-day bombing campaign on Iraqi targets.
     
    If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
       - President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
     
     Both President's were getting the same intell from the Tenent C.I.A. and the same N.I.E.'s and came to the same conclusion. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

     Both President's were getting the same intell from the Tenent C.I.A. and the same N.I.E.'s and came to the same conclusion. 


    Clinton listened to Curveball? Clinton sent somebody to Niger to investigate uranium sales? And when Clinton was told by that same person something he did not want to hear did Clinton smear him and his family?
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     Both President's were getting the same intell from the Tenent C.I.A. and the same N.I.E.'s and came to the same conclusion. 


    Clinton listened to Curveball? Clinton sent somebody to Niger to investigate uranium sales? And when Clinton was told by that same person something he did not want to hear did Clinton smear him and his family?
     
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    69, since you seem to have an abnormal obsession with Bill
    Clinton, constantly bringing him up in threads that have nothing
    to do with him, may I suggest this. Why dont you start a thread
    wherein the Presidential term limits are waived and we can run
    Bill Clinton vs George W.Bush in the next presidential election.
    Then we can see how the numerous perceived mistakes by
    Clinton would doom him to lose in a landslide against our present
    flawless leader who was just unfortunate to have to pick up the
    pieces when he usurped the office. I would be happy to wager
    on the "incompetent" Mr. Clinton against the infallible "Chauncey
    Gardner" for whatever amount you deem appropriate. I would
    start it myself, except it would be considered just a left wing
    tainted poll so I invite you or Redlad or Slim or any other other
    Neo-Con leaning posters to start it instead. I think the results
    would be most interesting.
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    69, since you seem to have an abnormal obsession with Bill
    Clinton, constantly bringing him up in threads that have nothing
    to do with him, may I suggest this. Why dont you start a thread
    wherein the Presidential term limits are waived and we can run
    Bill Clinton vs George W.Bush in the next presidential election.
    Then we can see how the numerous perceived mistakes by
    Clinton would doom him to lose in a landslide against our present
    flawless leader who was just unfortunate to have to pick up the
    pieces when he usurped the office. I would be happy to wager
    on the "incompetent" Mr. Clinton against the infallible "Chauncey
    Gardner" for whatever amount you deem appropriate. I would
    start it myself, except it would be considered just a left wing
    tainted poll so I invite you or Redlad or Slim or any other other
    Neo-Con leaning posters to start it instead. I think the results
    would be most interesting.
     
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    To say it isnt possible is just stupid.

    I dont put ANYTHING past the government and I would be shocked if somthing didnt happen to be honest.  
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    To say it isnt possible is just stupid.

    I dont put ANYTHING past the government and I would be shocked if somthing didnt happen to be honest.  
     
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    "When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.'
     
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    "When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.'
     
                                                         Sherlock Holmes
     
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    "Marge, it takes two to lie. One to lie, and one to listen."
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    "Marge, it takes two to lie. One to lie, and one to listen."
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    Gold kujay
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    why is it that  these fuckin idiot crackpot conspiracy asshole threads keep showing up?
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