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     SAINTS @ 49ERS

    There is opportunity in betting games that the public has a skewed view of.  The Saints / 49ers game is one of those games.

    My contention is that the Saints are not nearly as dominant as what the public thinks they are on the road playing top ranked talent, and in open air stadiums.  They have played only one playoff team on the road in an open air stadium, and lost (GB).  Even against mediocre opponents on the road their performance dropped off significantly, and add the open air stadium factor, they get even worse. 

    Overall scoring:

    The Saints are behind the league leading Packers in total pts scored by only 13 pts for the season.

    In the SuperDome:

    ·       @ home the Saints average 41.6 ppg

    Saints away from the SuperDome

    ·       They average 27.25 pts  per game on the road.  (14.35 less pts per game than @ home)

    ·       In open air stadiums they average 25.8 ppg (15.8 ppg less than @ home)

    ·       At home, their average scoring margin is +22.6 pts

    ·       Away their average scoring margin is +2.75 pts (a difference of almost 20 pts per game)

    ·       In open air stadiums, the Saints scoring margin is +1.4 (that is against 5 teams with only 2 teams with winning records:  Tennessee and Green Bay)

     

    In open air stadiums:

    ·       The Saints are 3-2 for a combined score of 129-122 (average score of 25.8 to 24.4)

    ·       The Saints have played only 1 playoff team away/open air:  Green Bay and Lost 37-42

    ·       They average 25.8 ppg in open air stadiums (vs Green Bay, Jacksonville, Carolina, Tampa Bay, Tennessee.)

    ·       Only 1 of the Saints last 10 games were played in an open top stadium, and not counting that game; the Saints averaged 36.7 ppg, and that one game away/outdoors?  Tennessee where they hung on to win 22-17.

    Vs Quality teams:

    ·       On the road Vs. Top 10 pass defenses, top 10 defenses, or vs top 10 pass offenses the Saints are: GB L 34-42, Jacksonville W 23-10, STL L 21-31, Atlanta  W 26-23,  2-2 with a negative combined score of  104 to 106 (ave. score of 26 to 26.5).


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     SAINTS @ 49ERS

    There is opportunity in betting games that the public has a skewed view of.  The Saints / 49ers game is one of those games.

    My contention is that the Saints are not nearly as dominant as what the public thinks they are on the road playing top ranked talent, and in open air stadiums.  They have played only one playoff team on the road in an open air stadium, and lost (GB).  Even against mediocre opponents on the road their performance dropped off significantly, and add the open air stadium factor, they get even worse. 

    Overall scoring:

    The Saints are behind the league leading Packers in total pts scored by only 13 pts for the season.

    In the SuperDome:

    ·       @ home the Saints average 41.6 ppg

    Saints away from the SuperDome

    ·       They average 27.25 pts  per game on the road.  (14.35 less pts per game than @ home)

    ·       In open air stadiums they average 25.8 ppg (15.8 ppg less than @ home)

    ·       At home, their average scoring margin is +22.6 pts

    ·       Away their average scoring margin is +2.75 pts (a difference of almost 20 pts per game)

    ·       In open air stadiums, the Saints scoring margin is +1.4 (that is against 5 teams with only 2 teams with winning records:  Tennessee and Green Bay)

     

    In open air stadiums:

    ·       The Saints are 3-2 for a combined score of 129-122 (average score of 25.8 to 24.4)

    ·       The Saints have played only 1 playoff team away/open air:  Green Bay and Lost 37-42

    ·       They average 25.8 ppg in open air stadiums (vs Green Bay, Jacksonville, Carolina, Tampa Bay, Tennessee.)

    ·       Only 1 of the Saints last 10 games were played in an open top stadium, and not counting that game; the Saints averaged 36.7 ppg, and that one game away/outdoors?  Tennessee where they hung on to win 22-17.

    Vs Quality teams:

    ·       On the road Vs. Top 10 pass defenses, top 10 defenses, or vs top 10 pass offenses the Saints are: GB L 34-42, Jacksonville W 23-10, STL L 21-31, Atlanta  W 26-23,  2-2 with a negative combined score of  104 to 106 (ave. score of 26 to 26.5).


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    Posted: Jan. 13, 2012 - 10:38 PM ET #2

    Turnover margin in away games:

    They Vs Green Bay -1, they lost, Vs Jacksonville -1, they won,  Vs Tampa Bay -4, they lost, Vs STL -1 they lost, They played 8 away games, they lost the turnover battle in 4 of those games, and lost 3 of them.  In those 4 games they had a combined score of  98 to 109 (that includes playing Jacksonville with their league worst offense)  NOTE:  The 49ers have failed to win a games turnover battle by +1 or better only twice this season: vs Detroit, and vs Baltimore, and the Saints have a negative season turnover margin of -3.

    Last Saints playoff wins on the road:

    0, none, nada, not one in their history.

     

    San Francisco:

    Is a run it up the gut, and pass into the flat type of team (only 7.1 yards per pass).   The Saints have a much better run D, than their pass D.  Look for Harbaugh to use more passes (short passes into the flat) to offset N.O.’s blitz packages. 

    San Fran has averaged the NFL’s  8th best yards per rush average, but they have struggled to run the ball vs top 10 run defenses (vs Dallas 3.1 per carry, vs cincy 1.7 per carry, vs Baltimore 3.5, vs pitt 3.3).  New Orlean’s 6th ranked run D will necessitate San Fran establish a passing game early.  San Fran will pass on the vast majority of  1st downs, but we may see a noticeable increase of passing on 3rd downs as well (to attack N.O.’s weak passing D, and to offset their blitz’s with short passes into the flat). 

    Strategies:

    Harbaugh is going to establish the short passing game right away in hopes of making the Saints loosen up their loading of the box.  49ers know they are in trouble if they don’t get an early lead so they are going to use short passes, passes to the flat, and draws to make the Saints pay for their over the top blitzes.  The 49ers get a lead they will try to slow the game down and work the clock.

    Peyton:  He is going to attempt the run even less than he normally does, but that is going to leave him vulnerable to the 49ers opportunistic defense.  His team is substantially less effective on real grass, and the fact the Candlestick Park is very close to sea level will perpetuate the disadvantage of less secure footing that will hurt N.O. substantially more than it hurts the 49ers.  Should the 49ers get a lead Brees will take more chances than he normally does.

     

    Intagiables: 

    ·       N.O. has went 9 straight ATS, if they beat the spread on Saturday, they will be the 3rd  team to have a 10, or more game win streak vs ATS in the last 25 (or more) years.   If the Saints wins vs the spread for the next 3 games, it will be the first time that was done in 25 years by any team.

    ·       The Saints have never won a road playoff game…EVER

    I have this @ the 

    SAN FRANCISCO +4

    NEW ORLEANS / SAN FRANCISCO UNDER 47.5

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    Turnover margin in away games:

    They Vs Green Bay -1, they lost, Vs Jacksonville -1, they won,  Vs Tampa Bay -4, they lost, Vs STL -1 they lost, They played 8 away games, they lost the turnover battle in 4 of those games, and lost 3 of them.  In those 4 games they had a combined score of  98 to 109 (that includes playing Jacksonville with their league worst offense)  NOTE:  The 49ers have failed to win a games turnover battle by +1 or better only twice this season: vs Detroit, and vs Baltimore, and the Saints have a negative season turnover margin of -3.

    Last Saints playoff wins on the road:

    0, none, nada, not one in their history.

     

    San Francisco:

    Is a run it up the gut, and pass into the flat type of team (only 7.1 yards per pass).   The Saints have a much better run D, than their pass D.  Look for Harbaugh to use more passes (short passes into the flat) to offset N.O.’s blitz packages. 

    San Fran has averaged the NFL’s  8th best yards per rush average, but they have struggled to run the ball vs top 10 run defenses (vs Dallas 3.1 per carry, vs cincy 1.7 per carry, vs Baltimore 3.5, vs pitt 3.3).  New Orlean’s 6th ranked run D will necessitate San Fran establish a passing game early.  San Fran will pass on the vast majority of  1st downs, but we may see a noticeable increase of passing on 3rd downs as well (to attack N.O.’s weak passing D, and to offset their blitz’s with short passes into the flat). 

    Strategies:

    Harbaugh is going to establish the short passing game right away in hopes of making the Saints loosen up their loading of the box.  49ers know they are in trouble if they don’t get an early lead so they are going to use short passes, passes to the flat, and draws to make the Saints pay for their over the top blitzes.  The 49ers get a lead they will try to slow the game down and work the clock.

    Peyton:  He is going to attempt the run even less than he normally does, but that is going to leave him vulnerable to the 49ers opportunistic defense.  His team is substantially less effective on real grass, and the fact the Candlestick Park is very close to sea level will perpetuate the disadvantage of less secure footing that will hurt N.O. substantially more than it hurts the 49ers.  Should the 49ers get a lead Brees will take more chances than he normally does.

     

    Intagiables: 

    ·       N.O. has went 9 straight ATS, if they beat the spread on Saturday, they will be the 3rd  team to have a 10, or more game win streak vs ATS in the last 25 (or more) years.   If the Saints wins vs the spread for the next 3 games, it will be the first time that was done in 25 years by any team.

    ·       The Saints have never won a road playoff game…EVER

    I have this @ the 

    SAN FRANCISCO +4

    NEW ORLEANS / SAN FRANCISCO UNDER 47.5

     
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    Posted: Jan. 13, 2012 - 10:44 PM ET #3

    Great write up, there's certainly value in taking the niners tomorrow because of all the reasons you listed. Anyone that watched that game last week with the saints knows that not only did the saints have two turnovers, the lions also dropped 2 or 3 that should have been int's. 
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    Great write up, there's certainly value in taking the niners tomorrow because of all the reasons you listed. Anyone that watched that game last week with the saints knows that not only did the saints have two turnovers, the lions also dropped 2 or 3 that should have been int's. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 13, 2012 - 10:47 PM ET #4

    very insightful information.   Good luck,  thinking the under but I can not go against a hot qb like Brees.  Alex Smith and Drew Brees has no comparisons.  I know they got beat by Seattle last year and maybe it happens again but ...
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    very insightful information.   Good luck,  thinking the under but I can not go against a hot qb like Brees.  Alex Smith and Drew Brees has no comparisons.  I know they got beat by Seattle last year and maybe it happens again but ...
     
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    Posted: Jan. 13, 2012 - 10:49 PM ET #5

    Nice write up. I think you see a niners offense turn it loose tomorrow, that doesn't mean they'll be like gb or the saints, but well see some plays that will suprise us. Much respect to the saints, I'm a niners fan, but I feel that saints d is going to faulter tomorrow.
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    Nice write up. I think you see a niners offense turn it loose tomorrow, that doesn't mean they'll be like gb or the saints, but well see some plays that will suprise us. Much respect to the saints, I'm a niners fan, but I feel that saints d is going to faulter tomorrow.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by degengambler34:

    Great write up, there's certainly value in taking the niners tomorrow because of all the reasons you listed. Anyone that watched that game last week with the saints knows that not only did the saints have two turnovers, the lions also dropped 2 or 3 that should have been int's. 
    @ degengambler34... thanks buddy.  the greatest opportunity is in games that the betting public sees/perceives an extreme opinion, while there is disparity going the other way.  In short, the Saints are actually  mediocre at best (yes, offensively) in open air stadiums, but the betting public sees only the high flying act that has been on display in nationally televised games.... GL 2 U 
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    Quote Originally Posted by degengambler34:

    Great write up, there's certainly value in taking the niners tomorrow because of all the reasons you listed. Anyone that watched that game last week with the saints knows that not only did the saints have two turnovers, the lions also dropped 2 or 3 that should have been int's. 
    @ degengambler34... thanks buddy.  the greatest opportunity is in games that the betting public sees/perceives an extreme opinion, while there is disparity going the other way.  In short, the Saints are actually  mediocre at best (yes, offensively) in open air stadiums, but the betting public sees only the high flying act that has been on display in nationally televised games.... GL 2 U 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 14, 2012 - 12:25 AM ET #7

    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowWarrior:

    very insightful information.   Good luck,  thinking the under but I can not go against a hot qb like Brees.  
    Alex Smith and Drew Brees has no comparisons.  I know they got beat by Seattle last year and maybe it happens again but ...
    statistically, I have to disagree in this setting;... Alex Smith is ranked 8th in passer rating with a 91.4 passer rating (Season), and Brees is only averaging a rating of 93.27 away from the Superdome (not counting the late season game vs the Vikings when they had a 3rd string secondary)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowWarrior:

    very insightful information.   Good luck,  thinking the under but I can not go against a hot qb like Brees.  
    Alex Smith and Drew Brees has no comparisons.  I know they got beat by Seattle last year and maybe it happens again but ...
    statistically, I have to disagree in this setting;... Alex Smith is ranked 8th in passer rating with a 91.4 passer rating (Season), and Brees is only averaging a rating of 93.27 away from the Superdome (not counting the late season game vs the Vikings when they had a 3rd string secondary)
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by GSW0716:

    Nice write up. I think you see a niners offense turn it loose tomorrow, that doesn't mean they'll be like gb or the saints,
    but well see some plays that will suprise us. Much respect to the saints, I'm a niners fan, but I feel that saints d is going to faulter tomorrow.
     agreed... watch the 49ers all season on 1st downs (pass pass pass), yet no one notices this.... they are a super high % pass team on first down, but I think we will see an overall 47% to 50% pass mix in the first half from the 9ers...which will be surprising to most people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GSW0716:

    Nice write up. I think you see a niners offense turn it loose tomorrow, that doesn't mean they'll be like gb or the saints,
    but well see some plays that will suprise us. Much respect to the saints, I'm a niners fan, but I feel that saints d is going to faulter tomorrow.
     agreed... watch the 49ers all season on 1st downs (pass pass pass), yet no one notices this.... they are a super high % pass team on first down, but I think we will see an overall 47% to 50% pass mix in the first half from the 9ers...which will be surprising to most people.
     
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    The fact that all your stats concentrate on the Saints and show none for the 49ers is a clear case of data mining...a BIG  among any statistician.

    I also find it odd that it is somehow a bad thing that the Saints average 27 points per game on the road.  On the flip side, all 32 NFL teams would kill to have that road average if they don't already have it.  That is insane.

    How about some 49er stats for those who'd like to know and not lose money?

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    The fact that all your stats concentrate on the Saints and show none for the 49ers is a clear case of data mining...a BIG  among any statistician.

    I also find it odd that it is somehow a bad thing that the Saints average 27 points per game on the road.  On the flip side, all 32 NFL teams would kill to have that road average if they don't already have it.  That is insane.

    How about some 49er stats for those who'd like to know and not lose money?

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KScapping:

    statistically, I have to disagree in this setting;... Alex Smith is ranked 8th in passer rating with a 91.4 passer rating (Season), and Brees is only averaging a rating of 93.27 away from the Superdome (not counting the late season game vs the Vikings when they had a 3rd string secondary)

    If thats the case, need to remove both of Alex Smith's games against the Rams...no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KScapping:

    statistically, I have to disagree in this setting;... Alex Smith is ranked 8th in passer rating with a 91.4 passer rating (Season), and Brees is only averaging a rating of 93.27 away from the Superdome (not counting the late season game vs the Vikings when they had a 3rd string secondary)

    If thats the case, need to remove both of Alex Smith's games against the Rams...no?

     
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    Love the insight!! Im on the niners as well +4 BOL
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    always a great write k I def agree saints are a very diff team on the road in open stadiums. I just dont see alex smith lighting the lamp and i certainly dont see a battle of kickers. See a 24 or 17 to 10 or 13. Think the saints cover but i think it stays under the number. saints defense isnt anything special but either is the san fran offense. wouldnt bet money against brees w spread under 7.5 dont see value in it as the saints offense produces tds san fran produces fgs
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    always a great write k I def agree saints are a very diff team on the road in open stadiums. I just dont see alex smith lighting the lamp and i certainly dont see a battle of kickers. See a 24 or 17 to 10 or 13. Think the saints cover but i think it stays under the number. saints defense isnt anything special but either is the san fran offense. wouldnt bet money against brees w spread under 7.5 dont see value in it as the saints offense produces tds san fran produces fgs
     
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    please take the niners
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    gl KS but i'm on the other side.
    this games all comes down to coaching imho, harbaugh is a descent NFL coach while payton is a seasoned veteran in terms of playoff coaching. I say payton is taking harbaugh to school on a sunday.bol people.
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    gl KS but i'm on the other side.
    this games all comes down to coaching imho, harbaugh is a descent NFL coach while payton is a seasoned veteran in terms of playoff coaching. I say payton is taking harbaugh to school on a sunday.bol people.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aalon:

    The fact that all your stats concentrate on the Saints and show none for the 49ers is a clear case of data mining...a BIG  among any statistician.

    I also find it odd that it is somehow a bad thing that the Saints average 27 points per game on the road.  On the flip side, all 32 NFL teams would kill to have that road average if they don't already have it.  That is insane.

    How about some 49er stats for those who'd like to know and not lose money?

     what else would be a good use of time/energy, and thought?  The Saints are the only road favorite this weekend, ...why?  due to the Saints offense, and that offense is not that good on natural grass.....in open air,  they average 25.8 pts per game, which is not bad until you look at who they played: Jax 6th ranked D (23 pts), Carolina 28th ranked D (30 pts), Tampa Bay 30th ranked D (20pts), Tennessee 18th ranked D (22 pts), .... and they are about to face a the 49ers D (#1 in TO margin) on grass/open air...nuff said....sorry you are on the Saints, but ....
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    The fact that all your stats concentrate on the Saints and show none for the 49ers is a clear case of data mining...a BIG  among any statistician.

    I also find it odd that it is somehow a bad thing that the Saints average 27 points per game on the road.  On the flip side, all 32 NFL teams would kill to have that road average if they don't already have it.  That is insane.

    How about some 49er stats for those who'd like to know and not lose money?

     what else would be a good use of time/energy, and thought?  The Saints are the only road favorite this weekend, ...why?  due to the Saints offense, and that offense is not that good on natural grass.....in open air,  they average 25.8 pts per game, which is not bad until you look at who they played: Jax 6th ranked D (23 pts), Carolina 28th ranked D (30 pts), Tampa Bay 30th ranked D (20pts), Tennessee 18th ranked D (22 pts), .... and they are about to face a the 49ers D (#1 in TO margin) on grass/open air...nuff said....sorry you are on the Saints, but ....
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aalon:

    If thats the case, need to remove both of Alex Smith's games against the Rams...no?

    nope.... just one...his away games,... Brees away vs Smith @ home........ Smith is only a 91 passer rating, but @ home (which is what we are comparing) he is a 101 passer rating.....better than Brees Away
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aalon:

    If thats the case, need to remove both of Alex Smith's games against the Rams...no?

    nope.... just one...his away games,... Brees away vs Smith @ home........ Smith is only a 91 passer rating, but @ home (which is what we are comparing) he is a 101 passer rating.....better than Brees Away
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by dgnerate:

    gl KS but i'm on the other side.
    this games all comes down to coaching imho, harbaugh is a descent NFL coach while payton is a seasoned veteran in terms of playoff coaching. I say payton is taking harbaugh to school on a sunday.bol people.

    But Peyton has never won a road playoff game...not one, nor have the Saints in their history
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    gl KS but i'm on the other side.
    this games all comes down to coaching imho, harbaugh is a descent NFL coach while payton is a seasoned veteran in terms of playoff coaching. I say payton is taking harbaugh to school on a sunday.bol people.

    But Peyton has never won a road playoff game...not one, nor have the Saints in their history
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMoney247:

    Love the insight!! Im on the niners as well +4 BOL
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    Love the insight!! Im on the niners as well +4 BOL
     
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    i understand that KS but will Saints be like that forever? as far as playoffs record on the road go? besides, it's a very small sample size of 0-4, i have a rule when it comes to betting on anything, be it Blackjack, baccarat or sportsbetting: you aim to win 4 in a row and raising your bet each time before going minimum bet on the 5th or if you lose 4 in a row to bet max on the 5th. what it translate in this case to me is that Saints is due for the big win so im going BIG on them to snap that losing record. it's just my opinion so once again, goodluck.
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    i understand that KS but will Saints be like that forever? as far as playoffs record on the road go? besides, it's a very small sample size of 0-4, i have a rule when it comes to betting on anything, be it Blackjack, baccarat or sportsbetting: you aim to win 4 in a row and raising your bet each time before going minimum bet on the 5th or if you lose 4 in a row to bet max on the 5th. what it translate in this case to me is that Saints is due for the big win so im going BIG on them to snap that losing record. it's just my opinion so once again, goodluck.
     
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    Nice writeup KS. Gun to the head would have to take the points with SF, but got it too close to call. 3-4pts either way & like the under a bit better. Got SF & the under in teasers - you're right on the $$ about NO/Brees being a different tm on the rd outdoors & now they go up against 1 of the 2/3 best that's had a week off to prepare & get healthier. Somethings gotta give - gonna be very interesting & should be a great game. GL

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Nice writeup KS. Gun to the head would have to take the points with SF, but got it too close to call. 3-4pts either way & like the under a bit better. Got SF & the under in teasers - you're right on the $$ about NO/Brees being a different tm on the rd outdoors & now they go up against 1 of the 2/3 best that's had a week off to prepare & get healthier. Somethings gotta give - gonna be very interesting & should be a great game. GL

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by KScapping:

     what else would be a good use of time/energy, and thought?  The Saints are the only road favorite this weekend, ...why?  due to the Saints offense, and that offense is not that good on natural grass.....in open air,  they average 25.8 pts per game, which is not bad until you look at who they played: Jax 6th ranked D (23 pts), Carolina 28th ranked D (30 pts), Tampa Bay 30th ranked D (20pts), Tennessee 18th ranked D (22 pts), .... and they are about to face a the 49ers D (#1 in TO margin) on grass/open air...nuff said....sorry you are on the Saints, but ....

     

    Kid. the Saints dominance at home has lulled you into a sense on media induced non-reality.

    Here is your very own quote:

    [quote]and that offense is not that good on natural grass.....in open air,  they average 25.8 pts per game

    Just what are you expecting them to average in the NFL, on the road??  30 ppg?  35??  Need I remind you that this is the NFL, not college or high school.  Against Jacksonville's 6th ranked defense, in open air, on grass, they racked up 503 yards of offense. Should they have gotten 600???

     The 23 point total was due to other reason I'll let you go and fish out.  Even besides that, I'll take 23 points on the road every day of the week.

    That line of reasoning that 25.8 ppg on the road is "not very good" just seems extremely out of wack.

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     what else would be a good use of time/energy, and thought?  The Saints are the only road favorite this weekend, ...why?  due to the Saints offense, and that offense is not that good on natural grass.....in open air,  they average 25.8 pts per game, which is not bad until you look at who they played: Jax 6th ranked D (23 pts), Carolina 28th ranked D (30 pts), Tampa Bay 30th ranked D (20pts), Tennessee 18th ranked D (22 pts), .... and they are about to face a the 49ers D (#1 in TO margin) on grass/open air...nuff said....sorry you are on the Saints, but ....

     

    Kid. the Saints dominance at home has lulled you into a sense on media induced non-reality.

    Here is your very own quote:

    [quote]and that offense is not that good on natural grass.....in open air,  they average 25.8 pts per game

    Just what are you expecting them to average in the NFL, on the road??  30 ppg?  35??  Need I remind you that this is the NFL, not college or high school.  Against Jacksonville's 6th ranked defense, in open air, on grass, they racked up 503 yards of offense. Should they have gotten 600???

     The 23 point total was due to other reason I'll let you go and fish out.  Even besides that, I'll take 23 points on the road every day of the week.

    That line of reasoning that 25.8 ppg on the road is "not very good" just seems extremely out of wack.

     
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    I like San fran +3 at the half.  I think Brees and Co will come out slow. 
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    Quote Originally Posted by KScapping:

    ·       The Saints have never won a road playoff game…EVER

    I have this @ the 

    SAN FRANCISCO +4

    NEW ORLEANS / SAN FRANCISCO UNDER 47.5





    I'm taking the exact opposite of you.


    Saints-4 and Packers-7.5 are my top two picks, in that order. And then for under/overs I like Saints/49ers over47 and Packers/Giants over52.5. 

    Texans ML. +280 is my risk pick.





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    ·       The Saints have never won a road playoff game…EVER

    I have this @ the 

    SAN FRANCISCO +4

    NEW ORLEANS / SAN FRANCISCO UNDER 47.5





    I'm taking the exact opposite of you.


    Saints-4 and Packers-7.5 are my top two picks, in that order. And then for under/overs I like Saints/49ers over47 and Packers/Giants over52.5. 

    Texans ML. +280 is my risk pick.





     
     
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    Hey is that Al Bundy's jersey?
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