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    Mathmatical odds on buying the 1/2 to +3 with Seattle.

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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2014 - 11:57 AM ET #1

    I'm leaning Seattle plus the points due to the value from open (Seattle -2.5) to the current line.

    I can basically get the plus 2.5 juice free but have another online book (Bovada) where I can play Seattle at 240/200. I know the sharps always recommend buying to the 3, but to me the math tells me it's a bad bet.

    Consider this.....if you buy the 3, you need the spread to land on EXACTLY 3 MORE THAN one out of five times to make this bet positive EV.

    Will this game land EXACTLY on the Denver -3 MORE THAN 20% of the time? Seems to me that it's best to take the 2.5 or the ML. Thoughts?

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    I'm leaning Seattle plus the points due to the value from open (Seattle -2.5) to the current line.

    I can basically get the plus 2.5 juice free but have another online book (Bovada) where I can play Seattle at 240/200. I know the sharps always recommend buying to the 3, but to me the math tells me it's a bad bet.

    Consider this.....if you buy the 3, you need the spread to land on EXACTLY 3 MORE THAN one out of five times to make this bet positive EV.

    Will this game land EXACTLY on the Denver -3 MORE THAN 20% of the time? Seems to me that it's best to take the 2.5 or the ML. Thoughts?

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2014 - 12:00 PM ET #2

    the juice only matters IF you lose!!!
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    the juice only matters IF you lose!!!
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2014 - 12:01 PM ET #3

    buy it to 4
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    buy it to 4
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2014 - 12:09 PM ET #4

    If +2.5 is juice free, buy it to +3 -110 if you can. That would be a standard bet at a key number 
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    If +2.5 is juice free, buy it to +3 -110 if you can. That would be a standard bet at a key number 
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2014 - 12:11 PM ET #5

    Buying it to 4 will cost -172. So now the math tells us that the line must fall on Denver by 3 or 4 exceeding 6 out of 10.....OVER 60% of the time to break even.

    That's an insane waste of bankroll.

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    Buying it to 4 will cost -172. So now the math tells us that the line must fall on Denver by 3 or 4 exceeding 6 out of 10.....OVER 60% of the time to break even.

    That's an insane waste of bankroll.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2014 - 12:12 PM ET #6

    Buying it to 4 will cost -172. So now the math tells us that the line must fall on Denver by 3 or 4 exceeding 6 out of 10.....OVER 60% of the time to break even.

    That's an insane waste of bankroll.

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    Buying it to 4 will cost -172. So now the math tells us that the line must fall on Denver by 3 or 4 exceeding 6 out of 10.....OVER 60% of the time to break even.

    That's an insane waste of bankroll.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2014 - 12:14 PM ET #7

    wait it out.. seems to be money coming in 3-2 on denver still the vig could swing in your favor shortly
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    wait it out.. seems to be money coming in 3-2 on denver still the vig could swing in your favor shortly
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2014 - 12:27 PM ET #8

    Quote Originally Posted by ChAoSoRb:

    wait it out.. seems to be money coming in 3-2 on denver still the vig could swing in your favor shortly

    Seems logical as Denver backers will want to get in ahead of a move to 3, whereas Seattle backers see relatively little difference in a move from 2.5 to 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChAoSoRb:

    wait it out.. seems to be money coming in 3-2 on denver still the vig could swing in your favor shortly

    Seems logical as Denver backers will want to get in ahead of a move to 3, whereas Seattle backers see relatively little difference in a move from 2.5 to 2.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2014 - 12:32 PM ET #9

    NEVER Buy points!!!
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    NEVER Buy points!!!
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2014 - 1:40 PM ET #10

    While I waited it out, 5dimes went to Sea +2.5 -108 and Bovada went to +3 -115.

    So I played 300/260 on the +3 with Bovada since the difference in juice was $21 from the 5dimes plus 2.5 which would have been 281/250. In this case, I have to land on the 3 less than one in ten which I think is excellent mathematical value.

    By the way, the price to buy to the 3 on 5dimes would have been $342/250 so having two books saved me $61 in vig IF I lose.

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    While I waited it out, 5dimes went to Sea +2.5 -108 and Bovada went to +3 -115.

    So I played 300/260 on the +3 with Bovada since the difference in juice was $21 from the 5dimes plus 2.5 which would have been 281/250. In this case, I have to land on the 3 less than one in ten which I think is excellent mathematical value.

    By the way, the price to buy to the 3 on 5dimes would have been $342/250 so having two books saved me $61 in vig IF I lose.

     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2014 - 2:34 PM ET #11

    Good luck all!
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    Good luck all!
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2014 - 3:03 PM ET #12

    Quote Originally Posted by bej0101:

    the juice only matters IF you lose!!!


    Actually, the exact opposite is true.  The juice matters when you win, not when you lose.

    Remember, the winners pay the vig, not the losers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bej0101:

    the juice only matters IF you lose!!!


    Actually, the exact opposite is true.  The juice matters when you win, not when you lose.

    Remember, the winners pay the vig, not the losers.
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2014 - 3:09 PM ET #13

    Quote Originally Posted by JicJac:

    NEVER Buy points!!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by JicJac:

    NEVER Buy points!!!



     
     
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    Posted: Feb. 2, 2014 - 3:33 PM ET #14

    5dimes is now Seattle +2.5, -109 and Bovada is +3, -120 so I think I hit the sweet spot on the line.

    Now all I need is for Lynch to run wild. He's the key.

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    5dimes is now Seattle +2.5, -109 and Bovada is +3, -120 so I think I hit the sweet spot on the line.

    Now all I need is for Lynch to run wild. He's the key.

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