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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2009 - 5:07 PM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by DegoMo:

     

    Roberto Fiory, you are true loser. You have nothing better to do with your time.  You search all these stats, then instead of betting them, you share them in this forum.  I feel sad for you, no friends, no life.

    Do the accolades you recieve here make you feel good?  If you had any brains or any friends you would bet your own stuff and not share it with the world.  You are the definition of the word LOSER.

     



    this guy must been losing a lot of money even it's just a pre
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    Roberto Fiory, you are true loser. You have nothing better to do with your time.  You search all these stats, then instead of betting them, you share them in this forum.  I feel sad for you, no friends, no life.

    Do the accolades you recieve here make you feel good?  If you had any brains or any friends you would bet your own stuff and not share it with the world.  You are the definition of the word LOSER.

     



    this guy must been losing a lot of money even it's just a pre
     
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    From Marc lawrence >>
    (All results pertain to preseason only and are most recent ATS - Against The Spread - unless noted otherwise*)

    WEEK 1

    Thursday, August 13

    New England at Philadelphia (7:30 p.m. EDT)
    New England - SERIES: 5-2 (6-1 SU)…5-0-3 Game One… 12-6-3 vs NFC… BELICHICK: 15-8-2 w/rev vs NFC
    PHILADELPHIA - 5-0 SU/ATS Home One… 3-16 SU/ATS Game One


    Washington at Baltimore (7:30 p.m. EDT)
    Washington - 11-3 RD 3 < vs AFC… 2-7 UNDER vs AFC
    BALTIMORE - 1-3 SUATS Home One… 2-8 UNDER Game One… 3-11 UNDER as fav… 4-11 UNDER vs NFC
    Play : Under

    Arizona at Pittsburgh (8:00 p.m. EDT)
    Arizona - SERIES: 2-0 SU/ATS… 1-9 SU and 2-8 ATS vs AFC… 3-6 as dog Game One
    PITTSBURGH - 12-6 as pick/fav Home One… 1-10-1 UNDER vs NFC… TOMLIN: 2-6-1 UNDER
    Play : Under

    Dallas at Oakland (8:00 p.m. EDT)
    Dallas - SERIES: 4-0 SUATS… 14-5 SU and 13-6 ATS vs AFC… 1-7 UNDER Game One
    OAKLAND - 3-0 SU/ATS Home One… 3-0 SU/ATS Game One…
    6-1 as fav… 1-9 UNDER as fav… 3-13 UNDER L4Y
    Play : Under

    Friday, August 14


    St. Louis at N.Y. Jets (7:05 p.m. EDT)
    St. Louis - 1-5 as dog… 3-12 ATS Away One… 3-7 SUATS vs AFC… 0-5 UNDER > 37… 1-5 UNDER Game One
    NY JETS - 4-1 SU/ATS Game One… 5-2 SU/ATS Home One… 2-4-1 as fav
    Play : NY Jets

    Minnesota at Indianapolis (7:30 p.m. EDT)
    Minnesota - SERIES: 4-0… 5-0 vs AFC… 8-3 SU/ATS as dog Game One… 2-4 UNDER Game One
    INDIANAPOLIS - 0-5 SU/ATS Home One… 1-7 L8 home games… 3-15 SU and 5-13 ATS L4Y… 0-4 SU and 1-3 ATS Game One… 10-4 OVER vs NFC
    Play : Minnesota

    Cincinnati at New Orleans (8:00 p.m. EDT)
    Cincinnati - SERIES: 0-5 SU/ATS… 3-9 SU Game One…
    LEWIS: 0-9 w/pre season revenge
    NEW ORLEANS - 0-11 (1-10 SU) Home One… 2-13 ATS
    (3-12 SU) fav… 2-6 SUATS Game One… 3-9-1 UNDER vs AFC 1-5… UNDER Game One… PAYTON: 1-3 SU/ATS fav

    Denver at San Francisco (10:00 p.m. EDT)
    Denver - 9-3-1 Game One… 19-9 vs NFC (11-3-1 away)… 1-7 UNDER Away One
    SAN FRANCISCO - SERIES: 1-9 SU and 2-8 ATS… 4-1-1 Home One… 6-2 SUATS L8 home… 8-3-1 last 12 games
    Play : Denver

    Saturday, August 15

    Atlanta at Detroit (4:00 p.m. EDT)
    Atlanta - SERIES: 2-0-1… 3-0 RF's… 2-4 Away One
    DETROIT - 1-6-1 L8 as fav… 3-9-3 HF in season opener

    Chicago at Buffalo (7:00 p.m. EDT)
    Chicago - SERIES: 8-1 SU/ATS… 8-2 Away One Game One… 7-3-1 vs AFC… SMITH: 6-1 dog 3 >
    BUFFALO - 3-13 Home One… 0-10 UNDER vs NFC…
    0-4 UNDER Game 1… JAURON: 1-9 SU and 0-10 last ten home
    Play : Chicago

    Cleveland at Green Bay (7:00 p.m. EDT)
    Cleveland - 7-3 L10 as dog… 1-5 SUATS vs NFC… 1-5 UNDER Game One… 1-5 UNDER Away One… MANGINI: visitor 9-2-1
    GREEN BAY - 10-3 SU/ATS Home One… 3-9 SU and 4-8 ATS vs AFC… 1-7 UNDER Game One
    Play : Under

    Tampa Bay at Tennessee (7:00 p.m. EDT)
    Tampa Bay - SERIES: 4-0 SUATS… 5-0-1 (6-0 SU) Game One
    TENNESSEE - 1-3 SUATS Home One… 2-6 SU/ATS last six home

    Houston at Kansas City (7:00 p.m. EDT)
    Houston - 3-0 SUATS Away One… 2-4-1 Game One… 3-0 OVER Game One
    KANSAS CITY - 3-17 L5Y… 1-4 SUATS Game One… 1-6-1 UNDER Home One
    Play : Houston

    Seattle at San Diego (10:00 p.m. EDT)
    Seattle - 4-1 SUATS Away One… 4-2 SUATS Game One
    SAN DIEGO - SERIES: 2-6 SU and 1-7 ATS… 2-6 Game One… TURNER: 2-5 Game One

    Monday, August 17

    Jacksonville at Miami (7:30 p.m. EDT)
    Jacksonville - SERIES: dog 5-1… 10-3 L13 away… 10-4 SUATS vs AFC… DEL RIO: 7-2 SU and 8-1 ATS as dog
    MIAMI - 2-8 SU Game One… 6-17-1 Home One
    Play : Jacksonville

    Carolina at N.Y. Giants (8:00 p.m. EDT)
    Carolina - 15-4 vs NFC (10-2 dog)… 6-2 Game One… 4-2 SU/ATS Away One… FOX: 8-3 dog… 8-0 OVER vs NFC… 6-1 OVER Game One
    NY GIANTS - SERIES: 1-5 SUATS… 3-10 SU and 3-9-1 ATS vs NFC
    Play : Carolina
     
    These are some plays based on what may be the strongest trend numbers.  
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    From Marc lawrence >>
    (All results pertain to preseason only and are most recent ATS - Against The Spread - unless noted otherwise*)

    WEEK 1

    Thursday, August 13

    New England at Philadelphia (7:30 p.m. EDT)
    New England - SERIES: 5-2 (6-1 SU)…5-0-3 Game One… 12-6-3 vs NFC… BELICHICK: 15-8-2 w/rev vs NFC
    PHILADELPHIA - 5-0 SU/ATS Home One… 3-16 SU/ATS Game One


    Washington at Baltimore (7:30 p.m. EDT)
    Washington - 11-3 RD 3 < vs AFC… 2-7 UNDER vs AFC
    BALTIMORE - 1-3 SUATS Home One… 2-8 UNDER Game One… 3-11 UNDER as fav… 4-11 UNDER vs NFC
    Play : Under

    Arizona at Pittsburgh (8:00 p.m. EDT)
    Arizona - SERIES: 2-0 SU/ATS… 1-9 SU and 2-8 ATS vs AFC… 3-6 as dog Game One
    PITTSBURGH - 12-6 as pick/fav Home One… 1-10-1 UNDER vs NFC… TOMLIN: 2-6-1 UNDER
    Play : Under

    Dallas at Oakland (8:00 p.m. EDT)
    Dallas - SERIES: 4-0 SUATS… 14-5 SU and 13-6 ATS vs AFC… 1-7 UNDER Game One
    OAKLAND - 3-0 SU/ATS Home One… 3-0 SU/ATS Game One…
    6-1 as fav… 1-9 UNDER as fav… 3-13 UNDER L4Y
    Play : Under

    Friday, August 14


    St. Louis at N.Y. Jets (7:05 p.m. EDT)
    St. Louis - 1-5 as dog… 3-12 ATS Away One… 3-7 SUATS vs AFC… 0-5 UNDER > 37… 1-5 UNDER Game One
    NY JETS - 4-1 SU/ATS Game One… 5-2 SU/ATS Home One… 2-4-1 as fav
    Play : NY Jets

    Minnesota at Indianapolis (7:30 p.m. EDT)
    Minnesota - SERIES: 4-0… 5-0 vs AFC… 8-3 SU/ATS as dog Game One… 2-4 UNDER Game One
    INDIANAPOLIS - 0-5 SU/ATS Home One… 1-7 L8 home games… 3-15 SU and 5-13 ATS L4Y… 0-4 SU and 1-3 ATS Game One… 10-4 OVER vs NFC
    Play : Minnesota

    Cincinnati at New Orleans (8:00 p.m. EDT)
    Cincinnati - SERIES: 0-5 SU/ATS… 3-9 SU Game One…
    LEWIS: 0-9 w/pre season revenge
    NEW ORLEANS - 0-11 (1-10 SU) Home One… 2-13 ATS
    (3-12 SU) fav… 2-6 SUATS Game One… 3-9-1 UNDER vs AFC 1-5… UNDER Game One… PAYTON: 1-3 SU/ATS fav

    Denver at San Francisco (10:00 p.m. EDT)
    Denver - 9-3-1 Game One… 19-9 vs NFC (11-3-1 away)… 1-7 UNDER Away One
    SAN FRANCISCO - SERIES: 1-9 SU and 2-8 ATS… 4-1-1 Home One… 6-2 SUATS L8 home… 8-3-1 last 12 games
    Play : Denver

    Saturday, August 15

    Atlanta at Detroit (4:00 p.m. EDT)
    Atlanta - SERIES: 2-0-1… 3-0 RF's… 2-4 Away One
    DETROIT - 1-6-1 L8 as fav… 3-9-3 HF in season opener

    Chicago at Buffalo (7:00 p.m. EDT)
    Chicago - SERIES: 8-1 SU/ATS… 8-2 Away One Game One… 7-3-1 vs AFC… SMITH: 6-1 dog 3 >
    BUFFALO - 3-13 Home One… 0-10 UNDER vs NFC…
    0-4 UNDER Game 1… JAURON: 1-9 SU and 0-10 last ten home
    Play : Chicago

    Cleveland at Green Bay (7:00 p.m. EDT)
    Cleveland - 7-3 L10 as dog… 1-5 SUATS vs NFC… 1-5 UNDER Game One… 1-5 UNDER Away One… MANGINI: visitor 9-2-1
    GREEN BAY - 10-3 SU/ATS Home One… 3-9 SU and 4-8 ATS vs AFC… 1-7 UNDER Game One
    Play : Under

    Tampa Bay at Tennessee (7:00 p.m. EDT)
    Tampa Bay - SERIES: 4-0 SUATS… 5-0-1 (6-0 SU) Game One
    TENNESSEE - 1-3 SUATS Home One… 2-6 SU/ATS last six home

    Houston at Kansas City (7:00 p.m. EDT)
    Houston - 3-0 SUATS Away One… 2-4-1 Game One… 3-0 OVER Game One
    KANSAS CITY - 3-17 L5Y… 1-4 SUATS Game One… 1-6-1 UNDER Home One
    Play : Houston

    Seattle at San Diego (10:00 p.m. EDT)
    Seattle - 4-1 SUATS Away One… 4-2 SUATS Game One
    SAN DIEGO - SERIES: 2-6 SU and 1-7 ATS… 2-6 Game One… TURNER: 2-5 Game One

    Monday, August 17

    Jacksonville at Miami (7:30 p.m. EDT)
    Jacksonville - SERIES: dog 5-1… 10-3 L13 away… 10-4 SUATS vs AFC… DEL RIO: 7-2 SU and 8-1 ATS as dog
    MIAMI - 2-8 SU Game One… 6-17-1 Home One
    Play : Jacksonville

    Carolina at N.Y. Giants (8:00 p.m. EDT)
    Carolina - 15-4 vs NFC (10-2 dog)… 6-2 Game One… 4-2 SU/ATS Away One… FOX: 8-3 dog… 8-0 OVER vs NFC… 6-1 OVER Game One
    NY GIANTS - SERIES: 1-5 SUATS… 3-10 SU and 3-9-1 ATS vs NFC
    Play : Carolina
     
    These are some plays based on what may be the strongest trend numbers.  
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    Posted: Aug. 10, 2009 - 8:59 PM ET #28

    RobertoFiory ..........

    Good to see you in full stride again. . here's to a great "Trend Year" .........

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    RobertoFiory ..........

    Good to see you in full stride again. . here's to a great "Trend Year" .........

     
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    Posted: Aug. 12, 2009 - 4:41 AM ET #29

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    Posted: Aug. 12, 2009 - 1:07 PM ET #30

    Thursday : Washington @ Baltimore
     
    " totals " Trend Pick : Under 31.5
     
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    " totals " Trend Pick : Under 31.5
     
     
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    Posted: Aug. 12, 2009 - 7:47 PM ET #31

    RobertoFiory....Best of luck this season...
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    Posted: Aug. 13, 2009 - 12:52 AM ET #32

    I am now updating some preseason stats based on 2 min warning ...
    Their update now includes last year's preseason ...
    and picks based on these stats ...
    They differ slighlty in the update I had for category # 5 ( 100-69-2 ATS ) as I based the update on covers spreads, but given these stats are originally from their site ...we shall go with these :
    1. Home underdogs are 79-51 (61%)
    2. Home teams off less than 7 win years as favorites against prior year Good teams are just 11-25 (30%)
    3. Home teams off 7 to 9 win years against prior year Poor teams are 28-42 (40%)
    4. In week one, POOR prior season teams are 12-21 ATS at home against POOR or AVERAGE away teams.
    5. Underdogs have a solid 100-71 overall mark (58%) in week one.
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    I am now updating some preseason stats based on 2 min warning ...
    Their update now includes last year's preseason ...
    and picks based on these stats ...
    They differ slighlty in the update I had for category # 5 ( 100-69-2 ATS ) as I based the update on covers spreads, but given these stats are originally from their site ...we shall go with these :
    1. Home underdogs are 79-51 (61%)
    2. Home teams off less than 7 win years as favorites against prior year Good teams are just 11-25 (30%)
    3. Home teams off 7 to 9 win years against prior year Poor teams are 28-42 (40%)
    4. In week one, POOR prior season teams are 12-21 ATS at home against POOR or AVERAGE away teams.
    5. Underdogs have a solid 100-71 overall mark (58%) in week one.
     
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    NFL Preseason picks for August 13th-17th

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    Strategies
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    2+ Strategy
    Edge
    Thursday 13-Aug Washington Baltimore -3.0 5     
    Thursday 13-Aug New England Philadelphia -3.0 5     
    Thursday 13-Aug Arizona Pittsburgh -3.0 5     
    Thursday 13-Aug Dallas Oakland -1.0 4, 5    Dallas 
    Friday 14-Aug St. Louis N.Y. Jets -3.5 3, 5    St. Louis 
    Friday 14-Aug Minnesota Indianapolis +1.0   1, 5  Indianapolis 
    Friday 14-Aug Cincinnati New Orleans -3.0 3, 5    Cincinnati 
    Friday 14-Aug Denver San Francisco -3.0 5     
    Saturday 15-Aug Atlanta Detroit -3.0 2, 5    Atlanta 
    Saturday 15-Aug Chicago Buffalo -3.0 5     
    Saturday 15-Aug Tampa Bay Tennessee -3.5 5     
    Saturday 15-Aug Houston Kansas City -1.5 4, 5    Houston 
    Saturday 15-Aug Cleveland Green Bay -3.0 4, 5    Cleveland 
    Saturday 15-Aug Seattle San Diego -3.5 3, 5    Seattle 
    Sunday 17-Aug Jacksonville Miami -3.0 5     
    Sunday 17-Aug Carolina N.Y. Giants -3.0 5     

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    NFL Preseason picks for August 13th-17th

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    Thursday 13-Aug Washington Baltimore -3.0 5     
    Thursday 13-Aug New England Philadelphia -3.0 5     
    Thursday 13-Aug Arizona Pittsburgh -3.0 5     
    Thursday 13-Aug Dallas Oakland -1.0 4, 5    Dallas 
    Friday 14-Aug St. Louis N.Y. Jets -3.5 3, 5    St. Louis 
    Friday 14-Aug Minnesota Indianapolis +1.0   1, 5  Indianapolis 
    Friday 14-Aug Cincinnati New Orleans -3.0 3, 5    Cincinnati 
    Friday 14-Aug Denver San Francisco -3.0 5     
    Saturday 15-Aug Atlanta Detroit -3.0 2, 5    Atlanta 
    Saturday 15-Aug Chicago Buffalo -3.0 5     
    Saturday 15-Aug Tampa Bay Tennessee -3.5 5     
    Saturday 15-Aug Houston Kansas City -1.5 4, 5    Houston 
    Saturday 15-Aug Cleveland Green Bay -3.0 4, 5    Cleveland 
    Saturday 15-Aug Seattle San Diego -3.5 3, 5    Seattle 
    Sunday 17-Aug Jacksonville Miami -3.0 5     
    Sunday 17-Aug Carolina N.Y. Giants -3.0 5     

     
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    Games where a team is favored by more than 3 points >>>
     
    NY Jets - 3.5 vs St Louis
    NO - 3.5 vs Cinci
    Tenn - 3.5 vs TB
    SD - 3.5 vs Seattle
     
     
    How have teams fared when favored by more than 3 points last 3 years >>> ( based on covers final lines ) :
    2006-2007 : 4 games ...won 4 SU won 3 ATS
    2007-2008 : 6 games ...won 3 SU won 3 ATS
    Note : all games won by the favored team were covered ATS ...The other three teams lost SU / ATS
    2008-2009 : 4 games ...won 2 SU / won 1 ATS
    Underdogs covered big last year ( by covers numbers : 12-2-2 ...or 12-4 ATS by 2 min warning )
     
    Last 3 years by covers numbers >>>
    14 games where a team was favored by more than 3 points...
     9 of them were won by the favored team ( SU )  and 7 teams covered the spread ( ATS ) ( 50 % )
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    Games where a team is favored by more than 3 points >>>
     
    NY Jets - 3.5 vs St Louis
    NO - 3.5 vs Cinci
    Tenn - 3.5 vs TB
    SD - 3.5 vs Seattle
     
     
    How have teams fared when favored by more than 3 points last 3 years >>> ( based on covers final lines ) :
    2006-2007 : 4 games ...won 4 SU won 3 ATS
    2007-2008 : 6 games ...won 3 SU won 3 ATS
    Note : all games won by the favored team were covered ATS ...The other three teams lost SU / ATS
    2008-2009 : 4 games ...won 2 SU / won 1 ATS
    Underdogs covered big last year ( by covers numbers : 12-2-2 ...or 12-4 ATS by 2 min warning )
     
    Last 3 years by covers numbers >>>
    14 games where a team was favored by more than 3 points...
     9 of them were won by the favored team ( SU )  and 7 teams covered the spread ( ATS ) ( 50 % )
     
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    Gl  this Thursday ...be back tomorrow
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    DegoMo...you're a punkass and a degenerate.
     
     
     
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    where ya at? getting close to game time and i like to compare....
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    Thursday : Washington @ Baltimore
     
    " totals " Trend Pick : Under 31.5 winner
     
    Final score : Baltimore 23-0
     
    Trend Picks Record YTD :
     
    " Underdog " trend picks : 0-0-1
    " Favorite trend picks : 0-0-0
    " totals " trend picks : 1-0-0
     
    Overall ...Trend picks 1-0-1
     
    2008-2009 season: 
     
    " Underdog " Trend picks : 10-6
    " Favorite "  trend picks : 6-8
    " Totals " trend picks : 5-2
     
    Overall >>> Trend picks : 21-16 ( 56.7 % )  
     
    2007-2008 season:
     
    Trend Picks : 12-2-1 ( 85.7 % ) !~
     
    Last 2 years combined >>>
     
    33-18-1 ( 64.7 % )
     
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    Thursday : Washington @ Baltimore
     
    " totals " Trend Pick : Under 31.5 winner
     
    Final score : Baltimore 23-0
     
    Trend Picks Record YTD :
     
    " Underdog " trend picks : 0-0-1
    " Favorite trend picks : 0-0-0
    " totals " trend picks : 1-0-0
     
    Overall ...Trend picks 1-0-1
     
    2008-2009 season: 
     
    " Underdog " Trend picks : 10-6
    " Favorite "  trend picks : 6-8
    " Totals " trend picks : 5-2
     
    Overall >>> Trend picks : 21-16 ( 56.7 % )  
     
    2007-2008 season:
     
    Trend Picks : 12-2-1 ( 85.7 % ) !~
     
    Last 2 years combined >>>
     
    33-18-1 ( 64.7 % )
     
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    Pending Trend Pick :
     
    Saturday Aug 15 >>> Cleveland + 3 @ GB
     
    Adding :
     
    Saturday Aug 15 >>> Chicago + 3 @ Buffalo
     
    Chicago at Buffalo (7:00 p.m. EDT)
    Chicago - SERIES: 8-1 SU/ATS… 8-2 Away One Game One… 7-3-1 vs AFC… SMITH: 6-1 dog 3 >
    BUFFALO - 3-13 Home One… 0-10 UNDER vs NFC…
    0-4 UNDER Game 1… JAURON: 1-9 SU and 0-10 last ten home
     
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    These are both in the " underdog " category
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    Pending Trend Pick :
     
    Saturday Aug 15 >>> Cleveland + 3 @ GB
     
    Adding :
     
    Saturday Aug 15 >>> Chicago + 3 @ Buffalo
     
    Chicago at Buffalo (7:00 p.m. EDT)
    Chicago - SERIES: 8-1 SU/ATS… 8-2 Away One Game One… 7-3-1 vs AFC… SMITH: 6-1 dog 3 >
    BUFFALO - 3-13 Home One… 0-10 UNDER vs NFC…
    0-4 UNDER Game 1… JAURON: 1-9 SU and 0-10 last ten home
     
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    These are both in the " underdog " category
     
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    Some interesting notes on preseason...by proinfosports
     
     MOTIVATION

     the primary objective of an NFL team in an exhibition game is not necessarily to win, but to get ready to win during the regular season, so when one team IS motivated to win a practice game, and that desire is not going to be matched by its opponent, they will have a big edge.
     
    Play ON a team that has a stated goal of winning the game. Of course, every team has a stated goal of winning during the regular season and playoffs, but it’s not the case during the preseason. A good team with a lot of veterans and nothing much to prove during practice games may simply want to get out of the contest unscathed. This! is why when one side’s goal is to win an exhibition win, they will have a decided edge against an opponent that is not making winning the game a priority.
     
    Play
    AGAINST a team relaxed off a win and not concerned about another victory. Usually, a win in the preseason allows a coach to feel zero pressure the following week, and he can look at players. Generally, teams are weaker ATS after a win, and it intensifies with streaks. The opposite is true as well…
     
    Play
    ON a team hungry off a loss and feeling some pressure. Usually, a loss in the preseason will mean negative press and questions at training camp. This may lead to a coach going for a win the following week so generally, teams are stronger ATS after a loss, and again, it intensifies with streaks.
     
    Play AGAINST a team off a superb performance by its 1st and 2nd-stringers. If a veteran unit dominated its counterpart in the previous game, ther! e’s a good chance they will be given little work in the ! next exhibition. Once more, the opposite applies…
     
    Play ON a team off a poor performance by its 1st and 2nd-stringers. If a veteran unit was dominated by its counterpart in the previous game, there’s a good chance they will have a fire lit under them. 

    Play ON a team looking to prove themselves against a conference champion. - Teams looki! ng for a confidence-building victory will have extra incentive to play well and beat a Super Bowl team, especially in conference games.

    Play ON a team in a revenge situation. - If a team suffered an embarrassment in their last meeting, they’ll have extra motivation for a victory.

    Play AGAINST a team dealing with a major distraction. - Most teams are disinterested in preseason games in a normal training camp. Should a team suffer a major distraction in August, such as the starting QB/team leader being cut, a high-profile player engaged in a bitter holdout, or anything else that takes the focus off the field, expect an especially uninspired and sloppy effort. While teams can sometimes use adversity for motivation during the regular season, they aren’t likely to waste such emotion for a meaningless practice game.

    QB ROTATIONS

    Play AGAINST a team with rookie QBs that will see significant playing time, such as the 2nd half of a game, especially in Week 1. These young QBs are often late round picks and undrafted free agents, not the cream of the quarterbacking crop. Their unfamiliarity with the offensive scheme and speed of NFL defenders often give them trouble. Even great college QBs can get “schooled” in the preseason.

    Play ON a team with experienced back-up QBs that have prior experience with the team and will see significant playing time, such as the 2nd half of a game. This will happen most frequently early in the preseason, especially Week 1. Due to their familiarity with the offensive scheme and speed of NFL defenders, these veteran QBs are much less likely to make critical mistakes.

    Play ON a team with a battle between 2 good, motivated QBs for the starting position, especially if the 1st-string offense will see extended playing time in order to have playing time with both QBs. This can create a huge mismatch, where the 2nd QB and 1st-string offense is going up against an opponent’s backups.

     

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     MOTIVATION

     the primary objective of an NFL team in an exhibition game is not necessarily to win, but to get ready to win during the regular season, so when one team IS motivated to win a practice game, and that desire is not going to be matched by its opponent, they will have a big edge.
     
    Play ON a team that has a stated goal of winning the game. Of course, every team has a stated goal of winning during the regular season and playoffs, but it’s not the case during the preseason. A good team with a lot of veterans and nothing much to prove during practice games may simply want to get out of the contest unscathed. This! is why when one side’s goal is to win an exhibition win, they will have a decided edge against an opponent that is not making winning the game a priority.
     
    Play
    AGAINST a team relaxed off a win and not concerned about another victory. Usually, a win in the preseason allows a coach to feel zero pressure the following week, and he can look at players. Generally, teams are weaker ATS after a win, and it intensifies with streaks. The opposite is true as well…
     
    Play
    ON a team hungry off a loss and feeling some pressure. Usually, a loss in the preseason will mean negative press and questions at training camp. This may lead to a coach going for a win the following week so generally, teams are stronger ATS after a loss, and again, it intensifies with streaks.
     
    Play AGAINST a team off a superb performance by its 1st and 2nd-stringers. If a veteran unit dominated its counterpart in the previous game, ther! e’s a good chance they will be given little work in the ! next exhibition. Once more, the opposite applies…
     
    Play ON a team off a poor performance by its 1st and 2nd-stringers. If a veteran unit was dominated by its counterpart in the previous game, there’s a good chance they will have a fire lit under them. 

    Play ON a team looking to prove themselves against a conference champion. - Teams looki! ng for a confidence-building victory will have extra incentive to play well and beat a Super Bowl team, especially in conference games.

    Play ON a team in a revenge situation. - If a team suffered an embarrassment in their last meeting, they’ll have extra motivation for a victory.

    Play AGAINST a team dealing with a major distraction. - Most teams are disinterested in preseason games in a normal training camp. Should a team suffer a major distraction in August, such as the starting QB/team leader being cut, a high-profile player engaged in a bitter holdout, or anything else that takes the focus off the field, expect an especially uninspired and sloppy effort. While teams can sometimes use adversity for motivation during the regular season, they aren’t likely to waste such emotion for a meaningless practice game.

    QB ROTATIONS

    Play AGAINST a team with rookie QBs that will see significant playing time, such as the 2nd half of a game, especially in Week 1. These young QBs are often late round picks and undrafted free agents, not the cream of the quarterbacking crop. Their unfamiliarity with the offensive scheme and speed of NFL defenders often give them trouble. Even great college QBs can get “schooled” in the preseason.

    Play ON a team with experienced back-up QBs that have prior experience with the team and will see significant playing time, such as the 2nd half of a game. This will happen most frequently early in the preseason, especially Week 1. Due to their familiarity with the offensive scheme and speed of NFL defenders, these veteran QBs are much less likely to make critical mistakes.

    Play ON a team with a battle between 2 good, motivated QBs for the starting position, especially if the 1st-string offense will see extended playing time in order to have playing time with both QBs. This can create a huge mismatch, where the 2nd QB and 1st-string offense is going up against an opponent’s backups.

     

     
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    COACHING

    Some coaches do not care if they lose a preseason game, while some coaches hate to lose any game at all – even exhibition games. This is a good time to look for a team that's coached by a guy who has a stated goal of winning the game. Some coaches are looking to establish a winning atmosphere in a particular role - at home, on the road, against superior competition, etc. Again, this would be a situation to back such a head coach and his team. New coaches are taking their first tour as captain of the ship. These rookie coaches are naturally eager to get that first “W” under their belt to prove to themselves, the team owner, and the rest of the league they can win, even if it's just a preseason game.

    On the other hand, some “new” coaches aren’t new at all. Veteran head coaches that are simply changing cities do not figure to make winning an exhibition game a high priority.

    Other "Play ON" situations involving head coaches in the NFL preseason:

    * A team with a new head coach or assistant that was previously with his new team’s current opponent. This situation is especially strong if the coach left with a bitter taste in his mouth and/or his new team is an underdog. These coaches know their ex-team and ex-players very well, and if the schemes they left behind are still in tact, they will have a a huge gameplanning edge.

    * A team with a coach that is gameplanning for his opponent. Most coaches don’t do this for a preseason game, but if a coach is studying films of an opponent’s schemes and plans plays to attack those specific schemes, he is playing to win.

    * A coach that has a rivalry with another coach and wants to beat him. When there is bad blood between 2 coaches, expect an extraordinary exhibition game between them.

    * A coach in a historically strong preseason situation. Some do better at home, on the road, as an underdog, or even a favorite.

    * A coach whose job is on the line. Coming off a poor year and on the hot seat, such a coach will tend to be more motivated than one who knows he has job security.

    Finally, play ON a coach that is gaining an advantage for his team by not adhering to the preseason “formula” which is as follows:

    Game One - Starters go a couple of series or about one quarter; top backups into the second half; then mostly reserves, rookies and free agents the rest of the way.

    Game Two - Starters go most or even (or all) of the first half; backups deep into the third (or early fourth) quarter; reserves the rest of the way.

    Game Three - This is usually a team's main dress rehearsal for opening day. Starters play one-half to three-quarters of the game, backups most of the rest of the way; reserves see action depending mostly on the situation.

    Game Four - This is often a "throwaway" game for coaches, who are usually much more concerned about their opening-day opponent than they are about this practice finale. Starters often play only a couple of series or so; maybe less; some maybe not at all. Any key players with nagging injuries will be held out. Backups and reserves play the majority of the game, with promising youngsters getting one final chance to win a spot on the roster.

    Some coaches like to start out the preseason with a win, and then look at their players in the other games. Some like to get 2 wins before relaxing and looking at players. Some may use the 2nd game as the regular season dress rehearsal instead of the 3rd. Some coaches may feel it’s very important to win the last exhibition game for the sake of momentum.

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    Some coaches do not care if they lose a preseason game, while some coaches hate to lose any game at all – even exhibition games. This is a good time to look for a team that's coached by a guy who has a stated goal of winning the game. Some coaches are looking to establish a winning atmosphere in a particular role - at home, on the road, against superior competition, etc. Again, this would be a situation to back such a head coach and his team. New coaches are taking their first tour as captain of the ship. These rookie coaches are naturally eager to get that first “W” under their belt to prove to themselves, the team owner, and the rest of the league they can win, even if it's just a preseason game.

    On the other hand, some “new” coaches aren’t new at all. Veteran head coaches that are simply changing cities do not figure to make winning an exhibition game a high priority.

    Other "Play ON" situations involving head coaches in the NFL preseason:

    * A team with a new head coach or assistant that was previously with his new team’s current opponent. This situation is especially strong if the coach left with a bitter taste in his mouth and/or his new team is an underdog. These coaches know their ex-team and ex-players very well, and if the schemes they left behind are still in tact, they will have a a huge gameplanning edge.

    * A team with a coach that is gameplanning for his opponent. Most coaches don’t do this for a preseason game, but if a coach is studying films of an opponent’s schemes and plans plays to attack those specific schemes, he is playing to win.

    * A coach that has a rivalry with another coach and wants to beat him. When there is bad blood between 2 coaches, expect an extraordinary exhibition game between them.

    * A coach in a historically strong preseason situation. Some do better at home, on the road, as an underdog, or even a favorite.

    * A coach whose job is on the line. Coming off a poor year and on the hot seat, such a coach will tend to be more motivated than one who knows he has job security.

    Finally, play ON a coach that is gaining an advantage for his team by not adhering to the preseason “formula” which is as follows:

    Game One - Starters go a couple of series or about one quarter; top backups into the second half; then mostly reserves, rookies and free agents the rest of the way.

    Game Two - Starters go most or even (or all) of the first half; backups deep into the third (or early fourth) quarter; reserves the rest of the way.

    Game Three - This is usually a team's main dress rehearsal for opening day. Starters play one-half to three-quarters of the game, backups most of the rest of the way; reserves see action depending mostly on the situation.

    Game Four - This is often a "throwaway" game for coaches, who are usually much more concerned about their opening-day opponent than they are about this practice finale. Starters often play only a couple of series or so; maybe less; some maybe not at all. Any key players with nagging injuries will be held out. Backups and reserves play the majority of the game, with promising youngsters getting one final chance to win a spot on the roster.

    Some coaches like to start out the preseason with a win, and then look at their players in the other games. Some like to get 2 wins before relaxing and looking at players. Some may use the 2nd game as the regular season dress rehearsal instead of the 3rd. Some coaches may feel it’s very important to win the last exhibition game for the sake of momentum.

     
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    GAMEPLAN
     
    a team that has a successful gameplan is quite likely to play to their strength during the season in order to give themselves the best chance of winning the game. In the preseason however, is when teams are more apt to try different things; therefore,

    * Play AGAINST a team that is ignoring its strength to work on a weakness.

    During exhibition season it’s common for a team with an excellent passing attack to practice their running attack. Likewise, last year’s excellent running teams are likely to be doing a lot of passing. A team simply doesn’t need to work its strongest stuff while ignoring its weaknesses. Running its weakest plays or the ones that need the most work won't usually mean a lot of success.

    * Play ON a team with more roster spots open, especially early in the preseason.

    They will tend to get the better backups into camp. Teams with more roster spots open are usually teams that had poor records the year before, often preseason underdogs.

    * Play AGAINST a favorite off a playoff season that figures to be playoff bound again with basically the same team, especially early in the preseason.

    Teams with most of their roster spots already filled usually lack quality free agent rookies. There simply aren’t a lot of positions open on those type of teams, making them unattractive to the better free agents – the ones with options to go to more than one training camp.

    * Play AGAINST a team that will not have key starters playing against an opponent not resting its key players.

    Some coaches don’t see any need to risk undue injury during the exhibition season to those players whom he already knows will be starters.

    * Play AGAINST a team that is working on developing a cohesive offensive line.

    Here, an established starting QB (and RB) is likely to be risked little behind an inexperienced line of rookies and free agents. In this situation, we are presented with untried linemen trying to protect a 2nd-string QB and block for 2nd-string RBs.

    * Play AGAINST a team that’s auditioning a new center.

    Due to every play requiring a successful snap and the center’s role of making blocking calls for the entire offensive line, the center is easily the most undervalued position on the field by bettors.
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    a team that has a successful gameplan is quite likely to play to their strength during the season in order to give themselves the best chance of winning the game. In the preseason however, is when teams are more apt to try different things; therefore,

    * Play AGAINST a team that is ignoring its strength to work on a weakness.

    During exhibition season it’s common for a team with an excellent passing attack to practice their running attack. Likewise, last year’s excellent running teams are likely to be doing a lot of passing. A team simply doesn’t need to work its strongest stuff while ignoring its weaknesses. Running its weakest plays or the ones that need the most work won't usually mean a lot of success.

    * Play ON a team with more roster spots open, especially early in the preseason.

    They will tend to get the better backups into camp. Teams with more roster spots open are usually teams that had poor records the year before, often preseason underdogs.

    * Play AGAINST a favorite off a playoff season that figures to be playoff bound again with basically the same team, especially early in the preseason.

    Teams with most of their roster spots already filled usually lack quality free agent rookies. There simply aren’t a lot of positions open on those type of teams, making them unattractive to the better free agents – the ones with options to go to more than one training camp.

    * Play AGAINST a team that will not have key starters playing against an opponent not resting its key players.

    Some coaches don’t see any need to risk undue injury during the exhibition season to those players whom he already knows will be starters.

    * Play AGAINST a team that is working on developing a cohesive offensive line.

    Here, an established starting QB (and RB) is likely to be risked little behind an inexperienced line of rookies and free agents. In this situation, we are presented with untried linemen trying to protect a 2nd-string QB and block for 2nd-string RBs.

    * Play AGAINST a team that’s auditioning a new center.

    Due to every play requiring a successful snap and the center’s role of making blocking calls for the entire offensive line, the center is easily the most undervalued position on the field by bettors.
     
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    miscellaneous tips regarding pointspreads
     
    More than anything, handicapping is about finding which side, if any, offers "line value". To that end:

    Play AGAINST a team that won and covered last week due to a factor that is public knowledge and now has nil or negative line value.

    Don’t expect a clearly decisive factor that’s obvious to everyone to again be the decisive factor in the team’s next game. Players and teams off a great performance can relax and the line will be adjusted due to public perception.

    The converse is true as well -

    Play ON a team that lost SU & ATS last week due to a factor that is public knowledge and now has line value.

    Again, don’t expect a clearly decisive factor that’s obvious to everyone to again be the decisive factor in the team’s next game. Players and teams off a poor performance gain experience and will work hard to correct mistakes, and the line will be adjusted, creating line value.

    Play AGAINST a team with a line move of more than 2 points in its direction when t! he move is not justified by circumstances.

    Many of the usual factors can get quickly built into the line, which leads to tremendous value on the other side.
    Edges based on information like player rotation are present, but small ones in exhibition play, and when the line moves too far, the edge can turn around.
     While seeing major line moves creates an image of “steam” with real “inside information” crashing the board, the reality is that it does not take much money at all to move these games.
     
    So many sports book operators get nervous at this time of year that not only does a little money move a game a bit, but the notion of moving on air (changing the line because it has moved at other key stores) is quite popular.
    Therefore a wager based on a small amount of information can turn into a pointspread avalanche, especially when the betting public follows on top of the first move, believing that the “wise guys” really know something.
    These are still only exhibition games, with most outcomes being decided more on mistakes than on merit, and some are nothing more than crap shoots.
     Sometimes, though, a crap shoot with line value can be a winning proposition.

    Play AGAINST a team that is a public consensus play.

    These teams backed by 70%+ of the betting masses at contest sites and sportsbooks are fool's gold. When 7 out of 10 bettors think they know more than the oddsmakers, it's time to get out of the way and allow the sportsbooks to show why once again how they stay in business.

    Play ON a team that has the line or "juice" moving against it, despite more money being wagered on its opponent.

    The biggest sportsbooks sometimes don't move a line based upon the amount of money, but rather upon what they consider sharp money. This "reverse line move" reveals where the smart money is, even if its less overall than the square money.
    There's a reason it's called "smart" money.
    Usually, only a huge injury would ever move an NFL line as aggressively as "sharp" activity can move a small conference college line.
    Bookmakers combat that by adding juice instead of points, but the same principle applies as to where the "smart" money is going.
     
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    miscellaneous tips regarding pointspreads
     
    More than anything, handicapping is about finding which side, if any, offers "line value". To that end:

    Play AGAINST a team that won and covered last week due to a factor that is public knowledge and now has nil or negative line value.

    Don’t expect a clearly decisive factor that’s obvious to everyone to again be the decisive factor in the team’s next game. Players and teams off a great performance can relax and the line will be adjusted due to public perception.

    The converse is true as well -

    Play ON a team that lost SU & ATS last week due to a factor that is public knowledge and now has line value.

    Again, don’t expect a clearly decisive factor that’s obvious to everyone to again be the decisive factor in the team’s next game. Players and teams off a poor performance gain experience and will work hard to correct mistakes, and the line will be adjusted, creating line value.

    Play AGAINST a team with a line move of more than 2 points in its direction when t! he move is not justified by circumstances.

    Many of the usual factors can get quickly built into the line, which leads to tremendous value on the other side.
    Edges based on information like player rotation are present, but small ones in exhibition play, and when the line moves too far, the edge can turn around.
     While seeing major line moves creates an image of “steam” with real “inside information” crashing the board, the reality is that it does not take much money at all to move these games.
     
    So many sports book operators get nervous at this time of year that not only does a little money move a game a bit, but the notion of moving on air (changing the line because it has moved at other key stores) is quite popular.
    Therefore a wager based on a small amount of information can turn into a pointspread avalanche, especially when the betting public follows on top of the first move, believing that the “wise guys” really know something.
    These are still only exhibition games, with most outcomes being decided more on mistakes than on merit, and some are nothing more than crap shoots.
     Sometimes, though, a crap shoot with line value can be a winning proposition.

    Play AGAINST a team that is a public consensus play.

    These teams backed by 70%+ of the betting masses at contest sites and sportsbooks are fool's gold. When 7 out of 10 bettors think they know more than the oddsmakers, it's time to get out of the way and allow the sportsbooks to show why once again how they stay in business.

    Play ON a team that has the line or "juice" moving against it, despite more money being wagered on its opponent.

    The biggest sportsbooks sometimes don't move a line based upon the amount of money, but rather upon what they consider sharp money. This "reverse line move" reveals where the smart money is, even if its less overall than the square money.
    There's a reason it's called "smart" money.
    Usually, only a huge injury would ever move an NFL line as aggressively as "sharp" activity can move a small conference college line.
    Bookmakers combat that by adding juice instead of points, but the same principle applies as to where the "smart" money is going.
     
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    Hey Roberto, lotta' of good info' as usual. Hope you've been doing well. This one's simple, fade the Colts, again, in preseason. Caldwell/Dungy, no difference in philosophy... Big line movement today, good reasons though, check it out (I'm sure you have)
     
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    Hey Roberto, lotta' of good info' as usual. Hope you've been doing well. This one's simple, fade the Colts, again, in preseason. Caldwell/Dungy, no difference in philosophy... Big line movement today, good reasons though, check it out (I'm sure you have)
     
    MINNY -1 tonight
     
    Let's rock and roll 2009-2010!
     
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    Hey Robert, just wanted to take a min out to thank you for your obvious time and effort that you have put into your research, and for sharing it with those of us who are trying to gain that competitive edge over the house. Thank you for helping add to the wealth of knowledge and experience on this site.
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    Hey Robert, just wanted to take a min out to thank you for your obvious time and effort that you have put into your research, and for sharing it with those of us who are trying to gain that competitive edge over the house. Thank you for helping add to the wealth of knowledge and experience on this site.
     
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    Outstanding Thread!!!
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    Outstanding Thread!!!
     
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    Posted: Aug. 15, 2009 - 4:34 AM ET #49

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    mrusso...Nice hit
     
     
     
     
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    Thanks for all that info!!
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