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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2023 - 2:20 AM ET #251

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by nostradumbass: there really is a legitimate FBI document that has Joe in checkmate. I am sure he will get off but this one is really bad and someone needs to be the example because this shit is out of control! So far, no proof of wrongdoing by Joe Biden.  Johnson and other republicans acknowledge they couldn't confirm whether unverified FBI document claiming Ukraine bribes is true according to Associated press.  For years, claims have been scrutinized by Trump justice department, Trump appointed attorney and impeachment trial of Trump.  They have already been found to lack credibility.  White house say republicans are playing shameless, dishonest politics and refuse to let truth get in the way of smearing Biden.

    Supposedly, these "sources" also have countless text messages from Hunter and Joe Biden and even recordings of Joe Biden proving he accepted bribes. Mysteriously, no one has yet been able to retrieve or listen to these recordings. Hmmmm, I wonder why this "proof" has yet to be found, leaked, or vetted by anyone?? Probably because it does not exist. an_light

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by nostradumbass: there really is a legitimate FBI document that has Joe in checkmate. I am sure he will get off but this one is really bad and someone needs to be the example because this shit is out of control! So far, no proof of wrongdoing by Joe Biden.  Johnson and other republicans acknowledge they couldn't confirm whether unverified FBI document claiming Ukraine bribes is true according to Associated press.  For years, claims have been scrutinized by Trump justice department, Trump appointed attorney and impeachment trial of Trump.  They have already been found to lack credibility.  White house say republicans are playing shameless, dishonest politics and refuse to let truth get in the way of smearing Biden.

    Supposedly, these "sources" also have countless text messages from Hunter and Joe Biden and even recordings of Joe Biden proving he accepted bribes. Mysteriously, no one has yet been able to retrieve or listen to these recordings. Hmmmm, I wonder why this "proof" has yet to be found, leaked, or vetted by anyone?? Probably because it does not exist. an_light

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2023 - 9:41 AM ET #252

    The FBI document reflects the FBI's interview with a "highly credible" confidential human source (CHS) who detailed multiple meetings and conversations he or she had with a top executive ( Zlochevsky) of Ukrainian natural gas firm Burisma Holdings over the course of several years, starting in 2015. At that time, Hunter Biden sat on the board of Burisma.

    Biden has acknowledged that when he was vice president, he successfully pressured Ukraine to fire prosecutor Viktor Shokin. At the time, Shokin was investigating Burisma Holdings, and Hunter had a highly lucrative role on the board. The then-vice president threatened to withhold $1 billion of critical U.S. aid if Shokin were not fired.

    According to the document, Zlochevsky told the confidential human source that Hunter Biden "'was stupid, and his [Zlochevsky’s] dog was smarter.'"

    But Zlochevsky told the source that he "needed to keep Hunter Biden [on the board] ‘so everything will be okay.'"

    The source went on to ask "whether Hunter Biden or Joe Biden told Zlochevsky he should retain Hunter."

    "Zlochevsky replied: ‘They both did,’" the document said.

    The source reiterated that this was a "mistake," and that Zlochevsky "should fire Hunter Biden and deal with Shokin’s investigation directly so that the matter" would stay an issue in Ukraine and so that it would not "turn into some international matter," to which Zlochevsky stressed not to worry and said that "this thing will go away anyway."

    Zlochevsky said that Burisma had "hired Hunter Biden ‘to protect us, through his dad, from all kinds of problems.’"

    Zlochevsky also told the source "something to the effect of, ‘Don’t worry, Hunter will take care of those issues through his dad."

    The form details a "2016/2017 telephone call" the source had with Zlochevsky after the 2016 presidential election. Zlochevsky said he was "not happy Trump won the election."

    "CHS asked Zlochevsky whether he was concerned about Burisma’s involvement with the Bidens," the form states. "Zlochevsky stated he didn't want to pay the Bidens and he was ‘pushed to pay’ them."

    The source explained to the FBI agent taking notes that the Russian term Zlochevsky used to explain the payments was "poluchili." The form states that "literally translates to; 'got it’ or ‘received it’ but is also used in "Russian criminal slang for being ‘forced or coerced to pay.’"

    At that point, Shokin had already been fired. Zlochevsky said that "nobody would find out about his financial dealings with the Bidens."

    The source warned Zlochevsky in a 2019 conversation that he "might have difficulty explaining suspicious wire transfers that may evidence any (illicit) payments to the Bidens."

    "Zlochevsky responded he did not send any funds directly to the ‘Big Guy’ (which CHS understood was a reference to Joe Biden)," the form states.

    The form says that the confidential source asked Zlochevsky how many companies and bank accounts he controlled, to which he responded that it would "take them (investigators) 10 years to find the records (i.e., illicit payments to Joe Biden)."

    The source told Zlochevsky that he hoped he had "some back-up (proof) for your words (namely, that Zlochevsky was ‘forced’ to pay the Bidens)."

    "Zlochevsky replied he has many text messages and ‘recordings’ that show that he was coerced to make such payments," the form states. "CHS told Zlochevsky he should make certain that he should retain those recordings."

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    The FBI document reflects the FBI's interview with a "highly credible" confidential human source (CHS) who detailed multiple meetings and conversations he or she had with a top executive ( Zlochevsky) of Ukrainian natural gas firm Burisma Holdings over the course of several years, starting in 2015. At that time, Hunter Biden sat on the board of Burisma.

    Biden has acknowledged that when he was vice president, he successfully pressured Ukraine to fire prosecutor Viktor Shokin. At the time, Shokin was investigating Burisma Holdings, and Hunter had a highly lucrative role on the board. The then-vice president threatened to withhold $1 billion of critical U.S. aid if Shokin were not fired.

    According to the document, Zlochevsky told the confidential human source that Hunter Biden "'was stupid, and his [Zlochevsky’s] dog was smarter.'"

    But Zlochevsky told the source that he "needed to keep Hunter Biden [on the board] ‘so everything will be okay.'"

    The source went on to ask "whether Hunter Biden or Joe Biden told Zlochevsky he should retain Hunter."

    "Zlochevsky replied: ‘They both did,’" the document said.

    The source reiterated that this was a "mistake," and that Zlochevsky "should fire Hunter Biden and deal with Shokin’s investigation directly so that the matter" would stay an issue in Ukraine and so that it would not "turn into some international matter," to which Zlochevsky stressed not to worry and said that "this thing will go away anyway."

    Zlochevsky said that Burisma had "hired Hunter Biden ‘to protect us, through his dad, from all kinds of problems.’"

    Zlochevsky also told the source "something to the effect of, ‘Don’t worry, Hunter will take care of those issues through his dad."

    The form details a "2016/2017 telephone call" the source had with Zlochevsky after the 2016 presidential election. Zlochevsky said he was "not happy Trump won the election."

    "CHS asked Zlochevsky whether he was concerned about Burisma’s involvement with the Bidens," the form states. "Zlochevsky stated he didn't want to pay the Bidens and he was ‘pushed to pay’ them."

    The source explained to the FBI agent taking notes that the Russian term Zlochevsky used to explain the payments was "poluchili." The form states that "literally translates to; 'got it’ or ‘received it’ but is also used in "Russian criminal slang for being ‘forced or coerced to pay.’"

    At that point, Shokin had already been fired. Zlochevsky said that "nobody would find out about his financial dealings with the Bidens."

    The source warned Zlochevsky in a 2019 conversation that he "might have difficulty explaining suspicious wire transfers that may evidence any (illicit) payments to the Bidens."

    "Zlochevsky responded he did not send any funds directly to the ‘Big Guy’ (which CHS understood was a reference to Joe Biden)," the form states.

    The form says that the confidential source asked Zlochevsky how many companies and bank accounts he controlled, to which he responded that it would "take them (investigators) 10 years to find the records (i.e., illicit payments to Joe Biden)."

    The source told Zlochevsky that he hoped he had "some back-up (proof) for your words (namely, that Zlochevsky was ‘forced’ to pay the Bidens)."

    "Zlochevsky replied he has many text messages and ‘recordings’ that show that he was coerced to make such payments," the form states. "CHS told Zlochevsky he should make certain that he should retain those recordings."

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2023 - 9:50 AM ET #253

    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by nostradumbass: there really is a legitimate FBI document that has Joe in checkmate. I am sure he will get off but this one is really bad and someone needs to be the example because this shit is out of control! So far, no proof of wrongdoing by Joe Biden.  Johnson and other republicans acknowledge they couldn't confirm whether unverified FBI document claiming Ukraine bribes is true according to Associated press.  For years, claims have been scrutinized by Trump justice department, Trump appointed attorney and impeachment trial of Trump.  They have already been found to lack credibility.  White house say republicans are playing shameless, dishonest politics and refuse to let truth get in the way of smearing Biden.
    LOL. You guys and your Trump. So let me get this straight. You only believe FBI documents that accuse Trump of something, even the crap already proven to be lies, and now the liars get caught and you still give them the benefit of doubt? Wow you're blinded by your politics because you sound rather silly.

    Anyway, these FBI documents, you know coming from the same FBI that has aided the elites to get Joe elected (so they could all get wealthier, now need to be verified? LMFAO. Dude wake up! Joe has been caught red handed and the only way he'll get out of this is if people like you put politics ahead of what is right. Send him and the rest of the traitors in Congress (red or blue) to prison for life.

    And do yourself a favor, stop reading state censored media. They are very easy to find these days because they don't have a comments section any longer. They don't want to allow discussion, because they don't want people to find out the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thirdperson:

    Quote Originally Posted by nostradumbass: there really is a legitimate FBI document that has Joe in checkmate. I am sure he will get off but this one is really bad and someone needs to be the example because this shit is out of control! So far, no proof of wrongdoing by Joe Biden.  Johnson and other republicans acknowledge they couldn't confirm whether unverified FBI document claiming Ukraine bribes is true according to Associated press.  For years, claims have been scrutinized by Trump justice department, Trump appointed attorney and impeachment trial of Trump.  They have already been found to lack credibility.  White house say republicans are playing shameless, dishonest politics and refuse to let truth get in the way of smearing Biden.
    LOL. You guys and your Trump. So let me get this straight. You only believe FBI documents that accuse Trump of something, even the crap already proven to be lies, and now the liars get caught and you still give them the benefit of doubt? Wow you're blinded by your politics because you sound rather silly.

    Anyway, these FBI documents, you know coming from the same FBI that has aided the elites to get Joe elected (so they could all get wealthier, now need to be verified? LMFAO. Dude wake up! Joe has been caught red handed and the only way he'll get out of this is if people like you put politics ahead of what is right. Send him and the rest of the traitors in Congress (red or blue) to prison for life.

    And do yourself a favor, stop reading state censored media. They are very easy to find these days because they don't have a comments section any longer. They don't want to allow discussion, because they don't want people to find out the truth.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2023 - 9:52 AM ET #254

    WASHINGTON — The mystery of who brought cocaine into the White House remains unsolved. The Secret Service investigation has concluded with no usable forensic or video evidence identifying the person responsible, three Secret Service officials familiar with the investigation said.

    The small plastic baggie with a powdered substance — which was found in a storage cubby at the White House on a Sunday evening this month — was subjected to advanced testing and examined at two federal labs, but no usable fingerprints or DNA were detected, the officials said

    The Secret Service received results Wednesday from tests conducted by the FBI, “which did not develop latent fingerprints and insufficient DNA was present for investigative comparisons,” the Secret Service said in a statement Thursday. Security camera video was also reviewed, but "[t]here was no surveillance video footage that produced investigative leads," the agency said.

    Without that kind of physical evidence, the investigation has run out of road.

    "The investigation will not be able to single out a person of interest from the hundreds of individuals who passed through the vestibule where the cocaine was discovered," Secret Service officials said.

    A source familiar with the investigation said that “the leading theory is that the substance belonged to one of hundreds of visitors who traveled through the building over the weekend.”

    Secret Service representatives briefed members of the House Oversight and Homeland Security committees on Capitol Hill on Thursday after lawmakers requested answers on the probe and security protocols at the White House.

    CNN first reported that the investigation had concluded without finding a suspect.

    The unusual breach of White House security was found July 2 when a uniformed Secret Service officer spotted a small plastic baggie in a storage cubby at the West Executive Avenue entrance on the ground level. Visitors, contractors, military personnel and staff members use the storage cubbies to drop off electronic devices and personal items not permitted in some areas of the West Wing. The vestibule is near the Situation Room, which is out of service for renovations; an alternative secure meeting room is being used for classified briefings during construction.

    Before the investigation concluded, national security adviser Jake Sullivan told reporters, “The only people coming in and going out of the Sit Room in this period have been workers who are getting it ready to go.”

    The entrance is near where some vehicles, like the vice president’s limo or SUV, park. It is one floor below the main West Wing offices and on the same floor as the Situation Room and a dining area.

    White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre described the location as “highly traveled,” saying, “West Wing visitors come through this particular area.” She said staff-led tours were held Friday, Saturday and Sunday before the drug was found.

    Kelly O'Donnell

    Kelly O’Donnell is Senior White House correspondent for NBC News.

    Rebecca Shabad
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    WASHINGTON — The mystery of who brought cocaine into the White House remains unsolved. The Secret Service investigation has concluded with no usable forensic or video evidence identifying the person responsible, three Secret Service officials familiar with the investigation said.

    The small plastic baggie with a powdered substance — which was found in a storage cubby at the White House on a Sunday evening this month — was subjected to advanced testing and examined at two federal labs, but no usable fingerprints or DNA were detected, the officials said

    The Secret Service received results Wednesday from tests conducted by the FBI, “which did not develop latent fingerprints and insufficient DNA was present for investigative comparisons,” the Secret Service said in a statement Thursday. Security camera video was also reviewed, but "[t]here was no surveillance video footage that produced investigative leads," the agency said.

    Without that kind of physical evidence, the investigation has run out of road.

    "The investigation will not be able to single out a person of interest from the hundreds of individuals who passed through the vestibule where the cocaine was discovered," Secret Service officials said.

    A source familiar with the investigation said that “the leading theory is that the substance belonged to one of hundreds of visitors who traveled through the building over the weekend.”

    Secret Service representatives briefed members of the House Oversight and Homeland Security committees on Capitol Hill on Thursday after lawmakers requested answers on the probe and security protocols at the White House.

    CNN first reported that the investigation had concluded without finding a suspect.

    The unusual breach of White House security was found July 2 when a uniformed Secret Service officer spotted a small plastic baggie in a storage cubby at the West Executive Avenue entrance on the ground level. Visitors, contractors, military personnel and staff members use the storage cubbies to drop off electronic devices and personal items not permitted in some areas of the West Wing. The vestibule is near the Situation Room, which is out of service for renovations; an alternative secure meeting room is being used for classified briefings during construction.

    Before the investigation concluded, national security adviser Jake Sullivan told reporters, “The only people coming in and going out of the Sit Room in this period have been workers who are getting it ready to go.”

    The entrance is near where some vehicles, like the vice president’s limo or SUV, park. It is one floor below the main West Wing offices and on the same floor as the Situation Room and a dining area.

    White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre described the location as “highly traveled,” saying, “West Wing visitors come through this particular area.” She said staff-led tours were held Friday, Saturday and Sunday before the drug was found.

    Kelly O'Donnell

    Kelly O’Donnell is Senior White House correspondent for NBC News.

    Rebecca Shabad
    Rebecca Shabad is a politics reporter for NBC News based in Washington.

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2023 - 9:57 AM ET #255

    Makes you all warm and fuzzy huh?

    Secret service could bust a coke deal if it happened in the west wing of thebwhite house....

    With the assistance of t he FBI.  

     

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    Makes you all warm and fuzzy huh?

    Secret service could bust a coke deal if it happened in the west wing of thebwhite house....

    With the assistance of t he FBI.  

     

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2023 - 9:57 AM ET #256

    Damn, just like the pipe bombs on Jan 6th. Just can't figure who done it. 

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    Damn, just like the pipe bombs on Jan 6th. Just can't figure who done it. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2023 - 10:00 AM ET #257

    All those guys are paid from your wages...

    Yup me as well, I give alot to the feds in payroll have to appreciate how these individuals keep their salaried positions at times boys... just makes me wonder....

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    All those guys are paid from your wages...

    Yup me as well, I give alot to the feds in payroll have to appreciate how these individuals keep their salaried positions at times boys... just makes me wonder....

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2023 - 10:02 AM ET #258

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    oh boy another one blinded by politics. come on dude. if this was Trump would you need verification?

    How about u show me the documents where he escalated the "Insurrection" ROFL. You won't be able to because he actually has proof that he asked for 10,000 national guards troops but that request wasn't passed along. WHY DON"T YOU FIND OUT WHO STOPPED IT? Could it possibly be the same people that told the ARMED cops to stand down and the same guys who created a one sided committee to find him guilty? ah u don't care right, because you just want to silence Trump because your handlers (the elites) are indirectly telling him to shut up (and by all means just allow them to get rich).

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    oh boy another one blinded by politics. come on dude. if this was Trump would you need verification?

    How about u show me the documents where he escalated the "Insurrection" ROFL. You won't be able to because he actually has proof that he asked for 10,000 national guards troops but that request wasn't passed along. WHY DON"T YOU FIND OUT WHO STOPPED IT? Could it possibly be the same people that told the ARMED cops to stand down and the same guys who created a one sided committee to find him guilty? ah u don't care right, because you just want to silence Trump because your handlers (the elites) are indirectly telling him to shut up (and by all means just allow them to get rich).

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2023 - 10:03 AM ET #259

    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Damn, just like the pipe bombs on Jan 6th. Just can't figure who done it.
    an_roll_laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    Damn, just like the pipe bombs on Jan 6th. Just can't figure who done it.
    an_roll_laugh

     
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    So Trump goes through impeachment proceedings for questioning Zelensky on Biden and Burisma. 

    Makes a lot of sense now. an_light

    And then Trump goes through another impeachment questioning the election. Hmmmm.

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    So Trump goes through impeachment proceedings for questioning Zelensky on Biden and Burisma. 

    Makes a lot of sense now. an_light

    And then Trump goes through another impeachment questioning the election. Hmmmm.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2023 - 10:10 AM ET #261

    Like having a gal friend that when you question her, if her answer is to blow up in your face, you know she is guilty. 

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    Like having a gal friend that when you question her, if her answer is to blow up in your face, you know she is guilty. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    So Trump goes through impeachment proceedings for questioning Zelensky on Biden and Burisma.  Makes a lot of sense now.  And then Trump goes through another impeachment questioning the election. Hmmmm.

    Simply put! and Hmmmm is right!

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    Quote Originally Posted by UNIMAN:

    So Trump goes through impeachment proceedings for questioning Zelensky on Biden and Burisma.  Makes a lot of sense now.  And then Trump goes through another impeachment questioning the election. Hmmmm.

    Simply put! and Hmmmm is right!

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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2023 - 12:51 PM ET #263

    Quote Originally Posted by nostradumbass:

    @DeezyAZ81 oh boy another one blinded by politics. come on dude. if this was Trump would you need verification? How about u show me the documents where he escalated the "Insurrection" ROFL. You won't be able to because he actually has proof that he asked for 10,000 national guards troops but that request wasn't passed along. WHY DON"T YOU FIND OUT WHO STOPPED IT? Could it possibly be the same people that told the ARMED cops to stand down and the same guys who created a one sided committee to find him guilty? ah u don't care right, because you just want to silence Trump because your handlers (the elites) are indirectly telling him to shut up (and by all means just allow them to get rich).

    Show you the documents??? Hahah. I actually watched the riots live on TV and Trump's statements 30 minutes- 1 hour before the riots and attacks on the Capitol. I do not need to see any documents. LOL LOL. Yet you claim you are not partisan. Hilarious. an_light Yeah Trump did nothing wrong, neither did the rioters. Am I right? That day was just a regular tour day correct? So lame. Who STOPPED IT? How about when was it Stopped? Yeah, Fat Donnie really stepped up and prevented violence and destruction. Hahaha. So blinded by love affair with Trump, you are incapable of being truthful. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by nostradumbass:

    @DeezyAZ81 oh boy another one blinded by politics. come on dude. if this was Trump would you need verification? How about u show me the documents where he escalated the "Insurrection" ROFL. You won't be able to because he actually has proof that he asked for 10,000 national guards troops but that request wasn't passed along. WHY DON"T YOU FIND OUT WHO STOPPED IT? Could it possibly be the same people that told the ARMED cops to stand down and the same guys who created a one sided committee to find him guilty? ah u don't care right, because you just want to silence Trump because your handlers (the elites) are indirectly telling him to shut up (and by all means just allow them to get rich).

    Show you the documents??? Hahah. I actually watched the riots live on TV and Trump's statements 30 minutes- 1 hour before the riots and attacks on the Capitol. I do not need to see any documents. LOL LOL. Yet you claim you are not partisan. Hilarious. an_light Yeah Trump did nothing wrong, neither did the rioters. Am I right? That day was just a regular tour day correct? So lame. Who STOPPED IT? How about when was it Stopped? Yeah, Fat Donnie really stepped up and prevented violence and destruction. Hahaha. So blinded by love affair with Trump, you are incapable of being truthful. 

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2023 - 12:59 PM ET #264

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     [Quote: Originally Posted by UNIMAN]The FBI document reflects the FBI's interview with a "highly credible" confidential human source (CHS) who detailed multiple meetings and conversations he or she had with a top executive ( Zlochevsky) of Ukrainian natural gas firm Burisma Holdings over the course of several years, starting in 2015. 

    You sure about this? Your fellow Republicans do not appear to back this statement. Nearly a dozen Republicans said they cannot verify the reliability or credibility of accounts of meetings, text messages, or mysterious recordings of the Bidens that no one can seem to find, read, or listen to. Hmmmmm. Does not sound too credible to the non-partisan. You would think these determined Republicans would be all over this evidence if it actually existed. peace_5 This FBI document has been around for months and still no trace of this concrete "evidence". an_light

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     [Quote: Originally Posted by UNIMAN]The FBI document reflects the FBI's interview with a "highly credible" confidential human source (CHS) who detailed multiple meetings and conversations he or she had with a top executive ( Zlochevsky) of Ukrainian natural gas firm Burisma Holdings over the course of several years, starting in 2015. 

    You sure about this? Your fellow Republicans do not appear to back this statement. Nearly a dozen Republicans said they cannot verify the reliability or credibility of accounts of meetings, text messages, or mysterious recordings of the Bidens that no one can seem to find, read, or listen to. Hmmmmm. Does not sound too credible to the non-partisan. You would think these determined Republicans would be all over this evidence if it actually existed. peace_5 This FBI document has been around for months and still no trace of this concrete "evidence". an_light

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2023 - 1:23 PM ET #265

    So the first question is; Why would Burisma pay Biden's over $10 million when the prosecutor Shokin was supposedly corrupt? Just pay Shokin off. Reading the imfamous Wikipedia;

    2015, Shokin became the prosecutor general, inheriting the investigation(Burisma). The Obama administration and other governments and non-governmental organizations soon became concerned that Shokin was not adequately pursuing corruption in Ukraine, was protecting the political elite, and was regarded as "an obstacle to anti-corruption efforts". Among other issues, he was slow-walking the investigation into Zlochevsky and Burisma and, according to Zlochevsky's allies, using the threat of prosecution to try to solicit bribes from Mr. Zlochevsky and his team – to the extent that Obama officials were considering launching their own criminal investigation into the company for possible money laundering.

    Then we have this; Shokin himself claimed in May 2019 that he had been investigating Burisma Holdings.  This claim was supported by testimony Shokin provided on September 4, 2019 for an Austrian court. Testifying in support of his prior claims of investigating Burisma Holdings, Shokin, in a sworn affidavit dated September 4, 2019 for a court in Austria, stated that "The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings, a natural gas firm active in Ukraine and Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors." Shokin continued, stating that, "On several occasions President Poroshenko asked me to have a look at the criminal case against Burisma and consider the possibility of winding down the investigative actions in respect of this company, but I refused to close this investigation."

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    So the first question is; Why would Burisma pay Biden's over $10 million when the prosecutor Shokin was supposedly corrupt? Just pay Shokin off. Reading the imfamous Wikipedia;

    2015, Shokin became the prosecutor general, inheriting the investigation(Burisma). The Obama administration and other governments and non-governmental organizations soon became concerned that Shokin was not adequately pursuing corruption in Ukraine, was protecting the political elite, and was regarded as "an obstacle to anti-corruption efforts". Among other issues, he was slow-walking the investigation into Zlochevsky and Burisma and, according to Zlochevsky's allies, using the threat of prosecution to try to solicit bribes from Mr. Zlochevsky and his team – to the extent that Obama officials were considering launching their own criminal investigation into the company for possible money laundering.

    Then we have this; Shokin himself claimed in May 2019 that he had been investigating Burisma Holdings.  This claim was supported by testimony Shokin provided on September 4, 2019 for an Austrian court. Testifying in support of his prior claims of investigating Burisma Holdings, Shokin, in a sworn affidavit dated September 4, 2019 for a court in Austria, stated that "The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings, a natural gas firm active in Ukraine and Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors." Shokin continued, stating that, "On several occasions President Poroshenko asked me to have a look at the criminal case against Burisma and consider the possibility of winding down the investigative actions in respect of this company, but I refused to close this investigation."

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2023 - 1:27 PM ET #266

    So the Obama admin threatened to open a money laundering investigaton for a foreign gas company in Ukraine??

    Whatever happened to those Burisma investigations?????

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    So the Obama admin threatened to open a money laundering investigaton for a foreign gas company in Ukraine??

    Whatever happened to those Burisma investigations?????

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2023 - 2:39 PM ET #267

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     To me the issue really isnt Biden, it isnt Trump or Bush or Pelosi because I think so many are guilty, but the issue is that people are not really concerned with the crime or the deception. I would suggest the majority in society, on this site are only interested in validating and forwarding their political positions and beliefs, whatever that opportunity is they take it.

    So in this instance it is Hunter Biden and Joe, which in my opinion the dad is as hip deep as the kid is, the thought of Hunter doing all this crap and the dad not being involved or at least knowing of it I dont believe that is possible. Joe is in my opinion right there and maybe even more involved than we can imagine.

    That said..to me the issue completely is that this goes on all day every day with politicians, business leaders, common people and isnt that the real concern? Isnt the concern of breaking the law, committing a crime and taking advantage of others the point? That SHOULD be the point, but instead all you need to do is look on this very forum and you will see it littered with finger pointing threads for pages, partisan idiot speak for pages, thousands of messages of little to no value just made to validate and elevate a personal political position. So this thread attacking Biden is moronic, the threads attacking Trump are moronic, if the only purpose of communication is to fight and validate who the hell needs it? I find all these partisan insincere babbling conversations to be of little value especially when the posters making them attack and make personal abusive comments because they cannot control themselves.

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     To me the issue really isnt Biden, it isnt Trump or Bush or Pelosi because I think so many are guilty, but the issue is that people are not really concerned with the crime or the deception. I would suggest the majority in society, on this site are only interested in validating and forwarding their political positions and beliefs, whatever that opportunity is they take it.

    So in this instance it is Hunter Biden and Joe, which in my opinion the dad is as hip deep as the kid is, the thought of Hunter doing all this crap and the dad not being involved or at least knowing of it I dont believe that is possible. Joe is in my opinion right there and maybe even more involved than we can imagine.

    That said..to me the issue completely is that this goes on all day every day with politicians, business leaders, common people and isnt that the real concern? Isnt the concern of breaking the law, committing a crime and taking advantage of others the point? That SHOULD be the point, but instead all you need to do is look on this very forum and you will see it littered with finger pointing threads for pages, partisan idiot speak for pages, thousands of messages of little to no value just made to validate and elevate a personal political position. So this thread attacking Biden is moronic, the threads attacking Trump are moronic, if the only purpose of communication is to fight and validate who the hell needs it? I find all these partisan insincere babbling conversations to be of little value especially when the posters making them attack and make personal abusive comments because they cannot control themselves.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2023 - 4:18 PM ET #268

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     Funny when the shoe is on the other foot is becomes moronic. No, this thread nails it. I will keep posting news that the NYT, and all the rest, will never post. 

     

    What I see;

    "To me the issue really isnt Biden, it isnt Trump or Bush or Pelosi because I think so many are guilty, but the issue is that " "people are not really concerned with the crime or the deception" IF IT CONCERNS OUR TEAM.  

     

    And that includes the media. If "people" were not concerned with crime or the deception of politicians Trump would not be going through what he is going through. an_lightan_lightan_light

    And not just Biden, everyone who covered for him, FBI, DOJ, IRS, etc., etc.

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     Funny when the shoe is on the other foot is becomes moronic. No, this thread nails it. I will keep posting news that the NYT, and all the rest, will never post. 

     

    What I see;

    "To me the issue really isnt Biden, it isnt Trump or Bush or Pelosi because I think so many are guilty, but the issue is that " "people are not really concerned with the crime or the deception" IF IT CONCERNS OUR TEAM.  

     

    And that includes the media. If "people" were not concerned with crime or the deception of politicians Trump would not be going through what he is going through. an_lightan_lightan_light

    And not just Biden, everyone who covered for him, FBI, DOJ, IRS, etc., etc.

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2023 - 4:37 PM ET #269

    Uni... you can’t seem to see the forest through the trees.... your solution cut the trees for a better view of the forest.... now stop gulping through this and realize . What drives news.? Controversy, 

    What makes news feeds?

    What makes papers sell?

    What creates corporations to invest in sales in news networks known as advertising space?

    Thos is what shapes and molds news outlets narration of facts. Single divorced men age 45 to 65 os prime fox space promoting the NFL and viagra. 

    Where Rachel Maddow has a lock on ongyn pharmaceuticals pampers and summer eve...

    NFL MLB nba budeieser beer or Corona. 

    Oprah channel fabric softener.

    Golf network titles golf balls and clubs.

    See where I am going? Personally do you feel I care if hunter much less Joe Biden himself dud a line of coke ... more concerned he didn't clean up the plastic that is littering our oceans?

    Let me know of creates a crowd to storm the Capitol when Harris is certifying the fair and free election process... or he caught red handed with a bloody diaper in his hand...out sode of this their just people.... and nobody is perfect. 

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    Uni... you can’t seem to see the forest through the trees.... your solution cut the trees for a better view of the forest.... now stop gulping through this and realize . What drives news.? Controversy, 

    What makes news feeds?

    What makes papers sell?

    What creates corporations to invest in sales in news networks known as advertising space?

    Thos is what shapes and molds news outlets narration of facts. Single divorced men age 45 to 65 os prime fox space promoting the NFL and viagra. 

    Where Rachel Maddow has a lock on ongyn pharmaceuticals pampers and summer eve...

    NFL MLB nba budeieser beer or Corona. 

    Oprah channel fabric softener.

    Golf network titles golf balls and clubs.

    See where I am going? Personally do you feel I care if hunter much less Joe Biden himself dud a line of coke ... more concerned he didn't clean up the plastic that is littering our oceans?

    Let me know of creates a crowd to storm the Capitol when Harris is certifying the fair and free election process... or he caught red handed with a bloody diaper in his hand...out sode of this their just people.... and nobody is perfect. 

     
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     If politicians and business leaders were properly and reasonably prosecuted. Trump would be in jail long long ago.

    You are one of the most partisan people in this forum and my above message is for sure squarely for you.

     

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     If politicians and business leaders were properly and reasonably prosecuted. Trump would be in jail long long ago.

    You are one of the most partisan people in this forum and my above message is for sure squarely for you.

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by nostradumbass: @DeezyAZ81 oh boy another one blinded by politics. come on dude. if this was Trump would you need verification? How about u show me the documents where he escalated the "Insurrection" ROFL. You won't be able to because he actually has proof that he asked for 10,000 national guards troops but that request wasn't passed along. WHY DON"T YOU FIND OUT WHO STOPPED IT? Could it possibly be the same people that told the ARMED cops to stand down and the same guys who created a one sided committee to find him guilty? ah u don't care right, because you just want to silence Trump because your handlers (the elites) are indirectly telling him to shut up (and by all means just allow them to get rich). Show you the documents??? Hahah. I actually watched the riots live on TV and Trump's statements 30 minutes- 1 hour before the riots and attacks on the Capitol. I do not need to see any documents. LOL LOL. Yet you claim you are not partisan. Hilarious.  Yeah Trump did nothing wrong, neither did the rioters. Am I right? That day was just a regular tour day correct? So lame. Who STOPPED IT? How about when was it Stopped? Yeah, Fat Donnie really stepped up and prevented violence and destruction. Hahaha. So blinded by love affair with Trump, you are incapable of being truthful.
    I guess you aren’t very observant. The cops were armed, the “rioters” weren’t. ROFL. Good luck explaining that one because you will have NOTHING. Who told the cops to stand down? The only clue you get, it wasn’t the President. So go fish pal

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81:

    Quote Originally Posted by nostradumbass: @DeezyAZ81 oh boy another one blinded by politics. come on dude. if this was Trump would you need verification? How about u show me the documents where he escalated the "Insurrection" ROFL. You won't be able to because he actually has proof that he asked for 10,000 national guards troops but that request wasn't passed along. WHY DON"T YOU FIND OUT WHO STOPPED IT? Could it possibly be the same people that told the ARMED cops to stand down and the same guys who created a one sided committee to find him guilty? ah u don't care right, because you just want to silence Trump because your handlers (the elites) are indirectly telling him to shut up (and by all means just allow them to get rich). Show you the documents??? Hahah. I actually watched the riots live on TV and Trump's statements 30 minutes- 1 hour before the riots and attacks on the Capitol. I do not need to see any documents. LOL LOL. Yet you claim you are not partisan. Hilarious.  Yeah Trump did nothing wrong, neither did the rioters. Am I right? That day was just a regular tour day correct? So lame. Who STOPPED IT? How about when was it Stopped? Yeah, Fat Donnie really stepped up and prevented violence and destruction. Hahaha. So blinded by love affair with Trump, you are incapable of being truthful.
    I guess you aren’t very observant. The cops were armed, the “rioters” weren’t. ROFL. Good luck explaining that one because you will have NOTHING. Who told the cops to stand down? The only clue you get, it wasn’t the President. So go fish pal

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by nostradumbass:

    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by nostradumbass: @DeezyAZ81 oh boy another one blinded by politics. come on dude. if this was Trump would you need verification? How about u show me the documents where he escalated the "Insurrection" ROFL. You won't be able to because he actually has proof that he asked for 10,000 national guards troops but that request wasn't passed along. WHY DON"T YOU FIND OUT WHO STOPPED IT? Could it possibly be the same people that told the ARMED cops to stand down and the same guys who created a one sided committee to find him guilty? ah u don't care right, because you just want to silence Trump because your handlers (the elites) are indirectly telling him to shut up (and by all means just allow them to get rich). Show you the documents??? Hahah. I actually watched the riots live on TV and Trump's statements 30 minutes- 1 hour before the riots and attacks on the Capitol. I do not need to see any documents. LOL LOL. Yet you claim you are not partisan. Hilarious.  Yeah Trump did nothing wrong, neither did the rioters. Am I right? That day was just a regular tour day correct? So lame. Who STOPPED IT? How about when was it Stopped? Yeah, Fat Donnie really stepped up and prevented violence and destruction. Hahaha. So blinded by love affair with Trump, you are incapable of being truthful.I guess you aren’t very observant. The cops were armed, the “rioters” weren’t. ROFL. Good luck explaining that one because you will have NOTHING. Who told the cops to stand down? The only clue you get, it wasn’t the President. So go fish pal

    The only thing you are showing is that you are not very bright. I am not even sure what your argument is? confused

    I guess you do not understand that the Capitol Police were outnumbered by thousands, which is why they could not prevent the stampede against the building. Cops were armed with guns but I am sure they did not want to just start shooting a crowd of thousands of stampeders and cause more chaos and death. Instead, your buddy rioters were attacking police with American flag sticks, pepper spray, and tasers. You do realize the riots were on film don't you??? an_roll_laughNothing really to explain, just clear the partisanship from your eyes and open them. I know I didn't hear your favorite President Trump tell the rioters to stop threatening and chanting to hang Mike Pence. I wonder why that was???? Hmmmm. an_light

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeezyAZ81: Quote Originally Posted by nostradumbass: @DeezyAZ81 oh boy another one blinded by politics. come on dude. if this was Trump would you need verification? How about u show me the documents where he escalated the "Insurrection" ROFL. You won't be able to because he actually has proof that he asked for 10,000 national guards troops but that request wasn't passed along. WHY DON"T YOU FIND OUT WHO STOPPED IT? Could it possibly be the same people that told the ARMED cops to stand down and the same guys who created a one sided committee to find him guilty? ah u don't care right, because you just want to silence Trump because your handlers (the elites) are indirectly telling him to shut up (and by all means just allow them to get rich). Show you the documents??? Hahah. I actually watched the riots live on TV and Trump's statements 30 minutes- 1 hour before the riots and attacks on the Capitol. I do not need to see any documents. LOL LOL. Yet you claim you are not partisan. Hilarious.  Yeah Trump did nothing wrong, neither did the rioters. Am I right? That day was just a regular tour day correct? So lame. Who STOPPED IT? How about when was it Stopped? Yeah, Fat Donnie really stepped up and prevented violence and destruction. Hahaha. So blinded by love affair with Trump, you are incapable of being truthful.I guess you aren’t very observant. The cops were armed, the “rioters” weren’t. ROFL. Good luck explaining that one because you will have NOTHING. Who told the cops to stand down? The only clue you get, it wasn’t the President. So go fish pal

    The only thing you are showing is that you are not very bright. I am not even sure what your argument is? confused

    I guess you do not understand that the Capitol Police were outnumbered by thousands, which is why they could not prevent the stampede against the building. Cops were armed with guns but I am sure they did not want to just start shooting a crowd of thousands of stampeders and cause more chaos and death. Instead, your buddy rioters were attacking police with American flag sticks, pepper spray, and tasers. You do realize the riots were on film don't you??? an_roll_laughNothing really to explain, just clear the partisanship from your eyes and open them. I know I didn't hear your favorite President Trump tell the rioters to stop threatening and chanting to hang Mike Pence. I wonder why that was???? Hmmmm. an_light

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2023 - 6:33 PM ET #273

    We definitely live in a reverse world in which people can watch an event happen right in front of their own eyes, even on Fox news, and still deny it is happening like with January 6th. Wild times. an_light Trump supporters went from first the riots were Antifa trying to make them look bad, to the riots never happened, to the Democrats planned the riots somehow. an_roll_laugh

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    We definitely live in a reverse world in which people can watch an event happen right in front of their own eyes, even on Fox news, and still deny it is happening like with January 6th. Wild times. an_light Trump supporters went from first the riots were Antifa trying to make them look bad, to the riots never happened, to the Democrats planned the riots somehow. an_roll_laugh

     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2023 - 7:50 PM ET #274

    Let's see this from your side if such a situation arose.

    Joe Biden summons a man to lynch his vice president and destroy the ballot box creating a recertification process to begin....

    Every news outlet would be chanting simultaneously this is a hate crime as soon as the confederate flag flew in the dome....

    They would hammer Joe's testicle figurative to his desk if he thought of such a thing...

    No failed coop attempt is a plus on this score card..

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    Let's see this from your side if such a situation arose.

    Joe Biden summons a man to lynch his vice president and destroy the ballot box creating a recertification process to begin....

    Every news outlet would be chanting simultaneously this is a hate crime as soon as the confederate flag flew in the dome....

    They would hammer Joe's testicle figurative to his desk if he thought of such a thing...

    No failed coop attempt is a plus on this score card..

     
     
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    Posted: Jul. 22, 2023 - 8:25 PM ET #275

    Nobody told the crowd the vice president should be lynched. In fact I have often wondered why the builders of that gallows displayed in all the media were never found and prosecuted. Threating to kill a president or vice president is instant arrest. So where was the FBI? Tracing the materials used wouldn't be hard. And did you notice the rope was orange. Hmmm.

    And those pipe bombs. Hmmmm again. Got video, just can't find the perp.

    And that Ray Epps video, "We must enter the Capitol tomorrow." Whispering in a young man's ear right before the kid shoves a barrier into police. And Ray gets a handshake from Dems. Now thats a red flag. 

    Yet many idiots did push through even tho Trump said march peacefully and those who used pepper spray and whatever deserve to get the same treatment as BLM protestors who attacked police, used lasers to blind, burned buildings and cars. Criminal actions are ciminal actions. Didn't Kamala help bail those folks out? And are we not seeing cashless bail throughout dem cities? No bail for Trump supporters gone bad though.

    And a woman crawling on her hands and knees shot dead by police. Was she a threat to anyones life? Of course not.

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    Nobody told the crowd the vice president should be lynched. In fact I have often wondered why the builders of that gallows displayed in all the media were never found and prosecuted. Threating to kill a president or vice president is instant arrest. So where was the FBI? Tracing the materials used wouldn't be hard. And did you notice the rope was orange. Hmmm.

    And those pipe bombs. Hmmmm again. Got video, just can't find the perp.

    And that Ray Epps video, "We must enter the Capitol tomorrow." Whispering in a young man's ear right before the kid shoves a barrier into police. And Ray gets a handshake from Dems. Now thats a red flag. 

    Yet many idiots did push through even tho Trump said march peacefully and those who used pepper spray and whatever deserve to get the same treatment as BLM protestors who attacked police, used lasers to blind, burned buildings and cars. Criminal actions are ciminal actions. Didn't Kamala help bail those folks out? And are we not seeing cashless bail throughout dem cities? No bail for Trump supporters gone bad though.

    And a woman crawling on her hands and knees shot dead by police. Was she a threat to anyones life? Of course not.

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