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    DENVER @ JETS! BIG WRITE-UP: Sometimes ya just gotta swallow hard and pull the trigger on a team.

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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2014 - 10:18 AM ET #26

    Quote Originally Posted by playboy37:

    I love your post scal , and I look forward to your post when I get a chance to come on covers , but I think Denver will absolutely destroy jets. The broncos will put big pressure on geno which will allow them to get turnovers much like San Diego did. Peyton will find open receivers all day long. Even if broncos have a bad game I see a 2 td game. But good luck

    And the Jets will put big pressure on Manning with their front 7 which is better than the Broncos front 7. We only need to stay within 10 here. That's the goal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by playboy37:

    I love your post scal , and I look forward to your post when I get a chance to come on covers , but I think Denver will absolutely destroy jets. The broncos will put big pressure on geno which will allow them to get turnovers much like San Diego did. Peyton will find open receivers all day long. Even if broncos have a bad game I see a 2 td game. But good luck

    And the Jets will put big pressure on Manning with their front 7 which is better than the Broncos front 7. We only need to stay within 10 here. That's the goal.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2014 - 10:18 AM ET #27

    Quote Originally Posted by fts1409:

    Nice writeup. Thx for taking the time. Have not forgotten how u nailed the Giants a few weeks back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fts1409:

    Nice writeup. Thx for taking the time. Have not forgotten how u nailed the Giants a few weeks back.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2014 - 10:19 AM ET #28

    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Might have to do it.....


    Hope you took Ole Miss last night

    I did. I did.

    Should have hit them up for more. It was a bloodbath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

    Might have to do it.....


    Hope you took Ole Miss last night

    I did. I did.

    Should have hit them up for more. It was a bloodbath.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2014 - 10:25 AM ET #29

    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    2014 NFL record 2-0

    2014 CFB record 1-1

    I've given more thought to this game than any game this year in college or the pros.

    I'm laying in bed until about an hour ago and I said to myself, "If this number goes up anymore, I have to take it."

    It did and folks, fasten your seatbelts: We are going Jets here.

    The opening lines were very strange with this one. Some places had them as low as SEVEN and now I'm seeing 10's, 10.5 on Bovada at -115 and 5 Dimes is offering +11 -140. So whatever makes you comfortable, take. But at a minimum, you should get minus 10 at standard juice.

    So since it is only 4.5 hours until kickoff, I'm going to have to condense my write-up. So here's some rapid fire points.

    1. The line

    A line move of 3.5 pts is MAJOR. For the books to open this at 7 in some places blows my mind. Why? 7 is a number with no teaser protection, that is, even in the Jets get inside 7, the Broncos and the Chargers (also opened at -7/-8) will be the biggest teased games of the week BY FAR.

    That means, if there is a blowout by Denver (which the public expects), the books are really going to take a beating on straight plays, teasers and of course, parlays.

    Now for the books to open this line at 7/7.5/8 and not have the teaser protection absolutely REEKS of the books wanting to take a STRONG position on the Jets to get back the San Diego money and then some on this team.

    And I can assure you, the Broncos and the Chargers will be the two biggest public sides BY FAR this week. I don't even need to look at the alleged percentages (and if you do look, Denver is #1 on the front page of this site in terms of public support).

    I can pick or fade the Jets on my own merits without line reading but this line and the big movement, all through key numbers, really stands out so it has to be noted.

    2. Classic Buy High/Sell Low

    Folks, this is not news to a bettor. You have to treat these games like a stock.

    So what is the most recent thing you see from the Jets?

    A 31-0 blowout where they couldn't score a point and they brought in their backup.

    What is the most recent thing you see from the Broncos?

    A 41-20 blowout of the 3-0 Cardinals.

    So were those games as impressive as they seemed for the victors? No.

    Why?

    In the San Diego game, I can assure you, the Jets gave up at the end of the second quarter.

    Would they have won otherwise? No. But that is not the point. The beating they took really drives this line through the roof.

    It was about 100 degrees on the field and the Jets had their bags packed at halftime and wanted out. They were ready to go home and play Denver.

    San Diego has a knack for doing this to teams against a very good team and this is key, in that weather. We saw the Super Bowl Champs even go there and lose 31-20, gasping and heaving all over the field in the humidity.

    The point. As bad as it looked, and it was BAD, you can't let that ultimately sway your pick and lay the points here. This line is big enough to take the Jets with in a big bounceback spot.

    Was the Denver game as impressive as it seemed? No.

    Why? The last game they played before that was the comeback heartbreaker rematch vs. the Seahawks in Seattle. That was a huge loss in a game they needed redemption from.

    Better yet, they had a bye to stew over the loss, gameplan for the Cardinals and come home and demolish them with a classic Manning airshow.

    Better yet, Carson Palmer was out and even better yet, the backup Drew Stanton went down early in the third and Logan Thomas came in and completed exactly ONE PASS the rest of the game. 

    Remember this, that game was MUCH closer entering the fourth at 24-20 Denver. The Broncos scored 17 pts against a team without a competent QB to close it out making it look like a blowout. It wasn't! They just feasted on a team that was down to its third string QB on the road and allowed to lose one after a perfect start to the season.

    So in summation, the "Recency Effect", that is, having the most recent performance sway you pick, is completely on the Broncos side.

    But there win wasn't as impressive after a little digging and the Jets loss wasn't as bad after understanding why things were what they were.

    The Knicks have given up 1,000's of times! And the next game they came out guns a blazin'. They gave up FIFTY in a quarter this year to the unbelievably horrid Lakers and won the very next game (and I wrote that Knicks @ Kings game up for the Knicks side when they won 107-99 getting +2). So don't be worried about the give up. Teams do this more than you think and bounce back in a big way.

     

    not trying 2 piss on yr post..great writeup by the way..but im a last game jet fan..been fan 4 30 years...Denver wins by 24 EASY
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    Quote Originally Posted by scalabrine:

    2014 NFL record 2-0

    2014 CFB record 1-1

    I've given more thought to this game than any game this year in college or the pros.

    I'm laying in bed until about an hour ago and I said to myself, "If this number goes up anymore, I have to take it."

    It did and folks, fasten your seatbelts: We are going Jets here.

    The opening lines were very strange with this one. Some places had them as low as SEVEN and now I'm seeing 10's, 10.5 on Bovada at -115 and 5 Dimes is offering +11 -140. So whatever makes you comfortable, take. But at a minimum, you should get minus 10 at standard juice.

    So since it is only 4.5 hours until kickoff, I'm going to have to condense my write-up. So here's some rapid fire points.

    1. The line

    A line move of 3.5 pts is MAJOR. For the books to open this at 7 in some places blows my mind. Why? 7 is a number with no teaser protection, that is, even in the Jets get inside 7, the Broncos and the Chargers (also opened at -7/-8) will be the biggest teased games of the week BY FAR.

    That means, if there is a blowout by Denver (which the public expects), the books are really going to take a beating on straight plays, teasers and of course, parlays.

    Now for the books to open this line at 7/7.5/8 and not have the teaser protection absolutely REEKS of the books wanting to take a STRONG position on the Jets to get back the San Diego money and then some on this team.

    And I can assure you, the Broncos and the Chargers will be the two biggest public sides BY FAR this week. I don't even need to look at the alleged percentages (and if you do look, Denver is #1 on the front page of this site in terms of public support).

    I can pick or fade the Jets on my own merits without line reading but this line and the big movement, all through key numbers, really stands out so it has to be noted.

    2. Classic Buy High/Sell Low

    Folks, this is not news to a bettor. You have to treat these games like a stock.

    So what is the most recent thing you see from the Jets?

    A 31-0 blowout where they couldn't score a point and they brought in their backup.

    What is the most recent thing you see from the Broncos?

    A 41-20 blowout of the 3-0 Cardinals.

    So were those games as impressive as they seemed for the victors? No.

    Why?

    In the San Diego game, I can assure you, the Jets gave up at the end of the second quarter.

    Would they have won otherwise? No. But that is not the point. The beating they took really drives this line through the roof.

    It was about 100 degrees on the field and the Jets had their bags packed at halftime and wanted out. They were ready to go home and play Denver.

    San Diego has a knack for doing this to teams against a very good team and this is key, in that weather. We saw the Super Bowl Champs even go there and lose 31-20, gasping and heaving all over the field in the humidity.

    The point. As bad as it looked, and it was BAD, you can't let that ultimately sway your pick and lay the points here. This line is big enough to take the Jets with in a big bounceback spot.

    Was the Denver game as impressive as it seemed? No.

    Why? The last game they played before that was the comeback heartbreaker rematch vs. the Seahawks in Seattle. That was a huge loss in a game they needed redemption from.

    Better yet, they had a bye to stew over the loss, gameplan for the Cardinals and come home and demolish them with a classic Manning airshow.

    Better yet, Carson Palmer was out and even better yet, the backup Drew Stanton went down early in the third and Logan Thomas came in and completed exactly ONE PASS the rest of the game. 

    Remember this, that game was MUCH closer entering the fourth at 24-20 Denver. The Broncos scored 17 pts against a team without a competent QB to close it out making it look like a blowout. It wasn't! They just feasted on a team that was down to its third string QB on the road and allowed to lose one after a perfect start to the season.

    So in summation, the "Recency Effect", that is, having the most recent performance sway you pick, is completely on the Broncos side.

    But there win wasn't as impressive after a little digging and the Jets loss wasn't as bad after understanding why things were what they were.

    The Knicks have given up 1,000's of times! And the next game they came out guns a blazin'. They gave up FIFTY in a quarter this year to the unbelievably horrid Lakers and won the very next game (and I wrote that Knicks @ Kings game up for the Knicks side when they won 107-99 getting +2). So don't be worried about the give up. Teams do this more than you think and bounce back in a big way.

     

    not trying 2 piss on yr post..great writeup by the way..but im a last game jet fan..been fan 4 30 years...Denver wins by 24 EASY
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2014 - 10:25 AM ET #30

    One other thing to note. The Jets are tied for first in sacks this year and can stop the run. The downside is that Denver has only given up one sack the whole year but when you pressure Manning that's at least half the battle.

    I parlayed Jets + under because that is clearly correlated. If the Jets cover it will go under for sure.

    Thanks for the writeup.
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    One other thing to note. The Jets are tied for first in sacks this year and can stop the run. The downside is that Denver has only given up one sack the whole year but when you pressure Manning that's at least half the battle.

    I parlayed Jets + under because that is clearly correlated. If the Jets cover it will go under for sure.

    Thanks for the writeup.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2014 - 10:29 AM ET #31

    I got Denver - 7.0 @ opening I am more than happy with that. Jets stink, let's see what happens.

    PS -There's a reason the line has shifted up 3 points or so, it's because the - 7.0 was a gift.

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    I got Denver - 7.0 @ opening I am more than happy with that. Jets stink, let's see what happens.

    PS -There's a reason the line has shifted up 3 points or so, it's because the - 7.0 was a gift.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2014 - 10:35 AM ET #32

    Here's hoping the Broncos have their bags packed by halftime. GL Scal!
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    Here's hoping the Broncos have their bags packed by halftime. GL Scal!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2014 - 10:40 AM ET #33

    Denvers a bit of a fraud ill agree with that, hard for me to back the jets but i think i have too today.
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    Denvers a bit of a fraud ill agree with that, hard for me to back the jets but i think i have too today.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2014 - 10:45 AM ET #34

    Great write-up, but this time public money is on the same page of the sharps and the wise guys. 
    I know Vegas always win but sometime the public bets have the right to win sometimes.
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    Great write-up, but this time public money is on the same page of the sharps and the wise guys. 
    I know Vegas always win but sometime the public bets have the right to win sometimes.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2014 - 10:46 AM ET #35

    Thanks Scal how big of a play is this for you 3 units? 
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    Thanks Scal how big of a play is this for you 3 units? 
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2014 - 10:47 AM ET #36

    GL today Scal.

    It takes a lot of guts to bet the Jets. I did it twice earlier in the season and just don't have the stomach for it yet.

    Support your local animal shelter. I am on twitter.
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    GL today Scal.

    It takes a lot of guts to bet the Jets. I did it twice earlier in the season and just don't have the stomach for it yet.

     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2014 - 10:56 AM ET #37

    With this being the most heavily bet game(nos of wagers) and with Den getting 87% of those this is a huge pub fav just as u alluded to. a very interesting contrarian pick. best of luck.
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    With this being the most heavily bet game(nos of wagers) and with Den getting 87% of those this is a huge pub fav just as u alluded to. a very interesting contrarian pick. best of luck.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2014 - 11:00 AM ET #38

    Excellent write-up.  I'm passing regardless, but great read and handicapping. Good luck!
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    Excellent write-up.  I'm passing regardless, but great read and handicapping. Good luck!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2014 - 11:05 AM ET #39

    It sounds like you thought for days and days and day for reasons to back the Jets. This is classic, just classic, textbook case of some one who had his mind made up on the pick from the get go but then needed days to create  scenarios on why..


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    It sounds like you thought for days and days and day for reasons to back the Jets. This is classic, just classic, textbook case of some one who had his mind made up on the pick from the get go but then needed days to create  scenarios on why..


     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2014 - 11:07 AM ET #40

    Nice write up.....taking DENVER HUGE$$$$$$$$!
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    Nice write up.....taking DENVER HUGE$$$$$$$$!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2014 - 11:08 AM ET #41

    I AGREE SCAL BOL 
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2014 - 11:24 AM ET #42

    nice write up.  gl today!
    “The house doesn’t beat the player. It just gives him the opportunity to beat himself.”
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    nice write up.  gl today!
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2014 - 11:34 AM ET #43

    If you must take this game, I'd rather lose knowing I took the much better team (Denver) then backing a jets team that can't compete right now. Saying 15 minutes into the game... " I can't believe I backed the jets". To me it's a Denver play or absolutely nothing. But what do I know
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    If you must take this game, I'd rather lose knowing I took the much better team (Denver) then backing a jets team that can't compete right now. Saying 15 minutes into the game... " I can't believe I backed the jets". To me it's a Denver play or absolutely nothing. But what do I know
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2014 - 11:40 AM ET #44

    How many stars, Scal?
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2014 - 11:41 AM ET #45

    When jets are down by 14 points or more they have never won a game. Peyton will be up by 14 points at least at one moment in this game and then Jet backers should rip up their tickets.
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    When jets are down by 14 points or more they have never won a game. Peyton will be up by 14 points at least at one moment in this game and then Jet backers should rip up their tickets.
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2014 - 11:44 AM ET #46

    nvm the jets covered vs green bay... but ya lets get this money scal
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    nvm the jets covered vs green bay... but ya lets get this money scal
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2014 - 11:45 AM ET #47

    if this was any other team in this situation @nyj i would have to agree w you and go jets but the hurry up offense and potential output by manning makes backing the jets here far too risky BOL
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    if this was any other team in this situation @nyj i would have to agree w you and go jets but the hurry up offense and potential output by manning makes backing the jets here far too risky BOL
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2014 - 11:58 AM ET #48

    How many stars ?
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2014 - 12:23 PM ET #49

    Quote Originally Posted by ActionMagnet:

    It sounds like you thought for days and days and day for reasons to back the Jets. This is classic, just classic, textbook case of some one who had his mind made up on the pick from the get go but then needed days to create  scenarios on why..



    Wrong!

    I was not going to post at -7.

    Then came a two point swing to 9 and I really started looking into it.
    10 was the number I needed (I actually have 10.5 but posted 10 because most books have it at 10) so I posted everything I found. It's pretty compelling for a jets side. 

    Believe me, you can ask anyone here: I have made a lot more money fading the jets on this site than taking them.

    So to post them here is a big move to the other side of my comfort zone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ActionMagnet:

    It sounds like you thought for days and days and day for reasons to back the Jets. This is classic, just classic, textbook case of some one who had his mind made up on the pick from the get go but then needed days to create  scenarios on why..



    Wrong!

    I was not going to post at -7.

    Then came a two point swing to 9 and I really started looking into it.
    10 was the number I needed (I actually have 10.5 but posted 10 because most books have it at 10) so I posted everything I found. It's pretty compelling for a jets side. 

    Believe me, you can ask anyone here: I have made a lot more money fading the jets on this site than taking them.

    So to post them here is a big move to the other side of my comfort zone.
     
     
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    Posted: Oct. 12, 2014 - 12:25 PM ET #50

    Quote Originally Posted by rogercw:

    not trying 2 piss on yr post..great writeup by the way..but im a last game jet fan..been fan 4 30 years...Denver wins by 24 EASY

    The exact same thing was said when the Saints and their high powered offense, like Denver's, came to NY last year laying 7 as well and the Jets won outright.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rogercw:

    not trying 2 piss on yr post..great writeup by the way..but im a last game jet fan..been fan 4 30 years...Denver wins by 24 EASY

    The exact same thing was said when the Saints and their high powered offense, like Denver's, came to NY last year laying 7 as well and the Jets won outright.


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