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    nature1970
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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2017 - 11:12 PM ET #1

    In a Maine to Nevada campaign event.
    Bernie is in campaign mode. Speaking of 
    Health reform. Corporate greed free college
    And his vision for America.
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    To remove first post, remove entire topic.
    In a Maine to Nevada campaign event.
    Bernie is in campaign mode. Speaking of 
    Health reform. Corporate greed free college
    And his vision for America.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 18, 2017 - 11:59 PM ET #2

    Bernie's vision of America ....Tuition-free college education....free universal health care....

    Why not vote for Bernie he's giving out free things ...but then you feel the burn when his
    budget would add $21 trillion to debt..............
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    Bernie's vision of America ....Tuition-free college education....free universal health care....

    Why not vote for Bernie he's giving out free things ...but then you feel the burn when his
    budget would add $21 trillion to debt..............
     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2017 - 12:44 AM ET #3

    Well at Sander's age I can see why he is going to need a good two year headstart on the 2020 field.
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    Well at Sander's age I can see why he is going to need a good two year headstart on the 2020 field.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2017 - 1:53 AM ET #4

    Bernie is touring with Democratic National Committee Chairman Tom Perez and Rep. Keith Ellison......The Three Marxist Amigos..... a Hispanic,, a Jeew and a Muslim..it looks like the Democrat party is Sanders’ party now...

    The Democrat party is going full bore socialist...they have become the party of flaming radicals................
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    Bernie is touring with Democratic National Committee Chairman Tom Perez and Rep. Keith Ellison......The Three Marxist Amigos..... a Hispanic,, a Jeew and a Muslim..it looks like the Democrat party is Sanders’ party now...

    The Democrat party is going full bore socialist...they have become the party of flaming radicals................
     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2017 - 2:13 AM ET #5

    Gillibrand will be the face of the party come 2020. But they will endorse a progressive agenda as usual.
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    Gillibrand will be the face of the party come 2020. But they will endorse a progressive agenda as usual.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2017 - 12:00 PM ET #6

    Bernie should of won the primary and like Trump he is not an established jack off. Is his views extreme yes. But that is where the party is now. If it fires up that parties base to challenge the status quo great this is a good thing.
    It is our ( apathy in the process that led is here.) Good the for a lot of new blood in congress from both parties aisles.

    s far as debt or taxes or any other manufactured crisis could care less.

    We spent 20 trillion more than we raised in revenue looking the other way.

    The entire notion we will run out of money is absurd
    We make the money. We distribute the money we tax the money everytime yte it changes hands. We will not ever be out of money
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    Bernie should of won the primary and like Trump he is not an established jack off. Is his views extreme yes. But that is where the party is now. If it fires up that parties base to challenge the status quo great this is a good thing.
    It is our ( apathy in the process that led is here.) Good the for a lot of new blood in congress from both parties aisles.

    s far as debt or taxes or any other manufactured crisis could care less.

    We spent 20 trillion more than we raised in revenue looking the other way.

    The entire notion we will run out of money is absurd
    We make the money. We distribute the money we tax the money everytime yte it changes hands. We will not ever be out of money
     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2017 - 1:23 PM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Bernie's vision of America ....Tuition-free college education....free universal health care....

    Why not vote for Bernie he's giving out free things ...but then you feel the burn when his
    budget would add $21 trillion to debt..............


    And how much will Trumps reduction to 15% tax for Corporations add to the debt???

    I just love it how Corporate Welfare gets a free pass.

    And don't give me this "Trickle Down BS".  The CEO to Worker Ratio was 42-1 in 1980.  Enter Reagan with his "Trickle Down Economics".  In 2015 the CEO to Worker Ratio was 325 -1.  775% increase for the 5%ers under the 1%ers Dictatorship.

    Not by any means endorsing Bernie but, please,

    GTFO

    ~~~~~ZOSO~~~~~
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

    Bernie's vision of America ....Tuition-free college education....free universal health care....

    Why not vote for Bernie he's giving out free things ...but then you feel the burn when his
    budget would add $21 trillion to debt..............


    And how much will Trumps reduction to 15% tax for Corporations add to the debt???

    I just love it how Corporate Welfare gets a free pass.

    And don't give me this "Trickle Down BS".  The CEO to Worker Ratio was 42-1 in 1980.  Enter Reagan with his "Trickle Down Economics".  In 2015 the CEO to Worker Ratio was 325 -1.  775% increase for the 5%ers under the 1%ers Dictatorship.

    Not by any means endorsing Bernie but, please,

    GTFO

     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2017 - 4:33 PM ET #8

    Trump should reduce the Corporate Tax Rate to Zero.
    You think corp. fukkks just pay the tax and whistle all the way to the bank? NO!!!! It's a cost of doing business and they add it to the price of the hamburger,automobile,or service rendered.
    Just like Kennedy,just like Reagan,reducing the tax rate stimulates econ. activity (created the Clinton surplus).
    That which is Taxed is Discouraged.  Workers pay and CEO pay has nothing to do with Corp. Tax Rate.
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    Trump should reduce the Corporate Tax Rate to Zero.
    You think corp. fukkks just pay the tax and whistle all the way to the bank? NO!!!! It's a cost of doing business and they add it to the price of the hamburger,automobile,or service rendered.
    Just like Kennedy,just like Reagan,reducing the tax rate stimulates econ. activity (created the Clinton surplus).
    That which is Taxed is Discouraged.  Workers pay and CEO pay has nothing to do with Corp. Tax Rate.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2017 - 5:36 PM ET #9

    The only thing Trump is going to do is make it easier for businesses to cheat on their taxes, which they're already doing in the first place, which will cause a shortfall under Trump's tax plan, which will cause problems with the budget and likely force Republicans to raise the debt ceiling quietly with the hope that nobody notices.
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    The only thing Trump is going to do is make it easier for businesses to cheat on their taxes, which they're already doing in the first place, which will cause a shortfall under Trump's tax plan, which will cause problems with the budget and likely force Republicans to raise the debt ceiling quietly with the hope that nobody notices.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2017 - 6:53 PM ET #10

    It would not matter. Same Congress same results a little less than nothing. Cause we borrow 4 months of spending every year year in year out. Republican led house senate and white house we will not balance the budget any better than when Obama sailed in to 1600 Pennsylvania ave. Same spending no new budget a lot of name calling and no results.... Way it fnn is. So do we cit social scarcity or defense? About the last question looks like granny going under the bus cause we are going to war again.
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    It would not matter. Same Congress same results a little less than nothing. Cause we borrow 4 months of spending every year year in year out. Republican led house senate and white house we will not balance the budget any better than when Obama sailed in to 1600 Pennsylvania ave. Same spending no new budget a lot of name calling and no results.... Way it fnn is. So do we cit social scarcity or defense? About the last question looks like granny going under the bus cause we are going to war again.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 19, 2017 - 7:05 PM ET #11

    You can not cut spending and raise taxes the budget will never balance.
    We can not grow the economy or slash spending alone we must increase taxes and cut spending. Republicans won't raise taxes and keep the Grover money coming for campaigns. And Republican led initiatives for any dollar saves the spend two on defense. So say they wipe out our elderly starve em to death.
    We spend.a trillion all on defense
    Defense of what? A system that. An not take care of their most. Vulnerable
    Might as well be Russians.
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    You can not cut spending and raise taxes the budget will never balance.
    We can not grow the economy or slash spending alone we must increase taxes and cut spending. Republicans won't raise taxes and keep the Grover money coming for campaigns. And Republican led initiatives for any dollar saves the spend two on defense. So say they wipe out our elderly starve em to death.
    We spend.a trillion all on defense
    Defense of what? A system that. An not take care of their most. Vulnerable
    Might as well be Russians.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2017 - 2:15 AM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by 666LES:

    Trump should reduce the Corporate Tax Rate to Zero.
    You think corp. fukkks just pay the tax and whistle all the way to the bank? NO!!!! It's a cost of doing business and they add it to the price of the hamburger,automobile,or service rendered.
    Just like Kennedy,just like Reagan,reducing the tax rate stimulates econ. activity (created the Clinton surplus).
    That which is Taxed is Discouraged.  Workers pay and CEO pay has nothing to do with Corp. Tax Rate.




    We need to spend more time and effort on measures that decrease the cost of living. That has more than doubled in the last 30 years and is the biggest hurdle we have to achieve success.

    I don't like CEO salary's either but I don't know how you legislate how much someone can be paid at the top.

    I also don't think ANYONE should be taxed more than 40% on income or 15% on Capital gains (Investment income that has already been taxed)

    Doesn't help that millions of our dollars get exported to Central and South America everyday by immigrant workers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 666LES:

    Trump should reduce the Corporate Tax Rate to Zero.
    You think corp. fukkks just pay the tax and whistle all the way to the bank? NO!!!! It's a cost of doing business and they add it to the price of the hamburger,automobile,or service rendered.
    Just like Kennedy,just like Reagan,reducing the tax rate stimulates econ. activity (created the Clinton surplus).
    That which is Taxed is Discouraged.  Workers pay and CEO pay has nothing to do with Corp. Tax Rate.




    We need to spend more time and effort on measures that decrease the cost of living. That has more than doubled in the last 30 years and is the biggest hurdle we have to achieve success.

    I don't like CEO salary's either but I don't know how you legislate how much someone can be paid at the top.

    I also don't think ANYONE should be taxed more than 40% on income or 15% on Capital gains (Investment income that has already been taxed)

    Doesn't help that millions of our dollars get exported to Central and South America everyday by immigrant workers.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by 666LES:

    Trump should reduce the Corporate Tax Rate to Zero.
    You think corp. fukkks just pay the tax and whistle all the way to the bank? NO!!!! It's a cost of doing business and they add it to the price of the hamburger,automobile,or service rendered.
    Just like Kennedy,just like Reagan,reducing the tax rate stimulates econ. activity (created the Clinton surplus).
    That which is Taxed is Discouraged.  Workers pay and CEO pay has nothing to do with Corp. Tax Rate.


    Oh, yes, you're absolutely correct.

    It's been proven time and time again that the Corporate Fukks keep the profits at the top and NOTHING trickles down to the workers.  You actually going to sit there with a straight face and tell us the Middle Class has NOT been systematically assassinated over the last half century?

    PLEEEEEZE.  
    ~~~~~ZOSO~~~~~
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    Quote Originally Posted by 666LES:

    Trump should reduce the Corporate Tax Rate to Zero.
    You think corp. fukkks just pay the tax and whistle all the way to the bank? NO!!!! It's a cost of doing business and they add it to the price of the hamburger,automobile,or service rendered.
    Just like Kennedy,just like Reagan,reducing the tax rate stimulates econ. activity (created the Clinton surplus).
    That which is Taxed is Discouraged.  Workers pay and CEO pay has nothing to do with Corp. Tax Rate.


    Oh, yes, you're absolutely correct.

    It's been proven time and time again that the Corporate Fukks keep the profits at the top and NOTHING trickles down to the workers.  You actually going to sit there with a straight face and tell us the Middle Class has NOT been systematically assassinated over the last half century?

    PLEEEEEZE.  
     
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    Posted: Apr. 20, 2017 - 10:10 PM ET #14

    Well Bernie called the candidate for the 6th district in Georgia not progressive enough. So I had to find out about dem osloff . He seems to be a moderate. When pressed on CNN he stated " leadership in the house is not my concern . I am concentrates on the citizens in my district. To hear him on CNN he seemed like a sensible moderate parroting rand Paul.
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    Well Bernie called the candidate for the 6th district in Georgia not progressive enough. So I had to find out about dem osloff . He seems to be a moderate. When pressed on CNN he stated " leadership in the house is not my concern . I am concentrates on the citizens in my district. To hear him on CNN he seemed like a sensible moderate parroting rand Paul.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2017 - 12:09 PM ET #15

    The dems are so pissed Trump won they're trying to force Ossoff down people's throats


    By the way Bernie Sanders the man who sold his supporters to Hillary Clinton for 30 pieces of silver

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    The dems are so pissed Trump won they're trying to force Ossoff down people's throats


    By the way Bernie Sanders the man who sold his supporters to Hillary Clinton for 30 pieces of silver

     
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2017 - 1:47 PM ET #16

    I'd rather watch Bernie on tour than kid rock.
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    I'd rather watch Bernie on tour than kid rock.
     
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    Posted: Apr. 22, 2017 - 2:02 PM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    I'd rather watch Bernie on tour than kid rock.

    I'll pray for your soul

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    I'd rather watch Bernie on tour than kid rock.

    I'll pray for your soul

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by packers1992:

    I'll pray for your soul


    don't waste your time. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by packers1992:

    I'll pray for your soul


    don't waste your time. 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:



    Oh, yes, you're absolutely correct.

    It's been proven time and time again that the Corporate Fukks keep the profits at the top and NOTHING trickles down to the workers.  You actually going to sit there with a straight face and tell us the Middle Class has NOT been systematically assassinated over the last half century?

    PLEEEEEZE.  

    This is 100% correct, I dont understand how anyone can feel sympathy for corporations when the balance of wealth keeps shifting more and more and more. Even 50 yrs ago it was bad but it for sure is not getting better.

    Think of what the next 30 years will bring with inflation never stopping and savings getting smaller and smaller...who is going to foot the bill when the next generation coming up have no retirement savings and are not prepared?

    Small businesses are not the topic either, the control of wealth and power is from the mid to large corp behemoths and they control the government and are evaporating the middle class more and more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:



    Oh, yes, you're absolutely correct.

    It's been proven time and time again that the Corporate Fukks keep the profits at the top and NOTHING trickles down to the workers.  You actually going to sit there with a straight face and tell us the Middle Class has NOT been systematically assassinated over the last half century?

    PLEEEEEZE.  

    This is 100% correct, I dont understand how anyone can feel sympathy for corporations when the balance of wealth keeps shifting more and more and more. Even 50 yrs ago it was bad but it for sure is not getting better.

    Think of what the next 30 years will bring with inflation never stopping and savings getting smaller and smaller...who is going to foot the bill when the next generation coming up have no retirement savings and are not prepared?

    Small businesses are not the topic either, the control of wealth and power is from the mid to large corp behemoths and they control the government and are evaporating the middle class more and more.
     
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    Wally:

    Thank you.

    "Small businesses are not the topic either, the control of wealth and power is from the mid to large corp behemoths and they control the government and are evaporating the middle class more and more".

    Could not have said it better myself. 
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    Wally:

    Thank you.

    "Small businesses are not the topic either, the control of wealth and power is from the mid to large corp behemoths and they control the government and are evaporating the middle class more and more".

    Could not have said it better myself. 
     
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    Goose I'll bet you get the same argument I get when you bring up the topic of "corporate welfare" and that is well they create jobs. Don't know how many times I have to correct my right wing friends that demand creates jobs not companies.
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    Goose I'll bet you get the same argument I get when you bring up the topic of "corporate welfare" and that is well they create jobs. Don't know how many times I have to correct my right wing friends that demand creates jobs not companies.
     
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    Large corporations do not create jobs they make as many in ovations to streamline production and remove labor costs . they once were largest employers now small businesses hire more people then all large corporations
    Warren buffets corporation Berkshire hath way had a great run of it it personally fired more Americans than any other then they bought the property left behind by the broken dreams of former mortgage holders.
    They buy assets cannibalize companies sell the machinery to other nations and USA government gives him huge tax cits to do it. Its a mockery.
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    Large corporations do not create jobs they make as many in ovations to streamline production and remove labor costs . they once were largest employers now small businesses hire more people then all large corporations
    Warren buffets corporation Berkshire hath way had a great run of it it personally fired more Americans than any other then they bought the property left behind by the broken dreams of former mortgage holders.
    They buy assets cannibalize companies sell the machinery to other nations and USA government gives him huge tax cits to do it. Its a mockery.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    Goose I'll bet you get the same argument I get when you bring up the topic of "corporate welfare" and that is well they create jobs. Don't know how many times I have to correct my right wing friends that demand creates jobs not companies.




    Millenniums have absolutely no fukking clue.  Let me give you the following example.

    I worked twenty years in a Teamster Food Warehouse from 1978 to 1998. Why twenty years?  So that I had twenty years vested retirement.  Golden.  Untouchable.

    Fast forward from 1978 almost 40 years to 2017.  You will not believe what has happened to the American worker.

    I had the opportunity to drive a "friend of a friend" to his workplace last week.  He works in the exact Food Warehouse that I left twenty years ago. He works the exact same job I did, Order Selector, Foklift driver, some 20+ years ago. 

    My rate of pay when I left was $19.25 / hr in 1998.  His rate of pay is $16.00 / hr in 2017.  The Union has long since been busted and through a company approved "incentive program", meaning he can work extra fast, he hustles and makes $21 / hr.  He does not wear steel toe boots (as per OSHA when I left) but rather sneakers so he can move faster.

    20+ years of worker and worker safety down the toilet.

    Beautiful.  Just Beautiful.


    ~~~~~ZOSO~~~~~
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:

    Goose I'll bet you get the same argument I get when you bring up the topic of "corporate welfare" and that is well they create jobs. Don't know how many times I have to correct my right wing friends that demand creates jobs not companies.




    Millenniums have absolutely no fukking clue.  Let me give you the following example.

    I worked twenty years in a Teamster Food Warehouse from 1978 to 1998. Why twenty years?  So that I had twenty years vested retirement.  Golden.  Untouchable.

    Fast forward from 1978 almost 40 years to 2017.  You will not believe what has happened to the American worker.

    I had the opportunity to drive a "friend of a friend" to his workplace last week.  He works in the exact Food Warehouse that I left twenty years ago. He works the exact same job I did, Order Selector, Foklift driver, some 20+ years ago. 

    My rate of pay when I left was $19.25 / hr in 1998.  His rate of pay is $16.00 / hr in 2017.  The Union has long since been busted and through a company approved "incentive program", meaning he can work extra fast, he hustles and makes $21 / hr.  He does not wear steel toe boots (as per OSHA when I left) but rather sneakers so he can move faster.

    20+ years of worker and worker safety down the toilet.

    Beautiful.  Just Beautiful.


     
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:





    Millenniums have absolutely no fukking clue.  Let me give you the following example.

    I worked twenty years in a Teamster Food Warehouse from 1978 to 1998. Why twenty years?  So that I had twenty years vested retirement.  Golden.  Untouchable.

    Fast forward from 1978 almost 40 years to 2017.  You will not believe what has happened to the American worker.

    I had the opportunity to drive a "friend of a friend" to his workplace last week.  He works in the exact Food Warehouse that I left twenty years ago. He works the exact same job I did, Order Selector, Foklift driver, some 20+ years ago. 

    My rate of pay when I left was $19.25 / hr in 1998.  His rate of pay is $16.00 / hr in 2017.  The Union has long since been busted and through a company approved "incentive program", meaning he can work extra fast, he hustles and makes $21 / hr.  He does not wear steel toe boots (as per OSHA when I left) but rather sneakers so he can move faster.

    20+ years of worker and worker safety down the toilet.

    Beautiful.  Just Beautiful.




    The solution:

    Strive to be a Corporate Fukk and not a Foklift driver  ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheGoldenGoose:





    Millenniums have absolutely no fukking clue.  Let me give you the following example.

    I worked twenty years in a Teamster Food Warehouse from 1978 to 1998. Why twenty years?  So that I had twenty years vested retirement.  Golden.  Untouchable.

    Fast forward from 1978 almost 40 years to 2017.  You will not believe what has happened to the American worker.

    I had the opportunity to drive a "friend of a friend" to his workplace last week.  He works in the exact Food Warehouse that I left twenty years ago. He works the exact same job I did, Order Selector, Foklift driver, some 20+ years ago. 

    My rate of pay when I left was $19.25 / hr in 1998.  His rate of pay is $16.00 / hr in 2017.  The Union has long since been busted and through a company approved "incentive program", meaning he can work extra fast, he hustles and makes $21 / hr.  He does not wear steel toe boots (as per OSHA when I left) but rather sneakers so he can move faster.

    20+ years of worker and worker safety down the toilet.

    Beautiful.  Just Beautiful.




    The solution:

    Strive to be a Corporate Fukk and not a Foklift driver  ...
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    The solution:

    Strive to be a Corporate Fukk and not a Foklift driver  ...


    I have my Dignity and my Morals Sir. 
    ~~~~~ZOSO~~~~~
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    Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:



    The solution:

    Strive to be a Corporate Fukk and not a Foklift driver  ...


    I have my Dignity and my Morals Sir. 
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