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    Can someone explain to me

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    Posted: Jan. 14, 2017 - 6:06 PM ET #1

    This is the most mind boggling stupid thing associated with this sport.

    That is, when a team has done something illegal, why does the play continue when that team is going to be penalised?

    In no sport in the world does this occur.

    That punt where the Seattle runner returned it to the Atlanta 9, the penalty occured when the Atlanta player kicked it. The ref who threw the flag obviously threw the flag because he saw the Seattle player did something illegal, so the penalty was going to be on Seattle....

    The question is, why allow play to continue? Most stupid incompetent process in the sport.

    In rugby, if say a team that has the ball does something illegal, as soon as it is done, the play immediately stops. It doesnt allow the play to continue then bring it back for that penalty.

    Why bother letting them to continue to play if something was done illegally?

    If a team has the ball and the opposition does something illegal, then absolutely play the advantage, but ONLY if it means the team that has the ball has the advantage.

    I mean, the guy ran the ball like 70 yards or whatever yet his team mate did something illegal way way before, why not stop the play immediately instead of letting play continue to bring it back?

    Most dumbest thing i have ever seen in sports.

    It would be like if a basketball player does something like a travel, do the refs let them continue to play offense until they finish there offense set then bring the ball back?
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    This is the most mind boggling stupid thing associated with this sport.

    That is, when a team has done something illegal, why does the play continue when that team is going to be penalised?

    In no sport in the world does this occur.

    That punt where the Seattle runner returned it to the Atlanta 9, the penalty occured when the Atlanta player kicked it. The ref who threw the flag obviously threw the flag because he saw the Seattle player did something illegal, so the penalty was going to be on Seattle....

    The question is, why allow play to continue? Most stupid incompetent process in the sport.

    In rugby, if say a team that has the ball does something illegal, as soon as it is done, the play immediately stops. It doesnt allow the play to continue then bring it back for that penalty.

    Why bother letting them to continue to play if something was done illegally?

    If a team has the ball and the opposition does something illegal, then absolutely play the advantage, but ONLY if it means the team that has the ball has the advantage.

    I mean, the guy ran the ball like 70 yards or whatever yet his team mate did something illegal way way before, why not stop the play immediately instead of letting play continue to bring it back?

    Most dumbest thing i have ever seen in sports.

    It would be like if a basketball player does something like a travel, do the refs let them continue to play offense until they finish there offense set then bring the ball back?
     
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    Posted: Jan. 14, 2017 - 6:10 PM ET #2

    Football is looking to speed up the game this would be a good place for it to start. Could also reduce unnecessary injuries and wear and tear. I would support this.      
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    Football is looking to speed up the game this would be a good place for it to start. Could also reduce unnecessary injuries and wear and tear. I would support this.      
     
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    Posted: Jan. 14, 2017 - 6:43 PM ET #3

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    This is the most mind boggling stupid thing associated with this sport.

    That is, when a team has done something illegal, why does the play continue when that team is going to be penalised?

    In no sport in the world does this occur.

    That punt where the Seattle runner returned it to the Atlanta 9, the penalty occured when the Atlanta player kicked it. The ref who threw the flag obviously threw the flag because he saw the Seattle player did something illegal, so the penalty was going to be on Seattle....

    The question is, why allow play to continue? Most stupid incompetent process in the sport.

    In rugby, if say a team that has the ball does something illegal, as soon as it is done, the play immediately stops. It doesnt allow the play to continue then bring it back for that penalty.

    Why bother letting them to continue to play if something was done illegally?

    If a team has the ball and the opposition does something illegal, then absolutely play the advantage, but ONLY if it means the team that has the ball has the advantage.

    I mean, the guy ran the ball like 70 yards or whatever yet his team mate did something illegal way way before, why not stop the play immediately instead of letting play continue to bring it back?

    Most dumbest thing i have ever seen in sports.

    It would be like if a basketball player does something like a travel, do the refs let them continue to play offense until they finish there offense set then bring the ball back?

    You have a very good point. But there is also advantage for the team that was just fouled. If the punt was muffed & kicking team recovers it,they can decline that penalty & get the ball in favorable field position. So fouling team may get penalized more by committing the foul.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rostos:

    This is the most mind boggling stupid thing associated with this sport.

    That is, when a team has done something illegal, why does the play continue when that team is going to be penalised?

    In no sport in the world does this occur.

    That punt where the Seattle runner returned it to the Atlanta 9, the penalty occured when the Atlanta player kicked it. The ref who threw the flag obviously threw the flag because he saw the Seattle player did something illegal, so the penalty was going to be on Seattle....

    The question is, why allow play to continue? Most stupid incompetent process in the sport.

    In rugby, if say a team that has the ball does something illegal, as soon as it is done, the play immediately stops. It doesnt allow the play to continue then bring it back for that penalty.

    Why bother letting them to continue to play if something was done illegally?

    If a team has the ball and the opposition does something illegal, then absolutely play the advantage, but ONLY if it means the team that has the ball has the advantage.

    I mean, the guy ran the ball like 70 yards or whatever yet his team mate did something illegal way way before, why not stop the play immediately instead of letting play continue to bring it back?

    Most dumbest thing i have ever seen in sports.

    It would be like if a basketball player does something like a travel, do the refs let them continue to play offense until they finish there offense set then bring the ball back?

    You have a very good point. But there is also advantage for the team that was just fouled. If the punt was muffed & kicking team recovers it,they can decline that penalty & get the ball in favorable field position. So fouling team may get penalized more by committing the foul.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 14, 2017 - 6:47 PM ET #4

    Id say they play it out as sometimes the ref that called the penalty can be overturned by another who saw the play better. Always better in football to play out the play.
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    Id say they play it out as sometimes the ref that called the penalty can be overturned by another who saw the play better. Always better in football to play out the play.
     
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    Posted: Jan. 14, 2017 - 6:51 PM ET #5

    because a stadium is loud and its sometimes tough to hear the whistle or see the flag if a 250 poubd guy is looking to take your head off
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    because a stadium is loud and its sometimes tough to hear the whistle or see the flag if a 250 poubd guy is looking to take your head off
     
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    Posted: Jan. 14, 2017 - 6:53 PM ET #6

    Quote Originally Posted by dangimgd:


    You have a very good point. But there is also advantage for the team that was just fouled. If the punt was muffed & kicking team recovers it,they can decline that penalty & get the ball in favorable field position. So fouling team may get penalized more by committing the foul.



    Returner could fumble.

    On offense, if there is a hold on the offense the play continues and it could result in an interception for the defense.   
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    Quote Originally Posted by dangimgd:


    You have a very good point. But there is also advantage for the team that was just fouled. If the punt was muffed & kicking team recovers it,they can decline that penalty & get the ball in favorable field position. So fouling team may get penalized more by committing the foul.



    Returner could fumble.

    On offense, if there is a hold on the offense the play continues and it could result in an interception for the defense.   
     
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    Posted: Jan. 14, 2017 - 7:02 PM ET #9

    Ok, thanks for the responses...but how often do turnovers actually occur as a percentage?

    Isnt this number very low? In that case, is it worth it at the expense of speeding up the game and useless injuries?
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    Ok, thanks for the responses...but how often do turnovers actually occur as a percentage?

    Isnt this number very low? In that case, is it worth it at the expense of speeding up the game and useless injuries?
     
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    Agree with everyone saying that a turnover could occur and the team that is fouled has the option to accept or decline the penalty.  Makes perfect sense to me.

    And to answer the OP, there is also delayed penalties in hockey.  If a team commits a penalty without the puck then the play does not stop until they touch the puck.  This allows the team that has been fouled to pull the goalie and get a 6th skater on the ice to try and score before the opposing team touches the puck to stop the play.  Just gives an extra little advantage to the team that has been fouled to continue the play where they may have had a scoring chance.  Obviously the team getting the penalty can't take a shot at the empty net but every so often a bad pass or bounce can result in the team that's about to get a power play putting the puck into their own empty net.
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    Agree with everyone saying that a turnover could occur and the team that is fouled has the option to accept or decline the penalty.  Makes perfect sense to me.

    And to answer the OP, there is also delayed penalties in hockey.  If a team commits a penalty without the puck then the play does not stop until they touch the puck.  This allows the team that has been fouled to pull the goalie and get a 6th skater on the ice to try and score before the opposing team touches the puck to stop the play.  Just gives an extra little advantage to the team that has been fouled to continue the play where they may have had a scoring chance.  Obviously the team getting the penalty can't take a shot at the empty net but every so often a bad pass or bounce can result in the team that's about to get a power play putting the puck into their own empty net.
     
     
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    In OP example of basketball. It is not like after the guy was fouled they let the play continue because the guy who has the ball "could" travel and offset the penalty. That is essentially what we are allowing and it sounds ridiculous in the basketball example.

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    Returner could fumble.

    On offense, if there is a hold on the offense the play continues and it could result in an interception for the defense.   
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    In OP example of basketball. It is not like after the guy was fouled they let the play continue because the guy who has the ball "could" travel and offset the penalty. That is essentially what we are allowing and it sounds ridiculous in the basketball example.

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    Returner could fumble.

    On offense, if there is a hold on the offense the play continues and it could result in an interception for the defense.   
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