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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2011 - 12:17 AM ET #1

    Gonna have fun with this one.  Love the fact that the game is LIVE on U.S. television.  ESPN needs to go back to the 1980's and televise regular season games as well, instead of just on the computer.  Although having fecking Meatloaf....Meatloaf?!...be the opening headliner is just downright WRONG. 

    OK, let's get down to it.  Putting down staked amounts for those wondering how I feel about each bet.  I started with the first four and then scaled down depending on how sure I was compared with the Geelong win.

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    1) Geelong Outright at $1.80  ---  $250

    2) Geelong -3.5 at $1.95   ---  $250

    3) Geelong 1-39 at $2.35  ---  $250

    4) Geelong 1-24 at $3.55  ---  $250

    5) Collingwood to Win First Quarter at $1.95  ---  $50

    6) Geelong First Half Margin 1-12 at $4.75  ---  $50

    7) Geelong First Points at $1.87  ---  $100

    8) Geelong Behind First Score at $3.70  ---  $50

    9) Geelong Last Points at $1.90  ---  $25

    10) Geelong Behind Last Scoring Play at $3.80  ---  $25

    11) Geelong to Score First and Win Match at $3.30  ---  $100

    12) Geelong to Win by 11-12 Points at $26.00  ---  $10

    13) Geelong to Win by 23-24 Points at $34.00  ---  $10

    14) Travis Varcoe First Goal Scorer at $21.00  ---  $10

    15) Pies/Cats/Cats/Cats QbQ Bet at $11.00  ---  $25

    16) Highest Scoring Half - 2nd Half at $1.80  ---  $50

    17) Travis Varcoe More Goals Than Behinds at $1.40  ---  $50


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    Total Stake: $1555
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    Gonna have fun with this one.  Love the fact that the game is LIVE on U.S. television.  ESPN needs to go back to the 1980's and televise regular season games as well, instead of just on the computer.  Although having fecking Meatloaf....Meatloaf?!...be the opening headliner is just downright WRONG. 

    OK, let's get down to it.  Putting down staked amounts for those wondering how I feel about each bet.  I started with the first four and then scaled down depending on how sure I was compared with the Geelong win.

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    1) Geelong Outright at $1.80  ---  $250

    2) Geelong -3.5 at $1.95   ---  $250

    3) Geelong 1-39 at $2.35  ---  $250

    4) Geelong 1-24 at $3.55  ---  $250

    5) Collingwood to Win First Quarter at $1.95  ---  $50

    6) Geelong First Half Margin 1-12 at $4.75  ---  $50

    7) Geelong First Points at $1.87  ---  $100

    8) Geelong Behind First Score at $3.70  ---  $50

    9) Geelong Last Points at $1.90  ---  $25

    10) Geelong Behind Last Scoring Play at $3.80  ---  $25

    11) Geelong to Score First and Win Match at $3.30  ---  $100

    12) Geelong to Win by 11-12 Points at $26.00  ---  $10

    13) Geelong to Win by 23-24 Points at $34.00  ---  $10

    14) Travis Varcoe First Goal Scorer at $21.00  ---  $10

    15) Pies/Cats/Cats/Cats QbQ Bet at $11.00  ---  $25

    16) Highest Scoring Half - 2nd Half at $1.80  ---  $50

    17) Travis Varcoe More Goals Than Behinds at $1.40  ---  $50


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    Total Stake: $1555
     
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2011 - 12:26 AM ET #2

    Aussie sports always seem to get in the American has-beens or the wannabee Aussies to do the pre-match entertainment

    Shown live in the US
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2011 - 1:07 AM ET #3

    great range of bets there mate good luck 
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    great range of bets there mate good luck 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2011 - 4:06 PM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by ecoute:

    Aussie sports always seem to get in the American has-beens or the wannabee Aussies to do the pre-match entertainment

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    Well, Tina did it best years ago and is well-remembered for doing so. 

    Have been complaining about all the pole-chomping wussie bands doing the NRL and AFL GF pre-game entertainment the last couple of years.  Tunes to make grown men's balls shrink upon the first chord is NOT, I repeat, NOT the proper music to feature before a GF.  Nothing against pole chompers either, mind you. 

    AFL would best be served getting a Chevelle, Red, 10 Years, Asking Alexandria, Five Finger Death Punch, Breaking Benjamin, etc. to do the pre-game.  Would definitely sell a lot more pre-match booze to the boys in attendance! 
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    Well, Tina did it best years ago and is well-remembered for doing so. 

    Have been complaining about all the pole-chomping wussie bands doing the NRL and AFL GF pre-game entertainment the last couple of years.  Tunes to make grown men's balls shrink upon the first chord is NOT, I repeat, NOT the proper music to feature before a GF.  Nothing against pole chompers either, mind you. 

    AFL would best be served getting a Chevelle, Red, 10 Years, Asking Alexandria, Five Finger Death Punch, Breaking Benjamin, etc. to do the pre-game.  Would definitely sell a lot more pre-match booze to the boys in attendance! 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2011 - 4:09 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by AussieCapper:

    great range of bets there mate good luck 


    The AFL GF is bigger than the Super Bowl to me, only except when my New Orleans Saints are in it (once ever, 2009).  I love to have fun for the AFL GF, not necessarily make a lot of money, just have a lot of rolling wagers going to enjoy myself.  If I break even, it's been great!



    That being said, all the wagers have been thought out and re-thought out.  Nothing has been punted that I just threw a dart at.  So, feel free to jump on something there that hits your fancy for a small amount and have fun with me!  Hey, it's only once a year, right?!  Might as well enjoy it! 
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    great range of bets there mate good luck 


    The AFL GF is bigger than the Super Bowl to me, only except when my New Orleans Saints are in it (once ever, 2009).  I love to have fun for the AFL GF, not necessarily make a lot of money, just have a lot of rolling wagers going to enjoy myself.  If I break even, it's been great!



    That being said, all the wagers have been thought out and re-thought out.  Nothing has been punted that I just threw a dart at.  So, feel free to jump on something there that hits your fancy for a small amount and have fun with me!  Hey, it's only once a year, right?!  Might as well enjoy it! 
     
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2011 - 5:59 PM ET #6

    I think the US rights were/are held by someone else, though I'm not sure that someone else still exists.  Would be nice to see it return to American TV.  Of course, I'd like to see it return to the Junction, Windy Hill, Princes Park, etc. as well.  Probably not much chance of that.

    I think the Cats win.  Looking forward to watching it. 

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    I think the US rights were/are held by someone else, though I'm not sure that someone else still exists.  Would be nice to see it return to American TV.  Of course, I'd like to see it return to the Junction, Windy Hill, Princes Park, etc. as well.  Probably not much chance of that.

    I think the Cats win.  Looking forward to watching it. 

     
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2011 - 7:24 PM ET #7

    Pies @ $2.10 looks like my bet today... Maybe Dale Thomas Norm smith medal @ $10.00...

    There has been a magpie that has been coming and getting food from me at lunch time every day this week... I see it as a sign haha...
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    Pies @ $2.10 looks like my bet today... Maybe Dale Thomas Norm smith medal @ $10.00...

    There has been a magpie that has been coming and getting food from me at lunch time every day this week... I see it as a sign haha...
     
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2011 - 11:16 PM ET #8

    And because the US gets it live, we here in Canada get it live!

    On the Cats!

    Good luck HoH

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    And because the US gets it live, we here in Canada get it live!

    On the Cats!

    Good luck HoH

     
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    Posted: Sep. 30, 2011 - 11:43 PM ET #9

    Meatloaf is a fucking BOSS  
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy5:

    Pies @ $2.10 looks like my bet today... Maybe Dale Thomas Norm smith medal @ $10.00...

    There has been a magpie that has been coming and getting food from me at lunch time every day this week... I see it as a sign haha...


    Superstition, trends same shit. GL mate
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    Pies @ $2.10 looks like my bet today... Maybe Dale Thomas Norm smith medal @ $10.00...

    There has been a magpie that has been coming and getting food from me at lunch time every day this week... I see it as a sign haha...


    Superstition, trends same shit. GL mate
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy5:

    Meatloaf is a fucking BOSS  



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    Quote Originally Posted by Boydy5:

    Meatloaf is a fucking BOSS  



     
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    1) Geelong Outright at $1.80  ---  $250   Return of $450.00

    2) Geelong -3.5 at $1.95   ---  $250   Return of $487.50

    3) Geelong 1-39 at $2.35  ---  $250 Return of  $587.50

    4) Geelong 1-24 at $3.55  ---  $250

    5) Collingwood to Win First Quarter at $1.95  ---  $50

    6) Geelong First Half Margin 1-12 at $4.75  ---  $50

    7) Geelong First Points at $1.87  ---  $100   Return of $187.00

    8) Geelong Behind First Score at $3.70  ---  $50

    9) Geelong Last Points at $1.90  ---  $25   Return of $47.50

    10) Geelong Behind Last Scoring Play at $3.80  ---  $25   Return of $95.00

    11) Geelong to Score First and Win Match at $3.30  ---  $100   Return of $330.00

    12) Geelong to Win by 11-12 Points at $26.00  ---  $10

    13) Geelong to Win by 23-24 Points at $34.00  ---  $10

    14) Travis Varcoe First Goal Scorer at $21.00  ---  $10   Return of $210.00 in FIFTEEN SECONDS!!!!!!!!!! 

    15) Pies/Cats/Cats/Cats QbQ Bet at $11.00  ---  $25

    16) Highest Scoring Half - 2nd Half at $1.80  ---  $50

    17) Travis Varcoe More Goals Than Behinds at $1.40  ---  $50   Return of $70.00


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    Total Stake: $1555

    TOTAL RETURN:  $2464.50, GUINNESS SPILL ON THE CARPET 15 SECONDS INTO THE MATCH, AND A MASSIVE HANGOVER 



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    1) Geelong Outright at $1.80  ---  $250   Return of $450.00

    2) Geelong -3.5 at $1.95   ---  $250   Return of $487.50

    3) Geelong 1-39 at $2.35  ---  $250 Return of  $587.50

    4) Geelong 1-24 at $3.55  ---  $250

    5) Collingwood to Win First Quarter at $1.95  ---  $50

    6) Geelong First Half Margin 1-12 at $4.75  ---  $50

    7) Geelong First Points at $1.87  ---  $100   Return of $187.00

    8) Geelong Behind First Score at $3.70  ---  $50

    9) Geelong Last Points at $1.90  ---  $25   Return of $47.50

    10) Geelong Behind Last Scoring Play at $3.80  ---  $25   Return of $95.00

    11) Geelong to Score First and Win Match at $3.30  ---  $100   Return of $330.00

    12) Geelong to Win by 11-12 Points at $26.00  ---  $10

    13) Geelong to Win by 23-24 Points at $34.00  ---  $10

    14) Travis Varcoe First Goal Scorer at $21.00  ---  $10   Return of $210.00 in FIFTEEN SECONDS!!!!!!!!!! 

    15) Pies/Cats/Cats/Cats QbQ Bet at $11.00  ---  $25

    16) Highest Scoring Half - 2nd Half at $1.80  ---  $50

    17) Travis Varcoe More Goals Than Behinds at $1.40  ---  $50   Return of $70.00


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    Total Stake: $1555

    TOTAL RETURN:  $2464.50, GUINNESS SPILL ON THE CARPET 15 SECONDS INTO THE MATCH, AND A MASSIVE HANGOVER 



     
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2011 - 3:19 AM ET #16

    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie Battler:

     Varcoe


    I bet that solely on a vision I had a day before the match.  I laid down in bed and tried to "see" anything I could from the GF before placing wagers.  I saw the opening bounce, skip, then a dark-skinned person in blue hoops charging from about 70-80 metres out, running extremely fast, then booting the ball............then everything faded.

    I lifted my head up and said to myself, "from that, there can be no doubt whatsoever that that was Travis Varcoe."  $10 spot went down immediately on First Goal Scorer. 

    Told you I bet headoverheart. 
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     Varcoe


    I bet that solely on a vision I had a day before the match.  I laid down in bed and tried to "see" anything I could from the GF before placing wagers.  I saw the opening bounce, skip, then a dark-skinned person in blue hoops charging from about 70-80 metres out, running extremely fast, then booting the ball............then everything faded.

    I lifted my head up and said to myself, "from that, there can be no doubt whatsoever that that was Travis Varcoe."  $10 spot went down immediately on First Goal Scorer. 

    Told you I bet headoverheart. 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 2, 2011 - 3:21 AM ET #17

    Quote Originally Posted by nbird33:



    Thank you nbird! 

    I had a lot of fun.  Don't remember some of the match in gaps due to massive alcohol consumption though....hahaha....   
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    Thank you nbird! 

    I had a lot of fun.  Don't remember some of the match in gaps due to massive alcohol consumption though....hahaha....   
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2011 - 5:19 AM ET #19

    I really don`t care why you chose me HOH, I suppose I should feel privileged. Yet I don`t...However due our mutual friends I bit my tongue. Please refrain from your asinine comments outside of this realm otherwise they may be misconstrued as be condescending...Use Battler for that and see how he responds..You were well off and you Tigers lost..It ain`t my fault your preference is to be bud--the-non-wiser.........


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    I really don`t care why you chose me HOH, I suppose I should feel privileged. Yet I don`t...However due our mutual friends I bit my tongue. Please refrain from your asinine comments outside of this realm otherwise they may be misconstrued as be condescending...Use Battler for that and see how he responds..You were well off and you Tigers lost..It ain`t my fault your preference is to be bud--the-non-wiser.........


     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2011 - 5:24 AM ET #20

    Quote Originally Posted by bluephinn:

    I really don`t care why you chose me HOH, I suppose I should feel privileged. Yet I don`t...However due our mutual friends I bit my tongue. Please refrain from your asinine comments outside of this realm otherwise they may be misconstrued as be condescending...Use Battler for that and see how he responds..You were well off and you Tigers lost..It ain`t my fault your preference is to be bud--the-non-wiser.........






    Did we miss a couple of posts or something ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bluephinn:

    I really don`t care why you chose me HOH, I suppose I should feel privileged. Yet I don`t...However due our mutual friends I bit my tongue. Please refrain from your asinine comments outside of this realm otherwise they may be misconstrued as be condescending...Use Battler for that and see how he responds..You were well off and you Tigers lost..It ain`t my fault your preference is to be bud--the-non-wiser.........






    Did we miss a couple of posts or something ?
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2011 - 5:24 AM ET #21

    As a reference..
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    As a reference..
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2011 - 5:25 AM ET #22

    Quote Originally Posted by ecoute:





    Did we miss a couple of posts or something ?

    Yep...
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    Did we miss a couple of posts or something ?

    Yep...
     
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    Posted: Oct. 5, 2011 - 5:35 AM ET #23

    If you read carefully his analysis was spot on..And negated with.. The yankees may win..Where the fuck is his selection or his input.. Other than the fact that he follows the Tigers..Bi polar I maybe..So what`s his excuse..Blinded by bondage??My guess is patriotism towards a greater good highlighted by a town called Flint.. Either way I ain`t his fuckin gimp.....

    Look too Rosie for that....God bless the land of the free enabling me to say this...

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    If you read carefully his analysis was spot on..And negated with.. The yankees may win..Where the fuck is his selection or his input.. Other than the fact that he follows the Tigers..Bi polar I maybe..So what`s his excuse..Blinded by bondage??My guess is patriotism towards a greater good highlighted by a town called Flint.. Either way I ain`t his fuckin gimp.....

    Look too Rosie for that....God bless the land of the free enabling me to say this...

     
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    Posted: Oct. 7, 2011 - 10:23 PM ET #24

    Oh bluephinn, why you gotta ruin my buzz mate?  For you and those not in the know, here it was:

    BLUEPHINN WROTE:  The Tigers were wobbling with Verlander on the mound and their pen was mirroring that effect..A.J can have his moments however this ain`t gonna be a pitching duel,bats and pens gonna decide the outcome in this game..Yanks have too much class to let this one slip even with A-rod sinking subs.Cabrera had bases loaded and no outs yet failed to deilver..that tells me that the head is dead and they have no fire power out side of Verlander to get the job done..Throw Valverde`s comments into the mix and this becomes a solid wager..
    YANKEES-[+105]

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    HoH WROTE BACK:
      Cabrera knocked in a run with his double play.

    Also, if Cabrera sputtered, Inge, Santiago, Kelly, and Young shined brightly instead.

    That is not a reason to back against the Tigers, but a very worrisome trend for Yankee supporters.

    Valverde's comments did nothing to help the Yankees yesterday, who have now dropped two in-a-row.

    Yankees might win tonight, but your analysis (respectfully) is off, bluephinn. 

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Yankees won the game 10-1, scoring 6 in the 8th Inning to break a 4-1 contest wide-open.  Btw, I was rooting for the Yanks in the 8th because I had Over 9.  Hahaha!

    Anyway, please look at my final line to you bluephinn.....and I MADE SURE I SAID THAT...

    Yankees might win tonight, but your analysis (respectfully) is off, bluephinn. 

    "RESPECTFULLY" AND  

    So, is it wrong to disagree with people on this site when discussing games?  I said I was being respectful in my disagreement and shook your hand and yet you still lose your head at me in muliple posts in this thread on the AFL GF?

    You mentioned Cabrera failed to deliver with bases loaded.  I said, he failed to get a hit, but he did knock in one run.  You then use Cabrera getting one at one at-bat as the basis for saying that because the Tigers' leader is dead, they have no firepower.  Yet, in the very game you reference, when Cabrera did indeed flop, all the secondary role-players shined through!  Inge, Kelly, Young, Santiago...all played excellently to get the Game Three win!  I was pointing this out to you, that you conclusion of if the Tiger's main player sinks so does the team, was not correct.

    The Tigers are scrappy and built upon the contributions of anyone on any given day....no matter if they are a big start or a borderline minor leaguer.  To me, this is not a reason to back the Yankees....but AGAINST THEM.

    You then mentioned Valverde's comments as a possible firestroke, or bulletin board material, for the Yankees.  But he said that after Game Two and the Tigers won Game Three.  So that line of logic was faulty.

    And of course, Fister coming in and slapping around the Yankees for five innings yesterday does prove the Tigers have firepower other than Verlander.

    All my points WERE BASED ON FACT AND VALID, yet because I disagreed with you, you took offense?



    And of course I prefaced everything by saying the Yankees could win because anything could happen....there are no guarantees!!!  Just like Geelong -46.5 against Sydney......and you state all the reasons why the Cats should win....but then say, of course, Sydney is a solid side and could win.

    C'mon mate.  We are here to help each other RESPECTFULLY, not take offense if we are in polite disagreement.

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    Oh bluephinn, why you gotta ruin my buzz mate?  For you and those not in the know, here it was:

    BLUEPHINN WROTE:  The Tigers were wobbling with Verlander on the mound and their pen was mirroring that effect..A.J can have his moments however this ain`t gonna be a pitching duel,bats and pens gonna decide the outcome in this game..Yanks have too much class to let this one slip even with A-rod sinking subs.Cabrera had bases loaded and no outs yet failed to deilver..that tells me that the head is dead and they have no fire power out side of Verlander to get the job done..Throw Valverde`s comments into the mix and this becomes a solid wager..
    YANKEES-[+105]

    Quick step...


    HoH WROTE BACK:
      Cabrera knocked in a run with his double play.

    Also, if Cabrera sputtered, Inge, Santiago, Kelly, and Young shined brightly instead.

    That is not a reason to back against the Tigers, but a very worrisome trend for Yankee supporters.

    Valverde's comments did nothing to help the Yankees yesterday, who have now dropped two in-a-row.

    Yankees might win tonight, but your analysis (respectfully) is off, bluephinn. 

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Yankees won the game 10-1, scoring 6 in the 8th Inning to break a 4-1 contest wide-open.  Btw, I was rooting for the Yanks in the 8th because I had Over 9.  Hahaha!

    Anyway, please look at my final line to you bluephinn.....and I MADE SURE I SAID THAT...

    Yankees might win tonight, but your analysis (respectfully) is off, bluephinn. 

    "RESPECTFULLY" AND  

    So, is it wrong to disagree with people on this site when discussing games?  I said I was being respectful in my disagreement and shook your hand and yet you still lose your head at me in muliple posts in this thread on the AFL GF?

    You mentioned Cabrera failed to deliver with bases loaded.  I said, he failed to get a hit, but he did knock in one run.  You then use Cabrera getting one at one at-bat as the basis for saying that because the Tigers' leader is dead, they have no firepower.  Yet, in the very game you reference, when Cabrera did indeed flop, all the secondary role-players shined through!  Inge, Kelly, Young, Santiago...all played excellently to get the Game Three win!  I was pointing this out to you, that you conclusion of if the Tiger's main player sinks so does the team, was not correct.

    The Tigers are scrappy and built upon the contributions of anyone on any given day....no matter if they are a big start or a borderline minor leaguer.  To me, this is not a reason to back the Yankees....but AGAINST THEM.

    You then mentioned Valverde's comments as a possible firestroke, or bulletin board material, for the Yankees.  But he said that after Game Two and the Tigers won Game Three.  So that line of logic was faulty.

    And of course, Fister coming in and slapping around the Yankees for five innings yesterday does prove the Tigers have firepower other than Verlander.

    All my points WERE BASED ON FACT AND VALID, yet because I disagreed with you, you took offense?



    And of course I prefaced everything by saying the Yankees could win because anything could happen....there are no guarantees!!!  Just like Geelong -46.5 against Sydney......and you state all the reasons why the Cats should win....but then say, of course, Sydney is a solid side and could win.

    C'mon mate.  We are here to help each other RESPECTFULLY, not take offense if we are in polite disagreement.

     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 8, 2011 - 4:43 AM ET #25

    Listen Miss no disrespect..With bases loaded and no outs, grounding into a double play and driving in ONE run is a failure for the 20 million dollar man Cabrera.
    So you`re all about fact correct ???
    "Also, if Cabrera sputtered, Inge, Santiago, Kelly, and Young shined brightly instead."
    Show me which one these shined in game 4 or 5 ??.You`re all about having the facts behind a curtain of hindsight..Can show me your pick and analysis of the game... I missed it...Then you can talk and  I MAY listen..`til then stick to your facts whilst not putting a pick behind them and I`ll stick to my delusions of grandeur and misconceptions
    Yoy`re a wanker abroad givin` aussie a bad name...


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    Listen Miss no disrespect..With bases loaded and no outs, grounding into a double play and driving in ONE run is a failure for the 20 million dollar man Cabrera.
    So you`re all about fact correct ???
    "Also, if Cabrera sputtered, Inge, Santiago, Kelly, and Young shined brightly instead."
    Show me which one these shined in game 4 or 5 ??.You`re all about having the facts behind a curtain of hindsight..Can show me your pick and analysis of the game... I missed it...Then you can talk and  I MAY listen..`til then stick to your facts whilst not putting a pick behind them and I`ll stick to my delusions of grandeur and misconceptions
    Yoy`re a wanker abroad givin` aussie a bad name...


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