you just cant beat the refs

jimmy, your a class act! 

its become a complete joke ...

That was a pretty low line even with Manning out... They hung the same line as if Manning was in... TRAP

did anybody see the last TD by Denver my god WTF with 1 min to play 1 of the linemen for Denver had a hand's to the face against NE it was real bad not called . this is crazy how these Zebras cost team's NE lost all these recevers . and still denver can't beat NE yeah guy's check out that hand's to the face how in gods name that was not called like I said with 1 min to play  

I Had the 49'rs and won but did you see how the refs tried to give it to AZ.  What was it 4-5 pass interference calls in the end zone on the same drive!!!!!

Not to mention the roughing the passer gift Palmer got

The holding penalty on Brady's 50yd completion late in game was questionable but what wasn't questionable was NE punt returner muffing punt up 21-7 early in 4th...THAT was the turning point...:I was on NE large but that's how it goes....

I like Cleveland quite a bit tonight, but I got it at -3 last night, and bought it down to -2.5.  That's not really available anymore.  I would still bet Cleveland.  Buy it down to -4.

 

That's the thing now. Prime time games at least. Cleveland should win this and cover. But how the NFL is this year especially this year you have to over think a game. I'm take Baltimore and if I lose or win I was over thinking lol!

No. You said the NFL was going to rig the game so that the Patriots won AND Broncos covered because undefeated Panthers vs undefeated Patriots would make a great storyline. I said that kind of a surgical rig, occurring within a 3-point spread margin, goes beyond the usual crooked refs and would take the entire team to pull off  (thats not even asking the obvious question: why would the NFL care about Vegas spreads?): https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=21&sub=102201018&page=1

I lost interest in NBA when Stern gave the marching orders to refs to give superstar treatment to the superstars and make homer calls, meaning that the fans in the stands were treated to more winners than they otherwise would.

 

I saw this, and bet Denver. Finally I got on the right side as the refs, some bailout calls for the ages

That offensive pass interference penalty on Gronk was crazy. Receivers literally do the same thing on every single play, and it never gets called.

lets prohibit the refs from checking out the lines from their particular game. lets get rid of their script and see if they com even close to fixing the spread and the total scumbags. Why do games come even so damn close to what the spread is and the total is? Why is it always so close? vegas fixes the damn game and the outcome. Does vegas know the future and can accurately point out the spreads for every single phucking game?No they just fix the game with their henchmen the refs and fix the outcome. or else games wouldnt be so damn close and yes i agree with dribble the refs are told what to do. They do it to get the cashcow

Vegas and people who are blind will argue that sports arent fixed because the players are paid millions so their incentive is to win flatout and try their best. Sure thats true but not for the refs who look at the lines everyday the games they are refeering and to get their cut from vegas

I had no dog in the Broncos/Patriots fight, but I simply turned it off after the phantom hold in the EZ on what appeared to be a critical sack late in the game.  It was the third or fourth sketchy call that had gone the Broncos way, and it seemed like the 10th big call I saw in all of the games I watched that really just appeared to be pulled out of thin air.  Either these games are scripted (which, I will acknowledge, is really hard to believe) or the refs and the review booth have become more important than the players (which I do rather believe).  In either event, I'm out.  I stopped wagering on the NFL years ago.  Now I'll just stop watching it (more).  24 average teams; 6 better-than-average teams, and a couple of awful teams - all by design.  90% of the league is still in the "playoff hunt."  At what point do you just say, enough?  I think I may have gotten there.

Its not a contradiction. I feel the same as him. The question is are the refs throwing flags to keep it entertaining and then let the cards drop were they may or is there a actual script to fix the outcome. 

exactly alot of money is bet on these teams and vegas will fck over the side that has the more money the cashcow and yesterday pats were the cashcow especially coming in to the fourth quarter where their lead was supposebly "secure." No way would vegas leave these millions of dollars up to chance but hey do they like letting people think they are winning up to a point till they pull the plug and make the call. much money was on pats before and live and vegas were going to get it 

You're being very insulting and arrogant, and I don't know why.  I'm not sure if you're distorting the arguement so badly because you genuinely don't understand English too well (is English your 2nd language?) or if you have me confused with another poster and you're combining our 2 separate arguments into 1.  There are several points here:

1) You are pretending this is a discussion about rigged vs not rigged. That's BS.  I've stated on several occasions I think rigs are real. Even in this very thread I've posted that I think rigs are real.  Just this week I did a write up saying I'm avoiding betting the Panthers because it's suspicious (of a rig):

https://www.covers.com/postingforum/post01/showmessage.aspx?spt=21&sub=102200097

This isn't a discussion about whether rigs are real or not. Stop making strawman arguments.  

2) You're pretending last night's Patriots game supports your theory ("The NFL will rig this match so that the Patriots win because undefeated Panthers vs undefeated Patriots is a great storyline ... the NFL will also rig this match so that Denver covers"). Last night's game proves your theory wrong not correct. 

If the NFL wanted the Patriots to win because it's a good storyline, why did they ignore the penalty late into the game when the Patriots were up by a few points, where a Broncos player held the face mask? That would have been the perfect call for your theory because it would have reversed the Broncos TD that put them in the lead.

If the game is so controlled that the NFL scripts it ahead of time based on story, why did they let the Patriots take a 14 point lead into the 4th quarter, which makes them rigging a cover of the 2.5-point spread all the more obvious?

Why does the NFL even care about rigging a spread's cover? That's something Vegas cares about not the NFL.

3) You still haven't addressed the thing we're talking about: my claim that surgical rigs controlling the game's score down to a 1-2 point margin are nearly impossible in football (unless many key players are bought) ... which if you're not paying attention, last night's game supports.


If anyone is rigging spreads, it's Vegas or betting rings not the NFL. The NFL couldn't care less about spreads.  And when Vegas/Betting Rings do rig games, it's nothing  even remotely refined or surgical. It's crude and obvious. It relies on crooked refs and weak links on a team.

I stand by my original comment which started this discussion between us, incase you've forgot:

A rig that's so surgical it falls within a 3 point spread goes beyond the usual avenues people discuss in a rigged game such as bad referee calls, etc. You're talking about something that would have to involve the entire team here. A fine control of every aspect of the score.

Keep in mind, this surgical rig did not happen last night and your claim is NOT supported by last night game. If anything, last night proves my theory that rigs are crude and can not be surgical enough to both control a winner AND keep the winning margin within 1-2 points.  That's a taaaaaaaaaaaaall order to fill and would need almost the entire team behind to script.

Look, in the end, I think this discussion is silly. We're obviously on the same side here (games are rigged / suspicious) and having an argument over who is doing the rigs and how surgical these rigs are seems like a waste of time to me. I'd rather focus on methods of identifying them ahead of time and profiting off them so that we can all kick the bookies in the nuts together

Considering that Tom Shady has gotten more breaks from the refs than perhaps any other player in NFL history, please forgive me if I don't feel the least bit bad to the Cheatriots or their fans