On the surface, it seems as though the Bills have a lot working against them. They're playing on a shorter week. They're banged up across the board. They're playing this contest at altitude in Denver.
The Broncos are coming off a bye week. They're rested, had time to heal up a little bit and they're playing at home. If I remember correctly, Sean Payton has a good record coming off a bye. He's had plenty of time to scheme a defense against Allen and Cook.
But with all the negatives for Buffalo and the positives for Denver, the line has held strong at 1/1.5 for a couple of days now. It seems that Denver is the squarest play of the week.
For me, this game is a pass, but it should be fun to watch. If I was forced to make a play, it would be on BUF.
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Bill v. Broncos
On the surface, it seems as though the Bills have a lot working against them. They're playing on a shorter week. They're banged up across the board. They're playing this contest at altitude in Denver.
The Broncos are coming off a bye week. They're rested, had time to heal up a little bit and they're playing at home. If I remember correctly, Sean Payton has a good record coming off a bye. He's had plenty of time to scheme a defense against Allen and Cook.
But with all the negatives for Buffalo and the positives for Denver, the line has held strong at 1/1.5 for a couple of days now. It seems that Denver is the squarest play of the week.
For me, this game is a pass, but it should be fun to watch. If I was forced to make a play, it would be on BUF.
I don't ever believe any data that shows which side has more tickets or more money. Books are not obligated to share this info and why would they? Wouldn't it make more sense to keep the details of your handle to yourself?
To me, the square side is the side that Joe Public loves because it's an "obvious" play. They spend 2 minutites handicapping a game (if that), and they compare W/L records, H/A records, and they like the fact that the Broncos are coming off a bye week. I think the average casual bettor sees the line at better than -3 for the home team, especially in Denver, and thinks they're getting value.
If I had to guess, I'd say the line opened at Bills -1.5 to get action, and the squares fell for it, jumping on the Broncos as fast as they could, eventually flipping the spread.
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I don't ever believe any data that shows which side has more tickets or more money. Books are not obligated to share this info and why would they? Wouldn't it make more sense to keep the details of your handle to yourself?
To me, the square side is the side that Joe Public loves because it's an "obvious" play. They spend 2 minutites handicapping a game (if that), and they compare W/L records, H/A records, and they like the fact that the Broncos are coming off a bye week. I think the average casual bettor sees the line at better than -3 for the home team, especially in Denver, and thinks they're getting value.
If I had to guess, I'd say the line opened at Bills -1.5 to get action, and the squares fell for it, jumping on the Broncos as fast as they could, eventually flipping the spread.
Ive seweng nothing close to that. Its little more buff but not 66 to 70..there is a reason the 1 seed is a 1 pt fav to a place they protected all year and were a dog a few weeks ago. Denver run game is where they can hurt buff and its not there. Buff secondary has been dominate and I think u see josh put the cape on again carrying them to one step closer to what he deserves
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@undermysac
Ive seweng nothing close to that. Its little more buff but not 66 to 70..there is a reason the 1 seed is a 1 pt fav to a place they protected all year and were a dog a few weeks ago. Denver run game is where they can hurt buff and its not there. Buff secondary has been dominate and I think u see josh put the cape on again carrying them to one step closer to what he deserves
@undermysac Ive seweng nothing close to that. Its little more buff but not 66 to 70..there is a reason the 1 seed is a 1 pt fav to a place they protected all year and were a dog a few weeks ago. Denver run game is where they can hurt buff and its not there. Buff secondary has been dominate and I think u see josh put the cape on again carrying them to one step closer to what he deserves
I don't entirely trust any of those bet % numbers either. You can look at 6 different sources and they're all different. That's why I said it's just a "fractional" part of the handicap. For me, fractional might honestly mean only 1/16.
I was just asking the OP why he thought Denver was "square". He answered. I feel like the public will always bet Josh, especially when the other QB is named Bo.
To each their own
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Quote Originally Posted by payne034:
@undermysac Ive seweng nothing close to that. Its little more buff but not 66 to 70..there is a reason the 1 seed is a 1 pt fav to a place they protected all year and were a dog a few weeks ago. Denver run game is where they can hurt buff and its not there. Buff secondary has been dominate and I think u see josh put the cape on again carrying them to one step closer to what he deserves
I don't entirely trust any of those bet % numbers either. You can look at 6 different sources and they're all different. That's why I said it's just a "fractional" part of the handicap. For me, fractional might honestly mean only 1/16.
I was just asking the OP why he thought Denver was "square". He answered. I feel like the public will always bet Josh, especially when the other QB is named Bo.
a) books know all this info (injuries, rest, altitude, etc). this isnt new to them. it's all baked into the initial line. so why would it move? no new info has come out.
b) books and any other resource will never ever tell you the real story on number of bets, money bet. even if there was some info out there, it can change very quickly, especially close to kickoff. it's all just noise
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a) books know all this info (injuries, rest, altitude, etc). this isnt new to them. it's all baked into the initial line. so why would it move? no new info has come out.
b) books and any other resource will never ever tell you the real story on number of bets, money bet. even if there was some info out there, it can change very quickly, especially close to kickoff. it's all just noise
I think you really don't have as much of a feel for what 'squares' are doing as you think.
Go into any Denver fan forum or look on here and all you hear about is how Josh Allen is superman and can win games by himself and it's his year now that Mahomes is out.
All the things you listed in Denver are actual legit reasons they should have never been a home dog as a number one seed. But i see little point in worrying about the line flipping and this OP is irrelevant as well. Either way the game is basically a pick em. And opinions seem likewise pretty even. Trying to figure out what 'squares and sharps' are doing is an utter waste of time. Cap the game based on your own analysis. We're all 'Joe Public' at the end of the day unless you're one of the guys fixing games you don't have any special insight and guess what the public win sometimes too.
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@bluecompass
I think you really don't have as much of a feel for what 'squares' are doing as you think.
Go into any Denver fan forum or look on here and all you hear about is how Josh Allen is superman and can win games by himself and it's his year now that Mahomes is out.
All the things you listed in Denver are actual legit reasons they should have never been a home dog as a number one seed. But i see little point in worrying about the line flipping and this OP is irrelevant as well. Either way the game is basically a pick em. And opinions seem likewise pretty even. Trying to figure out what 'squares and sharps' are doing is an utter waste of time. Cap the game based on your own analysis. We're all 'Joe Public' at the end of the day unless you're one of the guys fixing games you don't have any special insight and guess what the public win sometimes too.
You could be right. I might have misread this particular situation - it wouldn't be the first time. But I still think of all the square money on this game, the majority of it is on DEN. I haven't paid any attention to the fan forums on either side. I agree - it's a pick em. That's why I'm staying away.
@haymo
It's certainly a possibility.
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@Macwestie1
I choose option #3: No Bet
@NutinButtLove
You could be right. I might have misread this particular situation - it wouldn't be the first time. But I still think of all the square money on this game, the majority of it is on DEN. I haven't paid any attention to the fan forums on either side. I agree - it's a pick em. That's why I'm staying away.
a) books know all this info (injuries, rest, altitude, etc). this isnt new to them. it's all baked into the initial line. so why would it move? no new info has come out. b) books and any other resource will never ever tell you the real story on number of bets, money bet. even if there was some info out there, it can change very quickly, especially close to kickoff. it's all just noise
Agreed. Disinformation with intent
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Quote Originally Posted by jefff:
a) books know all this info (injuries, rest, altitude, etc). this isnt new to them. it's all baked into the initial line. so why would it move? no new info has come out. b) books and any other resource will never ever tell you the real story on number of bets, money bet. even if there was some info out there, it can change very quickly, especially close to kickoff. it's all just noise
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