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    Lions finally fire Matt Patricia...

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    Posted: Nov. 28, 2020 - 2:47 PM ET #1

    Need to clean house and start over. 

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    Need to clean house and start over. 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 28, 2020 - 2:50 PM ET #2

    They need a QB 

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    They need a QB 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 28, 2020 - 2:57 PM ET #3

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    also gone: GM quinn...no immediate word on interim successor but the way the lions do business it'll likely be OC bevell whom we all recall is the guy whodidn't give marshawn lynch the ball, 2nd and goal, vs new england in the super bowl

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    also gone: GM quinn...no immediate word on interim successor but the way the lions do business it'll likely be OC bevell whom we all recall is the guy whodidn't give marshawn lynch the ball, 2nd and goal, vs new england in the super bowl

     
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    Posted: Nov. 28, 2020 - 3:00 PM ET #4

    Time to pick up Stafford, if you play fantasy football... big time rebound coming to all Lions skill position players. Patricia lost that locker room long time ago. I expect to bet on them next game as well. 

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    Time to pick up Stafford, if you play fantasy football... big time rebound coming to all Lions skill position players. Patricia lost that locker room long time ago. I expect to bet on them next game as well. 

     
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    Posted: Nov. 28, 2020 - 3:05 PM ET #5

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     Ya Golladay will be back now and they will beat Chicago next week

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     Ya Golladay will be back now and they will beat Chicago next week

     
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    Posted: Nov. 28, 2020 - 3:06 PM ET #6

    The Lions are perennial losers.  It starts at the top, ie ownership.  If the owner is a space cadet, what can you do?  

    The Lions are the real life version of the Cleveland Indians in the movie Major League except this is real life and they have no hope of ever winning.

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    The Lions are perennial losers.  It starts at the top, ie ownership.  If the owner is a space cadet, what can you do?  

    The Lions are the real life version of the Cleveland Indians in the movie Major League except this is real life and they have no hope of ever winning.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 28, 2020 - 3:22 PM ET #7

    The Ford Family is not unlike the Mara Family, the Rooney Family, the Halas Family, etc., etc.  The owners are not space cadets.  WTF?

    Look at the Packers...how have they done in the last 10-20 years?  Really...how have they done with the talent they had?

    Maybe Jerry Jones is the correct model?  He hasn't won in 25 years and he only won because of Jimmy Johnston and the organization Johnson built.

    The Bears...how're they doing since Mike Ditka and the legendary '85 Bears?

    They need to rename COVERS to "ShootFromTheHip.com"

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    The Ford Family is not unlike the Mara Family, the Rooney Family, the Halas Family, etc., etc.  The owners are not space cadets.  WTF?

    Look at the Packers...how have they done in the last 10-20 years?  Really...how have they done with the talent they had?

    Maybe Jerry Jones is the correct model?  He hasn't won in 25 years and he only won because of Jimmy Johnston and the organization Johnson built.

    The Bears...how're they doing since Mike Ditka and the legendary '85 Bears?

    They need to rename COVERS to "ShootFromTheHip.com"

     
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    Posted: Nov. 28, 2020 - 3:41 PM ET #8

    The Original Eight football teams that created the NFL had owners who let coaches coach and let players play.  Some did both, like George Halas and Curly Lambeau and Paul Brown.  Problem now is the best and the brightest don't often get to make the decisions.  A LOT of hacks are running teams now.  

    We all wish what Battalion is hoping for...teams with fukkin HCs and GMs that know what the fukk they're doing, because it makes the whole league better.  And the commish shouldn't be exempt from scrutiny, either.  Roger the Dodger has been a disaster talent-wise, but he couldn't help but make the owners $$$ unless he was a complete moron, which he's not.  But NO WAY he should be the commish.

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    The Original Eight football teams that created the NFL had owners who let coaches coach and let players play.  Some did both, like George Halas and Curly Lambeau and Paul Brown.  Problem now is the best and the brightest don't often get to make the decisions.  A LOT of hacks are running teams now.  

    We all wish what Battalion is hoping for...teams with fukkin HCs and GMs that know what the fukk they're doing, because it makes the whole league better.  And the commish shouldn't be exempt from scrutiny, either.  Roger the Dodger has been a disaster talent-wise, but he couldn't help but make the owners $$$ unless he was a complete moron, which he's not.  But NO WAY he should be the commish.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 28, 2020 - 3:48 PM ET #9

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     I live in Chicago... and will say this with certainty and absolutely no hedge... anyone can beat the Bears! let alone a Lions team with the most hated head coach just getting fired...

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     I live in Chicago... and will say this with certainty and absolutely no hedge... anyone can beat the Bears! let alone a Lions team with the most hated head coach just getting fired...

     
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    Posted: Nov. 28, 2020 - 3:57 PM ET #10

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     They are just continuing on with the Matt Millen legacy. Generally regarded as the worst GM in modern sports. He had the worst 8 yr. record in the history of modern football. 31 - 84 (.270%) win ratio and the first team to go 0-16.   Man, can they pick em in Detroit.

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     They are just continuing on with the Matt Millen legacy. Generally regarded as the worst GM in modern sports. He had the worst 8 yr. record in the history of modern football. 31 - 84 (.270%) win ratio and the first team to go 0-16.   Man, can they pick em in Detroit.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 28, 2020 - 4:58 PM ET #11

    Quote Originally Posted by Battalion74:

    The Lions are perennial losers.  It starts at the top, ie ownership.  If the owner is a space cadet, what can you do?  The Lions are the real life version of the Cleveland Indians in the movie Major League except this is real life and they have no hope of ever winning.

    peace_5 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Battalion74:

    The Lions are perennial losers.  It starts at the top, ie ownership.  If the owner is a space cadet, what can you do?  The Lions are the real life version of the Cleveland Indians in the movie Major League except this is real life and they have no hope of ever winning.

    peace_5 

     
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     I will likely be in them also. peace_5

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     I will likely be in them also. peace_5

     
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    Posted: Nov. 28, 2020 - 5:07 PM ET #13

    Wayne Fontes IS only 80 years old...at least he had the good sense to focus on drafting Barry Sanders...he had some good years as head coach for the lions but overall a losing record...his players sure played their hearts out for him. 

    So many teams just hire these coaching retreads that have been floating around the league forever...time for Lions' ownership to think outside the box and find someone who knows how to build a team...

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    Wayne Fontes IS only 80 years old...at least he had the good sense to focus on drafting Barry Sanders...he had some good years as head coach for the lions but overall a losing record...his players sure played their hearts out for him. 

    So many teams just hire these coaching retreads that have been floating around the league forever...time for Lions' ownership to think outside the box and find someone who knows how to build a team...

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by lancer89074:

    Wayne Fontes IS only 80 years old...at least he had the good sense to focus on drafting Barry Sanders...he had some good years as head coach for the lions but overall a losing record...his players sure played their hearts out for him. So many teams just hire these coaching retreads that have been floating around the league forever...time for Lions' ownership to think outside the box and find someone who knows how to build a team...

    Watch gem hire Robert Saleh! an_roll_laugh

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    Quote Originally Posted by lancer89074:

    Wayne Fontes IS only 80 years old...at least he had the good sense to focus on drafting Barry Sanders...he had some good years as head coach for the lions but overall a losing record...his players sure played their hearts out for him. So many teams just hire these coaching retreads that have been floating around the league forever...time for Lions' ownership to think outside the box and find someone who knows how to build a team...

    Watch gem hire Robert Saleh! an_roll_laugh

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    Watch gem hire Robert Saleh!


    Saleh sure was a hot property there for a while (mostly last year) until SF was destroyed by injuries this year. Was all of that attention warranted? Networks would pan him on the sidelines for his emotional expressions...great coaches are more or less deadpan though...except for Lombardi when he blew a gasketan_getaway

    Brian Schottenheimer the OC for Seattle might be a bright young guy (of course at 47 he has floated around for a while)...I always appreciated his Father's work though of course he never got any of his teams to the Super Bowl. Such bad luck in the postseasons...many of those games turned on a dime. 


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    Quote Originally Posted by begginerboy:

    Watch gem hire Robert Saleh!


    Saleh sure was a hot property there for a while (mostly last year) until SF was destroyed by injuries this year. Was all of that attention warranted? Networks would pan him on the sidelines for his emotional expressions...great coaches are more or less deadpan though...except for Lombardi when he blew a gasketan_getaway

    Brian Schottenheimer the OC for Seattle might be a bright young guy (of course at 47 he has floated around for a while)...I always appreciated his Father's work though of course he never got any of his teams to the Super Bowl. Such bad luck in the postseasons...many of those games turned on a dime. 


     
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    Posted: Nov. 28, 2020 - 5:42 PM ET #16

    The Lions are too used to losing. It's not just a Patricia thing even though his teams have been sloppy and inconsistent. It's a decades old problem that starts from the top on down. Maybe it's the lead in the water.

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    The Lions are too used to losing. It's not just a Patricia thing even though his teams have been sloppy and inconsistent. It's a decades old problem that starts from the top on down. Maybe it's the lead in the water.

     
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    Posted: Nov. 28, 2020 - 6:02 PM ET #17

    They should bring in Rod Marinelli, he's bound to bring some consistency.

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    They should bring in Rod Marinelli, he's bound to bring some consistency.

     
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    I grew up in one of the cities that founded the modern day NFL and we were perpetual losers (Pittsburgh)...founded in 1933 and only had one playoff game in 1947...things got so bad Pittsburgh fans would throw snowballs at their own team from the stands and once some irate fans beat up the head coach's son...sad times... and then in 1969 Art Rooney hired Chuck Noll. 

    Noll watched many hours of their film and in Summer camp told them that they were losing not because they didn't try, but because they weren't any good and that most of them wouldn't make the team he was building. Noll knew about offensive line play and what he didn't know he delegated to gifted assistants...he hired Bud Carson from Georgia Tech who was a defensive genius and who formed that great Steel Curtain defense. The rest is history but how many great head coaches have there been in our lifetimes who can build a competitive team let alone a dynasty? The 'culture of losing' is so ingrained in some franchises that year after year even with an influx of new talent, it can't throw off the ties that bind it to its losing past.  

    In my lifetime and before, there were at the top: George Halas, Curly Lambeau, Paul Brown, Vince Lombardi, Tom Landry, Don Shula, Chuck Noll, Steve Walsh, Joe Gibbs, Jimmy Johnson, and last but not least Bill Belichick.

    Then you have Hank Stram, John Madden, Bill Parcells, Sid Gillman, Tony Dungy, George Allen, Mike Shanahan, Marv Levy, Tom Coughlin...guys who also knew football and how to build a winning program. 

    There are others who were good head coaches and who had limited success...but not many...most of the guys who get elevated are just there because of their people skills and not because they actually know anything about football IMO...

    Of the current guys aside from the evil wizzard, I veer towards Andy Reid, Sean Payton, Mike Tomlin, John Gruden, Pete Carroll (not perfect), maybe Kyle Shanahan and maybe John Harbaugh (pitchforks are out but his team was hit by a lot of injuries before the Chinese flu)...these guys all have their detractors...I understand...with Reid it was 'he can't win the big one and now he is suddenly a genius'...which he is of course. 

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    I grew up in one of the cities that founded the modern day NFL and we were perpetual losers (Pittsburgh)...founded in 1933 and only had one playoff game in 1947...things got so bad Pittsburgh fans would throw snowballs at their own team from the stands and once some irate fans beat up the head coach's son...sad times... and then in 1969 Art Rooney hired Chuck Noll. 

    Noll watched many hours of their film and in Summer camp told them that they were losing not because they didn't try, but because they weren't any good and that most of them wouldn't make the team he was building. Noll knew about offensive line play and what he didn't know he delegated to gifted assistants...he hired Bud Carson from Georgia Tech who was a defensive genius and who formed that great Steel Curtain defense. The rest is history but how many great head coaches have there been in our lifetimes who can build a competitive team let alone a dynasty? The 'culture of losing' is so ingrained in some franchises that year after year even with an influx of new talent, it can't throw off the ties that bind it to its losing past.  

    In my lifetime and before, there were at the top: George Halas, Curly Lambeau, Paul Brown, Vince Lombardi, Tom Landry, Don Shula, Chuck Noll, Steve Walsh, Joe Gibbs, Jimmy Johnson, and last but not least Bill Belichick.

    Then you have Hank Stram, John Madden, Bill Parcells, Sid Gillman, Tony Dungy, George Allen, Mike Shanahan, Marv Levy, Tom Coughlin...guys who also knew football and how to build a winning program. 

    There are others who were good head coaches and who had limited success...but not many...most of the guys who get elevated are just there because of their people skills and not because they actually know anything about football IMO...

    Of the current guys aside from the evil wizzard, I veer towards Andy Reid, Sean Payton, Mike Tomlin, John Gruden, Pete Carroll (not perfect), maybe Kyle Shanahan and maybe John Harbaugh (pitchforks are out but his team was hit by a lot of injuries before the Chinese flu)...these guys all have their detractors...I understand...with Reid it was 'he can't win the big one and now he is suddenly a genius'...which he is of course. 

     
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     Jim Harbaugh should be available soon.......

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     Jim Harbaugh should be available soon.......

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     the lions, in recent memory,  have tried everything...

    darryl rogers, with an air coryell rep at asu, was an offensive-guiru hire out of the college ranks: 18-win bust...

    bobby ross went a super bowl with san diego: 27-32 in Det, and his tenure was so much fun it drove barry sanders into retirement...

    marty morninghweg was hot property as 49ers OC late 1990s: "we'll take the wind," said marty vs the bears...

    rod marinelli brought tony dungy's vaunted tampa 2 D with him: thud, including one 0-16 season...

    millen came out of the booth into GMs chair: disaster...

    schwartz arrived with a rep as a defensive mastermind: 5-yr record, 29-51...

    caldwell was a players' coach, and of course they loved him: 4-24 vs over-.500 teams, including 2-11 @ home...

    nfl helped steer wise old ernie accorsi into detroit consultant role, lions followed his advice and hired quinn, who plucked patricia off the belichick tree...

    im not sure what's left for them to try...

    maybe hire greta thunberg and embrace the fight against climate change

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     the lions, in recent memory,  have tried everything...

    darryl rogers, with an air coryell rep at asu, was an offensive-guiru hire out of the college ranks: 18-win bust...

    bobby ross went a super bowl with san diego: 27-32 in Det, and his tenure was so much fun it drove barry sanders into retirement...

    marty morninghweg was hot property as 49ers OC late 1990s: "we'll take the wind," said marty vs the bears...

    rod marinelli brought tony dungy's vaunted tampa 2 D with him: thud, including one 0-16 season...

    millen came out of the booth into GMs chair: disaster...

    schwartz arrived with a rep as a defensive mastermind: 5-yr record, 29-51...

    caldwell was a players' coach, and of course they loved him: 4-24 vs over-.500 teams, including 2-11 @ home...

    nfl helped steer wise old ernie accorsi into detroit consultant role, lions followed his advice and hired quinn, who plucked patricia off the belichick tree...

    im not sure what's left for them to try...

    maybe hire greta thunberg and embrace the fight against climate change

     
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     I agree brother. Really don’t understand holding onto him this long. One of the most over rated QB in NFL history imo. 

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     I agree brother. Really don’t understand holding onto him this long. One of the most over rated QB in NFL history imo. 

     
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    Should have fired his ass a year ago -- Terrible game manager and that team was NEVER prepared for games.   LIONS SUCKED

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    Should have fired his ass a year ago -- Terrible game manager and that team was NEVER prepared for games.   LIONS SUCKED

     
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    Quote Originally Posted by THEMUGG:

    Jim Harbaugh should be available soon.......
    Ya Im sure all the people in the state of Michigan would love that hire.

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    Ya Im sure all the people in the state of Michigan would love that hire.

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