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    2018 will be a bloodbath for the GOP. But I guess taking HCare away for "Freedom" was more important

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    Posted: May. 6, 2017 - 11:55 AM ET #26

    The following is a good read regarding the repeal of Obamacare. Evidently there is 1 trillion in tax cuts and defunds Planned Parenthood by 86%

    https://allnewspipeline.com/Old_And_New_Media_Healthcare.php
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    The following is a good read regarding the repeal of Obamacare. Evidently there is 1 trillion in tax cuts and defunds Planned Parenthood by 86%

    https://allnewspipeline.com/Old_And_New_Media_Healthcare.php
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2017 - 12:07 PM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by packers1992:

    The church and Christianity have been marginalized and defeated over the last 5-6 decades in this country. They've taken God out of the school the Court room hell IMO they've taken God out of Christianity. They've taken him off everything except the money and it hasn't been because they haven't tried. A silenced Church and a silenced Christian will be an incarcerated Christian

    The Church/Pastors/Preachers/Rabbis etc have the same right to speak out as any member of the LGBT community. Hell 3% of this country is LGBT and they've changed marriage and the bathrooms{Both not for the better} Imagine what the church and Christianity could change in America?

    Religious Liberty... what a bleeping concept! Maybe we can welcome God back to America


    Perhaps you should prove that God exists first. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by packers1992:

    The church and Christianity have been marginalized and defeated over the last 5-6 decades in this country. They've taken God out of the school the Court room hell IMO they've taken God out of Christianity. They've taken him off everything except the money and it hasn't been because they haven't tried. A silenced Church and a silenced Christian will be an incarcerated Christian

    The Church/Pastors/Preachers/Rabbis etc have the same right to speak out as any member of the LGBT community. Hell 3% of this country is LGBT and they've changed marriage and the bathrooms{Both not for the better} Imagine what the church and Christianity could change in America?

    Religious Liberty... what a bleeping concept! Maybe we can welcome God back to America


    Perhaps you should prove that God exists first. 
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2017 - 12:18 PM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:

    "Trump doesn't care about "Making America Great Again". He cares about his own bottom line and self interest, that's it. Nothing more, nothing less. "

    That is an opinion. 

    Trump and his entire family can live off of just the interest of even one billion dollars. He is 70. Yet you want to convince us that he is interested in making more money. Is this so he can live more comfortably in his 80s? So he gave up operation of an empire to run that AND the government, solely to benefit his brand name?

    He opely desires border security and military defense for his BRAND?

    Why would he put himself up against 40 million latinos and oppose illegal immigration and lax immigration enforcement? Why doesn't he just try become popular and go with the flow? Wouldn't that help his BRAND if he gave in to the wealthy Democrats?

    A lot of problems with your simple analysis that he is there to get rich off of the system, and help his buddies. The job is insane. There is no privacy. He donates his entire salary, too. 

    If Trump cared about America and Americans (especially American workers) why would he, and his daughter, make their clothing line in foreign countries? Wouldn't he want to make them here, at less of a profit, to benefit American workers? But he doesn't do that, because he cares about his bottom line. And their isn't anything inherently wrong about wanting your company to make as much profit as possible....until you claim that you care about American workers but then manufacture your very own clothing line outside of America. 

    I might actually be impressed that Trump is not taking his salary except that he is making WAY more than that by charging the federal government for visits to Mar-a-Lago all the time and protecting Trump Towers. Why isn't the First Lady living in the White House? I'm sure you complained about Obama's family traveling on the tax payer dime. Why aren't you questioning these unnecessary expenses the Trump's are racking up already? But yeah, he is saving the government $1.6 million in salary over four years, all the while making that back and way more elsewhere. 

    Yes he is interested in making more money and his bottom line. If he wasn't, he would just live off the interest of what he inherited and "accumulated" over the years. 

    He didn't drain the swamp, he just recycled the toxic water. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:

    "Trump doesn't care about "Making America Great Again". He cares about his own bottom line and self interest, that's it. Nothing more, nothing less. "

    That is an opinion. 

    Trump and his entire family can live off of just the interest of even one billion dollars. He is 70. Yet you want to convince us that he is interested in making more money. Is this so he can live more comfortably in his 80s? So he gave up operation of an empire to run that AND the government, solely to benefit his brand name?

    He opely desires border security and military defense for his BRAND?

    Why would he put himself up against 40 million latinos and oppose illegal immigration and lax immigration enforcement? Why doesn't he just try become popular and go with the flow? Wouldn't that help his BRAND if he gave in to the wealthy Democrats?

    A lot of problems with your simple analysis that he is there to get rich off of the system, and help his buddies. The job is insane. There is no privacy. He donates his entire salary, too. 

    If Trump cared about America and Americans (especially American workers) why would he, and his daughter, make their clothing line in foreign countries? Wouldn't he want to make them here, at less of a profit, to benefit American workers? But he doesn't do that, because he cares about his bottom line. And their isn't anything inherently wrong about wanting your company to make as much profit as possible....until you claim that you care about American workers but then manufacture your very own clothing line outside of America. 

    I might actually be impressed that Trump is not taking his salary except that he is making WAY more than that by charging the federal government for visits to Mar-a-Lago all the time and protecting Trump Towers. Why isn't the First Lady living in the White House? I'm sure you complained about Obama's family traveling on the tax payer dime. Why aren't you questioning these unnecessary expenses the Trump's are racking up already? But yeah, he is saving the government $1.6 million in salary over four years, all the while making that back and way more elsewhere. 

    Yes he is interested in making more money and his bottom line. If he wasn't, he would just live off the interest of what he inherited and "accumulated" over the years. 

    He didn't drain the swamp, he just recycled the toxic water. 
     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2017 - 12:53 PM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:



    I see your point but I don't agree that church's would never have a vested interest in political outcomes.

    What if a particular church was against the death penalty? You think it'd be wrong for them to contribute to a candidate that is against it too?

    Other similar examples.

    No there are no similar examples, a church should have no political interactions especially since they are not for profit and are not taxed.

    See the whole concept of what you are suggesting should go as follows....

    Person goes to crazy fanatical church on sunday and goes home..

    Person votes, campaigns, interacts politically on their own without any church involvement.

    If you right wing supporters of this concept are being true to the Bible you would seriously consider what Christ did when he was on the earth...he had ZERO political involvement, none at all and his lone few references of politics is the exact OPPOSITE of what Trump did. In fact I really highly doubt a putz like Trump is religious at all...this is a political move to appease and get money.

    As usual its a disgusting move and it is right in line with his other decisions.

    If you guys really support this decision then you are not Christians, Christ did with his actions the exact opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wordsmyth:



    I see your point but I don't agree that church's would never have a vested interest in political outcomes.

    What if a particular church was against the death penalty? You think it'd be wrong for them to contribute to a candidate that is against it too?

    Other similar examples.

    No there are no similar examples, a church should have no political interactions especially since they are not for profit and are not taxed.

    See the whole concept of what you are suggesting should go as follows....

    Person goes to crazy fanatical church on sunday and goes home..

    Person votes, campaigns, interacts politically on their own without any church involvement.

    If you right wing supporters of this concept are being true to the Bible you would seriously consider what Christ did when he was on the earth...he had ZERO political involvement, none at all and his lone few references of politics is the exact OPPOSITE of what Trump did. In fact I really highly doubt a putz like Trump is religious at all...this is a political move to appease and get money.

    As usual its a disgusting move and it is right in line with his other decisions.

    If you guys really support this decision then you are not Christians, Christ did with his actions the exact opposite.

     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2017 - 12:58 PM ET #30

    Quote Originally Posted by packers1992:

    But there's no issue for that religious group with an erection for baby murdering called Planned Parenthood

    So you lose the point and start talking planned parenthood..nice one.

    And yes that same thing is in play, if a religious group is funding a politician or campaigning for any cause in a lobbyist kind of way it should not be allowed.

    Church activities should be kept channeled to their followers at the church and only at the church. What a member does outside the church is their right as an INDIVIDUAL, not as a member of that church...speaking politically here.

    Do you follow Christ's teachings and example or not?

    DJ said it correct and it has nothing to do with if he goes to church or not...Christ was about acceptance and understanding and if ANYONE in the history of man was a socialist, it was Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by packers1992:

    But there's no issue for that religious group with an erection for baby murdering called Planned Parenthood

    So you lose the point and start talking planned parenthood..nice one.

    And yes that same thing is in play, if a religious group is funding a politician or campaigning for any cause in a lobbyist kind of way it should not be allowed.

    Church activities should be kept channeled to their followers at the church and only at the church. What a member does outside the church is their right as an INDIVIDUAL, not as a member of that church...speaking politically here.

    Do you follow Christ's teachings and example or not?

    DJ said it correct and it has nothing to do with if he goes to church or not...Christ was about acceptance and understanding and if ANYONE in the history of man was a socialist, it was Christ.

     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2017 - 1:31 PM ET #31

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:

    Scal, are you a socialist? Was Obama better?

    Obama paid out TRILLIONS to "save the banks, because they're too big to fail.."Obama bailed out the banks with our tax dollars. It all but GUARANTEED him another term.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikecollins/2015/07/14/the-big-bank-bailout/#3a76ec2a2d83

    Obama allowed Big Pharma, Insurance Companies to TAKE OVER ACA when it was being drafted and enacted. They hoodwinked the public.

    Is Obama the Robin Hood you wish would Trump aspire to be?

    We are led by the wealthy, the elites, the connected. Society is still markedly better off under free market principles than being led by socialists who make the rich pay for free stuff for the underclasses.


    The question is, are you a socialist when it comes to certain issues.

    Do you support:

    Public Education

    Medicare

    Social Security.

    Or do you want all of that privatized?

    It's hilarious when the attacker doesn't even know they are attacking...themselves...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:

    Scal, are you a socialist? Was Obama better?

    Obama paid out TRILLIONS to "save the banks, because they're too big to fail.."Obama bailed out the banks with our tax dollars. It all but GUARANTEED him another term.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikecollins/2015/07/14/the-big-bank-bailout/#3a76ec2a2d83

    Obama allowed Big Pharma, Insurance Companies to TAKE OVER ACA when it was being drafted and enacted. They hoodwinked the public.

    Is Obama the Robin Hood you wish would Trump aspire to be?

    We are led by the wealthy, the elites, the connected. Society is still markedly better off under free market principles than being led by socialists who make the rich pay for free stuff for the underclasses.


    The question is, are you a socialist when it comes to certain issues.

    Do you support:

    Public Education

    Medicare

    Social Security.

    Or do you want all of that privatized?

    It's hilarious when the attacker doesn't even know they are attacking...themselves...

     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2017 - 1:35 PM ET #32

    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    No there are no similar examples, a church should have no political interactions especially since they are not for profit and are not taxed.

    See the whole concept of what you are suggesting should go as follows....

    Person goes to crazy fanatical church on sunday and goes home..

    Person votes, campaigns, interacts politically on their own without any church involvement.

    If you right wing supporters of this concept are being true to the Bible you would seriously consider what Christ did when he was on the earth...he had ZERO political involvement, none at all and his lone few references of politics is the exact OPPOSITE of what Trump did. In fact I really highly doubt a putz like Trump is religious at all...this is a political move to appease and get money.

    As usual its a disgusting move and it is right in line with his other decisions.

    If you guys really support this decision then you are not Christians, Christ did with his actions the exact opposite.

    Of course he's religious Wall.

    He's religious to the extent it personally or politically benefits him.

    It's nice to think you'll have eternal life because you were predestined to do so and it's also politically expedient to rope in all the Evangelicals/religious/anti-Muslim/anti-Jewish labeling yourself as a Christian.

    All the while, when asked, you can't quote a SINGLE Bible verse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


    No there are no similar examples, a church should have no political interactions especially since they are not for profit and are not taxed.

    See the whole concept of what you are suggesting should go as follows....

    Person goes to crazy fanatical church on sunday and goes home..

    Person votes, campaigns, interacts politically on their own without any church involvement.

    If you right wing supporters of this concept are being true to the Bible you would seriously consider what Christ did when he was on the earth...he had ZERO political involvement, none at all and his lone few references of politics is the exact OPPOSITE of what Trump did. In fact I really highly doubt a putz like Trump is religious at all...this is a political move to appease and get money.

    As usual its a disgusting move and it is right in line with his other decisions.

    If you guys really support this decision then you are not Christians, Christ did with his actions the exact opposite.

    Of course he's religious Wall.

    He's religious to the extent it personally or politically benefits him.

    It's nice to think you'll have eternal life because you were predestined to do so and it's also politically expedient to rope in all the Evangelicals/religious/anti-Muslim/anti-Jewish labeling yourself as a Christian.

    All the while, when asked, you can't quote a SINGLE Bible verse.

     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2017 - 1:37 PM ET #33

    [Quote: Originally Posted by packers1992]

    If it wasn't for irredeemable Christians like me and millions of others Trump wouldn't be president as he got 81% of the vote from born again christians. He told the religious leaders that he would work to repeal the Johnson Amendment as he should. We have cities where preachers can't preach on certain issues or have to give their sermons to be approved

    God Forbid WSC American be a country with Christian values and morals. Like it or not people voted against the Democrat agenda which is anti Christian, God,Jewish, Israel etc

    BTW The separation of church and state was to protect against a country or a state establishing its own religion

    Quit with the hysterical nonsense

    [/Quote]


    Don't forget white voters who voted for him and Mitt and McCain as a majority (and the white majority built in each election). That REALLy was the driver.

    But carry on.

    We're all getting a good laugh here.

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    [Quote: Originally Posted by packers1992]

    If it wasn't for irredeemable Christians like me and millions of others Trump wouldn't be president as he got 81% of the vote from born again christians. He told the religious leaders that he would work to repeal the Johnson Amendment as he should. We have cities where preachers can't preach on certain issues or have to give their sermons to be approved

    God Forbid WSC American be a country with Christian values and morals. Like it or not people voted against the Democrat agenda which is anti Christian, God,Jewish, Israel etc

    BTW The separation of church and state was to protect against a country or a state establishing its own religion

    Quit with the hysterical nonsense

    [/Quote]


    Don't forget white voters who voted for him and Mitt and McCain as a majority (and the white majority built in each election). That REALLy was the driver.

    But carry on.

    We're all getting a good laugh here.

     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2017 - 3:01 PM ET #34

    During a town hall meeting at Lewis-Clark state college in Lewiston,Idaho, a woman stood up to challenge congressman Raul Labrador (R-Idaho) over the "American Health Care Act" and Medicare cuts

    You are making a mandate that will kill people," said the woman

    Nobody dies because they don't have access to health care  - Labrador responded (
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQYCT2HEfhQ&t=860s

    A 2009 Harvard Medical study found that 45,000 Americans die a year due to lack of health coverage
    REF: https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

    I would not be surprised IF this guy got re-elected (Idaho has voted Democratic twice (1952 Eisenhower and 1964 Lyndon Johnson)

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    During a town hall meeting at Lewis-Clark state college in Lewiston,Idaho, a woman stood up to challenge congressman Raul Labrador (R-Idaho) over the "American Health Care Act" and Medicare cuts

    You are making a mandate that will kill people," said the woman

    Nobody dies because they don't have access to health care  - Labrador responded (
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQYCT2HEfhQ&t=860s

    A 2009 Harvard Medical study found that 45,000 Americans die a year due to lack of health coverage
    REF: https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

    I would not be surprised IF this guy got re-elected (Idaho has voted Democratic twice (1952 Eisenhower and 1964 Lyndon Johnson)

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:



    I would not be surprised IF this guy got re-elected (Idaho has voted Democratic twice (1952 Eisenhower and 1964 Lyndon Johnson)



    This is fake news..


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    Quote Originally Posted by ilsp2003:



    I would not be surprised IF this guy got re-elected (Idaho has voted Democratic twice (1952 Eisenhower and 1964 Lyndon Johnson)



    This is fake news..


     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2017 - 5:23 PM ET #36

    2017 and Scal is back to race-baiting

    And whether you like it or not Trump is a Christian

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    2017 and Scal is back to race-baiting

    And whether you like it or not Trump is a Christian

     
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    And whether you like it or not Trump is a Christian



    i'm glad i came in this thread just for this. 

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    And whether you like it or not Trump is a Christian



    i'm glad i came in this thread just for this. 

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by sicknesscity:

    Well, what really amazes me is that the Republicans haven't passed any bills to land on Trump's desk.  I remarked to my friend last night that I wonder what the hell I'd put the over/under at in terms of days because I can't believe they haven't passed a damn thing.  That's CRAZY!  They have all the power and for example, if they wanted to do something about immigration and the employers, they could pass a bill that issued severe penalties for hiring illegal immigrants and jail time as well.  However, they don't want to do that so they haven't done a thing about it. 

    I keep telling people that even if I believe the Republicans look like they can't govern, what matters is the quality of the candidates presented by Democrats and if they resonate well with the public in those areas, along with the number of seats to defend.  So yeah, they should really have a tactical advantage, but if they just put out a bunch of boring people who can't present themselves well, they'll go nowhere. 


    this is such a fundamental and important point but one that is ignored for obvious reasons.  republicans pander to their base about immigration and talk about throwing money at a wall and at more government (border security) and even more government (ice employees and jail space) but as you noted, if anyone really wanted to make a serious and lasting difference in our immigration issue, they would enforce the laws requiring employers to check immigration status and refuse to hire people who are not legal.  they don't and we all know why.

    i'm not saying we should do that (i agree with obama's policy, which is more of a bandaid than a solution).  these people are critical to our economy and keeping prices down in many critical segments, but that's the easiest answer and much easier to enforce than banging on doors looking for illegal immigrants.




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    Quote Originally Posted by sicknesscity:

    Well, what really amazes me is that the Republicans haven't passed any bills to land on Trump's desk.  I remarked to my friend last night that I wonder what the hell I'd put the over/under at in terms of days because I can't believe they haven't passed a damn thing.  That's CRAZY!  They have all the power and for example, if they wanted to do something about immigration and the employers, they could pass a bill that issued severe penalties for hiring illegal immigrants and jail time as well.  However, they don't want to do that so they haven't done a thing about it. 

    I keep telling people that even if I believe the Republicans look like they can't govern, what matters is the quality of the candidates presented by Democrats and if they resonate well with the public in those areas, along with the number of seats to defend.  So yeah, they should really have a tactical advantage, but if they just put out a bunch of boring people who can't present themselves well, they'll go nowhere. 


    this is such a fundamental and important point but one that is ignored for obvious reasons.  republicans pander to their base about immigration and talk about throwing money at a wall and at more government (border security) and even more government (ice employees and jail space) but as you noted, if anyone really wanted to make a serious and lasting difference in our immigration issue, they would enforce the laws requiring employers to check immigration status and refuse to hire people who are not legal.  they don't and we all know why.

    i'm not saying we should do that (i agree with obama's policy, which is more of a bandaid than a solution).  these people are critical to our economy and keeping prices down in many critical segments, but that's the easiest answer and much easier to enforce than banging on doors looking for illegal immigrants.




     
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    Quote Originally Posted by packers1992:

    2017 and Scal is back to race-baiting

    And whether you like it or not Trump is a Christian


    What does that mean exactly? Being a Christian does not mean much because the term is so generic.

    Is Trump even remotely close in characteristics to Christ? Absolutely not..

    Does Trump claim to be Christian for political purposes and for self benefit? Absolutely.

    How exactly is he a Christian, by going to church or saying he believes in Christ?

    I really think saying you are Christian is meaningless, it is a measure that does not have any purpose and in fact a true Christian does not worry about being called one.

    Trump is for sure not someone I respect and for sure not in any religious fashion. His sexist, smug pathetic comments and behavior for sure are not Christ like.

    So maybe to you he is, for me I first off dont care but he is not a religious person I would look up to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by packers1992:

    2017 and Scal is back to race-baiting

    And whether you like it or not Trump is a Christian


    What does that mean exactly? Being a Christian does not mean much because the term is so generic.

    Is Trump even remotely close in characteristics to Christ? Absolutely not..

    Does Trump claim to be Christian for political purposes and for self benefit? Absolutely.

    How exactly is he a Christian, by going to church or saying he believes in Christ?

    I really think saying you are Christian is meaningless, it is a measure that does not have any purpose and in fact a true Christian does not worry about being called one.

    Trump is for sure not someone I respect and for sure not in any religious fashion. His sexist, smug pathetic comments and behavior for sure are not Christ like.

    So maybe to you he is, for me I first off dont care but he is not a religious person I would look up to.
     
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    these guys hate carter who is probably 90+ and is still out there helping to build houses for poor people and as a president probably had fewer soldiers and people in general die than any of the recent president and love a guy like trump who is as selfish and privileged as it gets and talks about bombing people like he's playing a video game.  how you guys don't see that as such a poor reflection on your religion, i have no idea.
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    these guys hate carter who is probably 90+ and is still out there helping to build houses for poor people and as a president probably had fewer soldiers and people in general die than any of the recent president and love a guy like trump who is as selfish and privileged as it gets and talks about bombing people like he's playing a video game.  how you guys don't see that as such a poor reflection on your religion, i have no idea.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by packers1992:

    The church and Christianity have been marginalized and defeated over the last 5-6 decades in this country. They've taken God out of the school the Court room hell IMO they've taken God out of Christianity. They've taken him off everything except the money and it hasn't been because they haven't tried. A silenced Church and a silenced Christian will be an incarcerated Christian

    The Church/Pastors/Preachers/Rabbis etc have the same right to speak out as any member of the LGBT community. Hell 3% of this country is LGBT and they've changed marriage and the bathrooms{Both not for the better} Imagine what the church and Christianity could change in America?

    Religious Liberty... what a bleeping concept! Maybe we can welcome God back to America


    Tell me,how many times is "god" mentioned in the constitution? 
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    Quote Originally Posted by packers1992:

    The church and Christianity have been marginalized and defeated over the last 5-6 decades in this country. They've taken God out of the school the Court room hell IMO they've taken God out of Christianity. They've taken him off everything except the money and it hasn't been because they haven't tried. A silenced Church and a silenced Christian will be an incarcerated Christian

    The Church/Pastors/Preachers/Rabbis etc have the same right to speak out as any member of the LGBT community. Hell 3% of this country is LGBT and they've changed marriage and the bathrooms{Both not for the better} Imagine what the church and Christianity could change in America?

    Religious Liberty... what a bleeping concept! Maybe we can welcome God back to America


    Tell me,how many times is "god" mentioned in the constitution? 
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    Tell me,how many times is "god" mentioned in the constitution? 



    Text of Article VII, United States Constitution

    The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.

    The Word, "the," being interlined between the seventh and eighth Lines of the first Page, the Word "Thirty" being partly written on an Erazure in the fifteenth Line of the first Page, The Words "is tried" being interlined between the thirty second and thirty third Lines of the first Page and the Word "the" being interlined between the forty third and forty fourth Lines of the second Page.

    Attest William Jackson Secretary

    done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkhorse12:


    Tell me,how many times is "god" mentioned in the constitution? 



    Text of Article VII, United States Constitution

    The Ratification of the Conventions of nine States, shall be sufficient for the Establishment of this Constitution between the States so ratifying the Same.

    The Word, "the," being interlined between the seventh and eighth Lines of the first Page, the Word "Thirty" being partly written on an Erazure in the fifteenth Line of the first Page, The Words "is tried" being interlined between the thirty second and thirty third Lines of the first Page and the Word "the" being interlined between the forty third and forty fourth Lines of the second Page.

    Attest William Jackson Secretary

    done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven and of the Independance of the United States of America the Twelfth In witness whereof We have hereunto subscribed our Names,

    .....................

     
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    I dont care how he was raised, in fact it is my opinion that people raised in ultra-strict environments often act out in reaction to feeling repressed. 

    And yeah for 100% sure I think he is disingenuous, no question about it...yeah he is a total fraud and a phony, I think that for sure.

    But all this aside and the population is Christian and beliefs and blah blah blah...that isnt the point at all to me.

    I am Christian but that is in my home and to myself, I do not mix religion with work or politics. I let my beliefs shape what I think is important balanced with what I think matters most to society, even when I might not personally agree with the issue in question.

    The issue is separation of church and state..I firmly believe that is the right decision, the two should not mix and we should not allow religious NON-PROFIT groups to solicit for political favor or to back a candidate. 

    And if you are Christian, how could you not be socialist? If you are a true disciple/believer of Christ and followed his life and teachings, YOU are not Christian, Trump is not Christian, the MAJORITY of the public is not Christian....you get that right?

    So spare me the topic, you have to just admit to yourself that you really are not Christian in the pure sense of the word if you do not follow the concepts he taught and the life he lived...you and Trump and most people are recreational Sunday worshipers, which is totally fine but hearing you conservatives spew off Christian concepts and want prayer in schools and mixing politics and religion...you are not being Christ-like at all.


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    I dont care how he was raised, in fact it is my opinion that people raised in ultra-strict environments often act out in reaction to feeling repressed. 

    And yeah for 100% sure I think he is disingenuous, no question about it...yeah he is a total fraud and a phony, I think that for sure.

    But all this aside and the population is Christian and beliefs and blah blah blah...that isnt the point at all to me.

    I am Christian but that is in my home and to myself, I do not mix religion with work or politics. I let my beliefs shape what I think is important balanced with what I think matters most to society, even when I might not personally agree with the issue in question.

    The issue is separation of church and state..I firmly believe that is the right decision, the two should not mix and we should not allow religious NON-PROFIT groups to solicit for political favor or to back a candidate. 

    And if you are Christian, how could you not be socialist? If you are a true disciple/believer of Christ and followed his life and teachings, YOU are not Christian, Trump is not Christian, the MAJORITY of the public is not Christian....you get that right?

    So spare me the topic, you have to just admit to yourself that you really are not Christian in the pure sense of the word if you do not follow the concepts he taught and the life he lived...you and Trump and most people are recreational Sunday worshipers, which is totally fine but hearing you conservatives spew off Christian concepts and want prayer in schools and mixing politics and religion...you are not being Christ-like at all.


     
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    1. Trump was led to Christ by the preacher Paula White in 2011 or 2012 after watching her on tv for years

    2. He isn't open with his faith ala Tim Tebow  because if he was open about his faith during the election he wouldn't get 10% of the vote as American won't vote for a Christian who wears his/her faith on their sleeves

    3. In an interview Trump did he talked about how people over the years{most he's never met} mailed him bibles. In his Trump Tower apartment their is a room with 1,000 bibles in it

    4. I'm not going to decide who is and isn't a Christian. He isn't perfect but he who is without sin shall cast the 1st stone. God must have loved imperfect people because we are all imperfect

    I realize their are many out there who don't believe there is a God or a Jesus. But remember this: If you're right that there is no God no Jesus and the bible is a bunch of gobbeldy person..at the end of my life I LOST NOTHING. If i'm right and you're wrong YOU LOST EVERYTHING

    You know how I know he's a Christian? Look how they persecute and attack him from all sides They only do that to Christians. Because Trump is a threat to their good time. He's a threat to their way of life and how they have perverted this country. And like it or not deplorable Christians like me and millions of others are taking this country back and it starts with the Supreme Court

    Whats funny is those who make fun of us Christians you notice at some point they need us? They make fun of us and say "Look its the stupid Christians! Wave to the stupid Christians! Where's your God at?" They laugh at us....And then Sandy Hook happens. Or 9/11 or Orlando at the nightclub and where do they all go running? To the stupid Christians. But I thought we were idiots?


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    1. Trump was led to Christ by the preacher Paula White in 2011 or 2012 after watching her on tv for years

    2. He isn't open with his faith ala Tim Tebow  because if he was open about his faith during the election he wouldn't get 10% of the vote as American won't vote for a Christian who wears his/her faith on their sleeves

    3. In an interview Trump did he talked about how people over the years{most he's never met} mailed him bibles. In his Trump Tower apartment their is a room with 1,000 bibles in it

    4. I'm not going to decide who is and isn't a Christian. He isn't perfect but he who is without sin shall cast the 1st stone. God must have loved imperfect people because we are all imperfect

    I realize their are many out there who don't believe there is a God or a Jesus. But remember this: If you're right that there is no God no Jesus and the bible is a bunch of gobbeldy person..at the end of my life I LOST NOTHING. If i'm right and you're wrong YOU LOST EVERYTHING

    You know how I know he's a Christian? Look how they persecute and attack him from all sides They only do that to Christians. Because Trump is a threat to their good time. He's a threat to their way of life and how they have perverted this country. And like it or not deplorable Christians like me and millions of others are taking this country back and it starts with the Supreme Court

    Whats funny is those who make fun of us Christians you notice at some point they need us? They make fun of us and say "Look its the stupid Christians! Wave to the stupid Christians! Where's your God at?" They laugh at us....And then Sandy Hook happens. Or 9/11 or Orlando at the nightclub and where do they all go running? To the stupid Christians. But I thought we were idiots?


     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2017 - 11:26 PM ET #45

    ????????

    So Trump bullies, abuses, disgraces, talks condescendingly to MANY and you have pity on him for people not liking him?

    That makes him Christian because he brings this crap on himself and has to deal with his horrid treatment of others?

    Many non-Christians have been persecuted, many many yet who the crap cares? It is not some sign of greatness when a smug disgusting jerk ticks people off and has to live with his awful demeanor and people not liking him.

    Christianity is not "finding Jesus" or reading the Bible...not at all.

    Trump is not even close to being Christ like, he is intolerant, unkind, abusive, degrading, disgusting, elitist...do I need to continue?

    Trump is a Sunday morning fake Christian who does a LITTLE for whatever reason but for sure he is not Christ-Like at all.

    Same question again....how can anyone who is a true disciple/believer based on Christ's life and teachings NOT be a socialist? 

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    ????????

    So Trump bullies, abuses, disgraces, talks condescendingly to MANY and you have pity on him for people not liking him?

    That makes him Christian because he brings this crap on himself and has to deal with his horrid treatment of others?

    Many non-Christians have been persecuted, many many yet who the crap cares? It is not some sign of greatness when a smug disgusting jerk ticks people off and has to live with his awful demeanor and people not liking him.

    Christianity is not "finding Jesus" or reading the Bible...not at all.

    Trump is not even close to being Christ like, he is intolerant, unkind, abusive, degrading, disgusting, elitist...do I need to continue?

    Trump is a Sunday morning fake Christian who does a LITTLE for whatever reason but for sure he is not Christ-Like at all.

    Same question again....how can anyone who is a true disciple/believer based on Christ's life and teachings NOT be a socialist? 

     
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    Tell me something...

    These Bible-Belt Christians....which Testament are they following?

    Do you understand the question?

    Are ultra-conservative Bible-Belt Christians following the Old or the New Testament?

    The old law fits the style of hate and hand slapping that thumpers follow, the NEW law is pretty much a 180 and has little roots in most "conservative" Christian faiths...

    Christ was not an "old law" fire and brimstone teacher or example, so what do you say, is abolishing free will and choice (abortion etc) an OLD Testament concept or a New Testament concept?

    Most Christians have no idea they really are not disciples of Christ at all...


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    Tell me something...

    These Bible-Belt Christians....which Testament are they following?

    Do you understand the question?

    Are ultra-conservative Bible-Belt Christians following the Old or the New Testament?

    The old law fits the style of hate and hand slapping that thumpers follow, the NEW law is pretty much a 180 and has little roots in most "conservative" Christian faiths...

    Christ was not an "old law" fire and brimstone teacher or example, so what do you say, is abolishing free will and choice (abortion etc) an OLD Testament concept or a New Testament concept?

    Most Christians have no idea they really are not disciples of Christ at all...


     
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    Posted: May. 6, 2017 - 11:54 PM ET #47

    Quote Originally Posted by packers1992:

    3. In an interview Trump did he talked about how people over the years{most he's never met} mailed him bibles. In his Trump Tower apartment their is a room with 1,000 bibles in it




    I think that's called a storage room
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    Quote Originally Posted by packers1992:

    3. In an interview Trump did he talked about how people over the years{most he's never met} mailed him bibles. In his Trump Tower apartment their is a room with 1,000 bibles in it




    I think that's called a storage room
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:


    HAHA Good joke. My turn.

    You can take a fact, twist it, until it freaks you out. Case in point:

    1) Your mother made your peni.s and it formed inside her

    2) So you were inside your mother, dude
       
    Not bad....    my turn.     

    As a Trump supporter, I'm sure you've been inside a sister and probably a cousin.   

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zXDo4dL7SU


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanesque:


    HAHA Good joke. My turn.

    You can take a fact, twist it, until it freaks you out. Case in point:

    1) Your mother made your peni.s and it formed inside her

    2) So you were inside your mother, dude
       
    Not bad....    my turn.     

    As a Trump supporter, I'm sure you've been inside a sister and probably a cousin.   

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zXDo4dL7SU


     
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    Posted: May. 7, 2017 - 12:27 AM ET #49

    Saban,

    You bring the crap to the discussion, dont be mad when I reject that garbage with facts and truth.

    Separation of church and state is how our political system should run, ultra-conservative hate filled, non-freewill OT dogma holds no place in society...we do not need it and nobody should want to forward such a closed-minded, narrow thinking approach to a large society.
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    Saban,

    You bring the crap to the discussion, dont be mad when I reject that garbage with facts and truth.

    Separation of church and state is how our political system should run, ultra-conservative hate filled, non-freewill OT dogma holds no place in society...we do not need it and nobody should want to forward such a closed-minded, narrow thinking approach to a large society.
     
     
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    I dont care how he was raised, in fact it is my opinion that people raised in ultra-strict environments often act out in reaction to feeling repressed. 


    This makes sense.  It explains radical Muslims.
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    I dont care how he was raised, in fact it is my opinion that people raised in ultra-strict environments often act out in reaction to feeling repressed. 


    This makes sense.  It explains radical Muslims.
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