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Quote Originally Posted by StocktonShorts:



Don't work at a casino/hotel, I live in the real world...a place you evidently left a while ago.

Sports doesn't live in the matrix. Its real people, with zero connection to Vegas, playing a real game and the outcome isn't influenced or decided in advanced by Vegas. The people playing the game have all the influence over the outcomes with their play.

Nothing else.

Vegas doesn't have the Back to the Future II sports book and knows the future. They have smart people that make educated guesses on some factors and get morons that think there is some kind of pattern to it to bite and give them money. They have zero, none, no, nada, zilch control over any outcome. If you honestly, in your heart, believe they do then you need to stop gambling or just blow your brains out now because you are a moron/crazy.

I find this perspective fascinating in just how WRONG it is, in my opinion.  I liken it to personal bias, in the same realm that religious "faith" is really a bias.  Most people with their own personal bias, in whatever it is, simply cannot contemplate the other person's perspective.  And, as we see here, resort to calling the other person names.  Instead of legitimately considering the other person's perspective, he just resorts to name-calling.

This goes on with everything in the US these days.  If you side with Rush Limbaugh, you cannot consider the liberal point of view and resort to name-calling.  If you side with Hillary Clinton, you cannot legitimately consider Rush Limbaugh's point of view and resort to name-calling.  Ad nauseum.

What we as citizens, and we as handicappers, should do is consider all points of view. Gather all the information we can, then develop a reasonable assumption of what the outcome will be.  Or, more accurately, what the truth IS.

I consider those of you who cannot contemplate that maybe, just maybe, there might be, at times, a "man behind the curtain" (let's call it an unseen force) that controls things, members of the Flat-Earth Society.  You will eventually be proven wrong, but what do you care?  You will never get in a boat and sail toward the horizons anyway. You leave that important and dangerous work to those of us who have boats and are not afraid to sail.

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I find this perspective fascinating in just how WRONG it is, in my opinion.  I liken it to personal bias, in the same realm that religious "faith" is really a bias.  Most people with their own personal bias, in whatever it is, simply cannot contemplate the other person's perspective.  And, as we see here, resort to calling the other person names.  Instead of legitimately considering the other person's perspective, he just resorts to name-calling.

This goes on with everything in the US these days.  If you side with Rush Limbaugh, you cannot consider the liberal point of view and resort to name-calling.  If you side with Hillary Clinton, you cannot legitimately consider Rush Limbaugh's point of view and resort to name-calling.  Ad nauseum.

What we as citizens, and we as handicappers, should do is consider all points of view. Gather all the information we can, then develop a reasonable assumption of what the outcome will be.  Or, more accurately, what the truth IS.

I consider those of you who cannot contemplate that maybe, just maybe, there might be, at times, a "man behind the curtain" (let's call it an unseen force) that controls things, members of the Flat-Earth Society.  You will eventually be proven wrong, but what do you care?  You will never get in a boat and sail toward the horizons anyway. You leave that important and dangerous work to those of us who have boats and are not afraid to sail.

We are the music makers and we are the dreamers of dreams - Willy Wonka 


If you think Vegas controls outcomes of sports, then its not an opinion its lunacy. Like saying Aliens run our government style of lunacy

If you want to say games are fixed and players are in on it, then say it, but everyone in this post just alludes to it and then gets defensive. "Oh well in game 3 they played different" and "well pregame they hit everything but during the game they dont anymore and it goes under"

If you really believe that theres some kind of grand conspiracy where Vegas controls the outcome of games then you're an idiot. Its not a different opinion, its stupidity. 

 
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Lol. Also PayPal him a special request fee.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by StocktonShorts:



Don't work at a casino/hotel, I live in the real world...a place you evidently left a while ago.

Sports doesn't live in the matrix. Its real people, with zero connection to Vegas, playing a real game and the outcome isn't influenced or decided in advanced by Vegas. The people playing the game have all the influence over the outcomes with their play.

Nothing else.

Vegas doesn't have the Back to the Future II sports book and knows the future. They have smart people that make educated guesses on some factors and get morons that think there is some kind of pattern to it to bite and give them money. They have zero, none, no, nada, zilch control over any outcome. If you honestly, in your heart, believe they do then you need to stop gambling or just blow your brains out now because you are a moron/crazy.
thanks. you just proved my point.
you see, i treat all who visit my thread with positive or negative attitude - with respect. always did. always will. you know why? because that is the way i treat people who take their time and come here to respond. so, i will not change my ways now but you did prove a basic psychological assumption that people who at their childhood were mistreated and called names - will carry the trauma for their whole life and will address strangers with disrespect and by name calling. yes - i am crazy. my wife also says so.
but - if you call a moron someone because of his convictions that made him and his followers tremendous amounts of money - you either have to produce better record than me or admit that by calling me a moron you admit that even a moron is more able than you
 
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Quote Originally Posted by phixer:

2003 white paper on gambling showed that gambling industry is equal to a cigarette industry at 365 billion dollars a year. that was 1 billion dollars a day 12 years ago. so if the sports betting is 18% of all the gambling as it was then - that would equal to 180,000,000 dollars a day 12 years ago. i believe online gambling in general and sports betting in particular has grown since and by a lot.
so, do you really think that kind of money is not controlled? really?  come on. really?
stocktonshorts- really?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by gsw408:

I believe offshore gambling rakes in more profits than vegas. Watch game 3 of houston and the warriors in the finals and it's like night and day. The way they play and execute is significantly different.



Fwiw, Kerr threw in a monkey wrench by putting green and iggy on harden game 3. We might have not known but the books might have. Call it a fix or good strategy but either way the public took a beating.
 
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This is my favorite StocktonSports quote

"Sports doesn't live in the matrix. Its real people, with zero connection to Vegas"

I'm headed in NBA Summer League, in Vegas, in a month -- total coincidence the league has any connections there -- pretty sure this is a one time fluke -- no other leagues with contact in that city either I am certain

https://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2014/11/18/Leagues-and-Governing-Bodies/NHL.aspx

https://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/06/report-nba-in-negotiations-with-global-sports-betting-companies-to-partner-in-europe/

https://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/12286521/mlb-commissioner-rob-manfred-says-legalized-sports-betting-needs-fresh-consideration

Nothing to see here -- please move along
 
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Posted: #33
Quote Originally Posted by phixer:

stocktonshorts- really?


Gambling is good business...because people are idiots. They make money off of idiots.

What you're suggesting is that Steph Curry had a bad shooting night because Vegas wanted him to, and that he'll bounce back in Game 3 because it helps gamblers.

If Vegas was only out there to control money, then how do you have a winning record? Why isn't everyone broke? Of all the money that moves through gambling books per day, how much is actual profit? Not as much as you'd think. They make money off the top,  they don't need to rig anything because morons like you will give it to them.

Please explain to me exactly how Vegas fixes games. Please, lay it out step by step so we can all see how logical it is. Tell me how they're going to control how LeBron plays in game 3 and how many 3's Steph hits.

Step by step, you tell me exactly how they control the outcome of a game. I dare you, any of you losers, put down in detail step by step HOW Vegas controls a games outcome.

None of you will, because you all know how ridiculous it would actually sound.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by StocktonShorts:



If you think Vegas controls outcomes of sports, then its not an opinion its lunacy. Like saying Aliens run our government style of lunacy

If you want to say games are fixed and players are in on it, then say it, but everyone in this post just alludes to it and then gets defensive. "Oh well in game 3 they played different" and "well pregame they hit everything but during the game they dont anymore and it goes under"

If you really believe that theres some kind of grand conspiracy where Vegas controls the outcome of games then you're an idiot. Its not a different opinion, its stupidity. 


Then I am stupid.  But I'm laughing all the way to the bank.  Good luck to you in your future endeavours.  I would wager that betting is not your vocation.

There is no "grand conspiracy" as you call it.  Unless of course you bother to consider that the oddsmakers are much better at doing their jobs than you are at catching them at it.  Odds are set the way they are for a reason that is advantageous to the house.  Sports handicapping, or guessing in your case, is NOT a coin flip.  As for Phixing games, no way are all games manipulated.  But I promise you, some are  
 
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Posted: #35
Easy.....approach the ref's, tell them your goal, offer them large sum of money, they execute it.

Many times charges / blocks can be called either way, many times a foul isn't really a foul, or a no-call should have been a foul, etc.  Over the course of a game, those calls matter and do dictate a game.
 
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Quote Originally Posted by CalBear2009:

Easy.....approach the ref's, tell them your goal, offer them large sum of money, they execute it.

Many times charges / blocks can be called either way, many times a foul isn't really a foul, or a no-call should have been a foul, etc.  Over the course of a game, those calls matter and do dictate a game.

Really? So what if Steph Curry goes off for 10 straight 3's? Refs can't control that. What if LeBron can't any free throws that night?

Ever see Donaghys attempts at fixing games? Wasn't very successful. Hell Boston College PLAYERS were bought by Mobsters and even they had a losing record against the spread. 

You can't fix a game. Too many variables. You'd need EVERYONE to agree to it or you couldn't control it.

Vegas doesn't need to fix games. People give them their money. They make money regardless of the actual outcome. People who thinks games are rigged are losers. 


 
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Stockton - Donaghy never tried to fix anything.  He just had inside information on officiating teams, knew their biases, and passed along his info to people who made money off it.

When you want to argue with people, and sound credible, be sure to have your facts straight.

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Posted: #38
Players know what the spread is and they will "entertain" the viewers and play accordingly to what point differential needs to be. Curry's shot selection and chucking cost them the game and I believe he was told to do so by the "imaginary hand". 
 
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Quote Originally Posted by gsw408:

Players know what the spread is and they will "entertain" the viewers and play accordingly to what point differential needs to be. Curry's shot selection and chucking cost them the game and I believe he was told to do so by the "imaginary hand". 

Steph Curry purposefully missed shots...for what gain? Whats his motivation to miss shots? He has all the money he'll ever need for 3 lifetimes....was he doing it just to be nice? For fun? 

Your claim is Steph Curry intentionally missed shots because of the point spread and/or O/U.....why in the darn would he ever do that or even care?
 
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Steph Curry purposefully missed shots...for what gain? Whats his motivation to miss shots? He has all the money he'll ever need for 3 lifetimes....was he doing it just to be nice? For fun? 

Your claim is Steph Curry intentionally missed shots because of the point spread and/or O/U.....why in the darn would he ever do that or even care?

You can never have enough money. He attempted 15 3's. He has never attempted that many 3's. Security for yourself or even for your loved ones can be a factor. A billion/millions is involved in a single NBA final game that includes vegas and offshore and you're telling me that amount of money is going to be given away because majority had warriors winning. When you watch the warriors game how in the world do neither klay or curry shoot well. It's only one or the other. Why does Green throw those lob passes where no one in the world would catch instead of driving harder to the bucket and getting the opponent to commit to you before passing? Why did Iggy throw that saving out of bounds pass right in between curry legs or how did curry even manage not to catch that and win the game? 
 
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How many of you have a posted record showing profit this season? Without it any theory is just noise
 
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Quote Originally Posted by gsw408:


You can never have enough money. He attempted 15 3's. He has never attempted that many 3's. Security for yourself or even for your loved ones can be a factor. A billion/millions is involved in a single NBA final game that includes vegas and offshore and you're telling me that amount of money is going to be given away because majority had warriors winning. When you watch the warriors game how in the world do neither klay or curry shoot well. It's only one or the other. Why does Green throw those lob passes where no one in the world would catch instead of driving harder to the bucket and getting the opponent to commit to you before passing? Why did Iggy throw that saving out of bounds pass right in between curry legs or how did curry even manage not to catch that and win the game? 


So you're claiming Game 2 was fixed by the books and Steph Curry was in on it? 

You've lost all touch with reality.

So do all the legal and illegal books get together before each game and call Stephs Agent? or Steph himself? I mean theres 100's if not 1000's of books out there, so how do they all chip on the payments to steph? is it split up evenly? Do they have conference calls to figure out who to pay off next game or what?

I mean what if in Vegas people are betting heavy on GS but in Costa Rica they're heavy on Cavs? How do they decide who to pay off then?

You people are embarrassing. Losers in every letter of the word.


 
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Posted: #43
Just curious how your record is Stockton this playoffs? We already know Phixer's  
 
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He will have to make one up first
 
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Quote Originally Posted by bobmaloogatimesfive:

Phixer you have been around for awhile -- I can't remember the last time I saw one game in a series move the price 620 cents -- do you have any examples of that happening we can reference for this series?

I don't know the answer, but how does this compare to a pretty similar situation with the GSW/MEM series?
 
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I would love to hear StockstonShorts reasoning behind Tony Brothers missed foul on Lebron near the end of the game that was directly in front of him.  Watch the replay, he was staring directly at the play.  Missed the travel on Lebron, missed the extremely blatant foul by Iggy.  Maybe he just canceled them out and said play on?
 
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Quote Originally Posted by dimndimn:

I would love to hear StockstonShorts reasoning behind Tony Brothers missed foul on Lebron near the end of the game that was directly in front of him.  Watch the replay, he was staring directly at the play.  Missed the travel on Lebron, missed the extremely blatant foul by Iggy.  Maybe he just canceled them out and said play on?


It was a bad no call. Happens all game every game. Human error. No different from Speights missing a dunk, or LeBron splitting free throws. Humans make mistakes. 

If you're saying Brothers was on the take then what was he on the take for? If he was in the fix for the Warriors, he would've called a travel. If he was told to make sure Cavs cover he would've called a foul. If he was told to make it over then he would've called a foul...if he was told make it go under he would've called a travel. So what advantage did any of that give the "Game is rigged by Vegas" theory? Refs screw up. It happens.

Not only that but not one of you ACTUALLY believes that Vegas controls the game, because if you did...if you actually thought games were predetermined and not on the up and up and you STILL bet on those game, you'd be the dumbest guy on earth. Like fat people playing the claw machine at walmart dumb.

So if the games are controlled by Vegas, then why in the world would you bet on them? 
 
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This game 3 is just like gsw/houston game 3. gsw opened up as -1 fav and it jumped to houston -1. gsw covers. Now cavs open up as -1 and it jumps to gsw -1. Let's see who covers this. 
 
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It was a bad no call. Happens all game every game. Human error. No different from Speights missing a dunk, or LeBron splitting free throws. Humans make mistakes. 

If you're saying Brothers was on the take then what was he on the take for? If he was in the fix for the Warriors, he would've called a travel. If he was told to make sure Cavs cover he would've called a foul. If he was told to make it over then he would've called a foul...if he was told make it go under he would've called a travel. So what advantage did any of that give the "Game is rigged by Vegas" theory? Refs screw up. It happens.

Not only that but not one of you ACTUALLY believes that Vegas controls the game, because if you did...if you actually thought games were predetermined and not on the up and up and you STILL bet on those game, you'd be the dumbest guy on earth. Like fat people playing the claw machine at walmart dumb.

So if the games are controlled by Vegas, then why in the world would you bet on them? 

Because they think they can beat the fix just like most gamblers think they can beat the odds.
 
 
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Those concencus sites are fake


I asbolutely agree! These online sites, (As well as consensus sites) cannot be trusted. I've even seen covers give fake stats and information way too many times. Although I still rely on covers for my stats, you have to know that they could be giving you inaccurate information.

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