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    Dez Bryant once and for all

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    Posted: Jan. 12, 2015 - 4:16 AM ET #1

    Obviously this will be shown all week and it will be debated for a while so I'm here to settle the argument once and for all. This thread may be a tad bit long but I believe it should end all debate and any semi intelligent person will agree with what I have to say. My view on the subject is that it was a very bad call, the catch itself was a judgement call but there is absolutely no way It should have been overturned.  I see a ton of people quoting the rule "maintaing the catch through the ground " but not many posting the entire rule so here is a link to it. 
    https://mobile.twitter.com/AP_NFL/status/554385136591314944/photo/1


    Three things need to happen for a receiver to make a catch and turn into a runner with possession of the ball. He must have two feet down, he must possess and control the ball, and he make a move common to the game of football known as a football move. I'm going to say this one time clearly, the rule about maintaing the ball through the process of the catch only applies if the reciever has not met one or any of these three criteria, because a player does meet the three instances of a catch he is now a runner and no longer a reciever.

    The rule about the ball hitting the ground and the player "not controlling  through the catch" even though It appears like he has possession by rule applies to the entire field of play however it is only truly applicable in the endzone or going out of bounds catches. The reason for this is because in if a receiver goes to the ground in the endzone or out of bounds it is impossible for that player to make a football move prior to the ball hitting the ground . For example calvin Johnson caught the ball,h ad two feet down and had possession however since he was in the endzone and going to the ground he unable to make a football move before the ball hit the ground because the play is ruled over when the ball crosses the goal line. In turn, all three criteria for making a catch were not completed and the "maintaining through the catch/ground" rule comes into play so instead of it being a catch and a touchdown it needs to be ruled incomplete. 

    What happened with dez bryant was not the calvin Johnson play and I challenge you to find me another play where this rule applies in the field of play excluding the endzone or a catch that was made going out of bounds. The following is a fact, dez bryant caught the ball, had the ball in his hands and brought the ball to his shoulder then stuck the ball out in one hand while taking 3 steps and reached towards the goal line. This is my opinion and the opinion of some others which doesn't matter, dez Bryant had possession prior to hitting ground and the ball hitting the ground. If dez Bryant had completed the three rules of making a catch which are again , possession, feet down, and football move then the rule about the ball hitting the ground doesn't apply because he is a runner no longer a receiver. However like I said that is my opinion, it is not the opinions of gene serantore and other officials. Their opinions were that dez reaching for the goaline was not a move "common to the game of football", that is the quote of what he told Jason garret. Making dez only have two of the three criteria to become a runner and thus still a receiver and allowing the officials to move on to "maintaining the ball through the ground/catch" rule. And that is ok, that's a judgement call, did he or did he not have possession prior to the ball hitting the ground. The ruling doesn't have much to do with the rule of controlling the ball through the catch although it seems like that, it has everything to do with whether or not possession was deemed prior to that. But this is where the mistake was made and anyone who is not an idiot or unbiased should agree and this is proven by the fact that this in itself is an argument and a debate. You may think dez had possession before the ball hitting the ground like I do or you may think he didn't like gene did, however the call on the field was a completed catch and if you think that dez Bryant catching the ball, tucking the catch by his shoulder, moving it into his left hand, and reaching for the goal line showed CONCLUSIVELY that he did NOT have possession which in turn brings the "ball controlled through hitting the ground" rule into play then you are biased or an idiot. To overturn a call on the field there must be conclusive evidence and if there is absolutely no way that someone can look at dez, before he and the ball hit the ground, and say that conclusively he didn't have possession, that was the mistake made by the refs that robbed the Cowboys of a chance to win the game. And whoever thinks this compares to last weeks call is also an idiot that was a 3 and 1 on the 45 with almost 9 minutes left not a 4 and 2 with under four minutes left with a spot at the one yard line. 

    Disclaimer I had the packers minus 5.5 and am an Eagles fan from philly who despises the Cowboys. However I am unbiased, objective and know football. I don't know if it was a catch or not that's a discretion call but what I do know is that overturning the play on the field was a horrendous call and took away from the game and continues this embarrassing nfl season that' makes the league look like an absolute farce.
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    Obviously this will be shown all week and it will be debated for a while so I'm here to settle the argument once and for all. This thread may be a tad bit long but I believe it should end all debate and any semi intelligent person will agree with what I have to say. My view on the subject is that it was a very bad call, the catch itself was a judgement call but there is absolutely no way It should have been overturned.  I see a ton of people quoting the rule "maintaing the catch through the ground " but not many posting the entire rule so here is a link to it. 
    https://mobile.twitter.com/AP_NFL/status/554385136591314944/photo/1


    Three things need to happen for a receiver to make a catch and turn into a runner with possession of the ball. He must have two feet down, he must possess and control the ball, and he make a move common to the game of football known as a football move. I'm going to say this one time clearly, the rule about maintaing the ball through the process of the catch only applies if the reciever has not met one or any of these three criteria, because a player does meet the three instances of a catch he is now a runner and no longer a reciever.

    The rule about the ball hitting the ground and the player "not controlling  through the catch" even though It appears like he has possession by rule applies to the entire field of play however it is only truly applicable in the endzone or going out of bounds catches. The reason for this is because in if a receiver goes to the ground in the endzone or out of bounds it is impossible for that player to make a football move prior to the ball hitting the ground . For example calvin Johnson caught the ball,h ad two feet down and had possession however since he was in the endzone and going to the ground he unable to make a football move before the ball hit the ground because the play is ruled over when the ball crosses the goal line. In turn, all three criteria for making a catch were not completed and the "maintaining through the catch/ground" rule comes into play so instead of it being a catch and a touchdown it needs to be ruled incomplete. 

    What happened with dez bryant was not the calvin Johnson play and I challenge you to find me another play where this rule applies in the field of play excluding the endzone or a catch that was made going out of bounds. The following is a fact, dez bryant caught the ball, had the ball in his hands and brought the ball to his shoulder then stuck the ball out in one hand while taking 3 steps and reached towards the goal line. This is my opinion and the opinion of some others which doesn't matter, dez Bryant had possession prior to hitting ground and the ball hitting the ground. If dez Bryant had completed the three rules of making a catch which are again , possession, feet down, and football move then the rule about the ball hitting the ground doesn't apply because he is a runner no longer a receiver. However like I said that is my opinion, it is not the opinions of gene serantore and other officials. Their opinions were that dez reaching for the goaline was not a move "common to the game of football", that is the quote of what he told Jason garret. Making dez only have two of the three criteria to become a runner and thus still a receiver and allowing the officials to move on to "maintaining the ball through the ground/catch" rule. And that is ok, that's a judgement call, did he or did he not have possession prior to the ball hitting the ground. The ruling doesn't have much to do with the rule of controlling the ball through the catch although it seems like that, it has everything to do with whether or not possession was deemed prior to that. But this is where the mistake was made and anyone who is not an idiot or unbiased should agree and this is proven by the fact that this in itself is an argument and a debate. You may think dez had possession before the ball hitting the ground like I do or you may think he didn't like gene did, however the call on the field was a completed catch and if you think that dez Bryant catching the ball, tucking the catch by his shoulder, moving it into his left hand, and reaching for the goal line showed CONCLUSIVELY that he did NOT have possession which in turn brings the "ball controlled through hitting the ground" rule into play then you are biased or an idiot. To overturn a call on the field there must be conclusive evidence and if there is absolutely no way that someone can look at dez, before he and the ball hit the ground, and say that conclusively he didn't have possession, that was the mistake made by the refs that robbed the Cowboys of a chance to win the game. And whoever thinks this compares to last weeks call is also an idiot that was a 3 and 1 on the 45 with almost 9 minutes left not a 4 and 2 with under four minutes left with a spot at the one yard line. 

    Disclaimer I had the packers minus 5.5 and am an Eagles fan from philly who despises the Cowboys. However I am unbiased, objective and know football. I don't know if it was a catch or not that's a discretion call but what I do know is that overturning the play on the field was a horrendous call and took away from the game and continues this embarrassing nfl season that' makes the league look like an absolute farce.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 12, 2015 - 7:50 AM ET #2

    I.m a Detroit Lions fan and that was a catch and the overturn was just plain KARMA.
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    I.m a Detroit Lions fan and that was a catch and the overturn was just plain KARMA.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 12, 2015 - 7:55 AM ET #3

    That's the best thread about the whole thing and it wasn't this long winded post that no one is reading ,  LOOKING TO WIN  said it best    who cares the handicappers  bet Dallas and won . The GB bettors was fans throwing away money like every week
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    That's the best thread about the whole thing and it wasn't this long winded post that no one is reading ,  LOOKING TO WIN  said it best    who cares the handicappers  bet Dallas and won . The GB bettors was fans throwing away money like every week
     
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    Posted: Jan. 12, 2015 - 8:41 AM ET #4

    Quote Originally Posted by Eccapper1105:

    Obviously this will be shown all week and it will be debated for a while so I'm here to settle the argument once and for all. This thread may be a tad bit long but I believe it should end all debate and any semi intelligent person will agree with what I have to say. My view on the subject is that it was a very bad call, the catch itself was a judgement call but there is absolutely no way It should have been overturned.  I see a ton of people quoting the rule "maintaing the catch through the ground " but not many posting the entire rule so here is a link to it. 
    https://mobile.twitter.com/AP_NFL/status/554385136591314944/photo/1


    Three things need to happen for a receiver to make a catch and turn into a runner with possession of the ball. He must have two feet down, he must possess and control the ball, and he make a move common to the game of football known as a football move. I'm going to say this one time clearly, the rule about maintaing the ball through the process of the catch only applies if the reciever has not met one or any of these three criteria, because a player does meet the three instances of a catch he is now a runner and no longer a reciever.

    The rule about the ball hitting the ground and the player "not controlling  through the catch" even though It appears like he has possession by rule applies to the entire field of play however it is only truly applicable in the endzone or going out of bounds catches. The reason for this is because in if a receiver goes to the ground in the endzone or out of bounds it is impossible for that player to make a football move prior to the ball hitting the ground . For example calvin Johnson caught the ball,h ad two feet down and had possession however since he was in the endzone and going to the ground he unable to make a football move before the ball hit the ground because the play is ruled over when the ball crosses the goal line. In turn, all three criteria for making a catch were not completed and the "maintaining through the catch/ground" rule comes into play so instead of it being a catch and a touchdown it needs to be ruled incomplete. 

    What happened with dez bryant was not the calvin Johnson play and I challenge you to find me another play where this rule applies in the field of play excluding the endzone or a catch that was made going out of bounds. The following is a fact, dez bryant caught the ball, had the ball in his hands and brought the ball to his shoulder then stuck the ball out in one hand while taking 3 steps and reached towards the goal line. This is my opinion and the opinion of some others which doesn't matter, dez Bryant had possession prior to hitting ground and the ball hitting the ground. If dez Bryant had completed the three rules of making a catch which are again , possession, feet down, and football move then the rule about the ball hitting the ground doesn't apply because he is a runner no longer a receiver. However like I said that is my opinion, it is not the opinions of gene serantore and other officials. Their opinions were that dez reaching for the goaline was not a move "common to the game of football", that is the quote of what he told Jason garret. Making dez only have two of the three criteria to become a runner and thus still a receiver and allowing the officials to move on to "maintaining the ball through the ground/catch" rule. And that is ok, that's a judgement call, did he or did he not have possession prior to the ball hitting the ground. The ruling doesn't have much to do with the rule of controlling the ball through the catch although it seems like that, it has everything to do with whether or not possession was deemed prior to that. But this is where the mistake was made and anyone who is not an idiot or unbiased should agree and this is proven by the fact that this in itself is an argument and a debate. You may think dez had possession before the ball hitting the ground like I do or you may think he didn't like gene did, however the call on the field was a completed catch and if you think that dez Bryant catching the ball, tucking the catch by his shoulder, moving it into his left hand, and reaching for the goal line showed CONCLUSIVELY that he did NOT have possession which in turn brings the "ball controlled through hitting the ground" rule into play then you are biased or an idiot. To overturn a call on the field there must be conclusive evidence and if there is absolutely no way that someone can look at dez, before he and the ball hit the ground, and say that conclusively he didn't have possession, that was the mistake made by the refs that robbed the Cowboys of a chance to win the game. And whoever thinks this compares to last weeks call is also an idiot that was a 3 and 1 on the 45 with almost 9 minutes left not a 4 and 2 with under four minutes left with a spot at the one yard line. 

    Disclaimer I had the packers minus 5.5 and am an Eagles fan from philly who despises the Cowboys. However I am unbiased, objective and know football. I don't know if it was a catch or not that's a discretion call but what I do know is that overturning the play on the field was a horrendous call and took away from the game and continues this embarrassing nfl season that' makes the league look like an absolute farce.


    Nice try. But your still wrong. IMO, leagues opinion, refs opinion.  
    However, in saying that, I do think the rule is horrible and it needs some adjustments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eccapper1105:

    Obviously this will be shown all week and it will be debated for a while so I'm here to settle the argument once and for all. This thread may be a tad bit long but I believe it should end all debate and any semi intelligent person will agree with what I have to say. My view on the subject is that it was a very bad call, the catch itself was a judgement call but there is absolutely no way It should have been overturned.  I see a ton of people quoting the rule "maintaing the catch through the ground " but not many posting the entire rule so here is a link to it. 
    https://mobile.twitter.com/AP_NFL/status/554385136591314944/photo/1


    Three things need to happen for a receiver to make a catch and turn into a runner with possession of the ball. He must have two feet down, he must possess and control the ball, and he make a move common to the game of football known as a football move. I'm going to say this one time clearly, the rule about maintaing the ball through the process of the catch only applies if the reciever has not met one or any of these three criteria, because a player does meet the three instances of a catch he is now a runner and no longer a reciever.

    The rule about the ball hitting the ground and the player "not controlling  through the catch" even though It appears like he has possession by rule applies to the entire field of play however it is only truly applicable in the endzone or going out of bounds catches. The reason for this is because in if a receiver goes to the ground in the endzone or out of bounds it is impossible for that player to make a football move prior to the ball hitting the ground . For example calvin Johnson caught the ball,h ad two feet down and had possession however since he was in the endzone and going to the ground he unable to make a football move before the ball hit the ground because the play is ruled over when the ball crosses the goal line. In turn, all three criteria for making a catch were not completed and the "maintaining through the catch/ground" rule comes into play so instead of it being a catch and a touchdown it needs to be ruled incomplete. 

    What happened with dez bryant was not the calvin Johnson play and I challenge you to find me another play where this rule applies in the field of play excluding the endzone or a catch that was made going out of bounds. The following is a fact, dez bryant caught the ball, had the ball in his hands and brought the ball to his shoulder then stuck the ball out in one hand while taking 3 steps and reached towards the goal line. This is my opinion and the opinion of some others which doesn't matter, dez Bryant had possession prior to hitting ground and the ball hitting the ground. If dez Bryant had completed the three rules of making a catch which are again , possession, feet down, and football move then the rule about the ball hitting the ground doesn't apply because he is a runner no longer a receiver. However like I said that is my opinion, it is not the opinions of gene serantore and other officials. Their opinions were that dez reaching for the goaline was not a move "common to the game of football", that is the quote of what he told Jason garret. Making dez only have two of the three criteria to become a runner and thus still a receiver and allowing the officials to move on to "maintaining the ball through the ground/catch" rule. And that is ok, that's a judgement call, did he or did he not have possession prior to the ball hitting the ground. The ruling doesn't have much to do with the rule of controlling the ball through the catch although it seems like that, it has everything to do with whether or not possession was deemed prior to that. But this is where the mistake was made and anyone who is not an idiot or unbiased should agree and this is proven by the fact that this in itself is an argument and a debate. You may think dez had possession before the ball hitting the ground like I do or you may think he didn't like gene did, however the call on the field was a completed catch and if you think that dez Bryant catching the ball, tucking the catch by his shoulder, moving it into his left hand, and reaching for the goal line showed CONCLUSIVELY that he did NOT have possession which in turn brings the "ball controlled through hitting the ground" rule into play then you are biased or an idiot. To overturn a call on the field there must be conclusive evidence and if there is absolutely no way that someone can look at dez, before he and the ball hit the ground, and say that conclusively he didn't have possession, that was the mistake made by the refs that robbed the Cowboys of a chance to win the game. And whoever thinks this compares to last weeks call is also an idiot that was a 3 and 1 on the 45 with almost 9 minutes left not a 4 and 2 with under four minutes left with a spot at the one yard line. 

    Disclaimer I had the packers minus 5.5 and am an Eagles fan from philly who despises the Cowboys. However I am unbiased, objective and know football. I don't know if it was a catch or not that's a discretion call but what I do know is that overturning the play on the field was a horrendous call and took away from the game and continues this embarrassing nfl season that' makes the league look like an absolute farce.


    Nice try. But your still wrong. IMO, leagues opinion, refs opinion.  
    However, in saying that, I do think the rule is horrible and it needs some adjustments.
     
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    Agree 10000%. It was a catch and the ref made a JUDGEMENT call to overturn it. In his judgement dez reaching for goal line was not a football move when clearly it was. This was not a black and white call. Again in was a judgement call and the fact that it was ruled a catch on the field means u need 100% certainty that he didnt make football move and in no way could that b determined. Therefor the call on field shoulda been upheld
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    Agree 10000%. It was a catch and the ref made a JUDGEMENT call to overturn it. In his judgement dez reaching for goal line was not a football move when clearly it was. This was not a black and white call. Again in was a judgement call and the fact that it was ruled a catch on the field means u need 100% certainty that he didnt make football move and in no way could that b determined. Therefor the call on field shoulda been upheld
     
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    Posted: Jan. 12, 2015 - 9:57 AM ET #6

    GB ended up marching right down the field and would of won on a TD or FG anyway. The ended up burning the clock before kicking the FG that would of put them up even if the Cowboys had scored. 

    So for all the Cowboy cry bagging, they'd of lost anyway.


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    GB ended up marching right down the field and would of won on a TD or FG anyway. The ended up burning the clock before kicking the FG that would of put them up even if the Cowboys had scored. 

    So for all the Cowboy cry bagging, they'd of lost anyway.


     
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    When both feet leave the air to catch the ball you must maintain control through the entirety of the catch.

    It's like saying, had dez continued that bobble and lost the ball it would have been a fumble. Which is not the case because the ground caused it to move.

    Now if ground can cause fumbles, then yes it's a catch. Then they need to change the rules.
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    When both feet leave the air to catch the ball you must maintain control through the entirety of the catch.

    It's like saying, had dez continued that bobble and lost the ball it would have been a fumble. Which is not the case because the ground caused it to move.

    Now if ground can cause fumbles, then yes it's a catch. Then they need to change the rules.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 12, 2015 - 2:35 PM ET #8

    anyone who thinks referee steratore made that "overturn"is kidding themselves.The replay officials WHOEVER  they are(the broadcasters do not reveal their names),told him to overturn.Hes just the mouthpiece. Steratore officiates the NFL and D1 NCAA basketball,he will be officiating pop warner and aau games for $25 if he doesn't do as he is told.Lets see names and pictures of the replay officials.
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    anyone who thinks referee steratore made that "overturn"is kidding themselves.The replay officials WHOEVER  they are(the broadcasters do not reveal their names),told him to overturn.Hes just the mouthpiece. Steratore officiates the NFL and D1 NCAA basketball,he will be officiating pop warner and aau games for $25 if he doesn't do as he is told.Lets see names and pictures of the replay officials.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdubz34:

    When both feet leave the air to catch the ball you must maintain control through the entirety of the catch.

    It's like saying, had dez continued that bobble and lost the ball it would have been a fumble. Which is not the case because the ground caused it to move.

    Now if ground can cause fumbles, then yes it's a catch. Then they need to change the rules.

     

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdubz34:

    When both feet leave the air to catch the ball you must maintain control through the entirety of the catch.

    It's like saying, had dez continued that bobble and lost the ball it would have been a fumble. Which is not the case because the ground caused it to move.

    Now if ground can cause fumbles, then yes it's a catch. Then they need to change the rules.

     

     
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    I had Dallas Ml and +6. I was at the Wynn all weekend. That said it was 100% a catch. If GB had a receiver catch the same ball in that manner to screw me on the last second it would still be a catch. I don't care if I had 100k on the ML. Right is right and the NFL is one of the biggest jokes on the planet.

    The NFL is full of shat. Period. I know they are criminals, but you hope they won't make it as obvious as they do.  

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    I had Dallas Ml and +6. I was at the Wynn all weekend. That said it was 100% a catch. If GB had a receiver catch the same ball in that manner to screw me on the last second it would still be a catch. I don't care if I had 100k on the ML. Right is right and the NFL is one of the biggest jokes on the planet.

    The NFL is full of shat. Period. I know they are criminals, but you hope they won't make it as obvious as they do.  

     
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    exactly what I said, been watching football forever and that's the first time i've ever seen that rule applied INBOUNDS after the guy is CLEARLY stretching for yards (FOOTBALL MOVE)

    it was bs and it completely screwed the game and i'm still pissed off
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    exactly what I said, been watching football forever and that's the first time i've ever seen that rule applied INBOUNDS after the guy is CLEARLY stretching for yards (FOOTBALL MOVE)

    it was bs and it completely screwed the game and i'm still pissed off
     
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    It's one thing to make a split second decision and make a mistake.  Happens

    It's another thing to get multiple replays, league input, and completely reverse the call on the field that the side ref was a few feet away with and could clearly see and rules as a catch.  It was AWFUL
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    It's one thing to make a split second decision and make a mistake.  Happens

    It's another thing to get multiple replays, league input, and completely reverse the call on the field that the side ref was a few feet away with and could clearly see and rules as a catch.  It was AWFUL
     
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    still have yet to recieve the response from the pro-referees suk the NFL angle that taking the ball from 2 hands to one and stretching towards the end zone is not a football move
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    still have yet to recieve the response from the pro-referees suk the NFL angle that taking the ball from 2 hands to one and stretching towards the end zone is not a football move
     
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    jesus christ... no, he did not take steps, he had momentum, thats all it was, watch again.

    That is why he was still a receiver and not established himself as a runner. Dont complicate things, its a simple rule that sucks
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    jesus christ... no, he did not take steps, he had momentum, thats all it was, watch again.

    That is why he was still a receiver and not established himself as a runner. Dont complicate things, its a simple rule that sucks
     
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    last week call was a robbery, a bad no call... this one is a bad rule applied correctly.
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    last week call was a robbery, a bad no call... this one is a bad rule applied correctly.
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by statfreak:

    last week call was a robbery, a bad no call... this one is a bad rule applied correctly.

    so moving the ball from 2 hands to 1 and the leaping towards the end zone arent football moves?
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    Quote Originally Posted by statfreak:

    last week call was a robbery, a bad no call... this one is a bad rule applied correctly.

    so moving the ball from 2 hands to 1 and the leaping towards the end zone arent football moves?
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by statfreak:

    jesus christ... no, he did not take steps, he had momentum, thats all it was, watch again.

    That is why he was still a receiver and not established himself as a runner. Dont complicate things, its a simple rule that sucks

    The thought that one of the best wide recievers in the league, an athletic specimen known to make wild catches on a regular basis,  had the ball secured in his chest and did not have the body control to keep it there as he fell ?.. That is ludacris. His arms didn't flail out to the ground because of momentum, they reached out because it was a conscience decision to try and score making it a football move, it doesn't matter how many steps or he did or didn't take, obviously if you would hae read my original post you would see the only thing that matters is two feet landing in bounds and then a football move, it just happens that taking steps are probably the most common football move and occur most of the time but steps don't necessarily  have to occur after both feet land, just a move Common to the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by statfreak:

    jesus christ... no, he did not take steps, he had momentum, thats all it was, watch again.

    That is why he was still a receiver and not established himself as a runner. Dont complicate things, its a simple rule that sucks

    The thought that one of the best wide recievers in the league, an athletic specimen known to make wild catches on a regular basis,  had the ball secured in his chest and did not have the body control to keep it there as he fell ?.. That is ludacris. His arms didn't flail out to the ground because of momentum, they reached out because it was a conscience decision to try and score making it a football move, it doesn't matter how many steps or he did or didn't take, obviously if you would hae read my original post you would see the only thing that matters is two feet landing in bounds and then a football move, it just happens that taking steps are probably the most common football move and occur most of the time but steps don't necessarily  have to occur after both feet land, just a move Common to the game.
     
     
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    Quote Originally Posted by statfreak:

    last week call was a robbery, a bad no call... this one is a bad rule applied correctly.

    I think the rule is a good rule and works just how it should in the endZone and out of bounds, however it was not applied properly...the rule is "IN THE PROCESS OF THE CATCH must control through the ground. The process of the catch was over and even if you think he wasn't making a football move you cannot conclusively say he wasn't and shouldn't have resulted in an overturned replay
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    Quote Originally Posted by statfreak:

    last week call was a robbery, a bad no call... this one is a bad rule applied correctly.

    I think the rule is a good rule and works just how it should in the endZone and out of bounds, however it was not applied properly...the rule is "IN THE PROCESS OF THE CATCH must control through the ground. The process of the catch was over and even if you think he wasn't making a football move you cannot conclusively say he wasn't and shouldn't have resulted in an overturned replay
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