Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: people say parsons isnt good against the run, if that's the case where is the video. Ive seen video to the contrary. it's a fact that people tend to repeat things they hear others say without ever seeing it for themselvesstats prove that he doesn't make enough tackles on the field I'm gonna guess that stats would also show that the Cowboys D was much better with him on the field than without him.
which stats would prove your claim?
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Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:
Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: people say parsons isnt good against the run, if that's the case where is the video. Ive seen video to the contrary. it's a fact that people tend to repeat things they hear others say without ever seeing it for themselvesstats prove that he doesn't make enough tackles on the field I'm gonna guess that stats would also show that the Cowboys D was much better with him on the field than without him.
Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1: Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: people say parsons isnt good against the run, if that's the case where is the video. Ive seen video to the contrary. it's a fact that people tend to repeat things they hear others say without ever seeing it for themselvesstats prove that he doesn't make enough tackles on the field I'm gonna guess that stats would also show that the Cowboys D was much better with him on the field than without him.which stats would prove your claim?
I don't need a stat to prove to me that the Cowboys defense was better with him on the field.
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Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781:
Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1: Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: people say parsons isnt good against the run, if that's the case where is the video. Ive seen video to the contrary. it's a fact that people tend to repeat things they hear others say without ever seeing it for themselvesstats prove that he doesn't make enough tackles on the field I'm gonna guess that stats would also show that the Cowboys D was much better with him on the field than without him.which stats would prove your claim?
I don't need a stat to prove to me that the Cowboys defense was better with him on the field.
Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1: Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: people say parsons isnt good against the run, if that's the case where is the video. Ive seen video to the contrary. it's a fact that people tend to repeat things they hear others say without ever seeing it for themselvesstats prove that he doesn't make enough tackles on the field I'm gonna guess that stats would also show that the Cowboys D was much better with him on the field than without him.which stats would prove your claim?
Not a claim, a guess.
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Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781:
Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1: Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: people say parsons isnt good against the run, if that's the case where is the video. Ive seen video to the contrary. it's a fact that people tend to repeat things they hear others say without ever seeing it for themselvesstats prove that he doesn't make enough tackles on the field I'm gonna guess that stats would also show that the Cowboys D was much better with him on the field than without him.which stats would prove your claim?
Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: people say parsons isnt good against the run, if that's the case where is the video. Ive seen video to the contrary. it's a fact that people tend to repeat things they hear others say without ever seeing it for themselvesstats prove that he doesn't make enough tackles on the field
doesnt mean anything. that's like saying a cb isn't good because he doesnst get many int's. in fact it may indicate the opposite. maybe teams tend to not run to his side?
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Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781:
Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: people say parsons isnt good against the run, if that's the case where is the video. Ive seen video to the contrary. it's a fact that people tend to repeat things they hear others say without ever seeing it for themselvesstats prove that he doesn't make enough tackles on the field
doesnt mean anything. that's like saying a cb isn't good because he doesnst get many int's. in fact it may indicate the opposite. maybe teams tend to not run to his side?
Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781: Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1: Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: people say parsons isnt good against the run, if that's the case where is the video. Ive seen video to the contrary. it's a fact that people tend to repeat things they hear others say without ever seeing it for themselvesstats prove that he doesn't make enough tackles on the field I'm gonna guess that stats would also show that the Cowboys D was much better with him on the field than without him.which stats would prove your claim? I don't need a stat to prove to me that the Cowboys defense was better with him on the field.
the cowboys defense played for Dan Quinn. They didn’t play because of parsons. He was just a piece. My guess is that the defense was better when Dan Quinn was coaching them.
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Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:
Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781: Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1: Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: people say parsons isnt good against the run, if that's the case where is the video. Ive seen video to the contrary. it's a fact that people tend to repeat things they hear others say without ever seeing it for themselvesstats prove that he doesn't make enough tackles on the field I'm gonna guess that stats would also show that the Cowboys D was much better with him on the field than without him.which stats would prove your claim? I don't need a stat to prove to me that the Cowboys defense was better with him on the field.
the cowboys defense played for Dan Quinn. They didn’t play because of parsons. He was just a piece. My guess is that the defense was better when Dan Quinn was coaching them.
What video have you seen? What non-existent video? I have watched every game of Micah Parsons' career. Many I have watched twice. He's mediocre to bad against the run. He was best as a rookie, when he was used more as a traditional linebacker. As an everydown rusher, put it this way. The best metric to measure this is his run grade and his total tackles. When measured against linebackers, he is downright atrocious. When messured against "edge rushers", which is a loose term, he's still pretty bad. None of the top edge rushers are great against the run.
The thing is, as an edge rusher, he peters out down the stretch of the season. Compare Micah's height and weight to all other top edge rushers, he's the smallest. Battling massive tackles every play, getting doubled most of the time, takes it's toll.
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What video have you seen? What non-existent video? I have watched every game of Micah Parsons' career. Many I have watched twice. He's mediocre to bad against the run. He was best as a rookie, when he was used more as a traditional linebacker. As an everydown rusher, put it this way. The best metric to measure this is his run grade and his total tackles. When measured against linebackers, he is downright atrocious. When messured against "edge rushers", which is a loose term, he's still pretty bad. None of the top edge rushers are great against the run.
The thing is, as an edge rusher, he peters out down the stretch of the season. Compare Micah's height and weight to all other top edge rushers, he's the smallest. Battling massive tackles every play, getting doubled most of the time, takes it's toll.
Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1: Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781: Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1: Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: people say parsons isnt good against the run, if that's the case where is the video. Ive seen video to the contrary. it's a fact that people tend to repeat things they hear others say without ever seeing it for themselvesstats prove that he doesn't make enough tackles on the field I'm gonna guess that stats would also show that the Cowboys D was much better with him on the field than without him.which stats would prove your claim? I don't need a stat to prove to me that the Cowboys defense was better with him on the field.the cowboys defense played for Dan Quinn. They didn’t play because of parsons. He was just a piece. My guess is that the defense was better when Dan Quinn was coaching them.
They were except when they weren't.
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Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781:
Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1: Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781: Quote Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1: Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: people say parsons isnt good against the run, if that's the case where is the video. Ive seen video to the contrary. it's a fact that people tend to repeat things they hear others say without ever seeing it for themselvesstats prove that he doesn't make enough tackles on the field I'm gonna guess that stats would also show that the Cowboys D was much better with him on the field than without him.which stats would prove your claim? I don't need a stat to prove to me that the Cowboys defense was better with him on the field.the cowboys defense played for Dan Quinn. They didn’t play because of parsons. He was just a piece. My guess is that the defense was better when Dan Quinn was coaching them.
@rosswin97 What video have you seen? What non-existent video? I have watched every game of Micah Parsons' career. Many I have watched twice. He's mediocre to bad against the run. He was best as a rookie, when he was used more as a traditional linebacker. As an everydown rusher, put it this way. The best metric to measure this is his run grade and his total tackles. When measured against linebackers, he is downright atrocious. When messured against "edge rushers", which is a loose term, he's still pretty bad. None of the top edge rushers are great against the run. The thing is, as an edge rusher, he peters out down the stretch of the season. Compare Micah's height and weight to all other top edge rushers, he's the smallest. Battling massive tackles every play, getting doubled most of the time, takes it's toll.
https://youtu.be/yczppuSDbiA?si=ZbX_EJQFYIgIVaib
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
@rosswin97 What video have you seen? What non-existent video? I have watched every game of Micah Parsons' career. Many I have watched twice. He's mediocre to bad against the run. He was best as a rookie, when he was used more as a traditional linebacker. As an everydown rusher, put it this way. The best metric to measure this is his run grade and his total tackles. When measured against linebackers, he is downright atrocious. When messured against "edge rushers", which is a loose term, he's still pretty bad. None of the top edge rushers are great against the run. The thing is, as an edge rusher, he peters out down the stretch of the season. Compare Micah's height and weight to all other top edge rushers, he's the smallest. Battling massive tackles every play, getting doubled most of the time, takes it's toll.
Hard for any linebacker to have a large amount of tackles while being double teamed as much as he is, but that does open up other avenues for the defense. The fact of the matter is he makes his bones disrupting the QB and at that he is very good and there is a reason why players like him are over paid, sure, but are coveted by every team in the NFL.
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Hard for any linebacker to have a large amount of tackles while being double teamed as much as he is, but that does open up other avenues for the defense. The fact of the matter is he makes his bones disrupting the QB and at that he is very good and there is a reason why players like him are over paid, sure, but are coveted by every team in the NFL.
Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: people say parsons isnt good against the run, if that's the case where is the video. Ive seen video to the contrary. it's a fact that people tend to repeat things they hear others say without ever seeing it for themselvesstats prove that he doesn't make enough tackles on the fielddoesnt mean anything. that's like saying a cb isn't good because he doesnst get many int's. in fact it may indicate the opposite. maybe teams tend to not run to his side?
nice attempt here. never heard of a shutdown edge rusher before lol. parsons was paid because he was the quickest off the line of scrimmage and had a tremendous pressure rate. he wasn't paid because offenses ran the ball away from him lol.
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Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97:
Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: people say parsons isnt good against the run, if that's the case where is the video. Ive seen video to the contrary. it's a fact that people tend to repeat things they hear others say without ever seeing it for themselvesstats prove that he doesn't make enough tackles on the fielddoesnt mean anything. that's like saying a cb isn't good because he doesnst get many int's. in fact it may indicate the opposite. maybe teams tend to not run to his side?
nice attempt here. never heard of a shutdown edge rusher before lol. parsons was paid because he was the quickest off the line of scrimmage and had a tremendous pressure rate. he wasn't paid because offenses ran the ball away from him lol.
This dude posted a highlight reel. I've got a good highlight reel too. That's why they call it a highlight reel.
no one has shown vid to the contrary all I asked for is some footage of parsons playing bad against the run. Many have said it recently, but no footage even in the digital and information age. No footage of loch ness and big foot either.
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
This dude posted a highlight reel. I've got a good highlight reel too. That's why they call it a highlight reel.
no one has shown vid to the contrary all I asked for is some footage of parsons playing bad against the run. Many have said it recently, but no footage even in the digital and information age. No footage of loch ness and big foot either.
Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: people say parsons isnt good against the run, if that's the case where is the video. Ive seen video to the contrary. it's a fact that people tend to repeat things they hear others say without ever seeing it for themselvesstats prove that he doesn't make enough tackles on the fielddoesnt mean anything. that's like saying a cb isn't good because he doesnst get many int's. in fact it may indicate the opposite. maybe teams tend to not run to his side?nice attempt here. never heard of a shutdown edge rusher before lol. parsons was paid because he was the quickest off the line of scrimmage and had a tremendous pressure rate. he wasn't paid because offenses ran the ball away from him lol.
Can’t say that I have. Can you name some shutdown edge rushers?
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Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781:
Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: people say parsons isnt good against the run, if that's the case where is the video. Ive seen video to the contrary. it's a fact that people tend to repeat things they hear others say without ever seeing it for themselvesstats prove that he doesn't make enough tackles on the fielddoesnt mean anything. that's like saying a cb isn't good because he doesnst get many int's. in fact it may indicate the opposite. maybe teams tend to not run to his side?nice attempt here. never heard of a shutdown edge rusher before lol. parsons was paid because he was the quickest off the line of scrimmage and had a tremendous pressure rate. he wasn't paid because offenses ran the ball away from him lol.
Can’t say that I have. Can you name some shutdown edge rushers?
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: This dude posted a highlight reel. I've got a good highlight reel too. That's why they call it a highlight reel.no one has shown vid to the contrary all I asked for is some footage of parsons playing bad against the run. Many have said it recently, but no footage even in the digital and information age. No footage of loch ness and big foot either.
1) What a ridiculous request. There are thousands of people making highlight videos. Nobody really does lowlight videos.
2) You can just look at his PFF run grade. It's bad. He's ranked something like 72nd against the run amongst edge rushers.
To be clear though, i'm not shitting on Micah. I think he's a phenomenal player. I'm shitting on the notion that edge rushers deserve to be paid like quarterbacks. I think it is a narrative created by sports agents.
Let's first look at the designation, edge rusher. EDGE is not a position. Edge is a designation that used to be used in the scouting high school and college athletes to describe a tweener player who doesn't fit conveniently in a position group due to size and/or skillset. Maybe you were a linebacker but you mostly rushed the passer, but your smallish for a defensive end, and you don't really cover. So when scouting a high school kid for college, or a college kid for the pros, the would refer to the player as an EDGE. It is similar to how they would designate a player as ATHLETE win maybe he played some receiver, maybe returned kicks, maybe some corner. Not stellar at any of it but too good of an athlete to pass. An EDGE is typically a defensive end in a 4-3, or an outside linebacker in a 3-4 but it could also be an outside linebacker in a 4-3. And defensive fronts are somewhar ambiguous these days anyway. So edge rusher just became a guy who sells out to get to the QB, and doesn't do much else.
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Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97:
Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: This dude posted a highlight reel. I've got a good highlight reel too. That's why they call it a highlight reel.no one has shown vid to the contrary all I asked for is some footage of parsons playing bad against the run. Many have said it recently, but no footage even in the digital and information age. No footage of loch ness and big foot either.
1) What a ridiculous request. There are thousands of people making highlight videos. Nobody really does lowlight videos.
2) You can just look at his PFF run grade. It's bad. He's ranked something like 72nd against the run amongst edge rushers.
To be clear though, i'm not shitting on Micah. I think he's a phenomenal player. I'm shitting on the notion that edge rushers deserve to be paid like quarterbacks. I think it is a narrative created by sports agents.
Let's first look at the designation, edge rusher. EDGE is not a position. Edge is a designation that used to be used in the scouting high school and college athletes to describe a tweener player who doesn't fit conveniently in a position group due to size and/or skillset. Maybe you were a linebacker but you mostly rushed the passer, but your smallish for a defensive end, and you don't really cover. So when scouting a high school kid for college, or a college kid for the pros, the would refer to the player as an EDGE. It is similar to how they would designate a player as ATHLETE win maybe he played some receiver, maybe returned kicks, maybe some corner. Not stellar at any of it but too good of an athlete to pass. An EDGE is typically a defensive end in a 4-3, or an outside linebacker in a 3-4 but it could also be an outside linebacker in a 4-3. And defensive fronts are somewhar ambiguous these days anyway. So edge rusher just became a guy who sells out to get to the QB, and doesn't do much else.
Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: people say parsons isnt good against the run, if that's the case where is the video. Ive seen video to the contrary. it's a fact that people tend to repeat things they hear others say without ever seeing it for themselvesstats prove that he doesn't make enough tackles on the fielddoesnt mean anything. that's like saying a cb isn't good because he doesnst get many int's. in fact it may indicate the opposite. maybe teams tend to not run to his side?nice attempt here. never heard of a shutdown edge rusher before lol. parsons was paid because he was the quickest off the line of scrimmage and had a tremendous pressure rate. he wasn't paid because offenses ran the ball away from him lol.Can’t say that I have. Can you name some shutdown edge rushers?
could be wrong but I don’t think there are any. It’s not something I’m worried about trying to figure out shut down edge rushers. You kinda alluded to it when comparing a cb to him. Not even sure how that happened lol
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Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97:
Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: Quote Originally Posted by maxwagers781: Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: people say parsons isnt good against the run, if that's the case where is the video. Ive seen video to the contrary. it's a fact that people tend to repeat things they hear others say without ever seeing it for themselvesstats prove that he doesn't make enough tackles on the fielddoesnt mean anything. that's like saying a cb isn't good because he doesnst get many int's. in fact it may indicate the opposite. maybe teams tend to not run to his side?nice attempt here. never heard of a shutdown edge rusher before lol. parsons was paid because he was the quickest off the line of scrimmage and had a tremendous pressure rate. he wasn't paid because offenses ran the ball away from him lol.Can’t say that I have. Can you name some shutdown edge rushers?
could be wrong but I don’t think there are any. It’s not something I’m worried about trying to figure out shut down edge rushers. You kinda alluded to it when comparing a cb to him. Not even sure how that happened lol
So the question becomes, is a guy who racks up a bunch of sacks valuable to winning? How many recent championship teams have had ultra dominant edge rushers? You can say Von Miller was a contributed factor to two recent championship teams. One of those teams featured a man by the name of Aaron Donald so Von definitely wasn't the anchor of that defense. Philadelphia's defense was very much a team effort. They had a dominant pass rush but not any one particular ultra dominant guy. Josh Sweat would be the closest. The Chiefs best defensive player the year before that was another defensive tackle, Chris Jones. Can anyone name a "edge" from the Patriots dyansty. I can because I follow the Patriots. None are household names. Yet their defenses were always strong. It's highly that Myles Garrett will factor on a championship team while in Cleveland. I think Myles Garrett is great but guys like him and Micah give you sacks. Many come against garbage teams. Many don't effect the outcome of games. Is there not more value in an interior linebacker like a Fred Warner, Patrick Queen, Roquan Smith who gets you a ton of tackles. Drops into coverage. Gets a couple picks and PBUs. Maybe doesn't get a ton of sacks but gets a few tackles for loss. I feel there's more value in that. Sacks are somewhat vanity. If you get 15 sacks but 8 are against bad teams, and 4 are in losing efforts, how valuable are you actually? Paying left tackles makes sense. Paying lockdown corners makes sense. Paying these edge rushers second to only QBs when most are weak against the run just seems like a mistake. I think in 5 years, G.M.s will have a change in philosophy towards paying edge rushers, much like they did for running backs.
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So the question becomes, is a guy who racks up a bunch of sacks valuable to winning? How many recent championship teams have had ultra dominant edge rushers? You can say Von Miller was a contributed factor to two recent championship teams. One of those teams featured a man by the name of Aaron Donald so Von definitely wasn't the anchor of that defense. Philadelphia's defense was very much a team effort. They had a dominant pass rush but not any one particular ultra dominant guy. Josh Sweat would be the closest. The Chiefs best defensive player the year before that was another defensive tackle, Chris Jones. Can anyone name a "edge" from the Patriots dyansty. I can because I follow the Patriots. None are household names. Yet their defenses were always strong. It's highly that Myles Garrett will factor on a championship team while in Cleveland. I think Myles Garrett is great but guys like him and Micah give you sacks. Many come against garbage teams. Many don't effect the outcome of games. Is there not more value in an interior linebacker like a Fred Warner, Patrick Queen, Roquan Smith who gets you a ton of tackles. Drops into coverage. Gets a couple picks and PBUs. Maybe doesn't get a ton of sacks but gets a few tackles for loss. I feel there's more value in that. Sacks are somewhat vanity. If you get 15 sacks but 8 are against bad teams, and 4 are in losing efforts, how valuable are you actually? Paying left tackles makes sense. Paying lockdown corners makes sense. Paying these edge rushers second to only QBs when most are weak against the run just seems like a mistake. I think in 5 years, G.M.s will have a change in philosophy towards paying edge rushers, much like they did for running backs.
Maybe he was being facetious. There is no such thing as a shutdown edge rusher. A modern NFL game sees, let's say 35 drop backs. With sacks and pressures that lead to an incomplete, lets say an edge rusher wins 3 of those drop backs. Is that really worth 47 million? What if you sack a guy, get three pressures, and he throws for 300 and 3 touch downs? The stats look good but the are meaningless at that point.
I wish Micah well but i'm glad my teams didn't give him 47 million. It's QB, LT, CB as fas as importance/pay. I really believe this idea that edge rushers are worth so much really came from agents.
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Maybe he was being facetious. There is no such thing as a shutdown edge rusher. A modern NFL game sees, let's say 35 drop backs. With sacks and pressures that lead to an incomplete, lets say an edge rusher wins 3 of those drop backs. Is that really worth 47 million? What if you sack a guy, get three pressures, and he throws for 300 and 3 touch downs? The stats look good but the are meaningless at that point.
I wish Micah well but i'm glad my teams didn't give him 47 million. It's QB, LT, CB as fas as importance/pay. I really believe this idea that edge rushers are worth so much really came from agents.
Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: This dude posted a highlight reel. I've got a good highlight reel too. That's why they call it a highlight reel.no one has shown vid to the contrary all I asked for is some footage of parsons playing bad against the run. Many have said it recently, but no footage even in the digital and information age. No footage of loch ness and big foot either. 1) What a ridiculous request. There are thousands of people making highlight videos. Nobody really does lowlight videos. 2) You can just look at his PFF run grade. It's bad. He's ranked something like 72nd against the run amongst edge rushers. To be clear though, i'm not shitting on Micah. I think he's a phenomenal player. I'm shitting on the notion that edge rushers deserve to be paid like quarterbacks. I think it is a narrative created by sports agents. Let's first look at the designation, edge rusher. EDGE is not a position. Edge is a designation that used to be used in the scouting high school and college athletes to describe a tweener player who doesn't fit conveniently in a position group due to size and/or skillset. Maybe you were a linebacker but you mostly rushed the passer, but your smallish for a defensive end, and you don't really cover. So when scouting a high school kid for college, or a college kid for the pros, the would refer to the player as an EDGE. It is similar to how they would designate a player as ATHLETE win maybe he played some receiver, maybe returned kicks, maybe some corner. Not stellar at any of it but too good of an athlete to pass. An EDGE is typically a defensive end in a 4-3, or an outside linebacker in a 3-4 but it could also be an outside linebacker in a 4-3. And defensive fronts are somewhar ambiguous these days anyway. So edge rusher just became a guy who sells out to get to the QB, and doesn't do much else.
then it doesnt exist. there are full cowboy games online. I remember using pff for cincy bearcats O-Line some years ago and they had them ranked high when they actually sucked ass. didnt go to that site ever again. too much going on things you don't, can't, and wouldn't know to effectively grade individual linemen to the extent they pretend to. all of those stats they show are ridiculous and shouldnt be taken seriously. you'd need to know agendas, schemes, assignments, just going by results or even watching every play which I doubt they do for every player which you'd have to do over and over and still wouldnt know the aforementioned to provide what they claim adequately. but people always reference them like it matters, tons of people and even nba players still reference +/- in nba still not understanding how it's a stupid stat that doesn't provide much information also.
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Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu:
Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: Quote Originally Posted by StumpTownStu: This dude posted a highlight reel. I've got a good highlight reel too. That's why they call it a highlight reel.no one has shown vid to the contrary all I asked for is some footage of parsons playing bad against the run. Many have said it recently, but no footage even in the digital and information age. No footage of loch ness and big foot either. 1) What a ridiculous request. There are thousands of people making highlight videos. Nobody really does lowlight videos. 2) You can just look at his PFF run grade. It's bad. He's ranked something like 72nd against the run amongst edge rushers. To be clear though, i'm not shitting on Micah. I think he's a phenomenal player. I'm shitting on the notion that edge rushers deserve to be paid like quarterbacks. I think it is a narrative created by sports agents. Let's first look at the designation, edge rusher. EDGE is not a position. Edge is a designation that used to be used in the scouting high school and college athletes to describe a tweener player who doesn't fit conveniently in a position group due to size and/or skillset. Maybe you were a linebacker but you mostly rushed the passer, but your smallish for a defensive end, and you don't really cover. So when scouting a high school kid for college, or a college kid for the pros, the would refer to the player as an EDGE. It is similar to how they would designate a player as ATHLETE win maybe he played some receiver, maybe returned kicks, maybe some corner. Not stellar at any of it but too good of an athlete to pass. An EDGE is typically a defensive end in a 4-3, or an outside linebacker in a 3-4 but it could also be an outside linebacker in a 4-3. And defensive fronts are somewhar ambiguous these days anyway. So edge rusher just became a guy who sells out to get to the QB, and doesn't do much else.
then it doesnt exist. there are full cowboy games online. I remember using pff for cincy bearcats O-Line some years ago and they had them ranked high when they actually sucked ass. didnt go to that site ever again. too much going on things you don't, can't, and wouldn't know to effectively grade individual linemen to the extent they pretend to. all of those stats they show are ridiculous and shouldnt be taken seriously. you'd need to know agendas, schemes, assignments, just going by results or even watching every play which I doubt they do for every player which you'd have to do over and over and still wouldnt know the aforementioned to provide what they claim adequately. but people always reference them like it matters, tons of people and even nba players still reference +/- in nba still not understanding how it's a stupid stat that doesn't provide much information also.
people say parsons isnt good against the run, if that's the case where is the video. Ive seen video to the contrary. it's a fact that people tend to repeat things they hear others say without ever seeing it for themselves
Here is one of many times Micah 'Marshmallow' Parsons has come up very small (enjoy):
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Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97:
people say parsons isnt good against the run, if that's the case where is the video. Ive seen video to the contrary. it's a fact that people tend to repeat things they hear others say without ever seeing it for themselves
Here is one of many times Micah 'Marshmallow' Parsons has come up very small (enjoy):
Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: people say parsons isnt good against the run, if that's the case where is the video. Ive seen video to the contrary. it's a fact that people tend to repeat things they hear others say without ever seeing it for themselves Here is one of many times Micah 'Marshmallow' Parsons has come up very small (enjoy): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp5CNBa4tak
1 time? against arguably the best left tackle in football one with 11 pro bowls. 6'5 320 lbs against 6'3 245 lbs with purdy getting the ball out of his hands as quickly as possible. not to mention tons of holding by 9ers entire line and no calls a blind man can see. Hold no call at :41, hold no call 1:41, double teamed by 2 sumo wrestlers at 2:24 lol wouldnt matter purdy gets the ball out so quick they have parsons on their mind and not about to let him disrupt shit. He gets a tackle for loss @ 2:33, 3:06 double teamed and mugged by 2 whales again. 3:13 held no call as usual. 3:19 chipped by fb then held by williams. 3:52 held by williams again, no call of course. Look at the facemask at 6:41. First half of vid parson had no bad plays, either they ran away from him, play was over quick because purdy got the ball out of his hands fast, he was double teamed, and/or held and no calls. As the game went on his motor waned some obviously frustrated by 9ers schemes and dirtiness and no calls from refs along with offense not getting it done. williams grab parson on damn near every play.
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Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobob89074:
Quote Originally Posted by rosswin97: people say parsons isnt good against the run, if that's the case where is the video. Ive seen video to the contrary. it's a fact that people tend to repeat things they hear others say without ever seeing it for themselves Here is one of many times Micah 'Marshmallow' Parsons has come up very small (enjoy): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zp5CNBa4tak
1 time? against arguably the best left tackle in football one with 11 pro bowls. 6'5 320 lbs against 6'3 245 lbs with purdy getting the ball out of his hands as quickly as possible. not to mention tons of holding by 9ers entire line and no calls a blind man can see. Hold no call at :41, hold no call 1:41, double teamed by 2 sumo wrestlers at 2:24 lol wouldnt matter purdy gets the ball out so quick they have parsons on their mind and not about to let him disrupt shit. He gets a tackle for loss @ 2:33, 3:06 double teamed and mugged by 2 whales again. 3:13 held no call as usual. 3:19 chipped by fb then held by williams. 3:52 held by williams again, no call of course. Look at the facemask at 6:41. First half of vid parson had no bad plays, either they ran away from him, play was over quick because purdy got the ball out of his hands fast, he was double teamed, and/or held and no calls. As the game went on his motor waned some obviously frustrated by 9ers schemes and dirtiness and no calls from refs along with offense not getting it done. williams grab parson on damn near every play.
ad hominem only happens when nothing can be refuted, even when I put timestamps and anyone can see. I'm the most unbias person I know. I don't know anything about parsons, I rarely watch nfl and until recently havent even seen parsons play until watching a highlight clip. I just wanted to footage of what people were chiming about recently about his play against the run is all.
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Quote Originally Posted by Buffalobob89074:
@rosswin97 You are a .
ad hominem only happens when nothing can be refuted, even when I put timestamps and anyone can see. I'm the most unbias person I know. I don't know anything about parsons, I rarely watch nfl and until recently havent even seen parsons play until watching a highlight clip. I just wanted to footage of what people were chiming about recently about his play against the run is all.
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