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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2022 - 1:27 AM ET #26

    It is fairly easy to see and understand how it is done.  There are numerous places online that will help you with it.

    https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/gasoline-prices-adjusted-for-inflation/

    This a place you can use to look at it.  They explain how it is done.  peace_5

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    It is fairly easy to see and understand how it is done.  There are numerous places online that will help you with it.

    https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/gasoline-prices-adjusted-for-inflation/

    This a place you can use to look at it.  They explain how it is done.  peace_5

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2022 - 1:29 AM ET #27

    Yes -- most are not going to use the current year as the basis.  But you can do that way also if you like. peace_5

    I think this one has 2016 - 2.20; 2017 - 2.47; 2018 - 2.79; 2019 - 2.70.  For example 

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    Yes -- most are not going to use the current year as the basis.  But you can do that way also if you like. peace_5

    I think this one has 2016 - 2.20; 2017 - 2.47; 2018 - 2.79; 2019 - 2.70.  For example 

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2022 - 1:34 AM ET #28

    For example, this one might help you to understand the affects of inflation and what they look at:

    https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/gasoline-inflation-in-the-united-states/

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    For example, this one might help you to understand the affects of inflation and what they look at:

    https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/inflation/gasoline-inflation-in-the-united-states/

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2022 - 1:38 AM ET #29

    In the 2021 calendar year, the average price of gas advanced to $3.133 per gallon from the 2020 average of $2.242, representing a 39.7% increase.

    This is not to blame anyone or not to blame them.  Just pointing out when these folks are excited about the gas prices coming down that they do not point out that it is relative and that they were not excited to take the 'blame' when they went up.

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    In the 2021 calendar year, the average price of gas advanced to $3.133 per gallon from the 2020 average of $2.242, representing a 39.7% increase.

    This is not to blame anyone or not to blame them.  Just pointing out when these folks are excited about the gas prices coming down that they do not point out that it is relative and that they were not excited to take the 'blame' when they went up.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2022 - 1:52 AM ET #30

    I don't think you understand inflation.  Using 2022 dollars, let's say $4 on average can buy you a gallon of gas in 2022.  How many gallons of gas can you buy in 1999 with 2022 dollars adjusted for inflation?

    Then think about how much gas is on average right now.  Around my area it's $2.69.

     

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    I don't think you understand inflation.  Using 2022 dollars, let's say $4 on average can buy you a gallon of gas in 2022.  How many gallons of gas can you buy in 1999 with 2022 dollars adjusted for inflation?

    Then think about how much gas is on average right now.  Around my area it's $2.69.

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2022 - 2:03 AM ET #31

    It is not that complicated to find this stuff:

    Inflation Adjusted Gasoline Prices (1978-2021)
    Category: Gasoline (All types, Per gallon)

    Average Gasoline Prices by Year*

    Average Annual CPI for Gasoline**

    Gas Prices Adjusted for Inflation (In 2021 Dollars)

    All of these are listed on there.  You can search it any way that you like.

     

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    It is not that complicated to find this stuff:

    Inflation Adjusted Gasoline Prices (1978-2021)
    Category: Gasoline (All types, Per gallon)

    Average Gasoline Prices by Year*

    Average Annual CPI for Gasoline**

    Gas Prices Adjusted for Inflation (In 2021 Dollars)

    All of these are listed on there.  You can search it any way that you like.

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2022 - 2:05 AM ET #32

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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2022 - 2:06 AM ET #33

    So you are agreeing gas is cheaper today after factoring in inflation.  an_roll_laugh

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    So you are agreeing gas is cheaper today after factoring in inflation.  an_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2022 - 2:09 AM ET #34

    Quote Originally Posted by meknowno:

    So you are agreeing gas is cheaper today after factoring in inflation.

    No sir--- You are misunderstanding what you are looking at

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by meknowno:

    So you are agreeing gas is cheaper today after factoring in inflation.

    No sir--- You are misunderstanding what you are looking at

     

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2022 - 2:10 AM ET #35

    Gas priced at $3.85 in 2016 ? $7.25 in 2022

    According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, prices for gasoline (all types) are 88.37% higher in 2022 versus 2016 (a $3.40 difference in value).

    The current national average price is $3.85 for "Gasoline, unleaded regular, per gallon/3.785 liters". This data is collected by a national survey and can vary from region to region.

    Between 2016 and 2022: Gas experienced an average inflation rate of 11.13% per year. This rate of change indicates significant inflation. In other words, gas costing $3.85 in the year 2016 would cost $7.25 in 2022 for an equivalent purchase. Compared to the overall inflation rate of 3.34% during this same period, inflation for gas was significantly higher.

    In the year 2016: Pricing changed by -11.51%, which is significantly below the average yearly change for gas during the 2016-2022 time period. Compared to inflation for all items in 2016 (1.26%), inflation for gas was much lower.

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    Gas priced at $3.85 in 2016 ? $7.25 in 2022

    According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, prices for gasoline (all types) are 88.37% higher in 2022 versus 2016 (a $3.40 difference in value).

    The current national average price is $3.85 for "Gasoline, unleaded regular, per gallon/3.785 liters". This data is collected by a national survey and can vary from region to region.

    Between 2016 and 2022: Gas experienced an average inflation rate of 11.13% per year. This rate of change indicates significant inflation. In other words, gas costing $3.85 in the year 2016 would cost $7.25 in 2022 for an equivalent purchase. Compared to the overall inflation rate of 3.34% during this same period, inflation for gas was significantly higher.

    In the year 2016: Pricing changed by -11.51%, which is significantly below the average yearly change for gas during the 2016-2022 time period. Compared to inflation for all items in 2016 (1.26%), inflation for gas was much lower.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2022 - 2:11 AM ET #36

    Gas priced at $3.85 in 2020 ? $7.01 in 2022

    According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, prices for gasoline (all types) are 82.03% higher in 2022 versus 2020 (a $3.16 difference in value).

    The current national average price is $3.85 for "Gasoline, unleaded regular, per gallon/3.785 liters". This data is collected by a national survey and can vary from region to region.

    Between 2020 and 2022: Gas experienced an average inflation rate of 34.92% per year. This rate of change indicates significant inflation. In other words, gas costing $3.85 in the year 2020 would cost $7.01 in 2022 for an equivalent purchase. Compared to the overall inflation rate of 6.27% during this same period, inflation for gas was significantly higher.

    In the year 2020: Pricing changed by -16.32%, which is significantly below the average yearly change for gas during the 2020-2022 time period. Compared to inflation for all items in 2020 (1.23%), inflation for gas was much lower.

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    Gas priced at $3.85 in 2020 ? $7.01 in 2022

    According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, prices for gasoline (all types) are 82.03% higher in 2022 versus 2020 (a $3.16 difference in value).

    The current national average price is $3.85 for "Gasoline, unleaded regular, per gallon/3.785 liters". This data is collected by a national survey and can vary from region to region.

    Between 2020 and 2022: Gas experienced an average inflation rate of 34.92% per year. This rate of change indicates significant inflation. In other words, gas costing $3.85 in the year 2020 would cost $7.01 in 2022 for an equivalent purchase. Compared to the overall inflation rate of 6.27% during this same period, inflation for gas was significantly higher.

    In the year 2020: Pricing changed by -16.32%, which is significantly below the average yearly change for gas during the 2020-2022 time period. Compared to inflation for all items in 2020 (1.23%), inflation for gas was much lower.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2022 - 2:13 AM ET #37

    Again, I am not arguing here the reason(s) why.  I am doing two things: 1) pointing out it is relative and 2) saying the folks that are gleeful it is coming down do not point out it is coming down from an all-time high and was lower (by any measure) in 2020.

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    Again, I am not arguing here the reason(s) why.  I am doing two things: 1) pointing out it is relative and 2) saying the folks that are gleeful it is coming down do not point out it is coming down from an all-time high and was lower (by any measure) in 2020.

     
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    Posted: Dec. 31, 2022 - 2:22 AM ET #38

    https://inflationdata.com/articles/2022/06/10/inflation-adjusted-gasoline-hits-new-high-almost/

    This will explain it a little better.  It has a nice chart on there as gas was peaking and they explain it some. They were comparing to 2012 highs mainly.  But the chart has nominal and adjusted prices charted for it to be easy to compare.  peace_5

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    https://inflationdata.com/articles/2022/06/10/inflation-adjusted-gasoline-hits-new-high-almost/

    This will explain it a little better.  It has a nice chart on there as gas was peaking and they explain it some. They were comparing to 2012 highs mainly.  But the chart has nominal and adjusted prices charted for it to be easy to compare.  peace_5

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Gas priced at $3.85 in 2020 ? $7.01 in 2022 According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, prices for gasoline (all types) are 82.03% higher in 2022 versus 2020 (a $3.16 difference in value). The current national average price is $3.85 for "Gasoline, unleaded regular, per gallon/3.785 liters". This data is collected by a national survey and can vary from region to region. Between 2020 and 2022: Gas experienced an average inflation rate of 34.92% per year. This rate of change indicates significant inflation. In other words, gas costing $3.85 in the year 2020 would cost $7.01 in 2022 for an equivalent purchase. Compared to the overall inflation rate of 6.27% during this same period, inflation for gas was significantly higher. In the year 2020: Pricing changed by -16.32%, which is significantly below the average yearly change for gas during the 2020-2022 time period. Compared to inflation for all items in 2020 (1.23%), inflation for gas was much lower.

     

    I'm not arguing the reasons either.  Just listen to yourself.  You are saying gas per gallon priced at $3.85 in 2020 is worth $7.01 in today's dollars in 2022. 

    How much are you paying for gas today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22:

    Gas priced at $3.85 in 2020 ? $7.01 in 2022 According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, prices for gasoline (all types) are 82.03% higher in 2022 versus 2020 (a $3.16 difference in value). The current national average price is $3.85 for "Gasoline, unleaded regular, per gallon/3.785 liters". This data is collected by a national survey and can vary from region to region. Between 2020 and 2022: Gas experienced an average inflation rate of 34.92% per year. This rate of change indicates significant inflation. In other words, gas costing $3.85 in the year 2020 would cost $7.01 in 2022 for an equivalent purchase. Compared to the overall inflation rate of 6.27% during this same period, inflation for gas was significantly higher. In the year 2020: Pricing changed by -16.32%, which is significantly below the average yearly change for gas during the 2020-2022 time period. Compared to inflation for all items in 2020 (1.23%), inflation for gas was much lower.

     

    I'm not arguing the reasons either.  Just listen to yourself.  You are saying gas per gallon priced at $3.85 in 2020 is worth $7.01 in today's dollars in 2022. 

    How much are you paying for gas today?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by meknowno:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: Gas priced at $3.85 in 2020 ? $7.01 in 2022 According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, prices for gasoline (all types) are 82.03% higher in 2022 versus 2020 (a $3.16 difference in value). The current national average price is $3.85 for "Gasoline, unleaded regular, per gallon/3.785 liters". This data is collected by a national survey and can vary from region to region. Between 2020 and 2022: Gas experienced an average inflation rate of 34.92% per year. This rate of change indicates significant inflation. In other words, gas costing $3.85 in the year 2020 would cost $7.01 in 2022 for an equivalent purchase. Compared to the overall inflation rate of 6.27% during this same period, inflation for gas was significantly higher. In the year 2020: Pricing changed by -16.32%, which is significantly below the average yearly change for gas during the 2020-2022 time period. Compared to inflation for all items in 2020 (1.23%), inflation for gas was much lower.   I'm not arguing the reasons either.  Just listen to yourself.  You are saying gas per gallon priced at $3.85 in 2020 is worth $7.01 in today's dollars in 2022.  How much are you paying for gas today?

     

    I am not SAYING it; I am QUOTING the data that PROVES it.  You can look it up yourself.  I gave you the places.  They even have a nice chart.

    Yes, to answer your question -- at that time, that was what the adjusted price was.

    I pointed this out to reference how high it had been -- but no body wanted to take the blame for it.  And to point out where it is coming down from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by meknowno:

    Quote Originally Posted by Raiders22: Gas priced at $3.85 in 2020 ? $7.01 in 2022 According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, prices for gasoline (all types) are 82.03% higher in 2022 versus 2020 (a $3.16 difference in value). The current national average price is $3.85 for "Gasoline, unleaded regular, per gallon/3.785 liters". This data is collected by a national survey and can vary from region to region. Between 2020 and 2022: Gas experienced an average inflation rate of 34.92% per year. This rate of change indicates significant inflation. In other words, gas costing $3.85 in the year 2020 would cost $7.01 in 2022 for an equivalent purchase. Compared to the overall inflation rate of 6.27% during this same period, inflation for gas was significantly higher. In the year 2020: Pricing changed by -16.32%, which is significantly below the average yearly change for gas during the 2020-2022 time period. Compared to inflation for all items in 2020 (1.23%), inflation for gas was much lower.   I'm not arguing the reasons either.  Just listen to yourself.  You are saying gas per gallon priced at $3.85 in 2020 is worth $7.01 in today's dollars in 2022.  How much are you paying for gas today?

     

    I am not SAYING it; I am QUOTING the data that PROVES it.  You can look it up yourself.  I gave you the places.  They even have a nice chart.

    Yes, to answer your question -- at that time, that was what the adjusted price was.

    I pointed this out to reference how high it had been -- but no body wanted to take the blame for it.  And to point out where it is coming down from.

     
     
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    You seem to think I disagree that the prices are coming down; I am not.  That is not my issue with this. peace_5

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    You seem to think I disagree that the prices are coming down; I am not.  That is not my issue with this. peace_5

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