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    Are You Patriot Bettors THAT Confident in Tom Brady?

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    sammyRN
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2013 - 12:14 PM ET #1

    Have you seen what this guy has done in BIG playoff games since his 2004 season when he last won a superbowl?  lets review this:
    2005:  lost @ denver in divisional round and went 1 TD / 2 INTS (threw a INT on his last possession!)
    2006: lost @ colts in afc championship and went 1 TD / 1 INTS (that INT was on the final possession!!)
    2007: won vs chargers in AFC championship but: threw 3 frickin INTS!
    2007: lost vs giants in superbowl and threw 1 freaking TD with that so called greatest offense in nfl history BS  / 1 fumble lost /  sacked 5 times / and went 3 AND OUT on the final possession!
    2009: lost vs RAVENS in wild card round and: 2 TDS /  3 INTS / 1 fumble loss that led to a raven TD
    2010:  choked his ass off in divisional round vs jets and LOST.  dont think so?  lets look that that important drive in the 4th quarter of that game when brady got the ball for the first time in the 4th quarter and needed to bring the pats back.  ok, 5 mins to go and on the jets 31 yard line.  ok, brady sack, brady incomplete pass, then another brady incomplete pass, then a pats punt, then ANOTHER BRADY LOSS!
    2011: went 0 TDS / 2 INTS vs ravens in afc championship and had no business winning that game.  disagree?  did you guys see his pathetic safety in the superbowl 2 weeks later vs giants when he threw out of the end zone to no receiver in the area?  did tome brady lead his team back in that game?  no

    see, its quite simple.  tom brady has been the recipient of elite offensive lines throughout his career.  he literally stands still in the pocket and throws accurate passes.  he looks like a jackass when he throws on the run.  BUT, if you give any QB in the NFL that amount of time and protection that tom brady has in the pocket, then they will have the same exact success he has.  yes, brady has put together incredible drives late in games, but he hasnt done this in 8 years.  he is not the same clutch QB he used to be and i just illustrated that with his recent playoff record.  if you disrupt his protection and his timing, he is not the same QB.  if you are betting on new england, you are not betting on tom brady.   you are betting on the patriot offensive line.  and just like brady, the patriot O line chokes in pressure games.  dont think so?  lets use an example.  the 2009 and 2010 patriot offensive lines was their best lines they have had in a long time.  i mean they allowed only 18 sacks for the year in 2009 and 25 sacks for the year in 2010! and what happened to those elite O lines?  3 sacks vs ravens in that wild card playoff game and pressured and hit constantly in that game that led to a pathetic brady performance.  anybody remember ray lewis penetrating up the middle of that O line and slamming brady down?  2010?  sacked 5 times vs the jets and shut down!

    the ravens are a defense that knows how to exploit brady's weaknesses.  suggs, lewis, ngata, reed,,,they know how to get after this guy.  

    THE RAVENS WILL WIN THIS GAME GUYS!!!!
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    Have you seen what this guy has done in BIG playoff games since his 2004 season when he last won a superbowl?  lets review this:
    2005:  lost @ denver in divisional round and went 1 TD / 2 INTS (threw a INT on his last possession!)
    2006: lost @ colts in afc championship and went 1 TD / 1 INTS (that INT was on the final possession!!)
    2007: won vs chargers in AFC championship but: threw 3 frickin INTS!
    2007: lost vs giants in superbowl and threw 1 freaking TD with that so called greatest offense in nfl history BS  / 1 fumble lost /  sacked 5 times / and went 3 AND OUT on the final possession!
    2009: lost vs RAVENS in wild card round and: 2 TDS /  3 INTS / 1 fumble loss that led to a raven TD
    2010:  choked his ass off in divisional round vs jets and LOST.  dont think so?  lets look that that important drive in the 4th quarter of that game when brady got the ball for the first time in the 4th quarter and needed to bring the pats back.  ok, 5 mins to go and on the jets 31 yard line.  ok, brady sack, brady incomplete pass, then another brady incomplete pass, then a pats punt, then ANOTHER BRADY LOSS!
    2011: went 0 TDS / 2 INTS vs ravens in afc championship and had no business winning that game.  disagree?  did you guys see his pathetic safety in the superbowl 2 weeks later vs giants when he threw out of the end zone to no receiver in the area?  did tome brady lead his team back in that game?  no

    see, its quite simple.  tom brady has been the recipient of elite offensive lines throughout his career.  he literally stands still in the pocket and throws accurate passes.  he looks like a jackass when he throws on the run.  BUT, if you give any QB in the NFL that amount of time and protection that tom brady has in the pocket, then they will have the same exact success he has.  yes, brady has put together incredible drives late in games, but he hasnt done this in 8 years.  he is not the same clutch QB he used to be and i just illustrated that with his recent playoff record.  if you disrupt his protection and his timing, he is not the same QB.  if you are betting on new england, you are not betting on tom brady.   you are betting on the patriot offensive line.  and just like brady, the patriot O line chokes in pressure games.  dont think so?  lets use an example.  the 2009 and 2010 patriot offensive lines was their best lines they have had in a long time.  i mean they allowed only 18 sacks for the year in 2009 and 25 sacks for the year in 2010! and what happened to those elite O lines?  3 sacks vs ravens in that wild card playoff game and pressured and hit constantly in that game that led to a pathetic brady performance.  anybody remember ray lewis penetrating up the middle of that O line and slamming brady down?  2010?  sacked 5 times vs the jets and shut down!

    the ravens are a defense that knows how to exploit brady's weaknesses.  suggs, lewis, ngata, reed,,,they know how to get after this guy.  

    THE RAVENS WILL WIN THIS GAME GUYS!!!!
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2013 - 12:18 PM ET #2

    Ummmm..no...but great research, and writeup......BOL with your pick
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    Ummmm..no...but great research, and writeup......BOL with your pick
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2013 - 12:23 PM ET #3

    ya Brady is that dude he rolls today but nice writeup and gl
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    ya Brady is that dude he rolls today but nice writeup and gl
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2013 - 12:25 PM ET #4

    He didn't choke to the SB last year.  Wasn't his fault the defense couldn't stop Eli with 2mins left. 

    The guy has been money even when the teams defense is bottom 5. 
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    He didn't choke to the SB last year.  Wasn't his fault the defense couldn't stop Eli with 2mins left. 

    The guy has been money even when the teams defense is bottom 5. 
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2013 - 12:42 PM ET #5

    Quote Originally Posted by calicombo:

    He didn't choke to the SB last year.  Wasn't his fault the defense couldn't stop Eli with 2mins left. 

    The guy has been money even when the teams defense is bottom 5. 

    Interesting take but I'd have to disagree with that.

    Last years SB Pats powerful offense scored a patheitc 17 pts.

    Did you know just 1 team since the league changed the rules and opened-up the passing game in 1978 won the SB with such a pathetic offensive performance.

    And quess who that was, the 2007 Giants who happened to win the SB scoring the fewest points of any SB winner, and of coarse we all know who they beat that day scoring a pathetic 14 points.

    Teams don't win SB'S scoring 14 or 17 pts, for a high-powered offense, yes that's a choke job.................................................

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    Quote Originally Posted by calicombo:

    He didn't choke to the SB last year.  Wasn't his fault the defense couldn't stop Eli with 2mins left. 

    The guy has been money even when the teams defense is bottom 5. 

    Interesting take but I'd have to disagree with that.

    Last years SB Pats powerful offense scored a patheitc 17 pts.

    Did you know just 1 team since the league changed the rules and opened-up the passing game in 1978 won the SB with such a pathetic offensive performance.

    And quess who that was, the 2007 Giants who happened to win the SB scoring the fewest points of any SB winner, and of coarse we all know who they beat that day scoring a pathetic 14 points.

    Teams don't win SB'S scoring 14 or 17 pts, for a high-powered offense, yes that's a choke job.................................................

     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2013 - 12:51 PM ET #6

    Well Said CLAW!!
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2013 - 1:00 PM ET #7

    Taking Balt +8.5 myself
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2013 - 1:03 PM ET #8

    Sammy great write up but here is something to ponder.

    RETURN ENGAGEMENT: This Sunday, NEW ENGLAND and BALTIMORE meet in a rematch of last year’s AFC Championship Game when the Patriots claimed a 23-20 victory to advance to Super Bowl XLVI. This weekend’s matchup marks the seventh time two teams have faced off in the AFL/AFC Championship in back-to-back seasons and the first time since the 1986 and 1987 seasons (Denver-Cleveland).

    If the Patriots beat the Ravens, clubs who defeated the same opponent in the previous year’s AFC Championship Game will improve to 6-1 all-time.

     

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    Sammy great write up but here is something to ponder.

    RETURN ENGAGEMENT: This Sunday, NEW ENGLAND and BALTIMORE meet in a rematch of last year’s AFC Championship Game when the Patriots claimed a 23-20 victory to advance to Super Bowl XLVI. This weekend’s matchup marks the seventh time two teams have faced off in the AFL/AFC Championship in back-to-back seasons and the first time since the 1986 and 1987 seasons (Denver-Cleveland).

    If the Patriots beat the Ravens, clubs who defeated the same opponent in the previous year’s AFC Championship Game will improve to 6-1 all-time.

     

     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2013 - 1:08 PM ET #9

    oneunder:  very interesting, had no idea about that trend.  IMO it will be 6-2 all time by 10pm tonight, but good find on that!
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    oneunder:  very interesting, had no idea about that trend.  IMO it will be 6-2 all time by 10pm tonight, but good find on that!
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2013 - 1:12 PM ET #10

    Very good points and I am in agreement with you in term of the line +9 Ravens..

    I don't think they can beat Pats though because they have play way too many plays vs Colts and the vs Denver in think air and OT...

    By 4th quarter I don't know if their D Fence can hang !!!

    But very good points. Everyone assumes Brady=Clutch..Guess not so much
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    Very good points and I am in agreement with you in term of the line +9 Ravens..

    I don't think they can beat Pats though because they have play way too many plays vs Colts and the vs Denver in think air and OT...

    By 4th quarter I don't know if their D Fence can hang !!!

    But very good points. Everyone assumes Brady=Clutch..Guess not so much
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2013 - 1:12 PM ET #11

     either way one of us is cashing....GLB
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    Quote Originally Posted by calicombo:

    He didn't choke to the SB last year.  Wasn't his fault the defense couldn't stop Eli with 2mins left. 

    The guy has been money even when the teams defense is bottom 5. 

    When your team is built on offense and you are not scoring your average points and rely on your defense to win the game for you then yes, you deserve to lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calicombo:

    He didn't choke to the SB last year.  Wasn't his fault the defense couldn't stop Eli with 2mins left. 

    The guy has been money even when the teams defense is bottom 5. 

    When your team is built on offense and you are not scoring your average points and rely on your defense to win the game for you then yes, you deserve to lose.

     
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    Patriots Win & Cover Best of Luck today....
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2013 - 1:23 PM ET #14

    Nice Write up..Brady can definately make some mistakes...they usually happen early in the game.....(remember the Safety in the SuperBowl).....but his overall avg=WINNER
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    Nice Write up..Brady can definately make some mistakes...they usually happen early in the game.....(remember the Safety in the SuperBowl).....but his overall avg=WINNER
     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2013 - 1:36 PM ET #15

    HOME AND AWAY: In the Divisional Playoffs, NEW ENGLAND (13-4, AFC No. 2 seed) defeated Houston 41-28, while BALTIMORE (12-6, AFC No. 4 seed) edged top-seeded Denver 38-35 in double overtime.

    The Patriots have a 14-3 (.824) all-time record at home during the playoffs, the highest winning percentage in postseason history (minimum 10 games), whereas the Ravens have an 8-5 (.615) all-time road record in the postseason, the highest winning percentage in postseason history (minimum 10 games).

     

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    HOME AND AWAY: In the Divisional Playoffs, NEW ENGLAND (13-4, AFC No. 2 seed) defeated Houston 41-28, while BALTIMORE (12-6, AFC No. 4 seed) edged top-seeded Denver 38-35 in double overtime.

    The Patriots have a 14-3 (.824) all-time record at home during the playoffs, the highest winning percentage in postseason history (minimum 10 games), whereas the Ravens have an 8-5 (.615) all-time road record in the postseason, the highest winning percentage in postseason history (minimum 10 games).

     

     
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    [Quote: Originally Posted by oneunder]

    HOME AND AWAY: In the Divisional Playoffs, NEW ENGLAND (13-4, AFC No. 2 seed) defeated Houston 41-28, while BALTIMORE (12-6, AFC No. 4 seed) edged top-seeded Denver 38-35 in double overtime.

    The Patriots have a 14-3 (.824) all-time record at home during the playoffs, the highest winning percentage in postseason history (minimum 10 games), whereas the Ravens have an 8-5 (.615) all-time road record in the postseason, the highest winning percentage in postseason history (minimum 10 games).

     

    let me just double check this.  your saying the ravens have the highest road winning % in playoff history?
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    HOME AND AWAY: In the Divisional Playoffs, NEW ENGLAND (13-4, AFC No. 2 seed) defeated Houston 41-28, while BALTIMORE (12-6, AFC No. 4 seed) edged top-seeded Denver 38-35 in double overtime.

    The Patriots have a 14-3 (.824) all-time record at home during the playoffs, the highest winning percentage in postseason history (minimum 10 games), whereas the Ravens have an 8-5 (.615) all-time road record in the postseason, the highest winning percentage in postseason history (minimum 10 games).

     

    let me just double check this.  your saying the ravens have the highest road winning % in playoff history?
     
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    Best QB ever....................
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    Yes thats correct 

     

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    Brady goes DOWN......I hope
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    Best road winning % Post Season

    Team           Win %

    Balt 8-5       .615

    NE 7-9        .438

    GB 10-13    .435

    Pitt 7-10     .412

    Jets 7-10    .412

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    Team           Win %

    Balt 8-5       .615

    NE 7-9        .438

    GB 10-13    .435

    Pitt 7-10     .412

    Jets 7-10    .412

     
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    Posted: Jan. 20, 2013 - 1:56 PM ET #23

    [Quote: Originally Posted by oneunder]

    Yes thats correct 


    thank you for pointing this out.  i had no idea of this either.  good luck to you bro  

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    Yes thats correct 


    thank you for pointing this out.  i had no idea of this either.  good luck to you bro  

     
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    You as well Sammy, Thanks for a great thread. One of us is winning today...GL bro
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    The points are telling you to take the ravens but the pats is the play today! Gl to all
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